Are racism and genocide direct byproducts of accepting the evolutionary theory?
>>1331779
>Did racism exist before 1859?
You can't be serious.
>>1331784
yep he's serious
I dunno, how much influence did the theory evolution have on this?
>>1331779
Nah that's just christian brainwashing.
Pretty sure humans have genocided people who looked different from them since before history.
>>1331784
>>1331792
I meant a significant increase in racism. Of course it existed before then. I was meaning did it basically add fuel to the fire?
When did Western racism arise anyway, beyond the usual xenophobia that everyone felt towards everyone else? I know Muslims had it centuries earlier.
>>1331807
When we found out we needed someone to harvest our suger on our brand new sugar plantations in America.
>>1331800
>I meant a significant increase in racism.
Then the answer is no.
And just FYI, Darwin didn't coin the term survival of the fittest either. It was Herbert Spencer, an economist among other things. Social Darwinism was a subversion of the theory of evolution. A fad excuse to be racist in a long history of excuses.
>>1331800
eh, in some ways. It lead the way to beliefs in things such as eugenics that were used to justify the holocaust and racism in general. But people are always going to try to justify their hatred of one another, because if you have an irrational hatred of a group of people then you're a bad person; no one wants to be a bad person.
It supports racism. If we evolved different bone structures, hair texture, lactose and alcohol tolerance, fat tissues reparation , it doesn't seem likely that physical and intellectual abilities stayed identical across the whole species.
But not genocide, which is a purely political question.
>>1331792
>>1331784
Silver is a byproduct of lead mining but can also be found by itself.
>>1331809
More or less this.
Before that religious differences were the really big issue.
>>1331807
Western racism? Do you mean the racism from white Europeans to Africans? that arose because people needed an excuse for slavery.
>>1331807
That was environmental bigotry like the Greeks . Not racism
>>1331810
>>1331817
Haeckel played a significant part in it too, didn't he?
>>1331807
When they encountered subsaharans and abos in large numbers and thought "Wow, these people are extremely primitive in intellect."
>>1331824
a huge one, yes. Nietzsche did too, indirectly and accidentally.
>>1331941
I always found it interesting how so many people confuse Darwin's ideas with Haeckel's. Must be because he was more popular among laymen.
>>1331941
Nietzsche's sister was the one that tried to make his work look like it supported her political views?
>>1331797
The slave trade? None, it was just a big market of cheap and easy slaves and the tribes were willing to sell.
if anything evolution and genetics in general helped reduce racism
beforehand after all there was no objective proof all of humanity was the same species so it was significantly easier to dehumanize others
>>1331820
"Although the existing races of man differ in many respects, as in colour, hair, shape of skull, proportions of the body, &c., yet if their whole organisation be taken into consideration they are found to resemble each other closely in a multitude of points. Many of these points are of so unimportant or of so singular a nature, that it is extremely improbable that they should have been independently acquired by aboriginally distinct species or races. The same remark holds good with equal or greater force with respect to the numerous points of mental similarity between the most distinct races of man. The American aborigines, Negroes and Europeans differ as much from each other in mind as any three races that can be named; yet I was incessantly struck, whilst living with the Fuegians on board the Beagle, with the many little traits of character, shewing how similar their minds were to ours; and so it was with a full-blooded negro with whom I happened once to be intimate." - Charles Darwin, "The Descent of Man"
>>1331779
No, there are byproducts of accepting national states instead of multicultural ones.
>>1331807
When the bourgeoisie found it profitable to divide the proletariat via "race", and to enslave Africans for essentially free labor.
>>1331779
Human ideas of racism and murder have nothing to do with a natural process.
>>1332410
Where can I buy the honor killing rocks t-shirt?
>>1332410
Why? Nationalism is just cringe at this point...
>>1332467
ISIS.CUM m8
>>1332565
shill
>>1332410
Who would win a fight between Honor Killing Rocks, Kill Whitey and Death To The Infidels?
>>1332577
My money is on Kill Whitey: 2 guns, even if his aim is bad he can mow down teh other two and then the white family.
Honor Killings could do some damage if he got to you but Whitey's puffy jacket might give him a bit of stopping power.
Death to Infidels is the wildcard because if he got a running start, even if Whitey shot him up me might be able to get close enough to deliver the grenade.
Racism in the modern sense was invented to support slavery.
Genocide in the modern sense has happened since forever.
>>1332565
Secular Arab and eastasian nationalists seem to be quiete serious imo.
Its just that every more radical political movement in the west has become cringe at this point.
>>1332573
Why would teh j00s pay reasonable people to argue with stubborn morons on a Hmong Flipbook Board?
Surely for how many times I've seen the accusation "shill" teh j00s would be bankrupt by now.
No, you just don't have a reasonable discourse, and so would rather insinuate some idiotic conspiracy.
