Remember that one time when longbowmen rekt everyone? Oh wait that's every time they were deployed.
>>1352021
Joan of Arc, i don't need to say more
>>1352021
Then how come England lost the 100 years war?
>>1352021
Battle of Patay.
>>1352614
It was an inside job.
>>1352614
jews
>>1352021
bu-but it needs training.
>>1352021
do you even ride?
In Patay 500 French knights killed 2500 longbowmen.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEV4SpiqY7o
>>1352614
As an outsider, I don't understand the English obsession with the Hundred Years War, and some of the bullshit that permeates around the entier conflict.
>The longbow is the best weapon to have ever existed, could easily pierce through French steel like a hot knife through butter!
>Agincourt and Crecy were the most important battles of the war
>Somehow we lost all territories in France and were sent spiraling into a civil war that would (as a portion of the total population) kill more Englishmen than any other war
>But we somehow won because half of the French population died... mostly because of the plague which killed a third of Europe's total population and was most heavily affecting the Mediterranean countries
The last time I saw a country so obsessed with a war they decisively lost it was the Belgians (and even then mostly the Flemish) and the Franco-Flemish war.
>>1354697
>The last time I saw a country so obsessed with a war they decisively lost it was the Belgians (and even then mostly the Flemish) and the Franco-Flemish war.
But we're the only part of medieval France that managed to break free
>>1354697
It's because the English (poor country with a low population then) initially won and would have if the king didn't die.
>>1356048
>we were the underdogs!
The english always use this rhetoric, even during the two world wars, despite the empire.
And in the 100 years war France was under 99 kinds of shit and issues, but those are always ignored, just like the plague, just like anything that might suggest the british are not a brave little guy standing against the huge french/german juggernaut and bravely seeing them off.
>>1356061
English were the underdogs
You're forgetting the English were also effected by the plague and the French tried to invade first but were btfo. The Scottish also invaded northern England at the same time but were defeated
French soldier: well equipped and trained
English soldier: some peasant
>>1356074
>French soldier: well equipped and trained
>English soldier: some peasant
But this is wrong. If you look at the trained, actual ""professional"" soldiers, the two armies had a comparable amount in almost all battles.
And the plague affected France much more than it did England.
>>1356079
Nah, the French had the most powerful army during that time.
Also the English had to worry about Welsh rebellions, peasant revolts and usurpers
>>1354697
This tbqh, it seems the English keeps going on about muh longbermens and the same three battles over and over and over again. It is, honestly, ridiculous.
>>1356088
I haven't the time as I need to leave, so I'll just leave this proposition.
We can agree that this was was initiated by the english, coming into France.
We can agree that the english leadership was competent.
We can agree that the english weren't forced to war, they could've resolved the issue in other ways, or use the channel and navy to gain home advantage if war was inevitable.
If the french army was stronger, why did the english attack? A competent leader went away from home to invade and conquer a stronger enemy? Seems stupid.
So at least we know that the english king and english court and all people was in charge of the english armies thought the english force was stronger, and not the underdog.
Judging by the reactions and reaction timings of the french, we can assume they also thought the english at least equal, if not stronger.
>>1352021
>implying
>>1356105
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cr%C3%A9cy
The French army was a lot bigger than the English, when Edward 1 invaded he only had 12,000 men. The English invaded first because after the failed french invasion the English dominated the channel. Also the English king believed he was the rightful king of France because of his mother which started the war.
>>1356129
speaking of Crecy
>will dump if anyone is interested
>>1356129
So he was weaker, and knew he was weaker, but invaded because... ???
Its almost as if he was stronger, and knew he was stronger. Either that, or incompetent.
>>1356249
Is this the comic which had this ''we covered our swords with shit'' panel? How historically accurate is this? I mean the comic not shit smearing.
>>1356644
The comic is AMERIKA FUCK YARR tier, and should be taken as over the top stylized boasting, not history lesson.
>>1356249
much interest over here man. Dump That Shit!
>>1354697
Also let's not forget
>English nobles were all French
>>1356088
>Also the English had to worry about Welsh rebellions, peasant revolts and usurpers
Because similar things didn't apply to France?
>>1356644
indeed it is
>>1356656
There is a bit of "we're the fookin' anglos!" true but it's not a terrible intro if you've never heard anything about Crecy before.
