What was worse? The Native American genocide or the holocaust?
>hunting bison to near extinction or gassing jews to near extinction
Shit lad, I don't know.
Native American genocide. The Holocaust wasn't even that bad.
>>1351000
One destroyed a continent's worth of indigenous peoples and cultures, the other killed a few million Jews without a homeland. Which do you think is worse?
>>1351006
Both are genocides and shouldn't be the butt of jokes of 70% Nazis 15% libertarians and 15% delusional christians with some overlap.
>>1351008
>and shouldn't be the butt of jokes
Fuck off. Anything and everything should be the subject of humour. Both are things of the past that have no negative effect on me, save for creating the nazi card and silencing discourse with accusations of anti-semitism.
None of the genocided peoples were my relatives, genetically or culturally close, so I don't really care.
>>1351001
Yeah, poor Bison, they are so cute. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=estTtyHv8D4
lt's impossible to derive your morals from any other source than God - so if God approves it must be right.
>>1351017
>Fuck off. Anything and everything should be the subject of humour.
Including your tastes in humor
>>1351021
If god exists how come hey didn't predict the internet?
what a fucking retard lol
>>1351000
Native American easily. Thousands of cultures have now been lost in time forever whereas with the holocaust although plenty of knowledge and innocents were lost the Jewish culture still survived as a whole and went on the create Israel which the world would have been better off without.
>>1351018
Look at this cute thing. It's an European brown bear. Look at how harmless and sweet it is.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=69atYyxcz4o
>>1351030
technically didn't the native american genocide allow for the creation of the united states which was fundemental to the creation of the united nations which was fundemental to the creation of israel
>>1351030
>Israel which the world would have been better off without.
The world would be by far better off if all Jews just went into Israel and stopped meddling with other countries that are not their own. Financial elites living in countries they have absolutely no loyalty to is a bad fucking combination. George Soros is possibly the most glaring example of this. God knows what the Rotschilds and co. are doing in the shadows.
>>1351000
Holocaust didn't happen, not how it was reported to have anyways
>>1351035
Even if it did allow the creation of the US that wouldn't necessarily mean that the US would still have gone on to create the UN or Israel.
>>1351000
The holocaust because there's no general native american genocide, and you're mixing pears and apples if you think there's one.
There were native american genocides (in plural, and that's very important) but they're not necessarily related with each other. We don't and should not talk about an european genocide where the genocides of jews and ukranians are put in a single one. We don't and should not talk about a native american genocide.
That said, how do you judge what atrocity is better or worst? Numbers?
>>1351046
Jews got put into camps. Some were killed, some died to Typhus and other disease, some starved. Same fucking thing's occured every single damn time enemies were put into camps. Worse, when the nation was losing a war. Soviet Gulags, Finnish concentration camps after the civil war. Even the US internment camps would have shared the fate had the US actually been invaded and had to suffer the atrocities of war for once.
Only the Holocaust has its special place in our cultures, because the Jews have so much power in finance and media and because the victors write history.
>>1351059
There wasn't a Jewish genocide either, unless you consider the Jews living in Axis states as the entirety of Europe's Jewish peoples.
What ridiculous events to compare.
>>1351000
Millions of American Indians were killed off by murder, war, disease and starvation by settlers. over some five hundred years. It's bad enough, but the fact that the Holocaust was carried out with more malevolent intent and with none of the humanity that led some Europeans to try and stop what they were doing.
There was no native American "genocide," because their deaths were accidental, by disease. Far more died, though, than died in the holocaust. 50-100 million natives died, vs ~11 million in the holocaust.
Hands down the extermination of the Tasmanian Aborigines.
>>1351073
Hard to find humanitary intentions for enemies of the state and people when you're engaged in total war and losing.
>>1351080
You're ignorant. Just start with the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee Massacre and go work backwards from there.
>>1351082
This deserves a lot more mention than it did. The fact the British wiped out an entire island's worth of people boggles the mind.
>>1351085
I'm sure the invincible German warmachine was brought down by Jewish women and children /pol/ack. Don't forget we were stabbed in the back friend!
>>1351000
There was never a native american genocide, and the holocaust didn't happen
I thought this board was about history, not lies?
