So Civilization VI's roster got leaked. /his/, what are your thoughts on the character list?
American - Teddy Roosevelt
Arabian - Saladin
Aztec - Montezuma
Brazilian - Pedro II
Celtic - Grace O'Malley
Chinese - Qin Shi Huang
Danish - Ragnar Lothbrok
Egyptian - Cleopatra
English - Victoria
French - Napoleon
German - Frederick the Great
Gran Colombian - Simon Bolivar
Greek - Alexander
Incan - Huayna Capar
Indian - Gandhi
Japanese - Mojo Tokimure
Malinese - Mansa Musa (Musa I of Mali)
Mongol - Genghis Khan
Ottoman - Suleiman
Persian - Cyrus
Polish - Mieszko I
Roman - Julius Caesar
Russian - Catherine
Sioux - Sitting Bull
Spanish - Isabelle I
Venetian - Enrico Dandolo
Zulu - Shaka
Teddy may not have been the best US president, but he was one of the most imperial ones.
Also, they need to eliminate all of the Native Americans to make room for multiple different Greek civs.
>>1352581
>Persian - Cyrus
>there will never ever be a Sassanid or Safavid civ
Needs more Medieval leaders. Why not William the Conqueror for the French and Charlemagne for the Germans and Henry V for the English and Alexander Nevsky for the Russians?
>>1352581
>Gran Columbian civilization
my only real complaint
So they cut Byzantines?
Well, better than having Theodora i guess.
Saladin is an interesting choice. What is "Arabian" supposed to represent in Civ? The Caliphate? Wasn't Saladin the Sultan of Egypt?
>>1352581
I'm actually pretty satisfied with it, generally, with the notable exception of Cleopatra (no fucking reason to have her, not even gender quotas when you have Hatshepshut).
I'm a bit dissapointed with the celtic leader because I don't fucking know who he is. I would've prefered Brennus or Vercingetorix. A literal who is still better than Boudica I guess.
>English - Victoria
No Margaret Thatcher?
>German - Frederick the Great
No Angela Merkel?
>Indian - Gandhi
No Indira Gandhi?
0/10
>>1352615
You have shit taste.
>>1352608
Also Grace O'Malley? Why?
>>1352616
I think he's joking about forced female characters
>>1352595
I have the same feeling but at this point I've gived up. Persia will always be the Achaemenid Empire in the western mind. The worst is that even with multiple leaders, it would be Darius and Cyrus.
At least they deserve the place for reasons apart from being popular.
I really wish we could at least get a savaran or a qizilbash as the unique unit and not immortals.
>>1352611
>I'm a bit dissapointed with the celtic leader because I don't fucking know who he is.
She* and there is your answer also. Also she was born in the 16th century not exactly the highpoint of Celtic civilization.
Really happy Enrico is returning. He's my favorite civ to play as. He's essentially just Israel.
Probably my favorite change is Roosevelt. I would have liked to have multiple leaders per civ, but if you're not going to do that, I'd at least like it if every game had a new leader. Washington may be a staple of the civ series, but there's been over 40 presidents, and many of those presidents are just as a famous and important as Roosevelt.
Don't like how so many other civs have the same boring old leaders. Suleiman in the Ottoman Empire, Cleopatra in Egypt, Napoleon in France, Julius Caesar in Rome, and Catherine in Russia. These five could really be replaced, I've seen them too much. Mehmet the Conqueror, King Tut, Louis XIV, Marcus Aurelius, and Stalin or Nicholas II would have all been way more interesting choices and would have really spiced up this bland roster.
Although Boudicca was a neat choice, I'm kind of glad she is getting removed. She really didn't do much and she lost big time. They replaced her with Grace O'Malley, who -- while much more interesting -- is still clearly there to decrease the gender gap and make the roster more diverse. I wouldn't go with the celts, and would make the gauls led by vercingetorix.
As always they try to shoehorn in as many women and non-Europeans as possible, which I suppose makes sense from a marketing perspective since you'd be surprised how many lefties and chicks play civ these days. At least they have Qin Shi Huang instead of Wu Zetian now. Also this >>1352599
>>1352633
>Stalin
Yeah, and Germany should use Hitler.
>>1352599
most people generally don't know medieval figures, at least not in the same way they know ancient and more modern figures
>>1352581
>3 non-civilizations
>no Byzantium, no Southeast Asia, no Mesopotamia
This rustles my autism.
A lot of this is just going back to their roots. You honestly can't expect other than Montezuma or Gandhi. Teddy and Victoria aren't such bad choices though. Hojo clan is an interesting choice for Japan.
>>1352649
So? If it causes them to look into a great and influential leader, that's a plus.
>>1352635
Funny you should say that. I showed my sister civ v one day and while she's not into history at all, she recognized Boudicca and decided to buy civ v herself so that she could play as her.
I get that Boudicca is kind of a woman warrior but I don't see much reason to idolize her. There's been far better women warriors.
>>1352606
Why? It could have another name but Bolivar deserves to be in the game, it was about time actually. (It's obvious they elected the leader first and the "civilization" after that like they did for the HRE in civ4).
Also it's always nice to have more modern leaders and more varied nations, since it's clear that "civilization" just means country in this game most of the time.