>>1356678
will do
>>1356761
>Caen BTFO'd
>>1356729
>We're not a very pleasant people
no kidding
>>1356745
Could people really be as buff as the bearded guy back then? He looks like a power lifter.
I've got a minor errand to run so gonna pause dumping for a bit.
>when I return: Genoese crossbowmen!
WELSH BOW A SHIT
SHIIIIIIIIIIIT
>>1354697
It's the Englishman's version of the katana.
>GLORIOUS ENGLISH YEW
>TRAINED FOR 1000 GENERATIONS
>PIERCES AN ENTIRE COLUMN OF ARMORED KNIGHTS
>SMELLY FROGGU GO HOME
>>1356785
>a lot of us don't have mail
>except all the mail wearing archers from the earlier panels
>>1356754
lolololol! Sheep shaggers
>>1356841
yeeees please keep posting
this shit is for the anglosphere like bad samurai manga is for weebs, geez
>>1352021
bows in rain are useless
>>1356924
Longbows can be treated with oil to make them water resistant.
>>1356923
true but I don't care. it's fun to read
>>1352021
Yeah, that's right, Longbows are incredible in range battles.
Too bad that range battles were pretty rare, and that most of the HYW were siege battles where the crossbow is superior.
Too bad there were naval battles where the crossbow is also superior.
Too bad that when your longbowmen are not carefully deployed and depend on the enemy's mistake, they'll get crushed (See : Battles of Patay, Formigny, or Castillon).
Why english and welsh hate each other and what was the reason behind the war between them? William seems butthurt as fuck about that welshman.
>>1356269
Because he thought it was his divine right to own France I guess, they took that shit very seriously back then. Also he did use "chevauchee" tactics a lot
The longbow is only slightly less overrated than the katana. All its major victories could be summed up with
-can't deploy crossbows due to rain
-charge through mud
-horses dead, get exhausted in said mud
-get trampled, die of Heatstroke or get speared by English men at arms
The recurve bow could potentially fly further and be shot from horse back and actually ended civilizations in the hands of steppe nomads.
>>1357085
t. Mongol
go back to fucking horses you dumb chink horsefucker
>>1357107
He's right though you ugly arrogant anglo island nigger
I never thought Safeway could be that packed on Friday morning of all times...
Anyway, on with the show
>unironically dumping a shit comic
>rip Genoese mercenaries
>"it ain't me, it ain't me, I ain't no nobleman's son, son" plays in the background
and that's all folks!
[spoiler]Ready your keyboards for arguments and shitposting about this last panel for the rest of the thread.[/spoiler]
>>1356784
People didn't sit around on their asses all day eating refined sugary snacks. Diet was high in whole grains (bread, gruel, beer), some veggies, and relatively lean meats.
>>1357298
>le arrows go straight through an armored man meme
>>1357347
People didn't sit in gyms drinking whey protein and lifting metal weights either.
Look up the early circus "strongmen". This is as big as you could hope to be, and considering medieval medicine and training/sports, thats pushing it much.
>>1357349
To be fair, "arrow go straight through an armored man" only happens once on that whole page and even then it's through his neck which is possible give close and a bodkin arrow.
>>1357336
thanks for dumping anon
>>1357241
Were they really so close to each other? I expected longbowmen to be at way bigger distance.
>>1357415
Longbows can't pierce armor unless the enemy is within stone throw range.
How many shots could a lonbgowman fire in a minute?
>>1357380
my pleasure.
>>1356841
I am seeing some images of men covered from head to toe in chainmail but no helmet. How common was this attire? And why no helmet?
>>1357477
The "no helmet" kit was not common at all. Everyone had helmet. If you only had money for one piece of armor, it was a helmet. I'd argue you are better off bringing a wood chopping axe and a helmet than you are spending for a sword.
Or at least put some rags and straw on your head. You need SOMETHING. Head wounds are the one thing you won't be surviving without protection.
>>1357511
Its just, even in the opening part of the comic, and yes I know its not 100% historical or even half, but you have a helmet and you're one of the crossbowmen. You may not get hit in the head but an arrow through the leg, arm or gut is going to leave you crippled anyway no?
>>1357477
I cant see anyone without a helmet but in armour in combat
>>1357527
I was referring to the main characters' friend who was alongside him at the start and in the odd panel. He had no helmet on but looked to be covered in a full suit of chainmail.
