Can someone explain to me the hate on /his/ and /pol/ for Jews? Also which kind of Jew are we referring to? Are we making fun of zionist types or rich white stereotypes?
>>1320498
They murdered Jesus.
>>1320504
Looks like an orthodox priest
>>1320498
Don't continue to conflate /his/ with /pol/.
>>1320498
>>1320498
Anti-semitism is as ancient as Semites themselves. Read "A History of Zionism" by Lacquer, he covers it quite well.
>fuck! those people killed our god!
>they don't assimilate!
>they're inbred and ugly!
>the ultra-poor (orthodox) are parasites inside our nations, living in their own separate communities living off welfare from the rest of us while giving nothing in return!
>their ultra-rich (secular) are parasites outside our nations, living everywhere but belonging nowhere! they are not serfs who work the lands like me, and fuck with my motherland's economy!
>reeeeeeee hebrews get out!
>t. every european country ever
Not having a state caused every one of the persistent problems the Jews encountered throughout history.
>>1320535
No pretty sure the fact that Judaism teaches that non-Jews are inherently inferior and were created to serve Jews caused most of the problems they've encountered throughout history.
>>1320532
Oh, well then can you explain why THEY hate Jews?
>>1320562
They hate "the Jews" because the historical archetype of the Jew happens to fit the mold of the people behind everything /pol/ hates.
>lower wages
>racial/cultural diversity
>urbanism
>erosion of social norms and religious tradition
All of these benefit internationalist financial moguls who have no "home" state and no culture they intrinsically respect beyond the acquisition of capital - the traditional stereotype of Jews.
Authentic culture exists in opposition to the endless hunger for capital and limitless growth that these rootless internationals strive for, and in the process tread upon the cultures that stand in their way. Think, what reason would I have to LIKE these people if I was, say, a rural, self-sufficient, white, christian, manual-laborer, who now has to compete with a million mexicans and indians who don't worship the same gods, share the same customs, or speak the same language that I do, and will compete with me for a third-world wage? Where is the culture, the community I once had? It's vanished in a borderless consumerist soup.
Antisemitism is the socialism of fools.
>>1320646
>Why didn't you listen?
>>1320552
Pretty uncommon thing for Jews to actually follow today, mein /pol/lack freund.
>>1320498
/pol/ started out more or less as a container for the politically charged shit that was clogging up the rest of 4chin. They mostly kept to themselves because most of them understood the purpose of having multiple boards.
Over time, its bad reputation for neonazi trolling got the attention of actual neonazis. Additionally, this site is old, and users started to treat 4chan more like a community and less like "a place to post your verbal diarrhoea". So people felt entitled to shitpost on other boards, either because they felt like trolling, saving us from the ultra-PC lefty gommunists, or because they liked competing with other boards.
So why is "da joos" a meme. Basically, it's the sweet spot for trolling. It's a topic that most people are vaguely familiar with, enough so to get offended by it, but not enough to refute arguments. /pol/landers can post their conspiracy theories (either as genuine arguments or to troll), but the only people who respond are the ones who actually know about this stuff. So general, non-/pol/, users get really angry and respond, say something stupid, and get collaged into /pol/'s internet victory scrapbooks.
In a way, this is a lot like how the social justice communities work. They take some topic (I dunno, male privilege or something), and start shitposting about it on /pol/ or reddit or wherever. When people respond by saying stupid shit, they screencap the insane and vicious comments, crop out the reasonable arguments, and paste it together for their internet victory collage. It's the same behaviour, with a remarkably similar motivation, but from completely different communities.
The best way to respond is to ignore. If you're feeling lucky, you can tell them to fuck off back to /pol/and. If you're going to war you can call them out on being social injustice warriors. But only a full retard engages with them on their own terms.
>>1320668
You say that like viral antisemitism is a 4chan phenomena, and not a form of bigotry with more than a thousand years of history.
>>1320668
It's really not that uncommon; everyone knows that the orthodox don't associate with goyim at all and even the conservative and reformed tend to keep us at arms length. This behavior makes perfect sense if you believe that you are G-d's chosen people and that everyone else is "unclean."
>>1320552
Aw, don't act like every group of people didn't think that to some extent. All that happened with the Jews was that they got called out on it more.
>>1320684
They got called out on it more because the French-supremacists were quarantined to France, the German-supremacists quarantined to Germany, while the Jewish-supremacist population had no Judea and had to live as a state within a state throughout every state of Europe and beyond, while strictly adhering to customs that visibly differentiated them from the majority of Christian Europeans they lived among.
>>1320498
>Can someone explain to me the hate on /his/ and /pol/ for Jews?
Jews never assimilate.
No matter where they are or how long they’ve been there, they always remain Jews first and foremost and that means they will always place their tribal interests above those of the host nation, to the point of actually harming the host nation to further their own interests (i.e. the “alliance” between the U.S. and Israel).
>>1320684
Yes in-group and out-group dynamics exist in every culture but what makes Judaism unique is that its racial supremacy is encoded in its holy documents. Even the most virulently racist Christians can be called out by pointing to Christ's egalitarianism and thus their racism can be demonstrated to be more a product of their culture as opposed to their religion. However, a Jew's racism is not only condoned by their scriptures but encouraged by them! One of G-d's reoccurring commands to the Jews throughout the Old Testament is to not conform to the culture of the people around them because that culture is sinful. Anything not Jewish is not kosher and therefore as long as non-kosher culture exists there will be Jews working tirelessly to destroy it because they believe it is their G-d given duty to do so.
>>1320741
This is the post that made the most sense to me.
Between the refusal to interbreed and texts that have a God saying everyone but them are either stepchildren or outright unfavored, I get the issue.
>>1320498
Don't confuse us with them
>>1320552
Out of context quotes that 99% of Jews have never even read don't "debunk the Jewish people"
Sorry dude
>>1320830
It doesn't matter how widely read they are, the point is that they are demonstrative of the Jewish ethos towards goyim.
>>1320498
>Also which kind of Jew are we referring to?
Modern day Jews that have 90% white European ancestry but like to roleplay as the direct genetic descendants of 7th century Judeans.
>>1320830
But have you read the Torah and all the race-based violence and slavery given out by the Israelites as commanded by Yahweh?
>>1320836
No, no it does not demonstrate that.
Go down to the local synagogue. Chat with the Jews about Judaism, get a bagel, and chill out. Unless they're ultra-orthodox Jews they'll be happy to chat. You know, just like the Christians, Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Zoroastrians, Shintos, Chinese folk religions, Indian shamans, and whatever else.
Why in the fuck would Jews be dating Chinese in Kaifeng, Native Americans in the USA, and Latina/os in South America if this Jewish Exceptionalism bs you're spouting is some kind of norm. Stop making shit up and stop shitposting on /his/.
>>1320683
you dumb shit, over 50% of reform Jews marry gentiles
>>1320836
> Known by 8%
> Believed by 0.000000001%
> "general ethos"
>>1320886
>>1320937
>>1320945
Are you seriously claiming that Judaism doesn't teach that goyim are unclean?!
>>1320836
My favorite type of argument.
Where one party accuses a whole group of evil based on a stupid statement made by a minority of that group while doing the exact same thing to others and saying it's some sort of "fact."
>>1321046
Does Talmud teach that goyim are unclean, yes or no?
>>1321050
Dats vewy waysist and you oughtta be ashamed of yourself!
In my country, which has many Jews, they are hated for opposite reasons
A) They are over-represented among communists and leftists, especially in the field of social sciences and humanities, but also psychology. Think of people like the British historian Hobsbawm.
B) They are over-represented among right wing bankers, basically immoral people of the financial world, this is the old Shylock stereotype, think of people like Soros, or Bernard Maddoff, or Paul Singer. The kind of people who buy defaulted bonds of starving third world countries, and force them to pay hundreds of millions.
I think that kind of people are actually more common in the diaspora than in Israel, there is not much room to be a leftist in Israel.
>>1321080
Seems like those things are not really opposite - they are both subsets of being over-represented among professions that require high intelligence in general.
Here's my honest opinion of Jewish people; they're an entire race of idiot savants. Jews are obviously very intelligent but they are completely autistic when it comes to dealing with other races. Things like banking and accounting are perfect examples of how the Jewish brain works; they require impressive computational analysis but are relatively useless skills from a "practical" perspective. Of course, banking and accounting have become ingrained components of our society (coincidence?) so we need Jews around to maintain the massive economy that we have created.
