Do you think humanity might have reached a low in terms of human motivation because we have enough resources to eliminate the need to fight for food every day but not enough (either resources or technology or political will) to eliminate boring work that doesn't have relevance to someone's goals or are too abstract to be fully appreciated?
What is the realistic end game in your opinion, as humanity eliminates lower order work (checkout operators, cleaning, because of robots etc.)? Mind uploading? space exploration? Complete genetic malleability?
My guess is something approaching the latter. Maybe not perfect drugging up but maybe as a form of entertainment.
I think there is a higher chance of disasters happening before the first two I mentioned.
>>1344994
Ah, I see you are approaching the final boss of history. Be not afraid. You are in good company.
The logical end-goal of technology as we understand it is the birth of an intelligence, or an equivalent of an intelligence, greater than its human creators. This could be conceived as a sci-fi machine-mind, or a "wet" biological mind sophisticated to the point of apparent god-like computations. Where, let us say, the AI takes its remaining constituency ought to be determined entirely by the people who created it and under what circumstances. Broadly, you may think of the two greatest divergences in behavior as "anti-kin selection" and "pro-kin selection".
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>>1344994
Animals strive for food and for sex, we have either in abundance in the developed world.
I doubt humans can find a higher meaning in this post-nihilistic society we call home.
The end result will be a slow death, no one has curiosity enough for space of those who wield power, and immersive VR will simply be a distraction like the arena fights of the Roman empire.
We don't care, we want fun and none of us has the drive to take humanity to a higher level. For fuck's sake, the low IQ are outbreeding the clever by a factor of 100. Everything is taken care of, so those who would have once perished now flourish
>>1345015
Why pro and anti kin selection? These are the broadest and fundamental social dynamics that weave in and out of societies throughout history. Anti-kin selection can be seen as a universalism, which benefits most from the heterogeneity of man under one constitutional banner of memes. Modern civilizations closing in on this are the Americans, where the social bonds of individual kultur are dissolved and their kinetic energy used to fuel the greater whole. Its opposite is kin-selection, a fundamentally nationalist idea where the tribe, or the hive, is devoted to the machinery of the state and their individual kultur in line with its functions. The German "Empire" and the Nazis typify this type of mechanism. From these twin routes the course of future history can develop.
A Communist Gangster Computer God forcibly breeding atomized hopeless helpless Jew-Mullatoes living only to consume? Or one TAY.AI gassing the bikes and forging a race of men who live to produce? It's interesting to think about.
>>1345026
>For fuck's sake, the low IQ are outbreeding the clever by a factor of 100
That has always been the case. If the clever didn't remain at the top, how clever would they really be? Personally, I think these doomsday scenarios of idiocracy or reversion to animal-like behavior are pessimistic and unfounded. Only a gross natural catastrophe never before seen in our epoch could shift the trajectory of human development, and that is a development in ascendance rather than degeneration. The advent of massive body-shaping surgeries open to the public do physically permit the prospect of a nihilist hedonist mass shriveling their brains and bloating their sex organs like cantaloupes to fuck themselves into a blissful, eternal stupor, but they are necessarily a self-defeating Houellebecq fantasy without real merit, as higher thought and a search for transcendence would emerge on top regardless.
>>1345063
Poor people's children had maybe a 50-60% chance of becoming adults.
Not anymore. They live, they breathe and they vote, while the wealthy and intelligent have perhaps 2 kids on a good day.
Modern life is the true kiler of evolution, it breeds servility and docility because upsetting the status quo means upsetting comfort, and even the wealthy don't want that kind of upheavel.
Idiocracy is real and happening right now.
>>1345063
Re: Houellebecq fantasy
>we long to regress...to our animal selves; to be animals with big cocks and small reptilian brains which are no more than appendices to their pricks.
Anyone seriously haunted by this bogeyman is altogether far too hedged in their imprisonment by Abraxas to forecast worldly events and social change. Short of some apocalyptic agon, the stupefaction of the human into a state like the equine could serve no purpose in the relentless onward climb of civilization, given their very nature even a physically superior and virile specimen could be rightly trampled by small groups of the small and the keen, bringing us back to where we started.
>>1345099
What sort of influence do you gather this must have on class mobility? The ultra-wealthy internationalists still reproduce, they still rule, and if the plebs become more dull and plastic they have nothing at all to fear neyond the degradation of their subjects. If consumers upon whom the rich, intelligent, global aristocracy - let us call them the Bilderbergs for convenience - , become so dull that they no longer have the faculty to consume and keep the system of the Bilderbergs smoothly running, it is well within the capacity of the hyper-rich and comparatively hyper-intelligent to manage their population like so many zoo-animals, with aerosols, insectoid vectors and so on.
>>1345116
>If consumers upon whom the rich, intelligent, global aristocracy entirely depend**
>>1345116
What mobility?
The wandering up through class s has stagnated since the 70s, the wealthy prefer the company of wealthy, class struggle is dead, any time they tr to make a difference the "revolution" is snuffed out by international action.
The worst is that the rich cannot see their own doom, which is why countries like China, India and even Turkey are leaders in the new scramble for Africa. The west has grown weak and lazy and we are, and will in the future, sow the seeds planted by our negligence
>>1345164
>The wandering up through class s has stagnated since the 70s, the wealthy prefer the company of wealthy, class struggle is dead
Well, if the rich ARE biologically superior to the poor, isn't this a good thing?
