>Wake up in Anarcho-Socialist Utopia
>Have a hearty breakfast of dry grain and water
>Consider sharing this bounty with my neighbors
>Realize that my first neighbor, Bob, was forcibly conscripted into the Revolutionary Guard, despite being a pacifist
>Second neighbor, Jim, was beaten to death, accused of spreading counterrevolutionary literature
>Take a stroll to work
>Only pass 3 kulak families hanging by the lamp posts.
>Go to my job at the factory
>Once the workers had the means of production, we voted ourselves a 4 hour work day.
>Start around 10
>Take a long lunch break at 12 and decide not to come back
>Go for a walk around the park
>Consider stopping by church for a service
>Realize that all priests have been murdered by revolutionaries, and their churches blown up
>Decide to go home
>The door is kicked open, and there's a guy dying on my couch
>Try to call a doctor but the power is out
>Realize that most doctors fled as the revolution was occurring, leaving us with a massive shortage.
>Not that it matters, as the power is out. Since it's past 3, the electric workers are done for the day
>Roll dying guy out onto the lawn
>Eat a meager cup of bean soup
>Read the only book I have that was deemed "non-counterrevolutionary" by the "People's Literature Society": Green Eggs and Ham
>Go to bed, thanking Bakunin that we live in such a prosperous society free of exploitation
>>1341854
Such is the life of man under socialism imposed by young ideologues
"Inventing a fictional world to justify your ideology is the masturbatory exercise of a person that lives in his own echochamber"
t. Ayn Rand
>>1341888
Uhhhhhh she didn't actually say that did she?
Heard a right-wing libertarian utopia is better
>>1341854
>Wake up in Anarcho-Capitalist Utopia
>Apprise my modest one-bedroom apartment with pride and eat my breakfast of cardboard, high fructose corn syrup, corn starch and trace lead particles
>Watch the celebrity gossip morning shopping show as I eat
>Go to work because the free market has decided that my combined electricity, water and rent add up to exactly how much I make on an 80-hour work week, and I'm already behind
>Pay my subscription to the owner of the street outside for the right to walk to work
>Walk to work
>Sew wallets for 13 hours
>End of shift, everyone does unpaid overtime out of loyalty to the company
>Overtime is finally over
>Boss calls me to his office
>Makes me suck his dick
>Don't even get a bonus for it
>Ask for a raise
>Fired on the spot, word spreads around all the employers that I'm a troublemaker and a unionizer and I'm unable to get a proper job anywhere
>Find part-time work in a back alley meatery, frying stray dogs all day in the searing heat
>Spend all my pay on fried dog
>Can't pay rent, get kicked out into the street
>Can't pay owner of the street, get kicked out into the gutter
>Security guard comes and informs me that my cardboard house is on private property, tells me that I'm trespassing and I have to leave
>Sluggish from hunger, security guard's in debt paying for his children's primary school, and he knows that if he lets another one slide he'll lose his job
>Breaks my legs
>Drag myself to private hospital
>Doctor asks me for $20,000 for treatment
>Tell him I can't pay that
>Offers alternative for $1500
>Family members go into debt on my account and lend me the money
>Go to surgery, come out. My leg is still broken, and now the doctor cut up and ruined my dick
>He doesn't even have a medical degree
>Complain to security company and medical company
>Customer service tell me they'll look into it
>Owner of the street sends me a cleaning bill for the blood I left crawling to the hospital
>>1342164
>Libertarian
>Right-wing
this is what state-and-bosscucks actually believe
>>1342220
I'm stealing this - fucking love that filename.
>>1341854
looks like aynd rand fiction shit
>wake up in capitalist dystopia
>die in work while the owner buys 3 more ships made of pure gold
>my child replaces me and dies in work too
God bless capitalism
>>1341854
>all socialists are the USSR
you know there were quite a few European countries ran by a socialist majority party, that weren't commie blocs
though to be fair anarcho-socialism is an oxymoron (how can something distribute resources equally and efficiently without a governing body?)
>>1341854
>>Wake up in Anarcho-Socialist Utopia
Perhaps anarchy/communism in socialism the state as there as instutucion
>>Have a hearty breakfast of dry grain and water
you work little or nothing so surely has little access to consumption
>>Consider sharing this bounty with my neighbors
share ? it seems more like a religious sect than communism
>>Realize that my first neighbor, Bob, was forcibly conscripted into the Revolutionary Guard, despite being a pacifist
who will have forced bob if the state as a force of repression disappeared long ago ?
