> Europe
> 10 180 000 km2
> still breaking up even today
> China
> 9 596 961 km2
> united thousands years ago
Seriously, why white people can't man up and get their shit together?
>>1336601
Why don't you go back if it's so 'together?'
>>1336608
I am from Europe, just want to understand where we failed in history.
>>1336601
What the fuck are you even asking?
>>1336624
Why China was able to be unified nation while Europe wasn't? They have the same size and China ever have more people.
>>1336601
We're actual humans with actual desires, pasions and ambitions. In a single word: individualism.
>>1336601
The CPC took power after a civil war and revolution. China hasn't been united for thousands of years. What the fuck are you talking about?
>>1336630
china wasn't unified
>>1336601
>China
>Han overpowers multiple ethnic groups and asserts dominance via Mandate of Heaven
>Europe
>Catholics get greedy
>Pope rightfully loses power
>>1336640
> China hasn't been united for thousands of years
>>1336601
Koreans and Chinks are much closer than Greeks and Swedes, yet they're still not united
Your move OP
>>1336613
>>1336601
Yeah no if anything China is the one that failed history.
China is a Civilization pretending to be a nation. Now it was once a very rich & mighty Civilization, though it butt-fucked its own culture and traditions with the Cultural Revolutions. The only real tradition that has stayed around and that continues to drive it forward is the Chinese burecracy's amazing ability to completely lie though its teeth and say everything is fine when the shit has hit the fan.
In all likelihood it will go through another warring states period sometime this century.
>>1336630
Why would Europe ever do that? Also China went through inconceivable death and cultural destruction in order to accomplish "unity". They really shouldn't be a model for anything.
Everytime we tried, Germans or their anglo offshoot ruined it all.
>>1336630
Because the Han managed to subjugate all the other minorities? One ethnic group in Europe doesn't really dominate another.
>>1336652
The people have been far from united.
>>1336652
>>1336601
Nobody believed in pan-Europeanism until recently, because it's fucking retarded. The closest you would have gotten is some "Holy" "Roman" clusterfuck ruled by Habsburgs and the pope spanning the entire continent.
>>1336680
Civil war is exception.
>>1336652
>>1336659
>death
China created a lot more lives than it destroyed. Part of it is due to its administration.
>cultural destruction
What are you tthinking of ?
>>1336601
> united thousands years ago
Chinese would've remembered neverending Civil War that lasted for over 2 decades.
>>1336687
Exception how? The nation isn't united in civil wars.
>>1336652
Europe also had been united not too long ago.
Or should I post Charlemagne?
Don't forget goy that we chinese invented everything and existed with all its territorial demands since 5,000 BC
Being united doesnt mean that you are sucessful.
Just look at russia.
>>1336714
> Russia
> isn't successful
>>1336714
Meh. Imagine Russia not being united before WWII.
>China unites early
>Europe remains divided
>Europe surges ahead technologically and socially to the point where Europe de facto conquers China and British steamboats patrol the Yangtze, passing by Chinese fishing junks that are exactly the same as the ones 500 years ago
>what did Europe do wrong
What is it about human nature that causes them to want to suck authoritarian dick?
It seems that every free country is constantly fighting the deep rooting human desire to not be free.
>>1336720
First world novograd, no one invades because they aren't a bolshevik horde on the cusp of global invasion
>>1336731
> no one invades because they aren't a bolshevik horde
Austria, Czechoslovakia, Poland, BelNiLux, France, English colonies, Denmark, Norway ... Did I miss any other bolshevik horde?
>>1336718
Current day russia is quiete depressing and performs much worse then they should if you think about their ressource wealth.
They need massive surveillance and brutality to supress all the seperatists.
Balkanized clusters of smaller states must not mean poverty and constant warfare, otherwise indochina and europe would never have performed as good as they did in history.
>>1336744
>human nature
>>1336750
> Current day russia
Is the antithesis of united. It's literally half of USSR (population-wise).
>>1336748
Missed the part where you denied holodmor and said hitler wanted to gas 60 million slavs. Its a fact contained in post USSR documents stalin was prepping for a 2nd european invasion, that's why all of eastern europe was axis aligned
Which brings us back to our original point where collaborated, over centralized shit holes are proven inferior states - debate over I won
>>1336766
>USSR
>united
Irredentism such as expanding into the balkans (which were never a part of russia before the USSR) wont unfuck the mafiastate that is russia, neither solve its broken society.
Suck it commiboo, belarus is smaller but in a much better condition.