However, it is good to constantly remind Jews that there will be consequences if they do not keep their autism in check because as smart as Jews are, they suck at fighting and need other races to do it for them. It's good to have the Jews on your side because they're so smart but you have to remind them who's boss so they don't let their innate sneakiness lead them to do something that they'll later regret; like killing Jesus Christ for example. Once you understand the Jew's innate autism you no longer hate them, you pity them because you realize that they really can't help themselves for being Jews, they're born with it. Once you understand that a Jew will always be a Jew, you learn to accept it and plan around it and make use of their talents.
God bless.
>>1321104
I do agree on them being the most intelligent ethnicity (Ashkenazis at least, the middle east ones are smart, but not more than Armenian)
But their intelligence is a product of being endogamic for centuries, and it is not free of mentall illness.
And also, I would rather not have intelligent communists in my country.
Christians are guilty of making Jews as smart as they are. When for centuries allmost all christians were peasants, Jews were forced to leave in ghettos and left with no option but to dedicate themselves to finances. And in order to be a Rabbi you had to be an extremely intelligent polyglot.
It is in those centuries in the ghettos that Jews became so smart.
>>1321137
>And in order to be a Rabbi you had to be an extremely intelligent polyglot.
...who typically had many children. Whereas clever Catholic boys became celibate priests...
>>1321142
And I wonder who was behind clerical celibacy...
>>1320695
>the Jewish-supremacist population had no Judea and had to live as a state within a state throughout every state of Europe and beyond
Except the Jews didn't have to, they _chose to_ maintain a distinct foreign tribal society within every nation they lived.
This is never of benefit to the host nation regardless of which ethnicity we're talking about, as the foreign tribal society invariably works against the indigenous population to exclusively benefit themselves and this inevitably leads to the foreign tribal society quite rightly being resented by the indigenous population.
>>1320498
I hate no one, the problem is that my lack of hatred is unrequited.
Read You Gentiles by Maurice Samuel.
>>1321250
Bullshit they chose too. Jews were not allowed to live outside of ghettos and were prohibited from practicing most trades or from even owning land. Of course they kept a separate identity when they weren't allowed to adopt the mainstream one. And even the slightest glance outside (if you live in america) has shown that without such restrictions american jews have been falling over themselves becoming as "mainstream white" as possible. Aside from a relative handful of orthodox cultists (and their are identical cultists in every religion) american jews have adopted the native language of english, go to the same schools, wear the same clothing styles and eat the same food. They even marry non-jews by huge margins. Which if they were so concerned about defeating non-jews would be counter-productive as that means they are diluted and absorbed by a much larger population.
You mean the antagonism toward the religion, or do you mean the racism common on /pol/? Because while the racism often condemns the religion, there are those of us who object to the religion but don't see Jews as some racially evil people set apart from others.
>>1320552
Talmud is not a holy text in Judaism you twat
The destroyed the Library of Alexandria
>>1321408
>Talmud is not a holy text in Judaism you twat
Where in the Bible does it say the holidays should be observed according to the Abib?
How do you know how to make the special knots in Tzitzit if the Bible doesn't tell you how?
How can you know how to make Tefillin if the written Torah doesn't tell you how?
IT'S NOT LIKE WE BASED OUR ENTIRE RELIGION ON THE RABBIS' INTERPRETATION OF THE TORAH, THE ORAL LAW, AND THE COMMENTARIES OF IT CONTAINED THEREIN
>>1321461
>every jew follows the Rabbi's interpretation of the torah
It's obvious you haven't read the talmud at all, it's full of Rabbi's arguing about the tradition and most of the time they don't even reach a definite conclusion. I garuntee you for every single quote on that list there was a Rabbi who also argued against it in the talmud. This is why we don't take things out of context.
>>1321598
>it's full of Rabbi's arguing
The Talmud is not "just Rabbis arguing", it's the basis of all codes of Jewish law, maybe some other Talmud classes are in order? :^)
You need the Oral Torah to interpret the Torah, and it's in the Talmud. Sola Scriptura and Karaism aren't Judaism. The Torah is not in heaven, as every child introduced to the Talmud knows.
The Oral Torah is a revelation and thus the Talmud is a sacred text to Judaism just as the Hebrew Bible, which it interprets.
>>1321498
What happened to /his/?
>>1320498
Tbh I have nothing against jews, the culture even has a couple of interesting things to offer.
I hate Israel though, so I profit from the antisemitism of the uncultured and I will do nothing to stop them. On the contrary, I will instigate them if necessary.
>>1320504
Didn't he need to die?
The gospel of thomas account always made more sense to me. Where Jesus confides in Judas that he must identify him for the divine plan to reach completion.
>>1320552
That's just not true in many sects of Judaism.
Can't speak for Orthodox Jews, but then again I'm a Reformed.
>>1321408
>For the majority of Jews it is still the supreme authority in religion
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14213-talmud
There would be no Judaism without the Talmud.
>>1320498
They're God's Chosen People in a world that has the devil for its god; of course the people of this world are going to hate them.
Life is just a game of Follow the Leader.
>>1321676
What, you want the Gramsci threads back?
>>1321675
You're an idiot if you actually believe the talmud is revelation. It is oral tradition, meaning not literally part of the Torah. Callig it "sacred" is also a strech as it is not part of the Tanakh
And maybe not all of it is rabbis arguing, but there is a fair amount of arguinng that goes on. Many things in the Talmud are still up for interpretation.
>>1320504
the jews murdered a jew so fuck the jews!
>>1321050
they should have a board just for you butthurts
>>1320535
Because Judaism or Semitism if you will works more like nationalism without clay than a religion.
>>1322116
They have one. It's called Reddit.
>>1320498
There are really two types of Jews: Jews and non-Jews.
You see the problem with Jews is that they are very smart, but they also are supposed to have some sort of affiliation to a revealed religion.
Well, smart people tend to reject revealed religions. You you get 90% of "Jews" who consider themselves Jews but have no Judaic beliefs.
This is the perfect recipe for alienation, which leads to leftism.
In the end, it's not about the goyim at all, it's because atheist Jews are mentally unbalanced because of their split identity.
>>1321698
gospel of thomas is not canon
>>1322765
vid related
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5IqH7oJ9h4
Just substitute the word "jews" for "charlatan" and you'll find the correct context.
>>1320498
The goyim think they have caught on to our plans. They, however, have only revealed the tip of the iceberg.
>>1322773
and?
>>1321698
that's the gospel of judas you are thinking of
>>1321853
>You're an idiot if you actually believe the talmud is revelation.
No, it's called Orthodox Judaism.
>It is oral tradition, meaning not literally part of the Torah. Callig it "sacred" is also a strech as it is not part of the Tanakh
As early as the third century Joshua ben Levi interpreted Deut. ix. 10 to mean that the entire Law, including Miḳra, Mishnah, Talmud, and Haggadah, had been revealed to Moses on Sinai (Yer. Pes. 17a, line 59; Meg. 74d, 25), while in Gen. R. lxvi. 3 the blessings invoked in Gen. xxvii. 28 are explained as "Miḳra, Mishnah, Talmud, and Haggadah."
http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/14213-talmud
>>1320498
Inferiority complex and jealousy due to superior Ashkenazi IQ and the attendant dominance in economics and science. In fact, even non-Ashkenazi Mizrahi Jews in Israel hate Ashkenazis and accuse them of keeping them down.
>>1322947
>tip of the iceberg
>iceberg
>berg
Why is /pol/ always right?
>>1320498
Read Culture of Critique sometime.
>>1320683
>>1320668
>>1320552
very common. it is standard amongst the hasidic/orthodox and many others.
they do preach that goyim are cattle and slaves
interesting social experiment: wear a yarmulke and take your smartfone to any hasidic Anglo shul/yeshiva/synagogue/chabad, ie in antwerp, brooklyn, queens, new jersey, melbourne. go there when they hold talmud group study sessions.
and with the smartfone start recording the anti-goyim hate speech of the talmud
the only groups that are against this and do not follow it are non-talmudic Jews (Karaites, Samaritans, Ethiopionsbb) and reform Jews
>>1320504
Technically the Romans did, the jews just let him die.