>>1352606
How much did it last? Like 20. Even Argentina was a better choice
>>1352666
Sure, but most people have never heard of Tomyris
>studied
Teddy
Cleopatra
Victoria
Napoleon
Frederick
Simon Bolivar
Alexander
Gandhi
Genghis Khan
Suleiman
Cyrus
Julius Caesar
Isabelle I
>recognized
Saladin
Montezuma
Pedro II
Catherine
Sitting Bull
Enrico
Shaka
>don't know
Grace
Qin Shi Huang
Ragnar
Huayna
Mojo Tokimure
Masna Musa
Mieszko
>>1352635
>shoehorn in as many women and non-Europeans as possible
>non-Europeans
There are 14 European, 4 Middle-Eastern, 3 East Asian, 3 Native American, 2 African, and one Indian
The last game had fucking Austria and Germany as separate civilizations.
>>1352655
>3
I only see one in the Sioux, in which case I agree. Considering that some of the first tecchs you discover within a few turns is the wheel and animal husbandry, it's immersion breaking when playing as a non Central or South American Civ.
>>1352581
>Russia - Catherine
I hope so.
>>1352684
>tfw no lewd catherine doujinshi
>>1352599
>William the Conqueror
>french
Good one
>>1352681
>The last game had fucking Austria and Germany as separate civilizations
And this is wrong how?
>>1352670
Yeah but you can't have Bolivar with Argentina. They should have just called it hispanic-american or something, they have celts instead of Ireland and arabs instead of Syria/Egypt after all.
>>1352686
There is a depressing lack of historical figures rule 34.
>>1352655
DLC senpai
>still no italy
ITS NOT FAIR. ITALY IS JUST AS WHITE AS ALL THE OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES. THEY DESERVE THEIR OWN CIV ALREADY.
>>1352683
Also Mongols. The Khanates should be what happens when barbarians take a city.
>>1352632
I checked it and, well, okay, maybe even Boudica was a better option. I though it would be some important medieval monarch from any of the celtic nations, since I know little about that period and place.
>>1352698
It has Julius Caesar. You know, Italy, back when it actually mattered.
>>1352683
>>1352683
>I only see one in the Sioux
Celts and Zulus. To be fair there were civilized Celtic-speakers, but the only time that 'Celtic' actually describes a real culture is before Romanization/Christianization when they were just a bunch of tribes and chiefdoms. Aside from her language Grace O'Malley was more Norman than Celtic. Pic related, one of her Norman-style castles.
>>1352625
>Queen Victoria was a man
>>1352581
They completly fucked up Isabelle I in Civ V so I'm hoping they get it straight this time.
IMHO they should make Felipe II but alright I guess
>>1352687
More French than Napoleon.
>>1352710
But Izzy in Civ V was 100% waifu material. Firaxis did nothing wrong.
>>1352655
It will be DLC, although I agree having at least a southeast asian civilization in the first rooster would've been better. I would have reserved the zulus for DLC since there's already a black african civilization that deserves it more and included Burma or Thailand.
>>1352681
Austria was in an expansion in the last game, not one of the initial civs. Outside of arguments for game flavor or mass appeal, it's difficult for me to justify Zulu or Mali or Aztecs or Sioux as societies that were important or influential in history when they left out the Byzantines, Assyrians, Italians, Sumerians, etc. So indeed I think they shoehorned in these civilizations for "cultural balance" reasons or w/e you want to call it.
>>1352581
>American - Teddy Roosevelt
Meh,at least an intereisting choice
>Arabian - Saladin
I dont get,but they have used this choice before
>Aztec - Montezuma
A classic
>Brazilian - Pedro II
Just to please the hue market
>Celtic - Grace O'Malley
No clue
>Chinese - Qin Shi Huang
Fine by me
>Danish - Ragnar Lothbrok
Meh,I dont care
>Egyptian - Cleopatra
A meme,but they needed more strong independent womyn,to not be stormed by nu males and feminists
>English - Victoria
She didnt do much,but it represents the peak of england so its fine,I guess
>French - Napoleon
A classic.I would like Louis XIV better
>German - Frederick the Great
Polish butthurt over 1000
>Gran Colombian - Simon Bolivar
Meme choice for a meme civ.Even Cuba would be a more interesting civ
>Greek - Alexander
A classic
>Incan - Huayna Capar
Fine
>Indian - Gandhi
A meme that became a classic
>Japanese - Mojo Tokimure
Dont know about him
>Malinese - Mansa Musa (Musa I of Mali)
They had to include some negros,to not be racist
>Mongol - Genghis Khan
Fine
>Ottoman - Suleiman
Meh,there are better choices
>Persian - Cyrus
There are better choices
>Polish - Mieszko I
Dont know about it
>Roman - Julius Caesar
Fine.I would like Augustus or Trajan tho
>Russian - Catherine
A meme
>Sioux - Sitting Bull
No fucking clue
>Spanish - Isabelle I
One of the few woman that are not meme choices
>Venetian - Enrico Dandolo
I liked it on Civ 5.It is fine I guess
>Zulu - Shaka
Another negro that is shoved for diversity quotas
>>1352688
They're the same people under different monarchies. My point is it's retarded to complain about shoehorning non-Europeans in a game that adds the same Europeans twice but would never add more than one Persian or Indian civilization.
>>1352708
At the very least, Zululand was a real, definitive kingdom and had a real culture. Not to mention they had real metalworking and organized armies and tactics.
As for the Celts, its more of a case of taking liberties. For the same reason you can't have all the different Greek city states being playable for being a clusterfuck of tiny holdings, the various cultures of the Isles are best rolled up into a single Civ.
