post yfw Cuckolicks and Orthocucks think you need works for salvation, and that faith alone is insufficient
Care to prove it theologically?
>>1342480
Ephesians 2:8-9
>>1342488
James 2:24-26
Care to expound on why one trumps the other?
>>1342477
>Protestantism is literally Horny males who want to pump and dump without going to hell
>>1342495
Because James isn't scripture
t. Mardin Luger
>>1342477
Oh look its this thread again
>>1342495
Justified vs. saved.
>>1342584
The Catholic and Orthodox churches teach that salvation is by grace alone, and justification is through faith and works. Are you admitting that they're right?
>>1342477
>>1342477
Ever since /his/ was created I've had an urge to print out copies of Luther's theses and tape them on catholic churches during a night of debauchery and mischief.
>>1343528
DO IT
>>1342477
>you need works for salvation, and that faith alone is insufficient
But that's literally protestants.
>>1343630
Catholics and Orthodox believe in faith + works
Protestants believe in faith alone.
Vade retro, splitters of the holy mother church
>>1344032
>the divine comedy
So Catholocism's representation is silly fan fiction? C'mon man...
>>1344036
>dismissing the greatest work of literature since Homer as "silly fan fiction"
>>1344044
thats the reason why /his/ hasnt a board tan
>>1344032
You do know how harshly critical Dante was about the Catholic Church in that, right?
>>1342477
>be serial killer
>also a protestant
>kill a bunch of people
>truly believe in god
>get into heaven
You can't make this shit up
>>1344061
still an artwork inspired by catholicism
>>1344061
Dante was mostly critical of the sun and moon allegory, as well as the corruption of Popes, but especially the sun and moon allegory. Theologically, however, he was completely Catholic, his work draws heavy inspiration from Aquinas.
>>1344049
Constantine is our board tan though
>>1344049
>>1344074
Clio should be
>>1344044
>greatest work of literature since Homer
Whoa there bud, it's good, but there are multiple other works between then and now, the middle ages housing many of them.
>>1344164
There certainly are, if there weren't then the statement would be "first work of literature since Homer," not "greatest work of literature since Homer."
>>1344181
Are you seriously going to try to say that works like
>Beowulf
>Das Nibelungenlied
>Parzival
>La Morte D'Arthur
>La Chanson de Roland
>the Aenied
>the plays of Sophocles
>the Consolation of Philosophy
>the Seafarer
>the Wanderer
>the Dream of the Rood
Can't even possibly compare to the Iliad and the Odyssey?
>>1344199
Yes.
And La Morte D'Arthur was written a while after the Divine Comedy, by the way.
>>1344199
ignore the cuckolick he just likes to come and shit up any religious thread
>>1344211
Why would I shill for the Divine Comedy when Dante puts Orthodox Christians in the eighth circle of hell?
>>1344206
I figured the dates would be off on a couple of those, I'm glad I didn't include Canterbury Tales in there.
I think it's closed minded to say that though, Beowulf and Das Nibelungenlied are far better atmospheric and narrative works than the Divine Comedy, without having half of the authorial hangups (since we don't know who wrote either of them)
>>1344218
The Divine Comedy is simply superior poetry.
>>1344217
The pseud you're replying to didn't know this because he hasn't actually read it.
It's funny to me how so many people conclude that Dante was opposed to the Catholic Church simply because he made some criticisms and had esoteric knowledge.
>>1344231
>dinky rhymes better poetry than alliterative verse
>>1344246
Italian rhymes much, much more easily than English. Extending rhyming sounds gimmicky in English, but in Italian it's unobstructive.
>>1344254
*unobtrusive
>>1342477
Salvation by faith alone sounds like a fucking cosmic horror story.
>>1343528
kekekekekek fucking do it.
>>1344254
I forgot to add that it doesn't sound gimmicky with Chaucer. Even though English wasn't used for rhyming poetry before Chaucer (Chaucer being inspired by Italian poetry), Middle English is still much more accommodating to rhyme than Early Modern English or Modern English
>>1344273
A: Gilbert and Sullivan is accompanied by music.
B: The works have visual elements, instead of being completely narrated in rhyme.
C: The works are operettas, they're meant to be light, often humorous works that you complete in a sitting. The rhyming detracting from their seriousness is beneficial.
>>1344287
>gilbert and sullivan is accompanied by music
The words were written first and are always more prominent in Gilbert and Sullivan, find the libretto online and you can read it for yourself to see how well the rhyming works.