>>1320719
>No matter where they are or how long they’ve been there, they always remain Jews first and foremost and that means they will always place their tribal interests above those of the host nation, to the point of actually harming the host nation to further their own interests
Which is funny because having been to Israel several times for work, most jews there aren't particularly jewish or even care that much about being jewish. The most religious people are the ones in the clergy and government.
They are ALL ultranationalist zionists though.
>>1320668
I think that overall /pol/ has a larger proportion of trolls compared to SJWs, but I agree on the way they express themselves is very similar.
>>1320498
I think it's conditioned behavior. Propagated through history classes. They do seem to be highly materialistic
>things are going badly
>lets blame those cunts who never integrate
>usury is dishonest, lets allow Jews to do it even though we don't really trust them
>things are going badly
>lets blame those cunts who never integrate
>We need people who are willing to use usury
>Thanks kikes, please go easy with those interest rates
>Why are those people we always kick out/treat like shit charging such bullshit interest
>lets blame those cunts who never integrate
>We need people who are willing to use usury
Repeat for hundreds of years
enter /pol/
>I hate jews they control all the money
>>1324023
this
heard the most hateful anti-goy preaching from the orthodox/chasdic/charedi community
it would be great to expose their talmud/gomara study sessions on social media if anons are up for the challenge
>>1321498
this is pretty sad
>>1324059
nah man, they are genuinly antisemites.
I used to browse /pol/ a long time ago when they used to be libertarians, but by now, the board turned into a neonazi echochamber
>>1324142
>dindu nuffin
From what I have observed. There are far more virulent anti-SJW crusaders than there are actual SJWs. Go onto a youtube comments section, 9/10 times when people there are ragging on SJWs, no actuall SJW had actually posted anything and the anti-SJW rants are just entirely based on a meme.
/pol/tards seem to have a need to be the victims of some conspiracy ala all this "cultural marxism" shit you hear.
Because they are always in somebody else's nation. Being a minority group, they always push for more cosmopolitanism and anti-nationalism. This pisses people off because Jews themselves are very tribal and selfish. They're pretty much the definition of a fifth column.
>>1323728
Ashkenazi are only smart because Hitler gassed all the dumb ones.
>>1324494
You think they are speaking English in those. They are probably speaking Hebrew or Yiddish
>>1325464
nope, there are plenty of talmud lectures in english in various shuls/yeshivas/synagogues. sometimes they gather in the evening for group talmud studies in English
the teacher gathers 8 students, with varying proficiency to a table and reads various parts from the talmud in hebrew and translates to english, and discusses the meaning of the passage
they welcome and recruit Jews of various proficiency to the english talmud lectures, the Jews are of various backgrounds. some ukrainian, russian, persian, uzbeki, american
just ask around if you are in london, torono, brooklyn, queens, melbourne etc
>>1321698
Heresy makes more sense to you because you're a lost child of satan who cannot understand the things of God.
>>1320529
There's a reason for that.
>>1320552
t. someone who has never studied the Talmud
>>1320741
>racial supremacy
Jews coming from many different races.
>>1320504
yes, and they're also khazar imposters that have no right to the land of israel.
>>1321408
>>1321675
>>1321853
>>1323700
talmud is heresy of the highest order
The Mishnah quotes many conflicting opinions.
The Mishnah does not define in which opinion the truth lies. Rather, the Mishnah sometimes agrees with neither one nor the other, contradicting both.
They argue that the truth of the oral law given to Moses could only be in one opinion, not many opinions.
They question why the Mishnah does not solely speak in the name of Moses.
They say that Oral Law is not explicitly mentioned in the Tanakh.
When God told Moses to come up to Mount Sinai to receive the Torah He said, "Come up to me into the mountain, and be there: and I will give you tablets of stone, and a law, and commandments that I have written"; (Ex 24:12). The text states the commands are written, and no mention is made of an Oral Law.
The Tanakh reports that the written Torah was both lost and completely forgotten for over 50 years and only rediscovered by the Temple priests (2Ki 22:8; 2Chr 34:15). It is inconceivable that an Oral Law could have been remembered when the written Law was forgotten.
The words of the Mishnah and Talmud are the words of people living in the 2nd–5th centuries CE, in contrast to the Torah, which is held to be a direct revelation by God through Moses.
The Torah states, "You shall not add to the word that I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHVH, your God, which I command you." (Deut 4:2) They argue that this excludes the possibility of later interpretation being viewed as divinely ordained.
>>1321408
>>1321675
>>1321853
>>1323700
>>1326292
>talmud is heresy of the highest order
Joshua 8:34–35 states:
וְאַחֲרֵי־כֵן, קָרָא אֶת־כָּל־דִּבְרֵי הַתּוֹרָה, הַבְּרָכָה, וְהַקְּלָלָה—כְּכָל־הַכָּתוּב, בְּסֵפֶר הַתּוֹרָה.לֹא־הָיָה דָבָר, מִכֹּל אֲשֶׁר־צִוָּה מֹשֶׁה—אֲשֶׁר לֹא־קָרָא יְהוֹשֻׁעַ, נֶגֶד כָּל־קְהַל יִשְׂרָאֵל וְהַנָּשִׁים וְהַטַּף, וְהַגֵּר, הַהֹלֵךְ בְּקִרְבָּם.
After that, he [Joshua] read all the words of the Torah, the Blessing and the Curse, according to all that is written in the Torah scroll. There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded that Joshua failed to read in the presence of the entire assembly of Israel, and the women, and the little ones, and the strangers that walked among them.
Since Joshua read from the Torah every word Moses had written, this implies that Moses had not been given an Oral Law, since Joshua could not have read an Oral Law from the written Torah. Secondly, there could not have been additional commandments outside of the written Torah, since all the commandments that existed could be read from the Torah scroll.
In addition to this, Joshua 1:8 states: "This book of the law is not to depart out of your mouth, but you are to meditate on it day and night, so that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it."
>>1325993
i studied the talmud with chasids
can confirm profound goyim hatred preached by talmudists
The globalists are Jewish ethnically but athirst in the sheets.
>>1326292
>>1326297
The entire calendar of Jewish holidays and all codes of law are based on the Talmud.
This religion is called Rabbinical Judaism because it is based on the teachings of the Rabbis.
The opinion of some Lithuanian karaite or protestant christian doesn't matter, Jews don't believe in sola scriptura, the Torah is not in heaven.
>>1326357
But atheist in the sheets
>>1326292
The Oral Law isn't written/explained in the Tanakh because then it wouldn't be oral. Ancient Israelites/Jews had customs, all of which were not in the Torah.
Conversion, religious law, prayer, specific dietary laws, etc., were a reality and needed to be fully explained.
For example, Exodus 23:19 is interpreted as "don't mix meat and milk". Supplementary details, such as the required waiting time to eat meat after drinking milk, were not explained with it.
This is where the Oral Law comes in. It is both a method of settling the specifics and the resulting interpretations.
Deut 12:21 states, "you may slaughter animals as I have commanded you". The exact command wasn't written in the Torah, but still exists. It was a "revelation of God" passed down through Moses, like the other Jewish laws, but in an oral form. That makes it part of the Oral Law.
The Talmud was written way after the Torah, but its ideas were made at the same time. They had to be. How do you not get this?
Were the Sagas all made up by Snurluson because he was the first to write them down?
Deut 4:2 doesn't disprove the Oral Law because it was part of the rules God passed down, as seen in Deut 12:21.
If anything, its should be an argument against Christianity for its addition of another testament.
>>1326146
You're retarded. DNA testing shows that the Jewish male line is strongly Middle Eastern, from Israel.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1274378/?tool=pubmed
Go back to /pol/, faggot.
>>1326297
>There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded that Joshua failed to read
>read
You can't read something that hasn't been written down.
>>1320535
>Not having a state caused every one of the persistent problems the Jews encountered throughout history.
Pretty sure the Jews have never been more hated in history than they are now that they have a state
>>1327140
Isn't "Jewishness" passed down maternally?
Are the offspring of Middle Eastern men and white European women "Jews" under halakha or not?
Why not return Israel to the genetically pure descendants of the people who wrote the Torah- the Palestinian Arab Muslims and Christians who converted from Judaism after millenia of foreign control?
>>1326002
That's it's own Pandora's box of problems that Jews have had to deal with for centuries.
>>1327222
>Isn't "Jewishness" passed down maternally?
Not him but yes. Your dad could be a direct descendant of King David himself, you're still not 100% jew if your mother wasn't jewish.