>>1351002
probably this
in terms of general deaths the holocaust (with all it's general shady "facts") is pretty much babby's first genocide
in terms of wickedness they lose to pretty much all asian genocides which are all tutorial tier shit (aside from pol-pot and the japs during ww2)
and in terms of numbers they lose to every little weekend genocide ever done in the world... even stalin killed more people in ukraine alone with his famines
the only reason why the holocaust is so mentioned and it's probably the most known genocide is because the jews made this their personal vendetta and a banner to rally behind and they're the masters of propaganda - because apparently only jews died at hitler's hands: no gypsies, no political dissidents, no homos, no black, no handicapped people or anyone else
>>1351073
>the Holocaust was carried out with more malevolent intent
I disagree. Both were carried with benevolent intentions towards their own people and nation and with little true malevolency against the victims, as evidenced by the original German plans of deporting the Jews. I think it is clear that the Nazis wanted the best for their own people, which the presence of minorities, especially rich and influential ones such as the Jews, conflicts with.
Call it semantics if you wish, but I do not think it counts as malevolence if it is done for the sake of others.
>>1351091
>I'm sure the invincible German warmachine was brought down by Jewish women and children /pol/ack. Don't forget we were stabbed in the back friend!
Surely you're not claiming that Jews were not considered enemies of the German people in Nazi Germany? You should stop taking such a polarized stance on everything and making assumptions about others' stances solely on a single post or argument.
>>1351103
The original intention of the camps was not genocide. They were concentration camps for a reason. Only later in the war was the decision made to let the Jews die and actively kill them.
On a unrelated note, does it exist people who want to tone down both the holocaust and the holodomar?
Because as far as my experience goes people will always only tone down one of them and overblow the other.
>>1351109
I tend to do that. Though I compensate it with general misanthropy.
>>1351108
>Nazi Germany
>Nazi Germany
>Nazi Germany
You know that most Jews exterminated during the holocaust weren't from Nazi Germany, right?
>>1351108
Proof?
>>1351000
the Gulag
>>1351091
>You're ignorant. Just start with the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee Massacre and go work backwards from there.
I think you should look up what the word "genocide" means.
>>1351121
And did you know that most of the soil Germany controlled during WW2 was in fact not German? Lebensraum im Osten.
>>1351121
>>1351123
Proof of what? The Madagascar plan?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Madagascar_Plan
>>1351133
Relocation =/= Genocide
>>1351134
Holocaust =/= genocide
>>1351131
areas occupied by Germans != Nazi Germany
>>1351108
Absolutely disgusting reasoning. Many Jews felt german and were quite the patriots, they were near singlehandedly responsible for the cultural and scientific dominance of Germany at the beginning of the 20th century. It saddens me to this day that my countrymen betrayed them.
>>1351144
Do you know what holocaust means?
>>1351152
Like when they overwthrew germany in a civil war? Jews didn't do shit but steal and take stuff for granted. They are WE WUZ KANGS level.
>>1351134
It can be, though.
>>1351152
Yes. Many were, but not all. Because of those few, anti-nationalist zionists the many suffered. Such is life and such is humanity.
>>1351156
Pardon, I misremembered the definition of genocide. The Holocaust indeed was a genocide as it seeked to destroy a part of the Jewish people of Europe.
Holocaust because it was far, far more intentional.
>>1351168
>intention makes a genocide worse
Could you rationalize that to me? I can't quite wrap my head around why that would be.
>>1351159
>Like when they overwthrew germany in a civil war?
Wat
>>1351159
Wow, it's almost like you *gasp* can't generalize an entire population!
A handful of edgy communist leaders doesn't even remotely compare to six figures worth of Jews fighting for Germany.
>>1351103
>pol manufacturing ridiculous survivors' testemonies, then using those to claim that survivors' testemonies can't be trusted.
>what's worse, 10 million civilians being exterminated for political reasons, or an unknown number of people dying through disease and from losing wars they started?
>>1351175
1918 a year long war commited by jews with a 2 million strong army attempted to establish a communist nation in Germany.
>>1351175
I honestly don't think I've ever heard this brought up when it comes to the blaming of Jews in Germany.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Revolution_of_1918%E2%80%9319
>>1351180
His name is put at the bodom.
>>1351189
google the name, it only exists in the context of this very picture.
>>1351189
I'm pretty sure I was in the thread where that text was pasted onto the photo. It was a joke on Sims being drowned in the pools by removing the ladder out and the idea being just as ridiculous as some of the bullshit some Jews have tried to spout.