>>1336729
>one king is authoritarianism
>a dozen kings is freedom
this is stupid
>>1336810
european feudalism underwent several revolutions that made it more freer and the different european nations influenced wach other a lot this regard.
After peasant revolts in france and other places, the holy roman empire for example installed courts for servs to sue their Lords in cases of excessive mistreadment which actually could lead to punishments of the Lords thus reducing revolts substantially.
Later on, french enlightenment values swept over to the HRE and they cooked up their own version of it.
Would france and the german countries be united all the time, there would have been less place for contrasting developements which led to wider pool of societal options to select viability from.
>>1336630
You act like they're united willingly
>>1336801
> balkans
> part of USSR
> belarus
> in a much better condition than during Soviets
>>1336821
> european feudalism underwent several revolutions that made it more freer and the different european nations influenced wach other a lot this regard.
Is this Ukie? It talks like Ukie.
>>1336825
>belarus
>In a much better condition than during Soviets
Yes.
Communism sucks.
https://www.quora.com/Why-did-Belarus-become-independent-from-Russia-if-Russia-is-still-its-best-friend
There is a reason they splitted of when they had the chance, the comments of the belorussians are worh more then your memearrows.
>>1336601
chinese are a breed of slaves that have more in common with ants than actual fully developed human beings
and that's why they're so coehesive and well-consolidated for so long
comparing china to europe is pathetic to say the minimum - one is a beehive, the other is a zoo.
>>1336750
russia has always been like this.
a place of dispair where you can lose all your hope and faith and that's why their people are so easily manipulated by the lowest kind of propaganda (e.g.: stalin is still revered as a hero for the huge majority of russians) and why there will never be any real uprising to make things better there
>>1336630
that may sound stupid but it has allot to do with looks, Chinese are a homogeneous ethnic group, its not a legend that they look the same, they come from a very narrow gene pool
humans are stupid and tribalistc, if you look different they'll assume that you're radically different and will subconsciously classify you as a threat.
racism, xenophobia, nationalism, ....etc, all come from that primitive instinct that has no place in civilization
>>1336858
> this awkward moment when you aren't certain how to explain to the anon realities of the internet
>>1336810
It's true though.
The waves of revolution that freed Europe could never have happened under one unified authority.
>>1336878
>racism, xenophobia, nationalism, ....etc, all come from that primitive instinct that has no place in civilization
believe it or not, this is what keep civilization afloat.
we needed this kind of prejudice in order to be alive, because no defenseless nation lived to this day and even though we don't need it as much as before it's still something we can't erase from ourselves because it's part of our evolutionary path
that's why we're so much in something that we have little contribution to give like national sports, politics, etc
we love the us vs them thing and that's not a inherently bad thing as long it's dosaged properly and gets to be changed after the introdutory first sight reaction
>>1336865
>Europe is a zoo.
Most residents are from
Africa?
>>1336876
Not only stalin, they have all kinds of extremism, communistic, feudalistic, theocratic, fascist as long as it promises grandeur in some way sometimes blending into bizarre combinations.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jVxZr32tGQ
>>1336878
>greatest civilisations were stupid and tribalistic
>greatest civilisations were strucken by xenophobia and nationalism
>nationalism and xenophobia has no place in civilisation
Wat?
>>1336891
which country do you come from?
>>1336914
>pro-russian muslims
Where did they come from? Surely they aren't Chechens or Dagestani?
>>1336931
> haven't read the article
> still posts link
>>1336927
They got Turkic muslim areas in central russia and large communities in their big cities I bet they also convert slavs just as the orthodox do now that the government is pro religion.
>>1336656
this
>>1336729
> be UK
> forgot it has losed it's empire
> Forced by Deng to give back HK on a silver platter as otherwise he will "take the lot in a single afternoon"
> Tried to force China to release one of its citizens in 2009 for drug smuggling and in the end got him executed. Threw a tantrum but no one cared
> Sucked up to China along with all other EU states to join the AIIB as they don't want to Chinese investments to stop
> Sucked up even harder to Xi Jin Ping to attract more investment
> Gave Xi Jin Ping a grand tour of London without saying a single thing that would dare offend him as that's not how you kowtow, something Britain's ancestors refused to do
> Meanwhile each EU member state attempts to kowtow in their own way to attract Chinese investment, with secret negotiations/trade agreement...undermining the whole point of the European UNION
> however now that Britain left the EU, a union that gave EU states power through UNITY against great powers, it's bargaining power against countries like China is less than before, if it had any at all
> what did Europe do wrong
Well at least from the perspective of the Chinese, nothing.