>>1352681
>white americans are european
>>1352719
>>Zulu - Shaka
>Another negro that is shoved for diversity quotas
please kys yourself
> Ottomans are still Suleiman
Why live?
Will we ever see a Selim the Grim or Mehmet II led Ottoman Empire?
>>1352689
Obviously not with Bolivar,but Argentina arrived to some level of irrelevance unlike meme Colombia,that was just a chaotic mess full of civil wars
>>1352718
>Italians
They're already "included" with Rome and, now, Venice. Yeah I know it's not the same, but civ does that a lot. It's very unlikely we will ever get and Italian civilization for the same reason it's very unlikely we will get a Mexican one.
>>1352581
>Gran Colombian - Simon Bolivar
OH SHIT
>>1352710
>IMHO they should make Felipe II but alright I guess
Nah m8.As an Spaniard the Catholic kings were way more iconic and important.Maybe a dual leadership with Fernando wold be the greatest choice.
When will they add benjamin netanyahu and israel
>>1352719
Shaka was a staple of Civ before it even became a big name and had any right to having a diversity quota. Also one of the most bro leaders.
Which historical figure do you want the most, /his/? Would kill for Vlad.
>>1352608
>What is "Arabian" supposed to represent in Civ? The Caliphate? Wasn't Saladin the Sultan of Egypt?
Just arabs in general. It will likely be heavily inspired on civ4 arabian civilization that also had Saladin as it's leader.
By the way, although I couldn't care less, Saladin was not an ethnic arab.
>>1352720
>They're the same people under different monarchies
The habsburgs shaped Europe through 600 years straight,while Germany repressents mostly Prussia and modern Germany.Austria deserves more of a civ spot than the Zulus
>>1352719
bait or just a really stupid person
>>1352714
Isabelle 1 is no waifu, she is the strongest badest meanest smarter woman in power in history, not a little pretty girl with the voice of a teenager
>>1352738
Im not saying I dont like Isabelle, but they could alternate. I mean she was the leader in Civ V, Spain has more emblematic leaders and Felipe II was as great as they come.
>>1352723
>please kys yourself
Zulus are a meme to have some negros.Dont fool yourself
>>1352718
>it's difficult for me to justify Zulu or Mali or Aztecs or Sioux as societies that were important or influential in history when they left out the Byzantines, Assyrians, Italians, Sumerians, etc
I don't disagree with you. They do shoehorn in some crappy civilizations for diversity (they couldn't even go with good African ones like Ethiopia or Nubia?), but it's not a non-European thing. They shoehorn shitty European civs like Poland (Poland-Lithuania might have been acceptable, but not medieval Poland), Celts and Danes too, while leaving out some of the greatest Asian/American ones. I'm amazed they left out Southeast Asia entirely.
Maybe DLC will fix some of it.
kind of disappointed by how many repeated leaders there are. i hope they can justify it with distinct characterisation
>>1352749
>Isabelle 1 is no waifu, she is the strongest badest meanest smarter woman in power in history,
I don't understand. How does any of that mean she is not my waifu?
When will Civ implement giving the leaders tech-era-appropriate dress? And dynamic advisors that do the same, for that matter?
>>1352745
Neither of them deserve a spot. One is a tribe included as a meme and the other is a dynasty. Neither are civilizations.
>>1352676
>Mieszko
Potato here - he sort of united majority of what is Poland nowadays, converted to Christianity and BTFO'd Germans. His son(Bolesław) would be better pick imo.
>>1352757
>(they couldn't even go with good African ones like Ethiopia or Nubia?)
that should clue you in that it's not just for diversity's sake. it's a "what if" game fundamentally, not an awards ceremony for greatest empires
i agree though about southeast asia
>>1352752
They need diversity quotas,and Isabel is one of the few none meme female choices.Besides the only more emblemati leader would be Pelayo,and this is questionable
>>1352768
>deserve
what did he mean by this?
>>1352765
The problem is they look kind of silly, which is enough of an excuse for Firaxis to put effort into other things instead.
But I'm with you on immersion helping keeping me interested in the game. Just little things like calling leaders Chairman when they adopt Communism helps a lot with Immersion.
>>1352774
it's true that women only exist in the real world to satisfy diversity quotas
>>1352729
Yes, but that this "Great Colombia" thing was included to have Bolivar. Civilization clearly prefers to have a well known historical character over a relevant country. The obvious choice for Argentina would've been San Martín (he was already in Civilization IV: Colonization), but he can't compete with Bolívar even with a relatively more important nation behind him. This would not have happened if we were talking about european nations, of course, but things are how they are and I'm satisfied to have an hispanic american civilization at last and it's leader.
I really wish they actually mean it when they say they want to paint the whole globe and include Argentina in a DLC.
>>1352733
Now that I think about it, they probably include Venice despite its *relative* unimportance since that want a civilization geared towards building tall. Italy doesn't make sense for perks intended for tall empires.
>>1352774
Putted like that Im ok with this turn of events.
Gloria a Isabel la Catolica
>>1352764
She wasn't that in civ5, she sounded even a bit retarded t.b.h.
>>1352778
They could do it in a respectable manner. An Ancient-Era Teddy in Davy Crocket apparel would help keep the mood rather than having him comporting himself in a modern suit.
>No Byzantium
Why even make a civ game?