>>1351200
o shit
Well atleast we have this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_GrwAyIS2Q
>>1351159
>they
they as in all of them? how perfidious
they as in some of them took part in the widespread revolutions immediately following the defeat? what traitors, better exterminate them just like the other groups involved such as christians, sailors, right wingers and soldiers
>>1351171
You figure it out if you care so much.
>>1351000
Clearly the holocaust. The Nqtive Americans just died because they were too trigger happy and killed all the buffalo to extinction.
>>1351210
We also reffered to germans as germans.
>>1351159
>Like when they overwthrew germany in a civil war?
/pol/fags should be banned from /his/.
>>1351000
Replace fance with native Americans
>>1351025
Now your getting it
>>1351220
So should redditors
>>1351210
They as in the majority of the socialist leadership was Jewish and they as in all of Jews were blamed for the rebellions as well as the actions of the corrupt zionist bankers.
>>1351021
>morals
>not a unspoken rule set developed to allow humans to interact with one another efficiency
Stop that.
>>1351227
Yes, I can read unlike /pol/ kiddies. Can you please explain how a failed Communist revolution could overthrew Germany?
>>1351245
The pathetic weimar republic was esthablished, which weakend Germany.
>>1351256
What does it have to do with Spartacist uprising?
>>1351263
I thought you read what it said?
>>1351271
I did. It's even in your picture.
>Result
>Weimar Republic victory
>suppression of leftist uprisings, including Spartacist uprising
>>1351000
Well one killed an entire continent of warring tribal people's who did not see an issue with cannibalism or torturing people to death. The hippy, pacifist image of Indians is a complete lie made by guilty white people. After the intro of horses/guns the Indians were well on their way to making bison extinct.
The jews in Germany were regular citizens, some of which kicked a young Hitler out of art school.
Hard decision.
>>1351238
If mammals in social groups are in constant competition with other groups then it is quite obvious the most successful mammal will have found a method of exterminating other species
Hence humans have evolved less altruistic behavior to other species and it is this that is applied to other human groups with such devastating effect if the technological imbalance between the two groups is extreme
Hence genocide and asymmetrically warfare are an inherent part of your nature.
>>1351279
>establishment of the weimar republic
Why is it the english speaking peoples or those ig germanic heritage that have caused the buggest genocides in history?
>>1351286
Yes and? What does it have to do with the Communists or Jews?
>>1351293
>RESULT
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZX90Jn4wok
Mpr proof that it didn't happen.
the indians were not the victims of a manmade genocide
at least in north america :)
>>1351294
I honestly wonder what you guys think happened in Germany in 1918 and early 1919.
>>1351296
http://holocaustcontroversies.blogspot.com/2013/09/viewers-guide-to-denierbuds-auschwitz.html
>>1351021
if god is so smart then how come hes dead
>>1351337
Why did the Nazi's have a hospital where they cared for the sick joos? Why supply them with buildings to live in? With beds? Why delouse then on arrival at the camp? Why didn't the allied ariel photographs show massive stocks of coke? Why did they give them uniforms, considering the cost? Why did they feed them if they were going to kill them, considering that there was massive rationing across Europe, and not enough food to go round? There are more questions than answers. Don't you think?
>>1351000
I don't want to be arrested so I go with the holocaust.
>>1351351
And there are more answers. You can read his entire blog if you are actually interested in truth.
But it seems like you don't really know how Auschwitz worked in the first place.
>>1351132
>The Holocaust deniers will then take the original (harmless) photo and the new, fake atrocity photo and post them side by side in forums that discuss history. They will then claim that the fake atrocity photo was faked by "the Soviets" or by "the Jews" for the purpose of libeling Hitler and the Nazis. They will then argue that ALL atrocity photos were faked like that, and, surely, the Holocaust has never happened.
>Conversely, sometimes the deniers will take a real atrocity photo and use Photoshop to erase the atrocity from the photo. They then claim it was the Soviets who took a harmless photo and inserted a fake atrocity.
>Holocaust deniers exploit the fact that many Stalin era propaganda photographs are faked and manipulated in an attempt to cast doubt on all photographs that show German atrocities.
nice try wehraboo
>>1351382
Wehrmacht didn't have anything to do with the camps.