>>Second neighbor, Jim, was beaten to death, accused of spreading counterrevolutionary literature
that too is rare assuming you have achieved utopia
>>Take a stroll to work
fine
>>Only pass 3 kulak families hanging by the lamp posts.
should report it to a commissioner as soon as possible
>>Go to my job at the factory
fine
>>Once the workers had the means of production, we voted ourselves a 4 hour work day.
I hope that the desired production is obtained to serve the community
>>Start around 10
I hope that the desired production is obtained to serve the community
>Take a long lunch break at 12 and decide not to come back
you are a traitor to his country
>Go for a walk around the park
fine
>Consider stopping by church for a service
if communism/anarchism has worked you do not even know gow it's a church
>Realize that all priests have been murdered by revolutionaries, and their churches blown up
long ago, you should have other recreation
>Decide to go home
you lifestyle he bored me too much like the capitalist era
>The door is kicked open, and there's a guy dying on my couch
why?
>Try to call a doctor but the power is out
that is impossible, if the means of production are to worker satisfaction
>Realize that most doctors fled as the revolution was occurring, leaving us with a massive shortage
if there is no technical or professional you are not in communist / anarchist utopia looks more like a revolutionary state
>>1342164
Libertarian does not mean anarchocapitalism.
It just means small state not no state.
>>1341854
>qt latino revolucionario boifu kept lean by low calorie diet
>4 hour work day
>grow and smoke all the weed I want
worth it tbqh
>>1341854
>classcucks actually think this is what socialism is
>>1341854
>Wake up in socialist utopia
>shuffle through mail
>"Urgent do not dispose or redirect"
>tax mail again
>"You owe the state 5000$ for last month"
>open fridge
>all regulated food is rotten inside, since I can't afford electricity due to state taxes
>pop open a can of beans (1.99$, +12.99$ added state tax)
>read state newspaper
>next month due to budget deficits taxes will increase by 12%
>also healthcare will be handled by the health branch so I need to make an independent health insurance in the appropriate state department
>new regulations in order to make places more gender inclusive
>fuck, my shop is called mom & pop's
>stern knock on my door
>"this is the police, you haven't complied with the regulations"
>break down the door
>handcuffed
>taken out of the 50 story government highrise
>taken for a ride in a luxury state-owned police car on the most beautifully crafted roads around clean schools and hospitals, where government workers sit idle
>"how do you plead, anon"
>guilty
>get sentenced 15 years in jail for crimes against the state
>prison is better equipped to have people living in it than my home
>I get free healthcare and food
>I get free entertainment and goods
>only here for 15 years, had to make a shank to stab my roommate
>get 5 more years
>go to bed smiling as I don't have to pay taxes any more
>>1342178
>>1343146
isn't that kinda a double negative?
>>1342475
>try to make fun of capitalism
>can't even make it funny or long
Indeed, God bless capitalism.
>>1343082
I thought the point of these stories was over exaggeration for the purpose of humor
>>1342178
>implying HFCS would be a thing if the government wasn't subsidizing corn production to the point that producing corn is practically free
Other than that the post is 10/10.
>>1343660
it is a utopia after all
>Oh, look! The people are starving. Call the army on them!
Just another day at the socialist utopia
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/the_americas/venezuelans-are-storming-supermarkets-and-attacking-trucks-as-food-supplies-dwindle/2016/06/28/70020a14-37c8-11e6-af02-1df55f0c77ff_story.html
Bern victims/supporters unironically want this for the USA! How much must you hate America for wanting this?
>wake up in socialist utopia
>I'm Catholic so I was killed during the Revolution
>Protestant friend was tossed in the same grave as me
>both of our priests were too
>Gregorio who sold pizzas down the block is here too for being Orthodox
>thankfully our honored community member Lev Bronstein was there to tell the peaceful communists where we all lived
>he rose in ranks through the Communist Party
>one day his friend from the Party, Vladimir Ulyanov, kills him
>years later the same thing would happen to Vlad
>they built a statue of Vladimir on top of our mass grave
>mfw living a communist paradise
>mfw I have been freed from the tyranny of the Tsar by these noble souls
>anracho-socialist
>not satatist "communism"
Poor attempt of misrepresentation.