>>1352789
THAT'S MY WIFE YOU ARE TALKING ABOUT! REEEEEEEE!
>>1352748
tumblr calm down
>Most leaders are repeating memes or literally whos
I hope modding isn't going to be too difficult.
>>1352581
Ottomans should be Turks and Suleiman should be Alp Arslan for a change.
Alp Arslan is the true civilization leader-hero for Turks.
>>1352768
Austria and Austro-Hungary were pretty relevant.
>>1352797
i'm sorry did reddit just say something?
>>1352774
Not him, but I also wish we could have variety. I mean, no american is more emblematic than Washington but it's okay to have something different specially since they got rid of different leaders.
The diversity quotas is a better argument, although in this case Isabella deserves it anyways (and the fact that she's been the leader of Spain in all civs confirms it).
Imho if they're so fond of gender equality they should retake the feature in civ 2 (I think it was 2) that made all civilizations have two leaders, one male and one female.
>>1352780
>it's true that women only exist in the real world to satisfy diversity quotas
tumblr calm down.There is only a lack of female historical leaders,so they have to restore to memes like Cleopatra.Most of history has been pretty patriarcal
>>1352768
Civilization stoped meaning civilization in this game series way before Civ 5.
>>1352781
I would argue that Castro would have been a better leader,and would give more depht to the game.
>>1352822
>Castro better than Bolivar
Not even in your wet dreams, commie.
>Arab leader that's not ethnically Arabic
>Zulu's a civ that contained a few straw huts and a puddle to shit in at the peak of it's prosperity and it's in the game
>But not the Byzantine empire
>No Slavic empires
>Mehmed II not the leader of the Ottomans
Wow
>>1352719
>Trajan
OMG YES!!
How can you have a game about great historical leaders and civilizations without the greatest leader of the greatest civilization i.e Trajan?
>>1352581
It's fake dumbasses
>>1352812
What's worst is that, in the case of Egypt, there wasn't even a need to resort to memes. There's fucking Hatshepsut who, to make things worst, was already in civ4 as the sole leader of the civilization (in the original, the expansion included Rameses). There's no fucking reason to have a meme female character when you have non-meme female characters.
>>1352830
>Russia isn't slavic
>>1352810
>Imho if they're so fond of gender equality they should retake the feature in civ 2 (I think it was 2) that made all civilizations have two leaders, one male and one female.
For firaxis is just cheaper to create one.I mean,they have to restore to leaders like Cleopatra to fulfill the diversity quotas,imagine if they had to eliminate true emblematic leaders like Isabel.I would personally would love to have Pelayo,which would give a different bibe to the game,but it is not going to happen
>>1352792
Including Byzantium in civ 4 and 5 was a mistake to begin with. They're Rome. Multiple leaders please return.
>>1352836
>>1352581
>Polish - Mieszko I
reasonable choice, but meh
>>1352822
Too controversial worldwide. Also Cuba is not precisely relevant by itself.
I agree that it would be exciting Cuban civilization with Castro in Civ25 when nobody can be butthurt about cold war stuff anymore. We literally never had a caribbean civilization.
I'd like there to be multiple leader choices for the civs, making the civ slightly different based on the leader's policies.
>>1352850
so much this
>>1352846
How was Gran Colombia relevant, other than fucking Spain?
>>1352830
>No Slavic empires
>russia and poland aren't slavic
Also it's not the first time we have a leader from a different ethnicity leading a nation. Catherine was not ethnically russian.
>>1352832
>It's fake dumbasses
Its been 100% accurate so far. The fact both Qin Shi Huang and Mojo Tokimure were in the leak makes it credible enough, but it also listed Teddy and Cleo.
>Grace O'Malley
REEEEEEEEEE
GRACE WASN'T HER FUCKING NAME
HER NAME WAS GRÁINNE NÍ MHÁILLE OR IN ENGLISH GRAINNE O'MALLEY
LEAVING ASIDE THE FACT THAT SHE DIDN'T SPEAK ENGLISH
"GRACE" IS AN OUTDATED FALSE COGNATE
AGHHHHHHH GET IT RIGHT
>>1352859
it's pretty easy to see what has been confirmed or rumoured and then add it to a list with other made up entries. i'll wait until someone else from the list is released
>>1352857
>what does that have to do with the game though, reddit?
Because firaxis wants to have gender and racial quotas,for marketing reasons.
>>1352865
It's more entertaining too.
>>1352857
> for gameplay purposes
Tell me what gameplay purposes then.
>>1352884
The leak listed nine of the characters as DLC.
>>1352869
citation?
>>1352870
>Didn't Bolivar liberate most of the spanish south-america
As far as I know he just liberated Colombia,Panama,Ecuador and Venezuela,which was what conected south and central america.He was probably the most important liberator of South America,but his project ultimatly failed and lasted 20 years.
Fucking Spain is a big deal I guess,but he accomplished nothing in terms of civilization building,that is the pourpose of the game
>>1352862
If you're gunna get like this:
Saladin is an abbreviation
Lothbrok is more commonly written as Lodbrok
Frederick wasn't called "the Great", because that's English
Alexander is a modern version of the name
Mojo is an alternative to Hojo, which is the proper name of his lan
Genghis Khan wasn't his given name
>>1352882
because she can be made into an interesting character that has effects on how the civ plays, from historical agendas to leader era bonuses
>>1352889
I am with my phone,but they got lots of shit in civ 5 for lack of females
>>1352891
>he accomplished nothing in terms of civilization building
The same could be said about Alexander or Napoleon to some degree.