>Works have visual elements
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahaTyws0a48
No video here.
Also the rhyming doesn't detract at all from the seriousness of this song or many of the songs in Yeoman of the Guard, and was written in a way that would be more about showing the beauty of the English language intentionally by Gilbert (mostly because Sullivan was growing tired of writing comic works.)
I will concede that this is a spectacular example and that Gilbert was nothing short of a poetic genius, as well as that lots of other English works have trouble catching up to this standard.
>>1344309
>The words were written first and are always more prominent in Gilbert and Sullivan, find the libretto online and you can read it for yourself to see how well the rhyming works.
Each song is an independent piece, it's not three hundred pages of rhyming narration. And no, Gilbert and Sullivan would *not* work purely as a book that you read.
>Also the rhyming doesn't detract at all from the seriousness of this song or many of the songs in Yeoman of the Guard, and was written in a way that would be more about showing the beauty of the English language intentionally by Gilbert (mostly because Sullivan was growing tired of writing comic works.)
And it's not three hundred pages long or meant to be enjoyed without music. It's meant to be enjoyed with actors and music and costumes and friends. It can work as a song too, but if you choose to abstract it purely as poetry, you aren't going to be able to get lyrics worth three hundred pages of quiet reading, thus the rhyme in this fashion would not work *extended* (a key work I used).
There's literally no point in arguing with Constantine about his point. His position is rooted in his continued fetishization of everything medieval. To Constantine the basis of his opinions is not their own merit, but in his insistence that everything was better in the middle ages.
In short, he's completely irrational.
>>1344351
What are you talking about, my favorite English literature is Shakespeare.
>>1344351
If he thought everything was better in the middle ages he would agree that Beowulf and Das Nibelungenlied were on par with the Iliad though
>>1344363
>backpeddling
Everything you do is a fetishization of older days, especially the medieval. Your preference for middle english, your choice of politics, your taste in artwork, even your beliefs (see how you defend Orthodoxy on the grounds of it never having accepted any element of modernism). You're as easy to read as a picture book, and lead the most thoroughly unexamined life I've ever seen.
>>1344384
I prefer Middle English to Modern English for good reason. That doesn't mean there was any craftsman of Middle English who could match Shakespeare.
>>1344351
>he's
>>1344390
>I prefer Middle English to Modern English for good reason.
Yes, because you're in love with the middle ages.
>>1344397
Because
A: The spelling wasn't perverted yet.
B: It rhymes more easily
C: The pronunciation of vowels is lighter and not as jarring (ah for a and ee for y).
D: The syntax is much more flexible.
E: Grammatical case in pronoun is expressed be form instead of position.
F: The diphtongs that Modern English doesn't have (such as "gh" and "th"--in modern English, the first is silent, and the latter is always รพ).
>>1342477
>protestantism confirmed for true NEET faith
Like 90% of cucklics believe in salvation through belief alone and calavanism preaches predestination in addition to works. There's not even a theological divide any more its just a sect of christanity opposed to the catholic church that just recently tried to cover up massive child molestation
>>1342477
right on, protestant bro!
>>1344068
Underrated
>>1344032
PARADISE LOST
I would do the acrostics thing but moot won't let me.
>>1342598
>works
>justification
I think you mean sanctification brah. This is why luther called james a "book of straw" because of the books heavy emphasis on living a God pleasing life/faith without works is dead.
>>1344068
This is libertinism case and point. The whole "I can do whatever I want but it's cook cause I'm a Christian" ideology mean you aren't actually a christian.
This is how I know you've never read Walther's Law and Gospel.
Reminder that protestants literally aren't Christians.
>>1345474
Reminder that Catholics are literally pagans
>>1344440
>the latter is always 'thorn'
WRONG YOU TRANNY
the 'th' diphthong is both voiced (like in 'the') and unvoiced (like in 'thigh')
>Believe bible is divinely inspired.
>Remove seven books because they contradict my head canon.
>Lead millions to damnation because you wanted some pussy.
Disgusting.
All works are a result of God's grace not to get God's grace.
>>1345506
>being pedantic
Neither is the Middle English 'th',Goth is pronounced like "[Got hi]m'
>>1342477
Considering it says faith without works is dead in the Bible itself, that's a pretty shit argument.
>>1345787
"Got" would of course be pronounced like "goat" back then.