>>1345081
Maduro doesnt have half the brain Bernie has tho.
>>1342487
It's mainly to distinguish the egalitarian ideal from the rival model of no-holds-barred lucrativism.
>>1345092
>implying you even wanted freedom monarcuck.
>>1342164
>there's no law pertaining to seatbelts
>"holy shit guise there's no law what do i do? it's not like I can just be a man and make my own decision whether or not to put my seatbelt on!"
>>1345389
I think the implication is they aren't included in the vehicle because automotive manufacturers aren't obligated to include them.
It's 2029.
Your job has been replaced by a robot.
You can't afford to go back to college.
What do?
>>1345389
The manufacturer didn't build them into the car you beandip.
pic related
>>1345906
Communism has been tried and if it wasn't for international attention, it would have continued to be tried; and in its own logic, work.
>>1345923
>implying reddit
They're not even fucking posadists
>>1345412
Sieze Federal land to subsistence farm on with all the other humans who are not at the heads of major industrial concerns or members of the State.
>>1345923
To be fair state capitalism actually works great.
>>1345948
Only if you're industrializing.
Once you're there, you want to drop that shit in a hurry.
>>1345923
I didn't make the gif dude.
>>1341854
>meager existence
>still has access to electricity
PLOT HOLE EVEN IF POWER IS OUT
>>1345952
t. Victoria 2 player
>>1345971
I don't want to disappoint you, but I've never played that.
I was just going off of South Korea and Japan pulling off the most impressive periods of economic growth, and the Nordic countries being the best industrialized countries.
>>1341854
>>1342164
>>1342178
Tbh it all sounds like the same shit with a different smell. One leads to government oppression, the other leads to oppression by corporations and everyone else. To me, anarchy will always lead back to dictatorships and tyranny because people take advantage.
I've always seen anarchy as a self destructive ideology. It only works in small, self sufficient communities where everyone kind of knows and trusts each other, which is why it worked in the Spanish countryside that people love to use as an example of proof.
Kekked heartily though
>>1342348
>Implying FAI-CNT wasn't a state
>>1341854
>people need to work 8 hour work shifts 5 days a week or else they become "anarcho socialist"
nice hidden agenda, fag
>>1345412
>human life value dwindles, becomes cheaper than robot
>gather other humans, create a fucking militia
>recruit l33t haxxors to hack the robots' ai system
>destroy the oppressors with my army
ez
>>1342178
>can't pay street owner, get kicked off street into gutter
Apex kek
>>1346036
I can pretty much guarantee you that the people those robots are working for will have a large, well fed enforcer caste in their service, possibly made up of homicidal cyborgs. Depending on the level of military hardware available to the futuristic hyperbourgeoisie and the restrictions on the rights of regular human workers to bear arms, any numerical advantage the proles possess might well be worth nothing.
That's to say nothing of the impact of propaganda and memes, and any FBI or Pinkerton style subversion and infiltration.
>>1345389
If seatbelts were optional feature of your car I can assure you that 90% of cars would be sold without them.
>>1342487
> managed to be dumber than the OP
This shitpasta has as much to do with USSR as with any socialism (or capitalism).
they think it's not a state with a ruling class just because state propaganda tells them it's not
>>1345341
>Maduro doesnt have half the brain Bernie has tho.
>Bernie
>Brain
Kek. The faggot says crap like pic
>Be in ancap society
>Wake up in a mansion that I could buy due constant devaluation.
>Have thousands of suppliers of food that deliver your breakfast ,in 10 minutes
>Go to work in myjetpack,as roads arent needed anymore
>Work 2 hours due automatization
>Earn enough gold and bitcoins to not work in the next 2 weeks
>Open a bussiness with 1% of what I earn
>Become rich as fuck with your bussiness of selling heroin to kindergarden prostitutes
>Go back to my mansion and call a super model to bang
>Physically remove commies in the afternnon to protect the ancap utopia
>Go back to bed in your mansion,protected by privatly owned security forces
>>1346687
That's some heavy stuff you are smoking in ancap.
>>1342220
"muh roads" would be a valid argument if government funded roads weren't just as shit
>>1346722
> advertised their safety features
>>1343696
He couldn't afford more lines thanks to his below minimum wage pay
>>1346016
It was an organisation, I suppose you could argue that the bureaucratisation and participation in the government made it a state, but the counterrevolution was well underway by that point and there was no way of stopping it.