>>1332614
>Racism in the modern sense was invented to support slavery.
Then reinvented to support the cause or reason of the day.
Anyone wanna try to break this down?
http://creation.mobi/apartheid-and-the-cradle-of-humankind
>>1332028
I had sex with a black woman?
>>1332829
Most likely.
>>1331779
It definitly would have advanced humanity if abos had actually been hunted down
They're barely human at all with their 60 average IQ
People love to call Africans inferior but abos are just another level
>>1331822
>that arose because people needed an excuse for slavery.
The fact they were living like literal chimps in mudhuts didn't help their cause
>>1332573
Cuck.
>>1332108
>DA JOOOOOOOS
>>1332933
>what are socio economic factors?
>implying that there have been no black scientists/ aboriginal politicians.
T. /pol/fag.
Well it's undeniable that Darwinian social theories had a massive influence on the ideology of Nazism.
>“Darwinism by itself did not produce the Holocaust, but without Darwinism... neither Hitler nor his Nazi followers would have had the necessary scientific underpinnings to convince themselves and their collaborators that one of the worlds greatest atrocities was really morally praiseworthy.”
― Richard Weikart, From Darwin to Hitler: Evolutionary Ethics, Eugenics, and Racism in Germany
>>1332942
>hi I'm from /pol/ and know absolutely nothing about african history
>>1332942
>muh chimps
What was the Mali Empire? The Ethiopian Empire?
>>1332942
T. /pol/fag who knows sweet fuck all about African history.
I bet you deny the holocaust happened too you subhuman cunt.
>>1332963
This source sounds fucking retarded. Hitler didn't need Darwin to convince anyone of anything.
>>1332963
So basically social Darwinism gave them an excuse for mass genocide? I think they also believed in polygenism.
>>1332966
>What was the Mali Empire?
A joke
Their capital city was literally made out of mud
Sure it was an empire compared to the nearby villages, but the smallest european city-state could have conquered it in a day
>>1333003
>>1333007
He was also a Christian.
>>1332986
Didnt answer my question about the Ethiopian Empire.
Also
>implying mud wasn't practical
>muh European superiority.
Ok lad.
>>1333018
10/10
>>1333003
>>1333008
I love these
>>1333034
Have some more.
>>1333036
I remember seeing these two at my grandmother's house when I was younger.
>>1333042
In what sense? The replies or the pictures themselves?
>>1333042
That's what makes them so great
>>1332565
This. I'd rather have the vitriolic nationalism of the 19th and 20th centuries than the cringey millennial /pol/ memesters that I have to deal with seeing on Twitter because of my angsty younger cousins.
>>1333060
Here here.
>>1333011
Hitler wasn't a Christian at all anon.
>>1333047
lol I feel like the comics contradict themselves. But they don't fully grasp that themselves.
Its like when I read a book and the writer is trying to convey a stupid person. But they way they do that is by making the stupid person a strawman.
>>1332953
>oy vey the goyim know get the memes out
>>1333060
plz post a tweet from the cringe nationalists. I need to see
>>1333078
Alright then. I think some of his officials were trying to find some evidence that they were descended from Atlanteans. They found that they and the Tibetans shard quite a bit in common when it came to skull shape.
>>1333078
Yeah, he was. Definitely not the most devout man ever, but a christian none the less.
>>1333103
Jesus Christ...
>>1333108
You have no idea.
>>1332139
>>1331809
>>1331822
>>1331823
>this meme
People have been racist way before the slave trade.
Romans had racist ideas of the Nubians, and Arabs travelers of the 8th and 9th century characterized blacks as lazy and indolent beasts, worth for nothing more than bondage.
Even the Natives that had accepted Christianity were still treated like shit
>>1333086
Yes, his colleagues in the Thule Society claimed to have connections with a Lodge in Tibet who were in league with the ancient Aryan super race from Atlantis who now lived deep underground in caverns. Occultism was only an aesthetic to Hitler though. Himmler was the true occultist. Hitler was first and foremost a Darwinian Eugenicist.
>>1333102
He genuinely wasn't a Christian at all. I don't know where you're getting this information.
>>1333084
They're usually small, angsty Twitter profiles with maga hat anime/pepe avatars, that like to focus on white genocide and have a boner for trump.
I'll be sure to avoid posting any actual accounts on here but you can probably just find them with their aforementioned avatars retweetig @nero, it's an interesting game because it gets incredibly cringey.
>>1332565
>dude we're all just one global village lmao
Just because edgy 14 year olds have flocked to its banners doesn't make it cringy
>>1333127
That's a potent mix.
>>1333138
no but it makes it more apparent.
>>1333128
lmaoooooooooooooo thank you anon.
>>1333141
Also, it should be noted that even though Darwin said that eugenics would ensure genetic stability, it would also take away what made us special in the first place: the instinct of sympathy, "the noblest part of our nature."