>>1336687
>five dynasties
>ten kingdoms
>three kingdoms
>northern and southern dynasties
>warring states
t. chink
>>1337344
>England is still a much better place to live in than China
>>1336601
what is his turning into
>>1336858
The only reason they split is a Soviet administrative structure. If there were no -SSRs, Russia would take both Belarussia and Ukraine
>>1336927
Chechens are now "best Russian muslims"
>>1337368
>5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms
Civil War
>Three Kingdoms
Civil War
>Nanbeichao
Civil War
>Warring States
China didn't exist yet.
You sure did prove his point.
>>1338608
>Civil war spanning centuries
Oh, I guess Europe is just in the period of civil war since the Rome fell. Don't worry lads, we'll be back in a bit.
>>1336630
Chinaproper has a large flat landmass in the north, with less access to coastline, and is geographically isolated by Tibet in the west and Great Wall in the north. The southern hills can also be the buffer zone against rarely unified SEAsians. Thus it's way easier to unite than Europe.
>>1338621
>Civil war spanning centuries
Yes.
Because those dynasties weren't ethnic groups wanting to be independent or something of each other, they were warring parties vying for control of the whole thing: the Mandate of Heaven to rule China as per their culture. Millions died during those periods.
Which is why Chinese History is divided into Ancient, Imperial, and Modern.
>Ancient - No China yet. The Soon To Be Chinks lived in separate states in what will be China Proper but with a common cultural trend similar to Indian peoples/Medieval Europe.
>Imperial -Qin conquers all of those states. Qin and Han dynasties create the idea of China. As in the land under one state and one emperor.
>Modern China- Post-Qing to today's China
And Europe =/= China. As for Europe,abandoned the Roman Empire Schtick during the Medieval Ages save for a couple of autists in Germany so its not quite the equivalent.
>>1338644
>>1338621
Only the Northern and Southern Dynasties spanned centuries due to the terrible level of infighting mixed with foreign Turkic invasions...and the same Turkic invaders infighting as well. The Three Memedoms lasted 60 years while the 5 Dynasties and 10 Kingdoms period was like a 50 year period. But anon is right: these were periods of civil war where the rule of the country was up for grabs due to China's Free-For-All style justification for who gets the Mandate of Heaven.
>>1338644
>ancient imperial and modern
>not 6th grade level
>Yu~Xia
Myth mixed with archaeological evidence, tho no scriptures found
>Shang~Spring&Autumn
Tribal leagues transitioning to 13th century European feudalism
>Warring States~Sui
Imperial forces fighting feudal cucks back and forth
>Sui~Tang
Imperial forces finally found out a way to due with feudal cucks: through imperial examination. By the end of this period the feudal cucks had their last struggle and were exterminated by mobs
>Song
20+% urbanization+rare appreciation for merchants and lightly(centrist left)regulated market+limited power of emperors+no more provincial warlords+elitist bureaucracy=1700s Europe's per capita industrial output(basically the best you can get without steam engine)+cumbersome military maneuver
>Yuan
Libertards' wet dream. Literally survivalist mode for non Mongols.
>Ming~Qing
Both started with agriculturalist policies but ended with Song-ish economy that might have been possible to independently modernize if given 150 more years each.
>Beiyang clique Republic
Masterrace.
>Nationalist republic
Literally Mafia tier
>Maoist Republic
Closet anarchist's failed social experiment. Not so commie desu.
>Post Mao republic
Daily reminder that real estate developers sabotaged more traditional architectures than cultural revolution did
>>1336687
No retard
>>1336601
Yellow nigga, read a history book. Torrent one outside of your country's border and try to ignore the Hong Kong protesting for their freedom.
>>1336878
You've never seen the Chinese attitude towards their minority have you?
>>1339496
Let me guess...meme Tibetans and Uyghurs who have rebel groups yes?
>China has 50something ethnic minorities.
>monitor two due to rebel group presence.
>muh oppression of all minorities.
>>1336698
Post Napoleonic France :^)
>>1336667
>Germanics
>>1339496
>Chinese attitude towards their minority have you?
Implying you can tell most minorities apart from Han without an ID card.
>>1339496
>>1339518
The minority situation in China is actually quite complex. It varies from "cute little minority that we in secret think are really stupid" (Qiang, Zhuang, etc.) to "who gives a shit" (Manchu, Korean) to "assimilate these bastards ASAP" (Uyghur, Tibet).
There's also a bit of resentment of Han Chinese towards minorities since there are affirmative action programs that give minorities an advantage for a highly competitive college admissions system.