>>1347179
They were just killers and thieves.
>>1347185
Is killing bad when it is done to dismantle relations which reduce people to slaves? Slavery is the power of life and death, so it's murder. CNT violence was self defence. It's the same with property. Property is the theft of labour and resources, so the CNT re-appropriated what had been stolen.
>>1347200
>which reduce people to slaves?
This is a falacy
>CNT violence was self defence
No it was murder.They killed priests for no reason,if that is self defence,you should fuck off
>It's the same with property. Property is the theft of labour and resources
Kek,I hope that you let the door of your house open and let people to steal you, other wise you are a slave owner.
Fuck,you people are sick
>>1347210
>This is a falacy
Wage-slavery is a power of life and death. It's slavery.
>No it was murder.They killed priests for no reason,if that is self defence,you should fuck off
The church not only supported the fascists that overthrew a democratically elected government, they had a long history in Spain of repressing all dissent, and hiring gunmen to kill unionised workers. Francisco Ferrer for example was killed for giving a secular education. Salvador Segui was a very moderate gradualist who supported collaboration with the government. He was gunned down by pistoleros, gun thugs hired by employers and clergy. Both these men were pacifists. That's not to mention the accounts of fascist snipers shooting unarmed people from church towers during the uprising in Barcelona.
>Kek,I hope that you let the door of your house open and let people to steal you, other wise you are a slave owner.
>Fuck,you people are sick
Personal property and private property, i.e. what grants a capacity for economic production, are different things.
>>1347220
>Wage-slavery is a power of life and death.
You basically described life itself.Is life slavery?And even then, there are alternatives to employment
>The church not only supported the fascists that overthrew a democratically elected government, they had a long history in Spain of repressing all dissent, and hiring gunmen to kill unionised workers. Francisco Ferrer for example was killed for giving a secular education. Salvador Segui was a very moderate gradualist who supported collaboration with the government. He was gunned down by pistoleros, gun thugs hired by employers and clergy. Both these men were pacifists. That's not to mention the accounts of fascist snipers shooting unarmed people from church towers during the uprising in Barcelona
I am sure that the priest of villages,were the leaders of the church,fucking moron.By the way, your autistic comment could also be applied to priests.And the church supported Franco because republicans were kiling them and burning churches.
>Personal property and private property, i.e. what grants a capacity for economic production, are different things.
First you said property in general.On top of that there is no clear distinction between personal or private property other than autism.A computer is both,and I doubt that you would let people use it, as it has economic productivity.
Basically yo are a sick person,that bases his whole ideas on autistic classifications.
>>1347235
>You basically described life itself.Is life slavery?And even then, there are alternatives to employment
What does this even mean? The alternative to employment is anarcho-syndicalism.
>I am sure that the priest of villages,were the leaders of the church,fucking moron.By the way, your autistic comment could also be applied to priests.And the church supported Franco because republicans were kiling them and burning churches.
The church supported a coup long before that, the coup was partly in fact a response the anti-clerical attitude of the republic.
>I am sure that the priest of villages,were the leaders of the church,fucking moron.By the way, your autistic comment could also be applied to priests.And the church supported Franco because republicans were kiling them and burning churches.
They were a part of the institution and so complicit in its actions. People were killed for giving a secular education by this institution. The Vatican is a tax-free country which exists because of fascism.
>First you said property in general.On top of that there is no clear distinction between personal or private property other than autism.A computer is both,and I doubt that you would let people use it, as it has economic productivity.
>Basically yo are a sick person,that bases his whole ideas on autistic classifications.
Generally when property is referred to on its own, private property is meant. A computer is not land or a factory or a workshop of some kind. Basically you are a sick person, that bases his whole ideas on emotional reasoning and ignores the real suffering and the consequences of current and historical political institutions because you don't have to see it.
>>1347248
Survival is a fundamental aspect of life.Besides,in autism syndicalism,to work,people will have some kind of salary too, making people who dont work to starve.
>The church supported a coup long before that, the coup was partly in fact a response the anti-clerical attitude of the republic.
False,and the anarchists planned a coup with the socialist in 1934.
>Generally when property is referred to on its own, private property is meant.
Only if you are an autist.Most property is what you cll "personal".