What's /his/ opinion on that video?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K63PN2bxAXE
You can't deny he's right
>>1333154
you need to shut up
like actually.
>>1333176
> being this triggered
>>1333176
Uh why exactly? That's a pretty cogent point he made.
>>1333176
So evolution is a myth now too, it's also a social issue important to all of us. Is there any shit the alt right won't eat up at this point.
>>1333175
Agree with him for the first part but he got carried away.
The simple reason we shouldn't apologize for slavery is because we personally didn't do it
>>1333154
Darwin matters as much to the theory of natural selection as any previous biologist who didn't have all the facts. His influence ends and begins where he contributed to it. Science is not a field where all worship the past, Darwin very much has little to do with Biology apart from what he observed which is still accurate. Any claim to the contrary shows a lack of understanding how academia works, in which case why comment on it.
>>1333189
Evolution should be regarded in terms of what it actually provides, which is only an exterior understanding of mechanistic functions that yields no real insight into the interior nature of the human experience.
>>1333198
Science is not about what it provides for you or others, you are not entitled to the labor of scientists in pursuit of truth, whether or not you disagree with it.
>>1333197
Many of Darwin's colleagues went on to institute the most prominent ideologies of racial supremacy throughout western society in the early and mid 20th century, including his cousin Francis Galton who pioneered the ideology of Eugenics and his son Leonard Darwin who called for mass scale eugenics reform in society. It isn't a matter of worshiping the past, but a matter of acknowledging the effect Darwinian social theories have had on civilization.
>>1333204
There's just a dangerous arrogance that comes with scientism that outright rejects the entire collective yield of human effort and accumulated knowledge throughout our history in favor for a reductionist conception of the human experience that only urges us towards ignorance.
>>1333206
>Many of Darwin's colleagues went on to institute the most prominent ideologies of racial supremacy throughout western society in the early and mid 20th century, including his cousin Francis Galton who pioneered the ideology of Eugenics and his son Leonard Darwin who called for mass scale eugenics reform in society
Let me repeat myself, so I'm clear. Darwin matters as much to the theory of natural selection as any previous biologist who didn't have all the facts. His influence ends and begins where he contributed to it. Science is not a field where all worship the past, Darwin very much has little to do with Biology apart from what he observed which is still accurate. Any claim to the contrary shows a lack of understanding how academia works, in which case why comment on it.
>It isn't a matter of worshiping the past, but a matter of acknowledging the effect Darwinian social theories have had on civilization.
They have had little, Europe wasn't a nation of saints before Darwin, it wouldn't be after. Before blacks were told they were inferior because they had the mark of Cain, or what have you biblical nonsense. Uneducated people, especially during that time, would latch onto anything to explain their fear and hatred.
Science has no politics, and accusing it of having such is fruitless.
>>1333211
You can have skepticism for science, without sticking your head so far up your ass you actually convince yourself natural selection is nothing but a myth and a political agenda. That it somehow makes you morally righteous to deny it somehow. That takes arrogance, I too hate.
>>1333214
not him but I think there is a mix up.
Science itself has no politics that much is true. But aspects of it are cherry picked and appropriated to give social theories weight. That is undeniable.
>this is what creationists actually believe.
This is why people leave the church.
>>1333214
Can you really separate science from the scientists who actively molded it to doctrines of racial supremacy though? I don't think these ideologies are as sanitized from reality as you wish them to be. How much can you really separate the concept of Darwinian evolution and the ideologies of social Darwinism and Eugenics?
>“Dedicated to the memory of MY FATHER. For if I had not believed that he would have wished me to give such help as I could toward making his life's work of service to mankind, I should never have been led to write this book.”
>“Of all the problems which will have to be faced in the future, in my opinion, the most difficult will be those concerning the treatment of the inferior races of mankind.”
>“My firm conviction is that if wide-spread Eugenic reforms are not adopted during the next hundred years or so, our Western Civilization is inevitably destined to such a slow and gradual decay as that which has been experienced in the past by every great ancient civilization. The size and the importance of the United States throws on you a special responsibility in your endeavours to safeguard the future of our race. Those who are attending your Congress will be aiding in this endeavour, and though you will gain no thanks from your own generation, posterity will, I believe, learn to realize the great dept it owes to all the workers in this field.”
― Leonard Darwin, The Need For Eugenic Reform
>>1333222
Religious belief is far more guilty of unskeptical thought to push agendas. There's few things I can't stand, but creationism is one of few.
>>1333138
Nationalism is just a useful tool to get lonely fools to get riled up over nothing.
>>1333217
Can you do the same in regards to the sacred texts of spiritual Tradition the knowledge of the ancients?
>>1333232
>Can you really separate science from the scientists who actively molded it to doctrines of racial supremacy though?