>>1351001
Gas chambers being used to kill people are q myth. There was delousing chambers though.
>>1351000
What genocide?
Natives died mostly from disease, the remnants did lose some in combat, but not that many. The others just culturally died or integrated/got outbred.
I know I will get crucified for this but here goes. I am a First Nations person from Australia. I have 3 university degrees I work full time I own my house I have worked for everything I own and have achieved
1. White people tried to wipe us out through disease poisoned water massacres, forced sterilisation and the stolen generation.
2. The Australian government apologised for the stolen generation.
3. The general response from the public is it happened in the past why should I be sorry it wasn't me.
Why is there so much hate directed to First Nations people?
Why don't the white people in Australia get that we don't blame them for the past we just want the past acknowledged and taught.
Where the hell do they get the idea we are handed everything?
Why do people think I did not work hard for my education? And everything I own? Why am I automatically labeled as a drug user or an alcoholic. Why is it so hard for white people to accept black people are intelligent members of society.
I really struggle with why in 2016 there is still so much hatred in my country towards aboriginal people. Our children are still being taken ( some need to be ) but white families with the same problems are given support at home. We are jailed more often. Do the crime do the time I say but when a white boy steals food he's given a slap on the wrist not 3 years in detention. White people who were abused by catholic priest are given support and help. Stolen generation people are left on there own (no real specialised help )
The treatment of native Americans is very similar to the treatment of Australian aboriginals. I am all for reconciliation in this country but it won't happen until the past is acknowledged I don't get how white people dont understand it. And personally I don't compare what happened to my people and what happened Jewish people. I don't think you can compare the two.
>>1351461
>I am a First Nations person from Australia. I
Come on prove it ,just post your face, no one will recognise you. I'm not racist or trying to be racist, im really interested to see if an aboriginal is on the internet and here of all places
>>1351461
I can't speak for Australia, but in Canada the government can't help natives because 90% of things that would actually solve the problems natives face break treaties, which not only makes it legally sketchy, but also would result in the government being torn apart by the media because any infringement of treaties would be seen as colonialism even if it would have a positive effect. On top of this, native chiefs financially benefit from keeping their reservations in third world conditions and the Trudeau government is complicit in allowing them to do so by making it illegal to audit band chiefs
Why is it so hard to believe an aboriginal would be on the Internet?
We don't have a treaty yet. I personally think a treaty won't change anything here anyway. It's not going to make the racist shit I live next door to suddenly except me as a human being and not a 'savage' I keep praying he walks into my emergency department one day and I'm his allocated doctor
>>1351461
>Why is there so much hate directed to First Nations people?
>Why don't the white people in Australia get that we don't blame them for the past we just want the past acknowledged and taught.
Assuming you mean hostility to what you are discussing, because liberals believe in the agitation meme, they think it is great to constantly whine about every tiny thing even though the effect is similar to the boy who cried wolf, so when you want a sensible discussion about what happened people assume you're one of them.
More direct hate towards your people by australian racists is due to psychology, the "in-group" mentality and the sense of catharsis they get due to feelings they don't really understand which probably stem from their abusive father or some other trauma could be factors, but it varies from person to person. Look up the aggression-frustration hypothesis on google and related things.
>Where the hell do they get the idea we are handed everything?
>Why do people think I did not work hard for my education? And everything I own? Why am I automatically labeled as a drug user or an alcoholic. Why is it so hard for white people to accept black people are intelligent members of society.
Probably right wing memes this time. People who don't like high social welfare spending. A theory might be that they are lazy themselves and this is a reaction fomation.
>>1351030
Manifest Destiny, the fertile soil and rich resources of a vast land, combined with the clean slate of a new country founded on the greatest ideas of governance ever devised, combined with colonial and pioneer spirit and intelligence, lead to the greatest country the world has ever known.
>>1351507
>>1351091
On top of Tasmania let's not forget the extermination of the Beothuk in Newfoundland either.
They were warlike and savage, but still, they were exterminated.
> native American genocide
> genocide
lol
>>1351123
Making your own prisoners cremate their fellow prisoners? Ow
>>1351507
Extremely small population who mostly live in rural backwaters?
Its hard enough to find someone not British, American or German on the internet.