>A computer is not land or a factory or a workshop of some kind
It still can produce lots of economic value /allows economic production which is the definition that you gave me
>Basically you are a sick person, that bases his whole ideas on emotional reasoning and ignores the real suffering and the consequences of current and historical political institutions because you don't have to see it.
Do you realise that you call me emotional,and then went into an emotional rant with no basis other than your autism? Fuck you are dumb.
>>1347264
>Survival is a fundamental aspect of life.Besides,in autism syndicalism,to work,people will have some kind of salary too, making people who dont work to starve.
You can work without a boss, you know. If you don't work and expect other people to work for you then you become a boss to a certain extent.
>False,and the anarchists planned a coup with the socialist in 1934.
1. the CNT didn't support that in most places
2. it was literally not a bad thing
>It still can produce lots of economic value /allows economic production which is the definition that you gave me
making some shitty app and then moving money around is not production
>HURR AUTISM
congratulations you have no arguments
>Be me, crypto [apostolic denomination]
>The year 2047
>Everybody in the world is officially evangelical protestant
>We can't call them protestant though because they're just 'christians'
>Go to church
>On the streets mo ads, no signs, no statues on squares
>It's all idolatry
>At church, it an old building where people work through the day
>Now it's a church
>A cross with a shawl in the back
>Some 25yo guy is giving a sermon
>Introduces us to the band
>Talks about love
>They're going to play one of the 100 only authorised songs in society, all from praise and worship CDs
>Everybody stands and sings along with hands rised
>Someone goes on the floor out to mass hysteria
>People look at him
>"Goodness, that's the way [insert some old culture] used to pray to [name of pagan god]! Idolatry!"
>The guy tries to explain how it is written in the bible
>Apparently it is, but the 25yo preacher doesn't interpret it that way
>He gets charged for idolatry
>>1347275
>You can work without a boss
Your point,and besides,this has barely happened.
>If you don't work and expect other people to work for you then you become a boss to a certain extent.
No.
>1. the CNT didn't support that in most places
It supported it in Asturias,the place were the revolution sparked
>2. it was literally not a bad thing
On what basis? It killed thousands of people.Are your cups justified then?
>making some shitty app and then moving money around is not production
Yeah,as computers dont speed up the work greatly or allow to do complex calculations.Then again, how do you value what is and what is not production? A software is way more valueable than bread or a hammer.WHy is the production of software not considered production by you?
>HURR AUTISM
Never said this autist.Just pointed out,that you launched an emotional rant based on your autistic views.
>>1347291
>It supported it in Asturias,the place were the revolution sparked
that was a strike, something which people have a right to do
>On what basis? It killed thousands of people.Are your cups justified then?
It killed thousands of *miners*, they were murdered by the army, all backed up by the church.
>Yeah,as computers dont speed up the work greatly or allow to do complex calculations.Then again, how do you value what is and what is not production? A software is way more valueable than bread or a hammer.WHy is the production of software not considered production by you?
You need bread to live anon, you don't need software to live (nerd).
Computers are personal property, the means of production would be where computers are made.
>>1347300
>that was a strike, something which people have a right to do
They declared a rebellion against the central goverement
>It killed thousands of *miners*, they were murdered by the army, all backed up by the church.
It killed people other than miners too
>You need bread to live anon, you don't need software to live (nerd).
Yu dont need clothes to live nerd,so clothe factories are not private property either.
>the means of production would be where computers are made.
This is autism^10.Computers are a fundamental part of most industrial and administrative process,if you cant see this,then I am done.
>>1347307
>They declared a rebellion against the central goverement
as you do when you go on strike
>It killed people other than miners too
a negligible amount in comparison
>Yu dont need clothes to live nerd,so clothe factories are not private property either.
I said computer factories WERE private property, it's just common sense that things you need to live are more valuable than luxuries.
>This is autism^10.Computers are a fundamental part of most industrial and administrative process,if you cant see this,then I am done.
Software is intellectual property, if I write a book then that doesn't mean paper is a means of production.
>>1347308
>it's just common sense that things you need to live are more valuable than luxuries
Clothes are a luxury.And I doubt that you dont consider them valueable
>Software is intellectual property
And? Do you realise how important it is for any kind of advanced production?
> if I write a book then that doesn't mean paper is a means of production.