>>1352581
>Ragnar Lothbrok being one man as opposed to a conglomerate of various infamous and signifiant viking men
My /his/ is triggered
>>1352581
>Grace O'Malley
>STILL no Brian Boru civ
REEEEE
>>1352599
>William
>French
>Charlemagne
>German
>>1352899
>because she can be made into an interesting character that has effects on how the civ plays, from historical agendas to leader era bonuses
Explain how, considering she was a pretty irrelevant historical character at least in relation to her fame.
Also explain how it can't be said about Hatshepsut.
>>1352901
civ 5 had a lot of females though, and they didn't include females even when they had a good leader to use. that's not a citation.
>>1352903
>Alexander
Expanded hellenic culture everywhere,and created the most important library in history,well the most famous
> Napoleon
His civil code is pretty important m8
>>1352718
>it's difficult for me to justify Zulu or Mali or Aztecs or Sioux as societies that were important or influential in history
I get what you mean, but at the same time I wonder what would have happened if they had not been isolated from the rest of the world.
>>1352911
instead of wonder-building egypt you get one that attacks civs with armies weaker than her, and befriends civs with large armies. not all the details have been released
>>1352891
>he just liberated Colombia,Panama,Ecuador and Venezuela
>just
Also, don't forget Peru and Bolivia.
That his project for a united country failed doesn't mean he accomplished nothing in terms of civilization building.
>>1352918
I awlays thought trade should have a bigger impact on science, such that a people in an isolated region would develop much slower than civilizations communicating with the rest of the world, but that would really suck gameplay wise for the civilization stuck in the middle of nowhere.
>>1352917
But how is that "civilization building"? Bolivar is the paradigmatic south american liberator, how isn't that relevant? His legacy is all over the continent.
I mean, it's south america, not europe or the middle east. Can you ask more?
>>1352581
>no Bohemia
>>1352928
I think it would make exploration very interesting.
>>1352930
>how is that "civilization building"?
Expansions of culture are a part of civ.Both Alexander and Napoleon did it.Bolivar was just a succesful rebel,Well,at least is how I see it.
>>1352928
They kinda did that with tech trading in 4. If you were isolated you were fucked in terms of tech as everyone exchanged technology with everyone else to get ahead.
>>1352914
>civ 5 had a lot of females though
After Vanilla.Before Vanilla some people in the civ community,expressed that they were unconfortable with this choice.
>>1352909
>there will never be a Brian Boru lead celtic nation with a big combat bonus on coastal tiles and bonuses to attacks on cities on the same continent/island as your capital
>There will never be a Máel Sechnaill man Domnaill lead celtic nation with a huge defense bonus on hills and huge cultural buff when defeating enemies in your territory
>There will never be a celtic nation lead by Niall Noígíallach with a huge boost to population growth on "we love the king" days as
>There will never be a celtic nation lead by Fíann Cinna with bonuses to building wonders and unique buildings (crosses exalting himself) which give cultural bonuses and combat bonuses in cities with such a building
>>1352947
They did in BNW and BE too, but it really didn't have much of an impact past the first era.
>>1352941
By that definition, Taylor Swift is more relevant than Alexander.
Not even macedonia today keeps Alexander's cultural expansion. His cultural legacy in the territories he conquered completely died with the muslim conquests.
>>1352941
Bolivar expanded his ideas of a south america lead by the criollo liberal bourgeois, which was the foundation of south american states and a very important feature of the continent even today. The different south american republics were established according to the political and ideological conceptions of Bolívar.
That it's not a good thing doesn't mean it wasn't influential.
>>1352959
>His cultural legacy in the territories he conquered completely died
He founded tons of cities,libraries and the like.I would say that it is more civ oriented than Taylor Swift.
>>1352962
>it wasn't influential
Never claim this,for me Bolivar is a rebel,not much of a civ builder.Maybe you see history differently
>>1352951
but if this current list is anything to do by, they planned leaders during vanilla's development. regardless, there are no female units in the game. and again, they decided not to use female rulers when they could have picked more influential female rulers for civs.
also that's still not a citation. this is all speculative and not even good speculation at that
>>1352959
Alexander of Macedonia was little different from Ghengis of Mongolia desu. Both were barbarians burning down long lived civilizations and establishing an empire that quickly devolved into many competing states.
>>1352676
>not knowing Qin Shihuangdi
Did you even pay attention in 6th grade?
>>1352974
I agree. Actually Genghis did build a "lasting empire" it was his descendants (and not even his direct heir) who ruined it, as opposed to Alexander. To make it worst mongols have the excuse of retarded traditions while macedonians don't.
>>1352978
I doubt even chinese children get taught who the fuck he was.
>>1352862
t.Angry Scott
>>1352972
Most if not all the Alexandrias were cities that already existed and got renamed, man. The library of Alexandry was the work of Ptolemy and I can't think about any other that was built "by Alexander".
>>1352622
>isn't salivating in anticipation of hearing some redheaded qt3.14 purr Gaelic greetings and curses to you in the diplomacy screen
Wanna know how I found out you're a bottom bitching faggot?
>>1352999
Where I live, we got taught about East Asia in 6th grade.