Yes, instantly. Just like that. No support for his work that hasn't been backed up totally without being called dubious, and no support that isn't skeptical being considered unthorough. Just like that.
If you want to scream about organizations pushing racist colonial agenda, it certainly didn't start with Darwin.
>>1333237
>nothing
Hello my judean friend.
BTW I guess 52% of the UK are lonely fools as well?
>>1333241
I think you're just in denial of how great an influence Darwinian theories had on ideologies of racial supremacy and ideologies of Eugenics, including Nazi Eugenics. Are you just as willing to separate religious and philosophical thought from those who mold it to their own duplicitous ends as well?
>>1333252
This reminds me of people who blame guns for any crime involving guns. The theory is there, what you choose to do with such information is your choice.
>>1333263
Guns aren't an ideology that has permeated throughout all sectors of Western thought anon. I think you just don't want to acknowledge the dehumanizing effect the ideology has had on our society.
>>1333252
>>I think you're just in denial of how great an influence Darwinian theories had on ideologies of racial supremacy and ideologies of Eugenics, including Nazi Eugenics
And you are in denial about the Christian Church causing more. It's bullshit to scream at Christianity over mass death. It's bullshit to scream about the pursuit of truth causing mass death.
Arguing it is pointless, before there was this, there were people justifying slavery and colonialism in Africa with speculation from the bible.
>>1333250
Are you saying 52% brits voted out because of nationalism? Here i was thinking they voted out because they thought they could run the country better.
>>1333274
>dehumanizing effect
We were doing that long before Darwin came along
>>1333275
I'm not in denial about what the Catholic Church has done at all, in any era of history. I'm just as critical of organized religion as I am of the institutions of science in our society, which you seem to be dogmatically protective of.
>>1333279
I disagree. Even our brutality was more human before we scientifically viewed each other as animals.
>>1333284
I'm not dogmatically protective of science, I'm dogmatically against people who believe the Earth was 6,000 years old because that's fucking retarded
>>1333285
Sure?
>>1333286
Yeah, that's not me though. You're just fighting non existent spooks while ignoring the very real criticisms I'm levying against these ideologies. Every single time I try to criticize concepts of scientific thought, the person I'm talking to shuts down and starts having flashbacks of talking to their grandfather or something.
>>1333285
Nigga have you seen what people did to each other before Darwin? Just look up medieval torture for funsies
>>1333292
You're going about criticizing academia in the wrong ways.
>>1333295
Yes, I'm well aware of the brutality of humanity. I don't define humanity in sentimental terms, as if what is human is only what is sympathetic and nice. Even our savagery is uniquely human. Ritual child sacrifice to the furnace of Moloch is a uniquely human act.
>>1333298
What do you mean?
>>1333123
In the case of the Arabs, I think that may have been in part because they were enslaving sub-Saharan Africans before it was even cool. There's a definite connection between slavery as an institution and racist attitudes that you can see by looking at Asia - in China, for example, most references to sub-Saharan African peoples are generally neutral or positive up until China's brief stint with Black slavery, when they immediately started to characterize them as indolent, lazy, stupid etc. The same sort of thing happened in Japan with Blacks brought in by Europeans.
I don't think it's consciously contrived so much as a partly unconscious reaction to the circumstances. When you're interacting with someone as an equal there's no problem with portraying them as worthy, but once they're enslaved it's easier to characterize them as simple-minded and child-like because that way you don't have to deal with the fact that you are denying freedom to a human being just as worthy as you, moreover with the sole objective of your own enrichment, and can furthermore even frame it as a benevolent act.
It's kind of like how guys who work in factory farms tend to treat pigs with casual violence and cruelty, because the circumstances of their work prevent them from acknowledging that animals are capable of suffering, or that the suffering of animals is meaningful.
>>1333176
>DELET THIS
>>1333237
>>1333278
Nationalism is the strongest tool the people have to resist multinational corporations from robbing everyone and turning the world into one big South American hellhole.
If you seriously can't understand why trade deals like NAFTA and the EU would create more nationalism, you're either clinically retarded or a corporate shill yourself.
>>1331824
TFW Mittellander
>>1333402
To add on to this, the Greeks never portrayed the Aethiopians with any degree of racism in their portrayals of them in myth. Aethiopia was just one of many kingdoms within the tapestry of their world, the southern most Kingdom of the Trojan Empire. The Aethiopis portrays the Demigod King Memnon as a noble and heroic figure who stands as the only true rival to Achilles in the entirety of the Trojan War.
Andromeda, the princess of Aethiopia is even portrayed as having beauty to rival the beauty of a Goddess, and becomes the Queen of Perseus in Argos and bears a lineage of Mycenaean Kings
>>1333003
Adam was the first cro-magnon, his mother was a soulless humanlike she-ape.