Yes it would,without the paper,you wouldnt have created the book, and by your own definition,private property involve economic production,and a book fulfills this description
>>1342266
Libertarianism just means "de facto feudalism"
>>1347325
>Clothes are a luxury.And I doubt that you dont consider them valueable
yes valuable than food
>And? Do you realise how important it is for any kind of advanced production?
no
>Yes it would,without the paper,you wouldnt have created the book, and by your own definition,private property involve economic production,and a book fulfills this description
paper is personal property, the land that trees grow on is needed to produce it and without that you wouldn't have created the paper
>>1347331
*less valuable than food
>>1347331
>yes valuable than food
No,as food is way more available than clothes.Or what do you mean by value?
>no
This explains all
>paper is personal property
By your definition it is also private property
> the land that trees grow on is needed to produce it and without that you wouldn't have created the paper
Your point
>>1347329
>Libertarianism just means "de facto feudalism"
>>1347361
I read it,and again,clothe is way harder to produce than food.Why is food more valueable,if it is way easier to access?
>why is it so important?
Speeds up production and planning by a lot,and helps a lot to measure the quality of some products
>no it isn't that was
Your definition of private property:" what grants a capacity for economic production"
Without papers there is no capacity of creating a book.
>>1347329
Just get the fuck out of here, seriously.
>>1347365
>I read it,and again,clothe is way harder to produce than food.Why is food more valueable,if it is way easier to access?
>Speeds up production and planning by a lot,and helps a lot to measure the quality of some products
why is that?
>Your definition of private property:" what grants a capacity for economic production"
>Without papers there is no capacity of creating a book.
If I just have the few pieces of paper I use to make the first manuscript, I can't print books. When I go to the publisher, they use their private property which is a factory, to turn another thing from private property, which is the land that trees are on, into books. If you just have paper you will run out because paper is produced from somewhere else.
>>1347375
>why is that?
It can be useful to determine the quantity of something,chemical analysis or to perform complex mathematical operations,that are extremelly useful in fields like engineering,which is fundamental to increase productivity,as engineers desing capital.
>If I just have the few pieces of paper I use to make the first manuscript, I can't print books.
You don't need to print a book,for it to have value
>When I go to the publisher, they use their private property which is a factory, to turn another thing from private property, which is the land that trees are on, into books. If you just have paper you will run out because paper is produced from somewhere else.
What?You can get paper through exchange,which I guess,you dont oppose.
>>1347380
>because it is a necessity
Oxygen is a necessity and it has almost no value.The value of something is also affected by its availability.
>>1347388
>It can be useful to determine the quantity of something,chemical analysis or to perform complex mathematical operations,that are extremelly useful in fields like engineering,which is fundamental to increase productivity,as engineers desing capital.
But I want to know specifically why intellectual property does this.
>What?You can get paper through exchange,which I guess,you dont oppose.
For someone to have the paper to give it to me it still needs to come from the land with the trees.
>>1347392
But that's not the sense value is being used in by me.
>>1347394
>But I want to know specifically why intellectual property does this.
Because sofwares allows this advanced methods to happen?
>For someone to have the paper to give it to me it still needs to come from the land with the trees.
And?Are you suggesting that job distribution is bad?
>>1347397
>But that's not the sense value is being used in by me.
What is it then?
>>1347404
>Because sofwares allows this advanced methods to happen?
But I want to know: what is it about intellectual property's relation to economics makes this happen?
>And?Are you suggesting that job distribution is bad?
What do you mean?
>What is it then?
I suppose the importance of something to people.
>>1347411
>But I want to know: what is it about intellectual property's relation to economics makes this happen?
It automates jobs,and allows greater planification.
>What do you mean?
Distribution of jobs.Is it bad for you?
>I suppose the importance of something to people.
On what basis.Oxygen is objectivebly the most important thing for a person,and it really has no value
>>1347418
>It automates jobs,and allows greater planification.
but what in the function of intellectual property makes it do that?
>Distribution of jobs.Is it bad for you?
Do you mean division of labour? What is "distribution of jobs"?
>On what basis.Oxygen is objectivebly the most important thing for a person,and it really has no value
But I don't just mean value in the sense of how much money somebody is willing to pay.
>>1347426
>but what in the function of intellectual property makes it do that?
Makes the machinery work? Software is pretty important m8.
>Do you mean division of labour? What is "distribution of jobs"?
The same thing
>But I don't just mean value in the sense of how much money somebody is willing to pay.
Then again,oxygene is more valueable than food,does it make it more valueable,despite it being free and aveilable t anyone.