>>1327222
> genetically pure
What is it with racial purity? Why do you think it's the only way to resolve conflicts?
Jews have strong historical and religious connections to Israel.
Historically, in that Jews are descended from the ancient Israelites(genetic testing), and religiously in the Bible, with texts like Psalm 137(If I ever forget you, Jerusalem, may my right hand forget its skill).
In the 1900's, when secular Jews realized that integration and Enlightenment values did not end anti-Semitic persecutions, they realized that they would only be safe in a country of their own.
They chose to create a nation in Israel because that is the only territory that all Jews are connected to.
Both Palestinians and Jews have connection to Israel, which is why Israel supports the two-state solution. Sharing the land gives both parties the connection they want.
>>1327403
It's funny, because David himself isn't ethnically Jewish in the maternal line. Converts are sometimes accepted, such as Ruth, his ancestor.
Also, the explanation of the results states that the first generation of European Jews was overwhelmingly male, leading to one generation of intermarriage, not continuous ones. The women were probably accepted as fully Jewish, much like Ruth.
>>1320741
First of all, there might not be a jesus but there are other prophets that said many different things.
Judaism is not a conquering religion. It is not out to destroy anything.
There is also a term "tikun olam" means the fixing of the world. This is a concept that was used to establish different rules and can be used and is used as simply a term expressing the desire to improve the world.
In short, enough with your /pol/ rubbish.
Jews are not out to get you.
Orthodox jews are a deviation, a result of the rejection of modernity.
Treating others badly is indeed in jewish writings but like in christianity they are ignored or defocused.
There are many different interpretations that fopcus or abrigate different things bebcause the concept of historical relevance is present in judaism.
I.e. for a certain time certain rules are appropriate but for others they might not be, especially as humans morally evolve.
>>1326360
>>1327122
>the absurd mental gymnastics to protect your beloved heresy
i thought ashkenazi iq was high
taLmudist heretical sect, do not follow the calendar given to the People of Israel in the Tanach.[63] Making this worse, the taLmudist "were influenced by the pagan Babylonian religion" when they began to follow their calendar.[64] "During their sojourn in Babylonia our ancestors began to use the pagan Babylonian month names, a fact readily admitted in the Talmud: “The names of the months came up with them from Babylonia.” (Jerusalem Talmud, Rosh Hashanah 1:2 56d)"
>Oral Law isn't written/explained in the Tanakh because then it wouldn't be oral
Since Joshua read from the Torah every word Moses had written, this implies that Moses had not been given an Oral Law, since Joshua could not have read an Oral Law from the written Torah. Secondly, there could not have been additional commandments outside of the written Torah, since all the commandments that existed could be read from the Torah scroll.
In addition to this, Joshua 1:8 states: "This book of the law is not to depart out of your mouth, but you are to meditate on it day and night, so that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it."
>talmudists/rabbinists are as heretics
talmudism is in opposition to the fundamentals of the Torah.
The Torah states, "You shall not add to the word that I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHVH, your God, which I command you." (Deut 4:2)
>>1321498
Haven't been to this board in a while, after seeing this I feel like leaving again. The mods are such a joke.
>>1320562
It's constitutive to their political identity, regardless of whether there are actually some numbers of elites being Jews or not.
>>1325414
I've been wondering this too when Gamergate happened. It's like the entire movement was in the palm of the so-called SJWs, like GG was a controlled opposition or something.
>>1327140
>>1327551
>The women were probably accepted as fully Jewish
>probably
there is no proof of any acceptance by Bnei Israel of these roman converts
there is no proof of conversion either
all claims by ashkenazis are self-professed and unhalakhic
there is proof that roman converts just started calling themselves jews
halakhic Jewish descent is matrilineal
Ashkenazi's do not descend from Hebrew woman, therefore Ashkenazis are unhalakhic
therefore Ashkenazis are not Jewish
>first generation of European Jews was overwhelmingly Roman GENTILE male and female converts
ashkenazi ydna is not uniquely Israelite or Semitic, the ashkenazi ydna is common amongst gentile populations of europe
>Jewish male line is strongly Italian/Greek
actually ashkenazi ydna is european as well
the J1/J2 haplogroups are indeed spread throughout European gentiles and Anatolian gentiles
J1/J2 is not unique to ashkenazim
both J1 and J2 appear in European gentile populations.
J1 haplogroup is found in significant frequencies in many areas in or near the Middle East, and parts of the Caucasus, Sudan and Ethiopia. It is also found in high frequencies in parts of North Africa, Southern Europe.
J2 is found in Western Asia, Central Asia, South Asia, Europe and North Africa.
studies show European contribution to patrilineal ydna is ~12-40%, of R1b and R1a1a found among Ashkenazim
R1a1a is eastern European (Slavic, Khazar)
R1b is western European
tl;dr Ashkenazi males/females are goyim
>>1327222
yes, ashkenazis are goyim, even according to their own talmudic laws
shame how a bunch of roman converts hijacked our religion and force us to follow their heresy
the irony is that a bunch of goys actually dictate authentic Jews
all the roman rabbis who enforce halakhic standards are literally all unhalakhic
instead these roman goys should undergo conversion process overseen by Ethiopian Jews and follow our Bnei Israel authority
>>1326360
>>1327122
you are not arguing against me
you are arguing against the Torah, which is exactly what the talmud is- an argument against the Torah
you are arguing against the commandments of Jah
all your arguments and claims are based on basic fallacies and megalomaniacal mental retardation
see
>>1327838
A large Roman convert Jewish community flourished in Rome at this time and included many converts. This community is the source of both the Ashkenazim of Europe and the Sephardim of Spain and Portugal, given that the two groups have considerable genetic commonality, Dr. Richards said.
Italians showing the greatest genetic proximity to Ashkenazi Jews
there had been mass conversions to Judaism in the early Roman empire, resulting in some 6 million citizens, or 10 percent of the population, practicing Judaism.
Based on historical accounts such as those of Jewish historian Flavius Josephus, by the time of the destruction of the Second Temple in 70 CE, as many as six million Jews were already living in the Roman Empire, but outside Israel, mainly in Italy and Southern Europe. In contrast, only about 500,000 lived in Judea
>500,000 lived in Judea
>5,500,000 lived outside Israel, mainly in Italy and Southern Europe, in the Roman Empire
2nd temple Roman Jewry was overwhelmingly (~90%) converts!
these converts also adopted the revisionism known as talmudism.
pic related genetic italian ashkenazis
see >>1328028
>>1327140
>>1327551
>>1327403
see
>>1328035
>>1327551
> David himself isn't ethnically Jewish in the maternal line. Converts are sometimes accepted, such as Ruth, his ancestor.
FALSE
King David was born in Bethlehem, in the territory of the Tribe of Judah. His grandfather was Obed, whose mother was the Moabite Ruth and whose grandmother was the former prostitute Rahab
>grandfather
he was matrilineally Jewish
>>1320498
Most people on /his/ are normal and don't hate Jews it's idiots from /pol/ coming on /his/ that hate Jews
>>1328032
the revisionist work known as the talmud is also the foundations of islam
scholars have made extensive comparative studies and have shown commonality between Islamic teachings with what is in the Talmud and concluded that the Prophet took a major portion of his teachings, if not all, from this literature.
So much, indeed, was Muhammad indebted to the Jews that the Qur'an has been described as a compendium of Talmudic Judaism. (Blair, The Sources of Islam, p. 55).
One finds many of the Old Testament stories of the prophets reproduced in the Qur'an, sometimes in a precis form where the Qur'anic record is a faithful, though often vague, summary of the original Biblical narrative (e.g. the story of Jonah in Surah 37.139-148). On other occasions the Qur'anic narratives contain elements of Biblical truths confounded with folklore and fables extracted from the Talmud and in some cases (such as the story of Abraham and the idols which we shall presently consider) the sources are entirely talmudic and are accordingly purely fictitious.
This accounts for the seeming discrepancies between the stories of :he Bible and the Koranic version of the same narratives. However, in relating the Koranic version of the biblical story to the talmudic source as indicated in our study, the discrepancies almost entirely disappear. For, astonishingly enough, the biblical narratives are reproduced in the Koran in true talmudic cloak. (Katsh, Judaism in Islam, p. xvii).
chasidics and muslims follow the same talmudism
tl;dr islam is talmudism
>>1328077
>islam is talmudism
An example can be cited from “Judaism in Islam” by Abraham I. Katsh, a one time Chairman of the Hebrew (and other) studies of the New York University. He has a thesis to his credit proving that the Prophet derived Islamic teachings from the Talmud. With reference to the origin of Adhan (Islamic five daily prayer call) he writes:
This Muslim practice may be traced to an ancient custom followed in the Temple in Jerusalem. According to a Talmudic passage an appointed crier used to announce, “Arise, ye priests to your service, ye Levites to your platform, and ye Israelites to your stands.” (Bloach Publishing company, 1954).