>>1357521
Arrow in the leg sure beats arrow in the head.
And crossbowmen had a shield to hide behind. At most their head is poking to have a look before showing to shoot.
Every single soldier, EVERY SOLDIER, at all points in human history, in all organized warfare, had a helmet. We still have helmets, after abandoning most armor. Police even has helmets. Fucking football players have helmets.
>>1357548
Aztecs had no helmets and neither did Egyptians.
>>1357566
Both had helmets actually.
>>1356644
>the issue in other ways, or use the channel and navy to gain home advantage if war was inevitable.
The whole thing is completely fucking inaccurate.
>>1357364
Yeah, those lazy bastards, doing nothing but building things, chopping wood, carrying and dragging things around... also they were starving all the time.
They were all weak and small, because they had no gyms and protein shakes.
>>1357594
I saw no egyptian helmets faggot show me them nigger.
>>1357603
You acting like a schoolgirl doesn't prove me wrong, nor proves you right.
>>1357603
You think real life farmers look like Schwarzenegger as well?
>>1352021
Stop with the agincourt meme.
The longbows did not win the battle. They only won once they ran out of arrows and flanked the French Knights in melee.
>>1357607
My point is, they were doing physical labour all day long.
The ones that actually were able to get a sufficiently good and reliable diet would be able to get a good body stature.
You also need to be quite strong to draw a longbow.
![sea_peoples[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/AiLWvTH.jpg "sea_peoples[1].jpg")
>>1357611
You can have non-metal helmets too.
A lot of egyptian art depicts people with funky hats at war, assuming its protection, and the semites giving them tribute often have helmets in their hands, assuming they were valuable gifts.
Egyptians were pretty decked out in the pre-sea peoples world, with metal armor, helmets, anti-armor weapons in their maces and picks, the big chariots.
>>1357623
I do physical labor all day long, for over a decade. Construction work, carrying big cargo from and to ships, and I run, and I do pushups and pullups in the morning.
Because I don't actively and deliberately try to be a bodybuilder by eating and supplementing appropriately, I end up with a very hard, tortured, tough body, but not with a big bulky one.
You don't get big without trying to. It doesn't happen incidentally, just by working a lot. Its very hard, and you need to work towards it, for many years, and take chemicals and supplements to achieve it.
Your perspective on how the body works is warped by too much pop culture.
![egyptian_helmets[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/EEfrPmh.gif "egyptian_helmets[1].gif")
![ancient_helmets[1].gif](https://i.imgur.com/4R9crzc.gif "ancient_helmets[1].gif")
![egyptian-warriors[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/pPObV1P.jpg "egyptian-warriors[1].jpg")
Bit of an artist's rendition here. I think the tall blue helmet is more arab era.
![sherden[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/ZCZ0L9S.jpg "sherden[1].jpg")
>>1357652
Thats not a hat, you literal retard. Why would you wear a hat in the sun, while you are doing heavy physical exercise?
Your whole post is proof your IQ is lower than that of the average dog. Holocaust yourself.
>>1357634
The question was whether a statue like this was possible
If someone has favourable genetics, a good diet and is carrying around heavy things all day starting as a little child, I don't see why he should not bulk up a good deal
>>1357648
That's the helmet of the upper Nile from they're bronze age
>>1357651
These are not Egyptians but foreign mercenaries, in this case most likely from bronze age Sardinia
>>1352021
Reminder they are the origin of the two finger salute taunt.
>>1357972
Reminder that's a meme.
>>1352610
triggered frog spotted
>>1357625
>>1357611
>>1357594
>>1357605
According to first results I got from google, your average Egyptian soldier didn't wear helmets because "it was too hot", which I think is bullshit. As a desert people, you'd want at least a hat to keep the sun from roasting your head.The Pharaoh wore a helmet into battle, at least.
www.touregypt.net/featurestories/defense.htm
>>1358326
>I think
>despite multiple sources disagreeing with me I'm gonna make shit up
kill yourself and they did wear those hats what the fuck do you think is this?
>>1357312
>30 thousand casualties
OK, who fucking made this piece of shit?
>>1357641
Like half of these are actually sea people helmts
There is a battle in the Wars of the Roses, with Longbowmen from both sides firing arrows at each other for over an hour with very little casualties on both sides.