>>1347437
>Makes the machinery work? Software is pretty important m8.
But I mean why would it be different if the software was commonly owned?
>The same thing
I guess I oppose it, I wouldn't want to be making a bit of a screw for 8 hours a day my whole life.
>Then again,oxygene is more valueable than food,does it make it more valueable,despite it being free and aveilable t anyone.
I guess so.
>>1347443
>But I mean why would it be different if the software was commonly owned?
This is not what we are discussing.I can create a software that display the chemical components f milk with a sample.This would make my computer private property,so by your logic anyone could use it.
>>1347458
no, it would make the software intellectual property
I want to know why software being intellectual property is better
if you come up with a poem or something, and copyright it then you didn't even necessarily need to write it down
>>1347463
>no, it would make the software intellectual property
And to create it you need means of production
>I want to know why software being intellectual property is better
What?
>if you come up with a poem or something, and copyright it then you didn't even necessarily need to write it down
And?
>>1347478
>And to create it you need means of production
no, you can create a poem like I said without any kind of property
>>1347480
>no, you can create a poem like I said without any kind of property
It is not the case with software.I dont really see what you are trying to prove
>>1347486
software and poems are the same type of property
>>1347487
>software and poems are the same type of property
Why? Still proves nothing as you need a computer to create software,meaning that computer is private property
>>1347499
computers need to be made in a factory as well as paper needs land with trees
>>1347501
>computers need to be made in a factory as well as paper needs land with trees
And?
>>1347511
they aren't private property
>>1347513
>they aren't private property
By your definition they are
You said:
private property, i.e. what grants a capacity for economic production
And a computer does this
>>1347517
but I said factories, land and workshops, which you need to produce a computer
I don't mean economic production of money because then you can just sell anything and call it a means of production, and I don't mean production of intellectual property because you can do that without anything
now can we please stop arguing semantics, which is something you insulted me for
>>1347524
>but I said factories, land and workshops, which you need to produce a computer
>I don't mean economic production of money because then you can just sell anything and call it a means of production, and I don't mean production of intellectual property because you can do that without anything
>now can we please stop arguing semantics, which is something you insulted me for
If your classifications make no sense,we have to discuss them
>>1347539
well my classifications are this: private property is land factories and workshops, which are the starting point and what's necessary for all production
>>1342164
Don't confuse us capitalists pushing for deregulation with the ancaps please.
>>1347541
>private property is land factories and workshops, which are the starting point and what's necessary for all production
And why is the starting point important at all?
>>1347552
because without it you can't make computers or books?
And without computers you cant make software.
>>1347571
that's right, but for everything you need the land, then the factories etc first
>>1347220
>Wage slavery
Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
>>1346687
>>Go to work in myjetpack,as roads arent needed anymore
kek'd lustily, my man.
>>1347578
>that's right, but for everything you need the land, then the factories etc first
You can also say that about the land in which your house was built.As your house occupies land which could have other uses.If we go by this principle,any sedentary society is based around theft
>>1347615
no, you can own the land collectively but put houses which are personal property on it
>>1347578
>the land, then the factories etc first
What's the thing with commies and big factories and huge tracks of land? The economy and the way we do industry changed since the 19th century
>wake up in socialist paradise united states
>apply for job at mcdonalds since my actuary company left the country
>get accepted
>get taxed at 70% because I actually work
>fortunately I can live in burnt down crack houses because the government encouraged reverse gentrification to help minorities
>boss overhears me doing hate speech and fires me
>I contact a union, and they decide to fine the company 17 million dollars for fining me, then they default.
>apply to another job, get accepted
>corporate income tax is at 90% and there are rumors of the fed printing currency to fund a welfare program
>companies aren't allowed to diversify into other currencies, it's a serious criminal offense
>all companies default and their employees go retire in first world countries, complete economic collapse ensues
>Without corporate income tax, electricity companies don't want to work so they go on strike, water purifiers as well
>Our country can't get loans from anybody because our economy is potatoe
>as I lay starving to death in the streets, I reflect on how happy I am that the 1% no longer control the working people.
>>1347627
Food is still grown on land, and the things we buy are still made in factories. Most first-world countries are service economies but communism is internationalist.