>>1331779
There have been people who drew that conclusion from naive interpretations of early evolutionary theory, but the theoretical support hasn't really been strong. Today it's well understood that evolution can lead to cooperation as well as competition.
>>1333441
>Aethiopians
>black
They may have black skin but they are white.
>>1333237
I would agree with you but allowing low IQ third world savages to my city is against my interest.
Unlike most "intellectuals" recognizing I live in a privileged position makes me want to defend it instead of committing suicide because of guilt.That's why I support nationalism.
Machine gun the fucking refugee boats
>>1333504
Also, somehow this also happened?
>>1333500
What do you mean? Are you referring to their adherence to Greek culture and traditions.
>>1333507
>Machine gun the fucking refugee boats
This seems like a rational, well thought out position.
>>1331824
tfw Nassenaffe
>>1333550
Why not a lot of countries do shit like that without consequences.
>>1333551
The Kushites were caucasoids?
>>1333539
And this.
If you deny evolution, you must commit suicide.
>>1332971
>T.
>>1333500
DEY WUZ WHITE NOISE SHIET
Bump
it's kind of amazing it's possible to breed with them
>>1331779
genocide is a direct byproduct of intellect coupled with fear
>>1334413
Great people can support bad ideas. Just look at this guy.
>>1332591
Death to Infidels WANTS to die, Kill Whitey wants to live. A man can keep running unless the bullet hits the brain, spine, or knee cap or some shit. My money is on Death to Infidels.
>>1331779
I am fairly certain that the Hebrews had no knowledge of Evolution when they slaughtered the Midianites (Numbers 31).
>>1332962
>What is the bells curve?
>Implying those few abo politicians are pure abos
>>1331824
>>1334520
HAHA BUT IT'S NOT TRUE [INSERT HERE] IT DOESN'T WORK/HAPPEN/[INSERT HERE] LIKE THAT
never underestimate the mental gymnastics of pseudo-intellectuals
>>1334528
name one pure blooded abo then that is successfull
>>1334537
read the post again, pseudo-intellectuals aka neo-liberals will go deeper and deeper into the rabbit hole over time, even if you have the proof of something they'll shrug it off and blame the problem on something else, until you prove that is wrong, in which they'll blame something else again
>>1333285
Are you insane? People used to take their kids to executions and public torture of criminals because it was that one time of year something interesting happened in their small village of bumfuck nowhere 1400's Europe.
>>1334429
What?
>>1334651
That's AronRa, reallt swell guy. He dealth with creationists for the longest time but decided to subscribe to 3rd wave feminism (cancer).
>>1335168
*Dealt
>>1333250
>Not adding a beard to John Green
>>1333116
>How to insist that acknowledging facts is bad and dangerous
>>1333263
God reactionary western political cartoonists are the most cringeworthy assholes alive.
>>1333116
what the fuck
>>1333579
And a lot of countries murder people for being gay, we shouldn't reduce ourselves to the lowest common denominator.
>>1333188
The fact that people share a parody of a blue-pilled conspiracy theorist in earnest is hilarious.
>>1335199
Actually not many countries do that anymore.
And the ones that do, you dont wanna get too many refugees from because they carry the culture with them that has made their homecountry a place were you get killed for liking the dick.
I remember there was some genocide in ancient china were the han's killed all people (around 100.000+) that grew beards and had high cheekbones in some country.
Even other han's who had these phenotypes due to having a mixed ancestry from long ago.
Oh those crazy paleoartists.
>>1335168
A guy who calls himself AronRa is cancer... I'm so shocked.
>>1335191
I don't know, there's this guy who works for VG (norwegian newspaper, it's garbage) who's bretty gudd.
>>1332139
Literally the only guy that really understands the great picture here.
>>1335224
I like how this comic in absolutely no way refutes the fact that creationists are lying, it merely says it doesn't matter that they are lying
>>1335323
Your trip testifies your authority to judge this >muh monolithic proletariat post above the others completely.
Well done Lord of reason, well done.
>>1335329
Creations are in this weird spot where they are obligated to provide rebuttals to criticism but do not value logic or reason. So their "humorous turnabouts" essentially consist of "But the Bible says..." with a wink and a shrug.
>>1335367
It's worse for Christians who don't subscribe to YEC. They make it out like their way is the only right way to live and anything else can cause you to slip away from your relationship with God.
>>1335390
Don't forget stuff like this.
>>1333102
He wasn't Christian at all though. Just because he was raised catholic due to obvious reasons doesn;t mean he was catholic himself, by that logic he would also consider himself Austrian rather than what he really considered himself (a Volksdeutsche)
>>1333550
Violence is rarely the correct solution but it sure is the simplest
>>1335390
I don't get this one. Can someone explain?
>>1335505
Are they supposed to mean something? I assumed they were just LOL RANDUMB.