>>1353000
Not him, but
>wanting some connacht bitch instead of a banterous Munster King or a stronk Ulster Warrior or even a crafty leinster jew
shit taste
>>1353007
Are you Canadian too?
>>1352676
>Ragnar
How do you not know Ragnar Lodbrok? It's like you don't even viking
>>1353015
no, i live in Maryland
Who else disappointed by no Khmer Empire?
>>1353018
I'd love it if he gets a Heathen Army buff at some point in the game which gives him a fuck tonne of units
>>1352711
We'll kek'd newfriend
>tfw some /his/ tier leaders
>more interesting people to read about
feels good
>>1353007
The first east asian event (chronologically) I got in school or highschool was the Opium Wars.
>>1352581
>Ottoman - Suleiman
dropped
>>1352676
This is really sad, even considering /his/.
>Japanese - Mojo Tokimure
Does anyone know who the fuck this even is??? I looked him up and nothing came up
>>1353063
The closest thing i got was Hōjō Tokimune
>>1353063
The dude who defeated the mongols. It's Hojo and not Mojo, like the other anon pointed out.
>>1353084
Thank you
Apache - Geronimo
Cuba - Fidel Castro
China - Guangwu of Han
Egypt - Cleopatra
Ethiopia - Haile Selassie
France - Napoleon
Gauls - Vercingetorix
Germany - Wilhelm I
Gran Colombia - Simon Bolivar
Greece - Pericles
Holy Roman Empire - Charlemagne
India - Gandhi
Israel - David
Japan - Oda Nobunaga
Mongolia - Genghis Khan
Ottoman - Mehmet the Conqueror
Papal States - Pope Alexander VI
Persia - Darius I
Romania - Vlad the Impaler
Rome - Julius Caesar
Russia - Josef Stalin
Spain - Isabelle I
United Kingdom - Edward VII
United States - George Bush
Zulu - Shaka
Rate my dream roster.
>>1353108
Change Japan to Meiji and maybe China to Mao and it'd be near perfection
>>1352581
>Greek - Alexander
WHY
>>1352910
>Napoleon
>French
>Alexander
>Greek
>Grace O'Malley
>Celtic
>Frederick the Great
>German
>>1353264
Because Alex has been the hubando of every Western ruler in recorded history. They touched themselves while thinking about him the same way Mongolians do today when thinking about Temujin.
>>1353108
based
>>1353108
Replace Caesar with Augustus
>>1353108
I think this is an excellent list... Especially because of Wilhelm the First. But Trajan should replace Caesar imo
>>1352615
>Thatcher
Bad. Far too controversial.
>Merkel
Irrelevant.
>Indira Gandhi
Comical
>>1352581
>Grace O'Malley
>Not Boudicca
0/10
>>1352637
Civ IV had Stalin, don't be a baby
>>1352743
The >for is unnecessary
>>1352581
>American - Teddy Roosevelt
Theodore wasn't native American
>Arabian - Saladin
Saladin was Kurdish
>Aztec - Montezuma
Why not Montezuma II?
>Brazilian - Pedro II
Brazil is a non country and Pedro II is irrevelant
>Celtic - Grace O'Malley
Why not Vercingetorix?
>Chinese - Qin Shi Huang
Manchus aren't Chinese
>Danish - Ragnar Lothbrok
Legendary ruler, fucking wew. Also he was Norse, not Danish, although they could at least make him Swedish.
>Egyptian - Cleopatra
She was a fucking Greek
>English - Victoria
HANOVER
>French - Napoleon
CORSICAN
>German - Frederick the Great
He got cucked to the point Russian Germabooism saved him, how can you say he was "great"?
>Gran Colombian - Simon Bolivar
Another irrevelant beaner
>Greek - Alexander
Say it with me! Say it loud! IT'S MACEDONIAN CHAP
>Indian - Gandhi
More nuke memes, great
>Japanese - Mojo Tokimure
Why not Tojo or Nobunaga?
>Malinese - Mansa Musa (Musa I of Mali)
WE
>Mongol - Genghis Khan
He was Turkic
>Ottoman - Suleiman
THE MAGNIFICENT
>Persian - Cyrus
THE GREAT, KUROSH E BOZORG
>Polish - Mieszko I
Szszczsczczczscz
>Russian - Catherine
THE GREAT, also a German
>Sioux - Sitting Bull
BIG
>Spanish - Isabelle I
She was Castillian, national indentity did not exist at the time
Zulu - Shaka
It's Shaka Zulu
>>1353461
>you
Autism
>>1352581
>what are your thoughts on the character list?
That picking one person to represent an entire civilization is retarded and was made to give filthy casuals something to visually stimulate them.
Because actual depth would be way too much to ask for from a modern civ
>>1352581
sauce
>>1353461
>Qin Shi Huang
>Manchu
Manchu came almost 1,800 years after the first emperor
According to the Records of the Grand Historian, the first emperor was born in 259 BC as Yiren's eldest son. He is the only legitimate emperor of royal lineage by birth in the entire Chinese history
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qin_Shi_Huang#Birth_and_childhood
Qin Shi Haung is the logical choice for China since he more than any one else was responsible for creating the nation of China. Hell even the word "China" comes from the Qin dynasty.
>>1353461
(you)
>>1353461
>Why not Vercingetorix?
because they needed more womyn and if they added Boudicca you'd cry even more about that
Why are so many faggots in this thread acting like retarded fyromites?
>>1352581
French - Napoleon
tfw i want Clovis or Charlemagne
I'm tired of this nigger.