Somalia is an example of what at some point may have been an anarcho-capitalist society that eventually degraded into having various armed factions and warlords exacting tithes from various sectors of society. Some benefits of anarcho-capitalist circumstances are still preserved such as the absence of government regulation causing the price of phone services to be lower than those in countries that have government regulations that allow companies to gain monopolies.
Aside from the violence and warfare which many people would be willing to manage with the other main deterrent is famine and drought which might not have been as big of a problem if the country were located somewhere more fertile and not made up of mostly desert.
>>1347639
>violence and warfare which many people would be willing to manage
Really, nigga?
>>1347636
>Food is still grown on land
Mostly.
>and the things we buy are still made in factories.
Modern manufacturing is more complex than "have factory that makes X product".
>The sector is also evolving in ways that make the traditional view—that manufacturing and services are completely separate and fundamentally different sectors—outdated. Service inputs (everything from logistics to advertising) make up an increasing amount of manufacturing activity. In the United States, every dollar of manufacturing output requires 19 cents of services. And in some manufacturing industries, more than half of all employees work in service roles, such as R&D engineers and office-support staff.
>>1347639
Life in somolia is better than some lifes in capitalist countries.
Simple theft or a vehicle accident can mean 40 years of debt slavery. At least somolians can die in combat.
>>1347659
life in some other african countries*
>>1347655
Yes really, see how many fighters flocked to Syria or how little impact public shootings have had on gun legislation in America.
Compared to the Syrian conflict right now Somalia is less turbulent.
The only other real problem is not starving and finding healthcare.
>>1346681
> Libertarian does not mean anarchocapitalism.
Get a book.
Well in the contemporary political sense it doesn't. is the modern libertarian party advocating a stateless society? Last I checked their chosen candidate is advocating some basic reforms on the federal system, nothing more extreme than that
>>1347659
>Life in Somalia
>Better than
>Capitalist countries
What drugs are you on?
>40 years of debt slavery
Well memed my friend
>>1347550
If it looks like a duck...
>>1342178
>frying stray dogs
i love dogs but keked hardly to this
>wake up im trump utopia
>turn over and see my super model wife patented by trump inc
>take an hour to get from bedroom to kitchen in my trump approved mansion
>eat trump-Os
>made with only the most purified liberal tears
>grab my 5 pistols, 4 AR15s
>start up my trump approved sports car
>see that my fuel tank is low
>signal one of my 500 butlers to catch one of the liberals fromt he trump approved liberal cage
>tell them i checked my privilege and am going to go oppress more minorities
>attach funnels to their eyes and let them cry into my car tank
>drive to work
>work at trump approved anti minority wall
>get my guns ready for the daily 12 pm minority run
>if they make it across they get to go to canada
>gun down 50 beaners
>paid 20$ an hour plus 100$ per immagrant killed
>pack it up for the day
>go back to house
>have sex with super model wife
>trump approved viagra is great
>>1347738
Actually there's some truth to this.
A lot of Somalis who settled in South Africa are leaving because they feel it's more dangerous than in their home country.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2013-10-21/somalis-fear-south-african-violence-more-than-war-at-home
Many African nations including neighboring Kenya have comparable food and child mortality problems.
Places like Mexico, El Salvador, Honduras, Guatemala, Venezuela, Colombia and Brazil have higher murder rates. They also share some comparable developmental insufficiencies.
>>1347639
>leftists using failed socialist states as examples of libertarianism
>>1342493
>07/13/14
How is this the first time I have seen that.
>>1347738
he corrected himself the very next post
pls read
>>1347248
>alternative to employment is anarcho-syndicalism.
Beautiful quote m8, truly explains the mentality of all you childish edgelords. It's ok, working at McDonald's won't be THAT bad after you get your _____studies degree, you'll live you cute little sissyboi~
>>1346675
FUCK THIS PIC
COLLEGE SHOULD BE FREE
>>1349802
>>1347639
are you really going to point to Africa for an example of any sort of society? The Somalia example really is the laziest attempt at an argument.
>>1346681
>sorry we can't deregulate or decentralize anything that is practically anarchy.
>>1346675
To be fair, you can't default on student loans so it's a hostage market, and you could intervene in that if you wanted. Most proffessors are autists and the only good thing about college are the certs and internships anyway. He could justifiably intervene in this, supply and demand is not 100% sound. Outside of that bernie is generally retarded.
>>1342493
Ducking brilliant
>>1342178
Some of there happen in Communist China, of all place. To a lesser degree, of course
>>1347632
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