He cites hundreds of passages of the Qur’an that have their origin in Talmudic literature.
>>1328032
>you are arguing against the Torah
And the Lord said to Moses, "Come up to Me to the mountain and remain there, and I will give you the stone tablets, the Law and the commandments, which I have written to instruct them."
Exodus 24:12 is clear: Moses was given the Decalogue in stone tables, the Torah (frequently translated as Law, though 'teaching' is a more appropriate translation) he would later compile with the help of Joshua, and the commandments, in the form of the Oral Torah.
The Oral Torah tells you how to make tzitzit, tefillin, etc. the Written Torah alone does not.
The Oral Torah explains, clarifies, and inteprets what its Written counterpart contains.
In Judaism you follow the instructions you receive from your Rabbi, not your personal interpretation.
All the apostasies, idolatries and schisms in the Hebrew Bible happen whenever the teachers' instructions are not followed.
This religion is called Rabbinical Judaism and it is a revealed religion.
>>1320498
Ashkenazi Jews are much smarter than the average person, so when Ashkenazi Jews do shitty things, they're very good at doing shitty things and fuck over a lot of people
>>1328090
This so hard
Its one autistic fucker who keeps spamming that shit over and over too
F*cking גןיים
>>1328090
are you aware that the advent of rabbinical Judaism is eon after the deliverance of the Torah to Moses?
are you aware that rabbis never existed prior to Babylonian exile?
are you also aware that original Judaism had a direct connection with Jah, not requiring rabbis, kabbalas, talmuds or mystical babylonian rituals....
real original Jews following original Israelite religion do not need rabbi/talmud, since they have a direct relationship w/ Jah.
heretics use kabala, angels, rabbis, talmud but that is all against the principle of Judaism, which is direct relationship w/ Jah, as is the basis of original Israelite religion
Original Judaism is close to Karaism/Karaite Judaism.
Hasidics use demonic numerology and babylonian/greek influences
the Sadducees, Karaites, Ethiopian Jews, Boho/Persian Jews (prior to their Sefardization) followed original Jewish traditions. they did not require the talmud to practice ancient Israelite religion.
also you avoided to answer
>>1327838
>>1320658
I could have sworn socialism was the socialism of fools.
>>1328318
valid points that talmud heretics can never answer with facts and logic
>>1328090
if talmud is unheritical and divine as you claim then why are there various contradicting and conflicting talmuds (babylonian, jerusalem etc..)?
if talmud is oral as you claim then why was it written down?
protip: it is not oral if it is written down
why is the talmud in the words of people living in the 2nd–5th centuries CE, in contrast to the Torah, which is held to be a direct revelation by God through Moses?
why was the talmud (oral law) not mentioned by Moses?
why was the talmud written down in 500AD if it is oral?
why was the talmud not written down before or at the time of Moses?
>>1328090
>>1328371
why was the Torah (5 books) written down and given at the time of Moses and why was the talmud not included in the written scripture?
protip: because the talmud was fabricated much later and could not have been written down at the time of Moses
why was the written Torah (5 books) only mentioned by Moses?
protip: because only the 5 books were the direct revelation by Jah through Moses
why does the talmud quote many conflicting and contradicting opinions?
protip: because it is not direct divine revelation given at the time of Moses, but an amalgamation of heretical opinions
why does the talmud have many conflicting opinions when the truth of the oral law given to Moses could only be in one opinion, not many opinions?
protip: because the opinions are of heretics who authored the talmud long after Moses
why does the talmud not solely speak in the name of Moses?
protip: because it was created by heretics along time after Moses
why is talmud (oral law) not explicitly mentioned in the Tanakh?
protip: because it was not given at the time of Moses and was not part of the direct revelation
why does the talmud (oral law) contain events after the time of Moses when it is claimed to be given during the time of Moses?
protip: the talmud cant be given during the time of Moses since it contains opinions, events, commentaries after the time of Moses
why does the Toah mention explicitly not to add/modify/delete (this includes not adding commentaries and opinions)?
protip: to explicitly prohibit fabrications like the talmud, kabala etc..
>>1326306
look it aint a secret. they even teach the hate in kindergartens. just some try to save face since they live outside of Israel or interact with alot of gentiles and will lose alot of influential connections
this hypocrisy is why religious Jews who adhere to the talmud should move to Israel and away from gentile countries
>>1328318
>are you aware that the advent of rabbinical Judaism is eon after the deliverance of the Torah to Moses?
Indeed, Judaism is a thousands year old religion.
>are you aware that rabbis never existed prior to Babylonian exile?
Even in Eden there's a guy that receives a commandment directly from God himself, the student gets it wrong, and that's the first of the series of apostasies, failures, and blunders called Hebrew Bible.
Those that survived followed teachers by any other name.
>the Sadducees, Karaites, Ethiopian Jews, Boho/Persian Jews (prior to their Sefardization) followed original Jewish traditions
None of which were Rabbi-free anyway, and surprisingly nobody, they all went astray.
>real original Jews following original Israelite religion
Which one? The one in Eden? The one with Israel traveling throug the desert with the cloud? The one making sacrifices in the Temple?
This Judaism thing is, like all other religions, a historical process. It changes. It continues.
The Books of Moses won't tell you what to do with electricity during the Shabbat.
>Original Judaism is close to Karaism/Karaite Judaism.
But Karaite is a 9th Century schism, which derives from Rabbinical, Talmudic Judaism.
>>1328371
>if talmud is unheritical and divine as you claim then why are there various contradicting and conflicting talmuds (babylonian, jerusalem etc..)?
The Babylonian Talmud quotes the opinions of the Rabbis in the Jerusalem Talmud.
>if talmud is oral as you claim then why was it written down?
It was written as a consequence of the inevitable huge diaspora after the destruction of the Temple and the Roman-Jewish wars. No Temple = no single safe place to guarantee that the Jewish tradition continues.
>why is the talmud in the words of people living in the 2nd–5th centuries CE, in contrast to the Torah, which is held to be a direct revelation by God through Moses?
Incidentally, the christian new testament includes references to the Oral Torah, in texts that predate the compilation of the Talmud: http://www.yashanet.com/library/articles/yeshua.htm
As you can see, christians can be useful when they're not persecuting the Jews.
>why was the talmud (oral law) not mentioned by Moses?
I just gave you the quote where he himself receives the Decalogue, the Torah and the Commandments. (Exodus 24:12).
>why was the talmud not written down before or at the time of Moses?
There was no diaspora. The Torah couldn't be completely written either because Moses was still alive.
>why does the Toah mention explicitly not to add/modify/delete (this includes not adding commentaries and opinions)?
There are 613 commandments there. The commandments haven't gone anywhere, what changes is the society in which you get to follow them. This requires Rabbis, to study and interpret them, and to solve controversies.
A revealed religion is the dialogue between the eternal and the present day.
Yes, the Jews do have a personal relationship with HaShem, that is why we call our community leaders Rabbis - teachers - and not priests.
There are many anti-communists in /pol/ and even on /his/. Jews were, and still are, a huge part of the communist movement.
Do the math.
>>1320945
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ovadia_Yosef#Final_years_and_death
>His funeral in Jerusalem was the largest in Israel's history, with an estimated attendance of 850,000. Some religious authorities have stated that this was, perhaps, the largest in-gathering of Jews since the days of the Second Temple.
>>1320886
To be honest, I believe religious Jews are actually better than secular Jews in this regard. Religious Jews believe goyim are to be enslaved by the messiah when he comes, so they are content to way. Secular Jews still want to enslave the goy, but they don't believe the messiah will do that for them, so they invented communism.
>>1328618
By do the math, you mean, don't do the math, and blindly accept the word of hysterical conspiracy theorists on 4chan by you're stupid. Let's be honest, that's what you mean by math. Do the math means you honestly believe that you're implying Communist thought still has strength in the world we live in.