>>1335505
Basically they're claiming that if you give into the idea that the earth is much older than 6,000 years, that it may cause you to lose your faith and turn from God.
Tl;dr
Listen to us or you'll lose your faith. Standard YEC guilt trip.
>>1335507
Pretty sure they're meant to be serious pro-creationism arguments.
>>1335521
Nah, they're satire. No-one is that stupid.
>>1335505
The artist thinks that scientific theories about the age of the earth are dangerous and incompatible with literal biblical YEC model.
Three different definitions of kind? Hmm....
>>1335526
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
Actually these are more of an Inverse Poe's Law, in that they are genuine but appear to be parody.
>>1335526
I can assure you that answers in genisis is a very serious organisation.
Bump
Racism is a cultural byproduct
With little to no culture, a man wpuld just consider trade, rape killing, et cetera with a spice of grain
>>1333227
Is there any data how usual it is for people to move from Evolution to Creatonism?
>>1336215
None that I can find. However, I do know that many of the younger generation are moving away from the church, and people like Ham and Hovind are to blame. Dawkins wishes he could bring as many people away as they have.
>>1333500
yup, looks white to me
>>1336257
Dawkins is as bad for atheists as Ham is for believers as well.
>>1336257
Was it Ben Franklin who said that it was apologists that do the most damage to a faith?
Bumpin this here thread.
>>1331800
that would mean that people are more racist now than they were before darwin, thats also false btw
>>1332410
yeah buddy, sure, every brown person is a terrorist and every white person is a propaganda poster from the 1960s, for a person from the uk i would expect you to know what a chav is, im pretty sure theyre all white or do they not count as proud british people anymore? its like different people live in different countries and not everyone fits one description right?
>>1331779
The scientification (is this an actual term?) of knowledge and thought certainly changed the nature of prejudice and discrimination.
>>1331800
It just gave racists an excuse based on poorly understood evolutionary theory.
>>1339746
It also doesn't help that the social sciences had little Quality control so anything some well known guy said became the topic of the day and people scrambled to implement it as policy.
Like in the Social sciences it's the opposite of the Hard Sciences. It's practice into theory rather then theory into practice so unlike the latter if your theory is shit or missing something it's thrown out instantly or altered and subject to Academic scrutiny. For the Social Sciences it can take years before we can come up with a solid theory explaining why x shit happens. In the past the former the guy has a set of beliefs then set out to do the research where it confirms his belief and then you make up a theory that aligns with your belief and since back then academic rigour wasn't applied like it should to the social sciences so you can fuck you data up to support your ideas or make a conclusion that completely runs contrary to the data or engage in very unprofessional conduct (still happens). After that people would bandwagon it and implement it as policy or policy makers look into it or people demand it then for better or for worse it got implemented.
>>1332933
Pygmies are shit as well. Abbos and pygmies can barely beat monkeys on IQ tests.
>>1339994
Pygmies are very malnourished and very persecuted by other groups around them and the government though.
>>1332962
Not really no.
I can't even take you seriously if you're implying abbos have contributed anything of value to civilization.
There have been a few exceptional blacks, however those people are almost invariably mulatto with significant white ancestry. Not to trivialize the achievements of those people in any way, but this HBD denialism is ideology motivated delusion and it doesn't help anyone anon.
>>1331779
>Are racism and genocide direct byproducts of accepting the evolutionary theory?
No both happend before and after, the reasons they jusifeid them with are just different
Before the Theory of Evolution, native americans for example, were dehumanised for being pagans, or other bullshit reasons...honestly the spanish could have just said: "we are going to enslave them because we can..." similarly shit reasoning
That changed with the Age of Enlightenment, people started to categorize and have a (bad) scientific approach to human differences, all that paved the way for modern racism, biologised racism, overtaking the role of "religous" racsim
>>1331779
Evolution says that isolated populations will adapt to suit their environment, provided there is any pressure to adapt at all.
It has no ideological goal and how you use that knowledge depends on you alone.
>>1333018
Please name one single idea, cultural practice, or piece of art of African origin that is unique or superior to the European equivalent.
Not talking about entire empires or civilizations or anything. Just one thing, just one thing or concept an African culture produced that has lasting value and made the world a better place.
>>1335390
>It's worse for Christians who don't subscribe to YEC.
If you consider yourself Christian but aren't a YEC, then you're fooling yourself. Either the whole book is true or you have no way of knowing which bits are true and which aren't, which means you have no basis at all for your religion.
>>1340072
Jazz
>>1334413
lol didn't he also screw over other people involved in the discovery?
>>1340145
No. A lab technician who was involved in it has complained a lot that she wasn't invited to Oslo, but she was a lab technician, not a scientist.
>>1334413
This is taken way out of context, Watson isn't a racist he was just floating an idea, like the naive old man he is, without dressing it in PC language.