My conclusion from that battle is that the longbow is only effective to pin down the enemy, you will only hurt them badly if you can attack them with different weapons while pinned down.
>>1357312
>We finished the idea of horses in war for 200 years
Yeah... Except for the battles of Patay, Formigny of Castillon, which happened less than a century afterwards, and had french knights mass murdering longbowmen thanks to cavalry charges.
Reminder that a longbow can't even penetrate a gambeson at point blank range
youtube.com/watch?v=CULmGfvYlso
>>1352618
>Battle of Patay.
OP never heard of this.
French got their shit together. Started using light cavalry for recon. They didn't wait for their whole army to line up, and in the mean time let the English set up field works.
The French cavalry just rode over the English longbowmen within minutes.
>>1356088
>Also the English had to worry about Welsh rebellions, peasant revolts and usurpers
For a long time, France was split between the Burgundians and the Armagnacs.
>>1357085
>-can't deploy crossbows due to rain
>-charge through mud
>-horses dead, get exhausted in said mud
>-get trampled, die of Heatstroke or get speared by English men at arms
Plus:
>English had time to create field works to stop the French cavalry from charging on them
>lmoa niggaz 2dumb so they wear woolen hat to fry they're headz
I wish /pol/ would leave.
>>1356088
There wasn't even a "France", it was multiple domains, the country was effectively in civil war.
You are sugar coating it to an extreme extend.
>>1352776
horse archers are fucking OP
>>1360172
They're actually maddeningly overrated.
>>1354697
HYW was important as a proto-national consciousness development. A little bit of wewuz, if you ask me.
>>1360210
this
>horse archers are basically just archers in a siege
>still need some fuckers to climb ladders/dig tunnels/batter gates
>this is literally how the Mongols were stopped from entering further into Europe because the people who'd been raided before just built castles n'shit
>>1361005
A, The mongols were not exclusivly a horse-archer army, they deployed infantry and heavy cavalry aswell.
B, It's not like Europe was the only place that had fortresses and castles. The mongols kept around siege specialist (most of these were chinese forced to help the mongols) and were able to make trebuchets and all kings of other siege equipment.
>>1361005
>the "european castles defeated the mongols"
Yeah, because the Mongols definitely didn't have any siege expertise or any experienced siege engineers.
>>1361005
>europe castles beat mongols
Nice meme
cool comic. thanks for posting m8
No.
>>1361026
Why is he cleaning castle doors?
>>1361017
A. Yes, but "horse archers" as a specific troop type are basically just like any other archers in a siege unless supplemented by other troops (which you did mention but this first point pretty much always applies when looking at their application during a siege).
B. While true that the Mongols had capture Chinese siege specialists: there were far more castles in Europe at the time then China. Even completely ignoring the "European vs Chinese castles" argument, the sheer number of sieges needed would blunt the biggest advantage (speed).
>>1361026
>>1361053
I mean there's the whole "Second Mongol Invasion of Hungary" being stopped by lots of stone castles/fortifications (approximately 60). It was basically Hungary just putting into practice the lesson they learned during the first invasion: Mongols are great fucking up the countryside but not so great vs fortifications/castles.
>tl;dr: too many castles in Europe and basically stopped by good quality (stone) castles
[spoiler]desu, mongolaboos aren't that bad usually but at least the wehraboos and tankies accept that their factions had weaknesses based on historical evidence instead of muh horse archers, muh chinese siege specialists![/spoiler]
>>1356852
kek this.
>>1357364
they were drawing fucking huge ass bows daily though
>>1357657
Dude, hats are common as fuck in desert areas. What do you think a turban is?
>>1357657
>Why would you wear a hat in the sun, while you are doing heavy physical exercise?
to not get a fucking heat stroke from the fucking sun?
>>1361017
Not all fortifications and siege engines are the same. Chinese siege weaponry was flatly inferior to western designs, being weaker and shorter ranged.
European castles were pre-planned, military structures, built on defensible ground, with no purpose other than ""hold out forever."
This is a fucking far cry from Chinese cities, which often had only a single wall, and which were frequently packed wiuth useless mouths and sited on broad, flat plains, being built for habitation first and defense a distant second.
The mongols did not take a SINGLE stone castle in europe, and not for lack of trying.
>>1361026
And yet, they couldn't even take the citadel at estergzom.
>>1352610
t. Frenchieboo