>>1328630
>Secular Jews still want to enslave the goy
Yes, your fucking Jewish family down the street very obviously wants to enslave the goy, and their kids aren't disturbed by this, never let it out in any capacity ever.
And what exactly do you think of the Jewish people down the street? If they had the opinions you have towards them, held towards you, vocally, you'd brand them as evil conspirators behind your subjugation.
Not to mention goyim is js term for foriegner like Gwai'lo, or what have you throughout time. Whites have made plenty of these terms.
The inherent problem is nationalism and if you want to make the same mistakes, whether you're stupid enough to accept them blindly, it's up to you.
>>1328634
What you call "conspiracy theory" I call noticing. Noticing that Rosa Luxemburg, Béla Kun and Leon Trotsky were all Jews, for example.
>Do the math means you honestly believe that you're implying Communist thought still has strength in the world we live in.
It certainly does. Go to any university.
Read The Jewish Revolutionary Spirit by E. Michael Jones.
>>1328640
See >>1321040
It's not a conspiracy theory when they openly admit what they are doing.
>>1328642
>Noticing that Rosa Luxemburg, Béla Kun and Leon Trotsky were all Jews, for example.
Because they could afford actual educations, or were inspired to do things for various means. It's a conspiracy theory to say their motives were beyond their large bodies of works, yes.
If there was a "conspiracy", and fucking Luxemborg met Trotsky out of nowhere at that point of history, going "HEHEHEHE LET'S SEE HOW WE CAN FOOL THE GOYIM INTO BELIEVING THIS DUMB SHIT WE'VE DEVOTED OUR LIVES TO! HEHEHEHEHEHEHEHEHE", there'd be evidence, eye witness testimony, testimony from friends.
This never happened. Their bodies of work are what they believed, they fought for what they believed, and if it was part of a conspiracy, good on them but in the end it didn't work. Their points of view didn't work out in the global stage. And Trotsky met death by ice pick.
>It certainly does. Go to any university.
The classic "THE EDUCATED PEOPLE AREN'T EDUCATED MORE THAN THE UNEDUCATED!" tripe that rots out conspiracy theorists minds.
You're a fucking idiot.
>>1328652
It is a conspiracy theory because I'm honestly not going to trust badly made-for-facebook-conspiracy-theory-page fucking images. I'm just not. Cite sources.
>>1328666
>Because they could afford actual educations
I see this argument a lot. "Jews led the communist movement because they were educated unlike you, stupid goyim".
Why don't Jews led the anti-communist movement then? Why there were no Jews in the Freikorps?
>>1328642
>Go to any university
Did you? At the most a handful of memeology professors are kinda into that shit
>>1328683
>. "Jews led the communist movement because they were educated unlike you, stupid goyim".
I never said you weren't educated, nor did I say I was Jewish.
>Why don't Jews led the anti-communist movement then?
Well "The Jews didn't led" The "anti-communist movement", because they mostly did. You couldn't even name a handful of 19th to early 20th century revolutionary thinkers or mid 20th century American politicians behind anything about the subject you're talking about. There was overlap between anti-semitism and revolutionary thought, especially in the case of Bakunin compared to his also non-Jewish contemporary Kropotkin, etc.
You see history extremely generally, I don't think you're well read.
>>1328685
I did. And I remember communist thinkers like Michel Foucault and Pierre Bordieu being a huge part of the curriculum.
Other communist thinkers who have a huge influence are Herbert Marcuse and Judith Butler (who were/are Jewish, by the way). Notice how "gender identity" has become a huge thing in the West? It's all thanks to them.
>>1328710
So people had ideas you disagree with, and they're wrong because it's a conspiracy? Instead of actually engaging the material to work with, challenging yourself to read it if you disagreed with it, criticizing it when you needed, in ways that didn't bring up supposed global conspiracy into the discourse?
How were your grades?
>>1328718
>So people had ideas you disagree with, and they're wrong because it's a conspiracy?
Wrap your head around what did you just write a little bit.
If you want to argue like this you make a /pol/-tard look reasonable.
>>1320529
>Slavs
>subhuman
colour me surprised
>>1328823
What?
>>1328710
>I did study memeology
Then what did you expect? None of the actual faculties have this problem
>Notice how "gender identity" has become a huge thing in the West?
>It's an the Anglosphere is the West episode
>>1328545
you left most of the questions unanswered
>None of which were Rabbi-free anyway, and surprisingly nobody, they all went astray.
wrong, they were rabbi-free and talmud-free
>Which one?
the one following the 5 books of Moses without modification, deletion, additions (ie no talmud, no rabbis) aka 1st Temple Jews (and before), Persian Jews, Ethiopian Jews, Karaites, Saddacees etc
>But Karaite is a 9th Century
wrong. Karaite derives from Saddacees which derives from 1st Temple Judaism which derives from 5 Books of Moses (no talmud, no rabbis)
>>1328595
The Babylonian talmud also conflicts with opinions in the Jerusalem talmud.
Two different talmuds can not exist under one divine revelation,
sorry no finagling here.
but here is a bagel for your effort.
>It was written as a consequence of the inevitable huge diaspora after the destruction of the Temple and the Roman-Jewish wars.
PURE BS
the 1st Temple was destroyed, a huge diaspora occurred. nothing was written, it did not even exist.
2nd temple was destroyed, magically appears thru only the heretical Pharisees sect. The Pharisees invented rabbinism/talmudism/
Pharisees were considered heretics by the traditional Jews including Sadducees.
>christian new testament includes references to the Oral Torah
still did not answer the question, but to your false claim:
yes, in the heretical tradition of the talmudists they were early christians talmudists also created islam see >>1328077
>>Exodus 24:12
NOPE, you are wrong again
>The Lord said to Moses, “Come up to me on the mountain and stay here, and I will give you the tablets of stone with the law and commandments I have written for their instruction.”
>I have written
no mention of oral law, it was all written
The Torah states, "You shall not add to the word that I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHVH, your God, which I command you." (Deut 4:2)
see >>1327838
>613 commandments
talmud fabrication
> Torah couldn't be completely written either because Moses was still alive.
totally wrong.
the Torah was provided written and complete to Moses, .
also as mentioned earlier there was diaspora after the 1st temple, and no talmud.
talmud appears magically only after the 2nd temple heretical pharisees cult who also created christianity as you mentioned
you have provided really poor excuses with no facts and avoided most of the questions and went on unrelated tangents
>>1328969
>>1328595
Judaism stopped existing c. AD 70 with the fall of the Second Temple. One former sect, the Pharisees, cobbled together a bogus "oral law" and wrote the Talmud between AD 100 and 500 and called themselves "Jews." They formed an entirely new religion. They replaced the Tanakh with the Talmud (that's right, "Jews" don't even follow the Old Testament). They didn't have a Temple anymore (which real Judaism needed to exist). They didn't have a Priesthood anymore (they replaced priests with rabbis lol). All of their beliefs and practices were fabrications. It simply isn't the same religion. Your grandmother was a Rabbinic Talmudic Pharisee, not a Jew.
>>1328969
2nd Temple Jewish groups:
Sadducees (from Tzadik aka the Wise ones) were a continuation of 1st Temple Judaism and followed the original religion of Ancient Israel. Sadducees were the intelligent class, consisting of educated and scholared leaders.
Pharisees (heretical revisionists) your average low-class uneducated street hustlin peddlers, merchants - the common wankers. The Zealots/Sicarii were part of this group of uneducated plebs who made many persistent and violent attempts to remove the educated Sadducees and replace the original Jewish laws with their own revisionism (talmudism/rabbinism).
Essenes were the communist spiritualists. non-materialistic and focusing on spiritual development, not the power lust of the Pharisees/Zealots/Sicarii.
>>1328964
Original Jews believed that:
There is no fate
direct connection with God, no rabbi
God does not commit evil
Man has free will; “man has the free choice of good or evil”
The soul is not immortal; there is no afterlife, no resurrection
There are no rewards or penalties after death
reject revisionism (talmud, commentaries, kabala etc)
reject numerology
reject any representations of God
believe that God is infinite and can not be percieved or known
gentiles are cool
talmudists/kabalists/pharisees believe:
There is fate
God does commit evil
The soul is immortal; there is afterlife, reincarnation
There are rewards or penalties after death
accept babylonian revisionism (talmud, commentaries, kabala etc)
accept numerology (kabala)
make kabalistic representations of Jah with various illustrations and subdivide Jah into various departments
make various heretical attempts at percieving God
gentiles are evil
>>1321109
I heard someone argue that they have no sense for long term planning and that they developed the ability to think and act quickly in the short term
>>1325776
Such as?