The Chinese ones have fragmented and rejoined as much as Europeans. Europe as a collective civilisation has never truly collapsed. This idea that China is one continuous civilisation is bullshit only believed because of a western slant on history, with more focus on European history we see the more intricate specific details of various cultures and nations, while China, looking more foreign, appears on the surface to just be one homogeneous culture. In reality they have split and unified many times, and they share a cultural history, as do Europeans. There's a reason Americans, much to the annoyance of Europeans, clump every nation in Europe just as "Europe", clumping Brits and French together, or Germans and Italians, because from the outside, it can look like a singular culture. You could say the Chinese had the Han empire which was basically China. Yes but Europe had the Roman empire which was basically Europe, we had Charlemagne's empire, the father of Europe, we even recently had Napoleon almost unite Europe again.
>>1339518
Those two minorities have held nearly 50% of China's landmass.
>>1339568
>Roman Empire
Thats all Europe has that is similar to China.
Then afterwards it was all "muh tribe/kingdom/duchy/march/city state" and insisting on the special freedoms of these groups and bawwing whenever someone tries to group the lot together in short lived empires.
>>1339568
The difference is that a population with the genetic diversity of Europe view themselves as a single ethnic group sharing common descent through mythical sage kings.
The historical definition of Han was limited to northern China.
Hmong Mien,Kra Dai,Austro Asiatic and maybe even Austronesian form the substratum of southern Sinitic languages.
Southern Sinitics don't view themselves as assimilated natives there's a reason why previous non Sinitic entities(Min,Wu,Yue) are all just toponyms.
Anyone with even a passing knowledge on less-modern Chinese history would know they divide pretty often. Chu-Han, Three-Kingdoms, those three kingdoms fragmenting like hell in some way or another, the Jin succession affair afterwards, and other such. Sorry, buddy.
>>1336601
>united thousands years ago
Yeah, the last warlord era ended 60 years ago but it is united for 1000 years for real xD
>>1336788
>all of eastern europe was axis
Except the parts of it Germans invaded together with Soviets or gave it to Stalin to take over as a sign of good will.
Not that Hitler needed an excuse to attack USSR other than that the resource transports stopped coming after "mere" 6 months of buying them on credit.
>>1336878
>Chinese are a homogeneous ethnic group, its not a legend that they look the same, they come from a very narrow gene pool
Wew
Han Chinese is a variety of different ethnic groups that have been blended together through intermarriage after forced resettlements whenever a smaller tribe/ethnic group got defeated and dispersed within the empire.
>>1336927
Tartars(who are more opposed to muslim immigration than ordinary orthodox muslims), pacified Checens and Dagestani(pacified mostly on basis on not wanting to live in Caliphate) and various Turkic people.
>>1339578
China would be the equivalent of the Roman empire fragmenting but reunifying multiple times.
If the Roman Empire was able to unify and expand then there's a possibility that Romance would be far more widespread than it is today.
Another factor is that natives and foreigners alike would have to be subsumed into the greater Roman identity that doesn't allow rival polities.(There's no equivalent of Sinitic speakers seceding from the dynasty,they would try to claim the mandate of heaven for themselves)
>>1336687
china has been more or less in civil war for practically it's whole existence. it's not an exception in any means.
>Seriously, why white people can't man up and get their shit together?
The funny thing is that the West dominates and the East doesn't because Europe had such a high level of internal competition. China is a victim of its own hegemony
>>1336668
So they didn't all believe in the divinity of the mandate of heaven, or at least obey the emperor?
>>1336601
>why white people can't man up and get their shit together?
They literally conquered more lands and territories tthan any other races.
>>1342498
Couldn't exactly hold onto them.
>>1338643
I always thought inland china was a shitfest of gullys and roads that are no good for transportation and that was why Napoleon went on about no land wars in asia?
>>1342498
JAPAN STRONG
Mainland China basically "united" the same way as Germany did, Military power. See example of Tibet and Xinjiang. Both are forced to be "united" by the PLA.
why are people still seriously replying to this race baiting thread?
>>1336601
Adolf and Bonaparte tried it, but eternal anglo fucked it up.
>>1336878
You know funnily enough, as an Asian from Asia i used to have problems telling Europeans apart. I had to remember people based on their hair and eye colour. The worst were blond girls because they all blended into each other.
>>1336601
look at the geography
china is all surrounded by geographical barriers and of the same general culture, europe is connected to tons of different regions and has been invaded countless times with people of different cultures settling in certain points of it.