>>1353655
Nah at least Boudicca actually sort of kinda lead a tribe. The real problem with Boudicca is how awful she is in game.
>American - Teddy Roosevelt
solid choice, staple civ and past games have had the obvious Washington or Lincoln
>Arabian - Saladin
every civ game has had Saladin for the Arabs, though he was a Kurd, and a leader of Muslims, not of Arabs. Faisal or Nasser would be far better choices.
>Aztec - Montezuma
I think they should rename this the Mexican civ, they could draw content from postcolonial Mexico, and Aztec did call themselves the Mexica
>Brazilian - Pedro II
whatever. this screams "expansion pack civ"
>Celtic - Grace O'Malley
lmao. Way more of a stretch than even Boudica was, and "Celtic" civ has never really made sense, it is very broad
>Chinese - Qin Shi Huang
sort of an obvious, uninspired choice; I would have gone with the Wu emperor of the Han
>Danish - Ragnar Lothbrok
They literally picked him because of the popularity of "Vikings," he isn't even an historical person, Canute the Great or Margaret I if they wanted another female leader
>Egyptian - Cleopatra
Not as bad a choice as some complain, Cleopatra tried to emulate ancient Egyptian civilization, but still they should have used someone from that ancient Egypt
>English - Victoria
A first, this is usually Elizabeth, if they were going to change it they should have made it a prime minister, Pitt or Wellington
>French - Napoleon
Another staple, but it is unfortunate because there are so many stand out choices, from Charlemagne to de Gaulle
>German - Frederick the Great
if you're going to switch from Bismarck and Hitler scares you, I guess he's your guy
>>1353856
>Gran Colombian - Simon Bolivar
lol, I get that he is a cool leader to include but in what way can this be described as a civilization?
>Greek - Alexander
another classic, and again there are so many others in his shadow
>Incan - Huayna Capar
ok.
>Indian - Gandhi
he is the closest thing civ has to a mascot so it can't be anyone else. but like at least Indira Gandhi actually led India you know?
>Japanese - Mojo Tokimure
I remember reading about him in school. I would like to see the Meiji Emperor
>Malinese - Mansa Musa (Musa I of Mali)
Don't know much about him except the meme that he is the richest man to ever live, I guess it's a good choice if you want more African civs
>Mongol - Genghis Khan
classic civ and leader
>Ottoman - Suleiman
always interesting playing in a game with this guy, whatever version of civ
>Persian - Cyrus
Darius is still a better choice and more definitively Persian
>Polish - Mieszko I
Never heard of him. desu I think Poland is a weird idea for a civilization
>Roman - Julius Caesar
another civ mascot, and again there are so many others. maybe they will have multiple leaders like in civ 4
>Russian - Catherine
I never think that civ comes close to doing Russia justice
>Sioux - Sitting Bull
lol "civilization" "we need more native american civs!" "the mound builders? the iriquois? naaaah"
>Spanish - Isabelle I
my waifu returns
>Venetian - Enrico Dandolo
le happy merchant is back for a second civ. "Venetian" as a civ when Italy is absent is weird, and honestly I didn't like how this civ played in 5
>Zulu - Shaka
another classic, always fun with Shaka in the game
>>1353411
Russia had three leaders in that one tho
Canadian civilization when?
>>1353856
Actually Victoria was in civ4.
>>1353884
God please no.
>>1353884
I dunno, were they considering starting one?
>>1353856
>Charlemagne
>French
Nice bait
>>1353856
>Frederick the Great
Why not Konrad Adenauer or Ludwig Erhard?
There really aren't enough modern rulers
>>1352581
SAUCE...ANYONE?!?
>>1352989
China's history curriculum obviously is not only very sinocentric but also entails their important historical figures lol
Although he unified China, his purge of intellectuals and whatnot to secure his power was fucking stupid. At the time in China creating checks and balances of various controlled oppositions had
already been successfully practiced
Imo Deng Xiaoping or Taizong emperor would've been better
>>1352581
I can be a badass king/warrior in Arabia, and I can be a short, perverted nuisance in India. Seems accurate.
>>1353856
>Mexica
Fucking thank you so much someone who actually understands how misconceived the notion of the "Aztec Empire" is semantically. Even describing it as Tenochtitlan would've been more accurate
>>1353942
Underrated
This is for sure fake, but I'll play along.
Why would they(you) go with Mojo Tokimure instead of Ieyasu Tokugawa or Meiji?
Since they're going with interesting figures rather than the most recognizable leaders, why would they go with Isabella instead of Francisco Franco?
Why Suleiman instead of Ataturk?
Why Grace O'Malley instead of Brian Boru or Michael Collins?
Why have a Gran Columbian civ at all? If you want to represent Latin America, have Pancho Villa or Zapata leading Mexico, and then someone like Pinochet or another dictator for central America.
>>1354044
>why would they go with Isabella instead of Francisco Franco?
The game could be made illegal in Spain and, even if not, the butthurt would be massive.
>>1354044
Ataturk's Turkey even tried to distance itself from its Ottoman past, the Turkish obsession with who they once were only emerged in the past few years with the GFC really.
>>1352581
I wait for the day that a Civ game features the sun king as their French rep
>>1354044
I think its real.
They already confirmed Hojo Tokimure for Japan
>Grace O'Malley
She's a very interesting historical figure but I definitely wouldn't consider her iconic enough to be a faction leader.