>>1328064
>Moabite Ruth
>Moabite
Not ethnically Jewish, she converted.
David is matrilineally Jewish, but you have to accept Ruth's conversion.
Rahab isn't ethnically Jewish either, she was a native of pre-Israelite Jericho.
In the same way, European Jews are Jewish because their wives' conversions were accepted.
>2nd temple Roman Jewry was overwhelmingly (~90%) converts!
If so, how can Jewish male DNA be strongly middle eastern?
First generation of European Jews has to be ethnically Jewish and male. Women had to be converts, but intermarriage beyond 1st generation would be discouraged.
>>1320646
Screencapped because my /pol/ brain likes this narrative.
>>1325414
>"cultural marxism"
Frankfurt School
Critical theory
Micheal Walsh's The Devil's Playground is an excellent book on the founder's of that movement
>>1320498
>the hate for jews
>on /his/
/his/ is nice board
we try to keep the dialogue living and refrain from anti-historical stereotypes
this thread makes this comes to mind
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7iggyFPls4w
>>1328969
Judging from your response, you've never even read about the Talmud.
How is Islam based on Talmudism? That's a rhetorical question. It isn't.
Muhammad/Quran is not mentioned in it at all, and Muslims don't even read the Talmud. 0 contribution to Islam.
This sounds like a /pol/ conspiracy theory.
The Talmud is the written form of the Oral Law, and is valid.
See:
>>1327122
Deut 12:21 states, "you may slaughter animals as I have commanded you". The exact command wasn't written in the Torah, but still exists. It was a "revelation of God" passed down through Moses, like the other Jewish laws, but in an oral form. That makes it part of the Oral Law.
>laws and commandments I have written
>written
God also spoke to Moses (Exodus 25:1), explaining His laws. If God just handed him a few tablets, why would he stay 40 days and 40 nights?
The Talmud wasn't written because it represents ORAL law. The Oral Law existed before the Talmud was written because Jews still celebrated Hanukkah, had unique forms of prayer, followed strict dietary laws, etc., way before the Second Temple fell.
>>1329089
that's not what you mean though when you say "cultural marxism". What you mean, is actually the applied notion of democracy, the fact that there was an effort to get minorities out of ghettos and to not give mutliple sentences to political dissenters.
The idea of democracy itself (to which communists are opposed) is what is deemed as "cultural marxism" by fascists.
The Frankfurt school argument you propose is just bordering on conspiracy theory and logical leap.
Critical theory, if you know english, is a trait, a virtue to hold on, to not be dogmatic and to interpret current reality in its historical context, as Marx intended originally, to keep the theory living.
The Frankfurt school of communist theory were a group of people intending to do that exact thing - and they weren't the only ones; the letrists/situationists, the editing team of "Socialism or barbary" and the italian autonomists followed- and they influenced communist thought, they rebaptised it in the current historical circumstances, as they fucking should. They weren't a think tank, like the chicago boys, as you are trying to present as convoluted.
>>1329146
"The work of the Marxist Frankfurt scholars – Theodor Adorno, Walter Benjamin, Erich Fromm, Max Horkheimer, Herbert Marcuse (whose notion of “repressive tolerance” drives political correctness), and Wilhelm Reich – “was grounded in an ideology that demanded… an unremitting assault on Western values and institutions, including Christianity, the family, conventional sexual morality, nationalistic patriotism, and adherence in general to any institution or set of beliefs that blocked the path of revolution. Literally nothing was sacred.” As they saw it, “[t]he system had to go because it was blocking the Marxist arc of history, that rainbow that would end somewhere, somehow, in a pot of gold in a humble proletarian field.”"
Lopez: What is Critical Theory exactly and how did it subvert the West?
Walsh: Critical Theory was the notion, promulgated by the cultural Marxists of the Frankfurt School, that simply states there is nothing — no custom, institution, or moral precept — that is beyond criticizing, and destroying. “Who will save us from Western culture?” famously wondered Georg Lukács, one of the Frankfurters’ founding fathers. It is license to vandalize, and the fact that it was so swiftly embraced by American academe after the war remains a national disgrace.
>>1329144
Why not just tripfag Hitler?
>>1329176
>an unremitting assault on Western values
what are western values?
>including Christianity
Historical materialism is critical of religion, that's nothing new or secret. The Frankfurt school didn't "invent" that.
>conventional sexual morality
have you read the actual Communist Manifesto? the book written by Marx and Engels and published in 1848?
>Literally nothing was sacred
mah gahd, someone save us from the immorals!
>>1329212
>>1329224
I am serious
>>1320498
Success breeds jealousy.
>>1329013
>talmudists/kabalists/pharisees
Please explain how Kabbalah, a 15th century movement, fits with the Talmud.
>Talmud
Oral Law, specific explanations of Jewish customs. The Torah has laws, but does not go into specific detail.
Ex., don't mix meat and milk is rule in Torah, time to wait between eating them still needs to be established.
Here is where the Talmud comes in. Using the Oral Law, or specific customs, it tells the waiting time between eating meat and drinking milk. (6 hours, if you're interested).
It is not "Babylonian", but fully Jewish in origin. The specific rules have always been with the Jews(see example above). It was written down to preserve its precepts for future generations in the face of wars like that with Rome.
>Pharisees
A movement that valued the Oral Law, transformed into modern Judaism before the Oral Law was written down in the form of the Talmud. Kabbalah didn't exist yet and neither did the Talmud.
>Kabbalah
roots go back to Biblical times, but the modern movement was made by Solomon Luria in the 15th century.
Vast majority of Jews don't follow it, including the Orthodox + Reform schools.
>make various heretical attempts at percieving God
The Torah describes God, is it also heretical? The Talmud doesn't describe God in any more depth than the Torah.
Kabbalah isn't representative of all Jews because the vast majority don't follow it.
>gentiles are evil
Jews don't believe that non-Jews are evil, just like Christians don't believe non-Christians are evil.
/pol/ memes aren't actual theology.
>>1329212
You don't have an argument though. The only thing that comes close is the ridiculous claim that marxists are for a nuclear family.
Marxists argue that the nuclear family performs ideological functions for Capitalism – the family acts as a unit of consumption and teaches passive acceptance of hierarchy. It is also the institution through which the wealthy pass down their private property to their children, thus reproducing class inequality.
In short, marxists are against an actual unified family, and thus against western sexual morality.
>>1329284
>You don't have an argument though
he tries to present his sources as something credible and I 'm the one who doesn't provide an argument?? Are you serious??? are you fucking serious???
refute anything from my post (the one you quoted).
To save you the time, just answer if you have read the Communist Manifesto. Most of the things his "book" mentions, are already covered in one of the most known communist publications, one that is known literally throughout the globe, by all nations.
And along comes the 555-TRUTH writer and I 'm supposed to sit down and post something constructive to refute it? It's your responsibility to be educated, not mine.
>>1329089
>book for idiots
yeah...Stop reading garbage and actually read the works of the members of the Frankfurt school.
>>1329300
I just refuted >conventional sexual morality that marxists are apparently for. Engels was for the destruction of the family unit (The Origin of the Family, Private Property and the State) because it was according to him a forced, patriarchal institution in which.. Well, just read what Engels wrote.
>It develops from the pairing family, as we have already shown, during the time of transition from the middle to the higher stage of barbarism. Its final victory is one of the signs of beginning civilization. It is founded on male supremacy for the pronounced purpose of breeding children of indisputable paternal lineage. The latter is required, because these children shall later on inherit the fortune of their father. The monogamous family is distinguished from the pairing family by the far greater durability of wedlock, which can no longer be dissolved at the pleasure of either party. As a rule, it is only the man who can still dissolve it and cast off his wife.
>>1329327
and I 've been trying to tell you that for the past three posts or so, we 've been discussing Marx and Engels, not the Frankfurt school. You tried to present them as a sort of conspiratorial think tank of the international jewery, while you were quoting Engels, someone who wrote 90 years before the Frankfurt school
i'm just passing by, this thread was on main page and got me interested
i have to commend you for actually trying to retrieve and analyze sources for your arguments, not just blindly believing anything you find on the internet
you're more /sci/ than /sci/
keep this up
>>1329343
>we 've been discussing Marx and Engels, not the Frankfurt school
You havn't though. From the very first post you raved about cultural marxism. Cultural marxism which is a practise/ideology/whathaveyou invented by the frankfurt school thinktank and spread to (and through) western marxists.
