How did pic related become successful?
He seems like the opposite to everything that roac-- err I mean Turks stand for.
He was successful because he drove off the imperialists of France, Greece, and Britain and he rallied the people under Turkish nationalism.
>>1377463
>desire a secular revolution since childhood
>acquire military fame
>istanbul is occupied and it creates power vacuum
>have foresight, "lel, you representatives are going to get captured in istanbul, come back to ankara you dumbasses"
>they get captured and sent to malta and etc
>power vacuum sucks his cock even better
>outplay everyone politically
>threats from outside enable him to take the lead and silence the opposition (happened 2-3 times when he needed it most)
>thank english senpai for giving victories
also it must be noted that many of the educated people were soldiers. they had modern education and were quite useful in this chaos.
>muh modernization
also laicism to shut up the extremists and rabble rousers
He saw the struggle between new communism and west, and played to both sides. He recieved weapons from russia to fight against english, while declaring that he was fighting to form a country with liberal capitalist economy.
>>1377463
But even in a pseudo race with a genetic pool as hopelessly polluted as the turks, there is still a chance for the birth of a prodigy that only appears once every thousand years.
in other words, he is the otto von bismarck of turks
>>1377911
Difference is Ataturk didn't fuck-up as badly as Bismarck.
The only beetle in a swarm of roaches.
>>1377463
That's because your image of Turks either comes from /pol/, or from Turkish communities in Europe. The exact same forces that supported and opposed him exist today, but the latter are strong now.
>>1377910
>Banning the Fez wasn't useful at all
Debatable.
I'm not sure whether he actually thought the clothing itself halted advancement, but in practical terms people being committed to that end even in clothing surely was useful. It was also a war against Ottoman symbols and not traditional things per se (head scarves, not hijab, were traditional clothing and AFAIK were never banned) so they had to go.
>>1377494
>this is what roaches actually believe
>>1378044
>literally beat the Greeks in a war
>literally cucked France and Britain
>literally created a new nation and united people under one flag and one "Turkish identity"
>nope these are all roach lies :^)
>>1377463
He was allowed to succeed by the Brits and France to de-Islamize Turkey. You think they were actually driven off by this Donmeh pretender?
He easily could be called one of the greatest politicians of the 20th century.
So just god-given genius I suppose.
>>1377910
The fez wasn't sacred, it was part of the material world. Ataturk wanted to create a sense of change, that Turkey had become a nation state unlike the earlier regime which was perceived as inept and antiquated.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpNOTZHrml8
>>1378205
I'm saying that acting like Turkey was some poor victim of imperialism, especially accusing fucking Greece, a country which had suffered fucking genocide at the hands of the Ottoman imperialists, of being imperialist is fucking retarded.
>>1379064
>Greece, a country which had suffered fucking genocide
Greece didn't suffer that. Greeks inside modern-day Turkey did.
"Turkey" itself was indeed a victim of imperialism, what the Ottoman keks did before doesn't matter for this instance. Greece literally invaded Turkey to take land for itself and their bong overlords, by whom they have been tricked to fight a proxy war in the first place.
>>1377463
He was a British-French puppet. Thats how he became successfull. The whole Turkic post-Ottoman history is big bullshit.
>>1377463
He didn't fall from the sky. There was a modernization attemp in Ottoman Empire in its last 70 years. He was just a little bit more radical.
>>1379064
>world war 1 is just over and lost
>greeks declare another war on turks,
>turks being turks win like turks and purge smyrna of impure
>someone in 2016 in a roman wax tablet board talks about it in greeks favour
>kek
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_(1919%E2%80%9322)
>>1379151
>Greece literally invaded Turkey to take land for itself and their bong overlords, by whom they have been tricked to fight a proxy war in the first place.
>implying turks weren't an invasive species in the first place
>>1378208
Genuinely curious, do you have anything to back this up?
>>1377463
He was a Jew.