Leaving aside the fact that the Irish are only Celts in the linguistic sense
>Brian Boru
>Vercingetorix
>Boudicca
>Hugh O'Neill
>Brennus
Would have been better choices
Or if they wanted to go modern
>Michael Collins
>Eamon de Valera
>Lloyd George if you wanted to stretch it
>>1354044
>Pinochet
>Central America
Chile is the noodle country in South America.
They really need to split up Greece and Mesopotamia into multiple different factions. I was thinking you'd have sub-civilization categories that have some unique features and some common features.
>Periclean Athens
>Leonidas for Sparta because memes
>Phillip the Second of Macedon, again because memes
>Assyria
>Sumeria
>Akkadia
>Babylon
>>1354106
Right, fuck. Eh, whatever. South and Central America were all in the same boat during the Cold War. Pinochet was the first dictator that came to mind.
>Egypt - Cleopatra
Why no Hatshepsut though?
>>1354165
I want to dominate the globe as Babylon and unite all men under the tongue of the heavens.
>>1353942
Savage.
They made teddy Roosevelt a fat fuck.
>>1354251
kek
>>1352581
>Celtic - Grace O'Malley
U FOCKING WOT.
>>1352581
>Ottoman - Suleiman
>ottoman
>not turkish
>not ataturk or mehmet the conqueror
>>1352723
If the Zulus weren't a diversity quota pick, they'd pick or add some other subsaharan kingdoms. But they won't, because despite wanting to appear diverse, and tolerant, Firaxis exists in the ultrawhite, ultrapriveledged tech industry.
>>1354251
Well he is American.
>>1352706
>italy was only significant during the Roman period
top kek m8
>>1352581
that's fake
>>1354332
>dgaf about diversity
>intolerant
>ultrawhite
>ultraprivileged
There is literally nothing wrong with any of this or anything stopping black folks putting down the mic/basketball and learning to code instead.
>mfw firaxis will never grow a decently sized pair of testicles to make hitler the leader of germany
>>1354358
That's true. But there's no reason to buy their bullshit and not call a spade a spade.
>>1354343
>implying I'm wrong
>>1354251
>implying he isn't a wall of muscle
>smug_anime_girl.jpg
>>1352581
Noooo I'm tired of Napoleon. I was really hoping for Louis XIV. I'd even take de Gualle or Joan over Napoleon since he's so overdone imo
>>1354366
Then the game would never be sold legally in Germany, let alone the E.U.. So, tough shit.
>>1354610
>let alone the E.U.
The only euro country that matters isn't even a part of the EU
>>1354056
>The game could be made illegal in Spain
Fuck no. We dont have those retarded German laws. Besides,Franco would be a pretty poor choice,considering our history
>>1353108
Hardcore Kek you fucking retard
>Israel david
You niggro
>tfw Israel currently committing genocide
Like they ever accomplished shit
>>1354732
The entire history of Israel is genocide. Killing Palestinians (Philistines) is practically what the nation was founded to do. Read the Old Testament for once
>>1354739
Not to be a neck beard but I'm not reading that stupid book
> God is a Dick
I get it
>>1354732
>Butthurt sandnigger.
>>1354750
>God is a dick
someone didn't read the new testament
>>1353382
Boudicca wasn't a pirate.
>>1352581
>Indian - Gandhi
Stop using this piece of shit and use somebody like Ashoka or Chandragupta(Either one), or even a Mughal leader like Akbar or Shah Jahan. Gandhi may be India's most iconic figure but he never ruled India. Of course this probably won't happen due to le nuclear Gandhi meme.
>>1354044
gameplay
>>1354104
they couldn't pass up having a pirate as a leader. o'malley is a fine choice even if she isn't iconic
>>1354332
>despite wanting to appear diverse, and tolerant
do they?
>>1354773
It happened for Civ IV, so we can always hope.
>new civ
>culturally significant structures are still ubiqutous and Chinese can build Great Pyramid
>each Civ still gets 1-2 unique unit(s)
Judging from that demo they have on youtube this game looks like a Civ 5 mod.
>>1352666
>I get that Boudicca is kind of a woman warrior but I don't see much reason to idolize her
Firaxis didn't invent Boudicca love, the English did. Why? I don't know. But considering England's greatest cultural hero is a legendary cuck who was also defeated and represented a doomed culture I guess you can conclude that they just plain love losers for whatever reason.
>>1352708
that looks straight out of Monty Python's Holy Grail
>>1354610
Actually it could be if censored properly. Like using an Iron Cross instead of a Swastika symbol, alter Hitler's name as facial features like Hearts of Iron 4 did for it's German version, etc.
I'd like to see Hitler in Civ just because I want to play WW2 in Civ without really shitty fan mods. I want FDR and everyone to actually have rendered models and not just still images like mods have for the diplomacy screens.
>>1352581
>Arab leader is a Kurd
>Egyptian leader is a Greek
>>1352581
Did I miss something, or are all the Mesopotamian kingdoms and empires missing?
They are by far my favorite. At least add Assyria and Babylon, geez.
>>1352771
>BTFO'd Germans
The germans BTFO'd themselves, and he was there while it happened.
If you consider that there are "german people" and "scandinavian people", then all of this guy's wars were just joining the winning side in civil wars among those people.
Smart, and commendable, this isn't a criticism, but the BTFO'd label doesn't quite fit history.