>>1340078
This.
I think people who cherry pick are worse than the people who delude themselves 100%.
>>1340082
No. Jazz is degenerate, and at any rate African-American is really pushing the boundaries of this challenge.
>>1340072
Don't you know that white people were made by a black scientist?
>>1340206
But did Africans invent yams or did yams invent Africans?
>>1340286
Africa is one of the handful of places that invented agriculture, instead of learning it from a neighbour. That's something Europe never managed.
>>1340038
>There have been a few exceptional blacks, however those people are almost invariably mulatto with significant white ancestry. Not to trivialize the achievements of those people in any way,
You are though. You are denying their race when they do something good by bringing up other ancestry as a nullified then when they do something bad that other ancestry suddenly isn't accounted and they are just black. I bet you consider Ethiopians a speshul group that their achievements aren't African or black.
>>1340186
Jazz is degenerate
Why?
>>1340444
pro-tip: "degenerate" doesn't actually mean anything
>>1340301
lol
which part, Egypt, Congo, South Africa, the West coast, the East coast? All at the same time?
>America is one of the handful of places that build massive stone pyramids and didn't learn it from a neighbor
>this means all native peoples are the same now and share in those accomplishments
get good
>>1340008
Abbos and pygmies have difficulty with concepts like cause preceding effect, the linear progression of time, object permanence, basic abstract thought of all kinds.
It's not because of nutrition or persecution anon. Genetics is the primary factor in intelligence, this is heritable. They are a unique branch of the human family with many other physiological and mental differences.
Race is more than skin deep. This doesn't mean we should take advantage of them, or that they have less moral worth than us, or anything like that. But these people are basically retarded and always will be. They need to be protected from the rest of the world as well as themselves.
That's the White Man's Burden. To help other races to succeed, and to protect those who cannot. Our race is unique as well.
>>1333017
>Surprisingly intellectual answers. never been on /his/ before but if there are posters this smart here I think I'll stay.
Prepare to be disappointed.
>>1340578
How much do we actually know about pygmies? We barely understand our own minds let alone some abberant form if this dichotomy of yours is true.
Haven't twin studies and the flynn effect shown that humans are malleable, and incredibly subject to environmental determination?
Where was it demonstrated that pygmies have trouble with these things? How was it isolated as genetic determination, outside of all other factors?
This exists.
>>1340638
>christians projecting their own servile, passivity on the scientific community
Sure, Dawkins is a shit stain of a cult of personality. Otherwise it just goes to show how brain-dead the author is.
>>1340644
Here's some more by him.
>>1340649
>>1340650
>>1340653
This is the icing on the cake.
>>1340655
Kinda clever compared to the others, actually. I like the bantz here.
>>1340658
Not the same artist, but this guy's a hoot.
>>1340674
Also, you know your ideas are bad when even this guy calls you out.
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=MWAbr-SoMAs
>>1340038
Please tell me that picture is a joke
Please tell me people aren't so stupid as to say minority populations in a single country aren't minorities in said country because of global population figures.
>>1333003
Human beings are apes
>>1340793
That's not how they see it.
>>1340810
>>1340810
They're insecure as fuck about it if anything. Like deadly afraid of the identity crisis that looms with the acceptance. It's like a withdrawal from an ideological addiction.
More people need existentialism in their lives so that they don't have to derive worth from an intangible ideal of being connected to the divine.
>>1340845
>mfw even the Bible says we're animals.
>>1340791
White people from white countries have every right to keep their nations white.
You're the type of fart sniffing faggot who voted Remain aren't you
>>1340857
>Anon brings up a point
>Post don't even try to answer that point but still calls him a faggot
>>1340868
It's better not to discuss something with people who are more interested in being right than having a discussion.
>>1340609
Go to a black neighborhood and you'll see what a difference a lack of gratification delay makes amongst a people.
And you're fucking silly if you don't think genetics has the bigger share of influence on the development of an organism, considering the code's been hammering out for literally billions of years.
Some groups of people just fucking suck and waste air and nobody would give a damn if they ate crocodile dicks. That's the honest truth.
>>1335191
Really?
David Horsey don't beat them all?
>>1340903
And that's part of the reason why humans are tribalistics. Because nobody is going to give a damn about you like your "in group", whatever the fuck that is.
That also spells doom for utopian projects. A project of equality would degenerate into psychopaths controlling what is considered equal and jamming their self-serving ideology down the throats of their subjects.
>>1340912
Yeah, he's pretty bad. Never did like regressive libcucks much.
>>1340903
I'd say it's silly to think that genetics aren't determined by environmental factors. To say otherwise would be to ignore the role that environmental pressures play in the process of evolution. We have created an environment of de-incintivization for literally hundreds of years and tens of generations of blacks. Your own logic works against your position. This is how beliefs are compartmentalized away from proof.