>>1351574
Ok well why do you care so much if one stinking Abbo is on 4chan
>>1351080
>their deaths were accidental
>>1351727
>all 12-100 million natives died at Wounded Knee
>Wounded Knee was a typical treatment of natives
>>1351738
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Massacres_of_Native_Americans
>>1351771
as far as I can tell most of those are either natives killing each other or military action that they got BTFO in. There's a large difference between winning a war and systematically killing innocent people for no reason
>/pol/ revisionists bit it again
![plague1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/9tFgO3e.jpg "plague1[1].jpg")
Majority of natives died from disease or due to starvation / warfare triggered by disease-induced depopulation.
The only instances of bona fide genocide in the modern US that I can think of were in the aftermath of the Pequot War, the Trail of Tears, the mass-enslavements in California, and some of the forced relocations of the Plains Indians. With the exception of the Trail of Tears the majority of these were the product of irreconcilable cultural differences between the white settlers and natives rather than an attempt at ethnic cleansing.
>>1351091
>You're ignorant. Just start with the Trail of Tears and Wounded Knee Massacre and go work backwards from there.
You are the only ignorant one here. The trail of tears was relocation, not systematic extermination. 99% of natives died from disease, which you can't blame the Europeans for because they didn't even know germs existed. The biggest exterminatin policy Europeans did against natives was the extinction of the buffalo, and by that point the vast majority of natives had been dead for centuries.
>>1351813
It's not revisionism to say that Indians were not victims of genocide. You just fell for stupid pop-history facts you read on infographics on facebook, ya fuckin moron.
>>1352106
>implying I was referring to the Indians
To pretend they weren't abused is ridiculous, anyway.
>>1352142
They were definitely mistreated pretty often but Indians also tortured and cannibalized white people so w/e. Agree about the Holocaust though. It's just desperate conspiracy theory bullshit from stormfags who want to pretend Hitler wasn't a complete maniac on top of being a moron.
>>1351000
Kill yourself brah
>>1351810
>You mean the Judenputch? Radical jews were close to overthrowing the government while Germans were busy dying in the fronts.
To be fair the Germans deserved to die
>>1351280
>Well one killed an entire continent of warring tribal people's who did not see an issue with cannibalism or torturing people to death.
You assume they were all cannibals, which is completely wrong. The torturing thing I'll give you.
>The hippy, pacifist image of Indians is a complete lie made by guilty white people.
True.
>After the intro of horses/guns the Indians were well on their way to making bison extinct.
Also true.
However, none of this excuses genocide.
>>1352175
Mad?
>>1351507
I'm OP and I'm Native American.
Here's my front yard for proof.
>>1351000
Do you mean which one didn't happen more?
>>1352508
>No timestamp
>>1352508
How's alcoholism treating you famalam
>>1351200
That and its a song used by edgelords, by the band Drowning pool
>>1352508
is that a backyard or a junkyard
>>1351006
But most died due to disease..
>>1351521
>shitty science memes
Fruistration aggression hypotheses has very little actual evidence despite being almost 100 years old.
>>1351531
Do australians like yourself hate jews?
>>1351000
I Wouldn't mind having a city full of bison.
>>1352508
nicest rez cars I've seen
>>1351000
Native Americans, I think.
Do you just ever sit and think about what kind of amazing discoveries and new ways of thinking could have come from these now extinct cultures? Fuckin' sux.
>>1351002
Well, the holocaust lead to the Palestinians being killed and losing their land.
>>1351006
Say what
>>1353410
>Do you just ever sit and think about what kind of amazing discoveries and new ways of thinking could have come from these now extinct cultures? Fuckin' sux.
Considering that they did fuck all for 10,000 years, no, I do not.
>>1354728
>invite jews refuge from massacre
>jews take over and massacre their hosts
>inb4 Hitler did nothing wrong
>>1354728
The UN plan was a little short-handed but I can't blame Israel for flat rolling the Arabs after they've chimped out 3 times.
Don't give your enemy a mile.
>>1351000
Hmm, let's think.
Jews are still an ever present fixture of western culture and as a race, do phenomenally well when it comes to income/education opportunities.
Native Americans live in some of the shittiest parts of the US without water or good farming land or access to industry.
>>1351424
You are an idiot.
>>1351000
>death of some worthless animals or genocide of the majestic bison that once roamed the land
wow looks like a hard choice there
>>1354742
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