It's no really no wonder the warrior gene is more common. It's a genetic defense against violent environments. I don't appreciate your condescension in thinking that I somehow fit your naive strawman, just because I don't 100% agree with you.
If gay peopme arent attracted to the opposite sex, then why do they try so hard to look like the opposite sex?
>>1340939
What genetics SURVIVE is determined by the interaction of developed phenotype in contact with environmental pressures. Their "determination" is a bit more chaotic and prone to error replication. But still phenotypes spread their wings and attempt to soar to the sun.
And no fuck you, blacks are just plain stupider. I was a fucking communist and then I was in a situation where I saw people with the same stuff and the same opportunity act radically different according to race, even accounting for birthplace.
I'd never try to disrespect an honest citizen but you're a fucking idiot if you think living in a black majority area is better than other equivalent areas.
>>1340955
Attraction and envy are similar, but distinct.
That's mostly just my opinion though. Go crazy.
>>1340966
And fuck off with that "aw lahd da poo peeple" act.
It's crippling, stupid, and dishonest to point to black suffering as some unique summit that no other group of people has ever had to suffer and that is why they are still so wretched...
It's fucking bad strategy to try to win monkey screeching battles when you can't garner enough capital to attract decent grocery stores.
>>1331779
No, if anything the "scientific racism" of the 19th century was founded in the rejection of common human lineage, as you will find in every single one of the thinkers in the ranks of List, Guenon, and Blavatsky. A Gnostic, Manichaean "greater chain of being" diluted from the Noble, Spiritual Us to the Base, Savage They is much more apparent in genocidal ideology than legitimate Darwinian theory, which is played only lip-service and convenient rhetoric. Nazis did not understand the mechanism of DNA or niches in selection, and OVERTLY tried to couple the families of SS members in massive in-breeding camps as a means to regenerate the spirituality of their population, extirpate the besmirching mark of "lesser races" and revive the ancient Aryan spark in their stock.
An "evolutionist" would have greater difficulty rationalizing the inferiority of their cousins than a Christian or Thulean-Ariosophist who can handwave anything with the spiritual reverberations of Cain, Ham or the Demiurge Abraxas. I say that as a right-wing evolutionist myself, it's foolish.
>>1340966
you're an idiot if you think I was saying anything more than that people are largely the cumulative result of environmental changes over time.
I resent your dichotomy between honest citizens and the implied dishonest citizen, which is clearly a coding for your own prejudice. The only people who will buy into that are similarly prejudiced people. But there is some truth there when considering this chaos of yours. Because of that chaos, essentially causal effects that can't be easily isolated, not even centuries of negative environmental influence can be enough to destroy a person. So when we know that it still does largely influence a population, what would these honest citizens look like if we were able to remove these negative environmental factors across generations? Your own logic is again, contradictory to any point you've tried to prove. Because the chaos can still be manipulated within our ability to control our own environments, for a wider effect. And the chaos can result in people moving away from antisocial behaviors as well.
If anything, these trends in American populations are because chattel slavery and segregation have effectively created a racial, self contained class where these genes are isolated. Given environmental changes, they should be indistinguishable from any other western human in a matter of generations.
We know that good parenting and environmental stability will improve a child's intelligence. We understand that environmental factors play a role on a child's development. And yet you can't admit by your own reasoning, that the environmental factors that affected the lives of a child's parents are passed down through genetics, and are reinforced if this environment doesn't change.
Whatever stereotype you push on black american citizens is not distinct in any way from their environment.
>>1341014
>We know that good parenting and environmental stability will improve a child's intelligence
Twin adoption studies man. Parents mean dick compared to genetics. It's humiliating. It's ego-destroying. But it's the truth.
>>1341021
There is still some effect. A twin that is malnourished will be meek compared to a twin that has been well fed from birth. And again, there is the assumption that their parents have not passed down their own environmental adjustments. So all you're really saying is that people don't change rapidly within one generation. I'd agree, it would take several.
>>1340983
>black suffering as some unique summit that no other group of people has ever had to suffer and that is why they are still so wretched...
It is though. Slavery has happened, and tumor minorities have existed, but no other group in history happened to fall under the peculiar social-political circumstances of a foreign people permanently uprooted and laid in a role of subservience, only for the burgeoning mass-media to codify forever with race-baiting and nonsense to indefinitely perpetuate the profitable conflict for their own purposes. Really. It wouldnt be such a problem if 1. the southern reconstruction didn't go so poorly and 2. memes issuing from "BBC" weren't affirmed in the pre-pornography era.
Niggers nig wholly and totally because the entertainment and athletic industries that siphon off them are more profitable than the life, property, and tax dollars that are devoured by them. If the Irish, Italians or Russians were used as slaves rather than Africans you bet the same shitshow would develop.
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