And come on m8, you said Engels (and Marx) was for conventional sexual morality, when this is clearly not the case just by looking at his writings.
>>1329355
I go to great lengths to find support for notions I allready hold.
>>1329374
>you said Engels (and Marx) was for conventional sexual morality
can you please quote the exact phrase I used?
>I go to great lengths to find support for notions I allready hold.
that's not the meaning of learning now, is it?
>>1329376
>can you please quote the exact phrase I used?
Screenshotted for ur pleasure, otherwise found in post >>1329212 where you implied that Marxists do not want to destroy conventional sexual morality.
>>1322773
As decided by the government that killed Jesus, 300 years after he died.
Seriously. If your government killed you, and five of your close friends wrote biographies of you 40-50 years after you died, that then got made into a religion, that then got argued over by your people as they were scattered across an empire, and THEN, 3 centuries after your death, the leader of your government and a bunch of arguing priests decided to ratify what was canon about your life, would their decision necessarily have any bearings on your ideas and life?
>>1329385
have you read the actual Communist Manifesto? The one where Marx and Engels criticise the bourgeois morals and, as a consequence, marriage?
Critique of bourgeois morals was not established with the Frankfurt school.
>>1324525
>I used to browse /pol/ a long time ago when they used to be libertarians
/pol/ libertarians show up only when someone (like some alt right idol) insult /pol/ and call it out as neo nazi board, they show and say it's unfair to label entire board this way and don't show up that much when does it's nazi circlejerk or shit on libertarianism.
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>>1329327
Marx and Engels were also right about a great deal we now know in their speculation of how the world came to be this way, and why such double standards exist in our world; whether or not you agree with them politically.
They claimed before the neolithic, the paleolithic might not have been the primitive women raping women hating, violent savages we made them out to be, at least in Eurasia. And for a number of reasons we now know, it seems they were right in their speculation. You see, across the globe in Eurasia, paleolithic cultures seem to do one thing universally. And that's not to represent the idealized male form.
They obsessed about, obese women actually. Curvaceous, and pregnant, and fertile. Across paleolithic sites we know of, all cultures seem to have one thing in common: women are important, primarily, to the function of the tribe. Marx and Engels suggested that surviving for longer than we've been civilized brought them culturally to a conclusion of, none of this happens without women, and they might have started religiously worshiping them for their form, and their importance to survival. And, that's not really a far off assessment after the amount of anthropological discovery. Not to assume they was a total primordial culture, but that ideas for how the world was over thousands, and I mean thousands of years, it was accepted as norm. To put in perspective, traditions like these may have existed longer than the civilizations in the Neolithic and Iron Age, and those civilizations? Lasted longer than AD has existed.
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>>1329417
>>1329327
It seems that women were worshiped for their ability to keep a tribe stable, to keep a population; maybe the pain they went through, and the amount of pain and suffering, loss, death, everyone went through. It's not hard to see where maternity could reach a hold to a people this lost in a world they truly do not understand.
So to say that speculating, where our cultural ideas came from, means destroying them, isn't fully accurate. But asking if there's more to the exploitation existent in our dynamics of sex, I think, is perfectly valid, especially for their time. Thinking this is all conspiratorial is nonsense, it's the pursuit of knowledge.
This is all fascinating to me, because it throws everything we think about how sexes interact in humans in question, people often throw as natural, and this is the way it must be. What family meant for a majority of human time, was different.
>>1321698
It was the rejection of Jesus and the choosing of Barabas. They were offered a choice. The Romans washed their hands of the murder and saw what Jesus truly was. The Jews rejected all of this. The Jews who called for hid death were the Pharisees who later became the Rabbi of modern Judaism.
>>1329420
What country do you come from?
>>1329425
France.
>>1328706
Not him.
Your initial response to him makes no sense, though.
Goyim means non-jew. He was calling you a non-jew.
And you respond with "I'm not Jewish" as though he was calling you a Jew.
He said you were uneducated, and you said "I never said you weren't educated."
Neither of those things make sense as a response.
I swear sometimes 4chan conversations devolve because of the anonymity.
W/e
>>1320552
>No pretty sure the fact that Judaism teaches that non-Jews are inherently inferior and were created to serve Jews
Every ideology plays this stupid fucking game.
Unless they're on a downswing, then they act humble and ready to help.
>>1321498
Just because /pol/ is perpetually shitposting does not mean that these are common opinions among native /his/ posters.
I actually see quite a bit of reasonable discussion here between a diversity of opinions and if you look at the majority of /pol/ threads, they are usually met with scrutiny that they simply cannot stand up to.
>>1320668
You are now part of my "Reasonable people" victory collage
>>1329406
>Critique of bourgeois morals was not established with the Frankfurt school.
No one is claiming otherwise senpai. But the Frankfurt school is the driving force behind, well, cultural marxism, undermining these ''bad' values before the revolution the holy text of marxism foretells.
>>1329417
>>1329418
Mildly interesting. But frankfurt school isn't seriously researching anything, they're a Marxist Hegelian thinktank promoting said Marxist Hegelian agenda, wildly speculating to give their thoughts logical ground.
>>1329454
I never brought the Frankfurt school up, and neither did you. I was talking Marx and Engels, and so were you. They weren't part of the Frankfurt school. Cultural Marxism as conspiracy is hokey nonsense because it's effectively dead. It was speculation how to introduce revolutionary ideas into the public consciousness at the rate Capitalism introduces its own ideas into the public. It never reached hold, and because of the nature of the idea itself, it's easy to conspiratize over, just "What if...", those ideas rule the world. Without realizing what they were approaching to combat effectively does because of its effective nature at subversion. In other words, the fault of "Cultural Marxism" conspiracy theorists is there's not a clear reason why they don't focus on other means of cultural subversion very obvious, if cultural subversion is bad to them, or have reasons justifiable enough to suggest turn of the century into almost mid century ideas have any effect on the global climate today.
>>1325414
YT comments are usually not place where SJW hang out. They turn off comments on their videos, dont engage directly with oposition but only do their own video responses. Like to hang out in echo chambers on tumbrl, twitters and reddit instead. From those they can be violent and vicious as much as most agresive anons. Plus they have often support of admins and mods on many sites who silence or ban people.
I'm not defending /pol/ and similar. They are still bad as SJW even if diffrent. But anti SJW is much bigger group than that and they often are in conflict with /pol/ types for not being far right fucktard or even having liberal/left leaning.
>>1327944
For controled oposition they sure are not good for that since SJW and mainstream still cry how terrible GG is and they getting victimised one way or another. Even if Gamergate died down and got often distracted by infighing.
>>1324023
It's true that there are really bigoted Jews, but /pol/ and unironic neo-nazis seem to think there is some organized conspiracy among anyone they consider a Jew, even those not actually practicing or believing in Judaism.
>>1329454
>But the Frankfurt school is the driving force behind, well, cultural marxism
>they're a Marxist Hegelian thinktank
allright, how am I supposed to counterargue when I already said they weren't a think tank and cultural marxism is not real?
for which btw I did engage in an argument, see>>1329146
a think tank implies labour relation; they get paid to create hardlines and ways to sell them.
The Frankfurt school was not hired by anyone to DO THE THINGS THEY GOT KNOWN FOR (there's a reason I 'm highlighting this), they didn't try to infiltrate anything, they were communists who tried to find the meaning of communism in their era, being critical about their era's superstructure and what it gave away about the social abse, the economy.
You are trying to convince that the movement from them towards today's lgbtq rights (I bet) was intentional, in other words tracing a line in the movement of history, that is not there to be drawn.
mostly not actual Jews, but current Israelis who will agitate Armageddon for all eternity to keep us out of space and divided here on earth for satin who is also yahwh . some of whom are Zionist, elshasdar, elod, hizsbeck,saa,hezbola,and mainly isis. read pic related. caution RED PILL!!!111!!!!11!!!1
also mosses is a traitor to earth edition.
>>1329447
You're incorrect and the Jews really do ruin everything they touch.
>>1320552
That's the product of the rabbinic orthodox Jews that are parasites - which the poster above mentioned.
THe intelligence level of the texts are low, some ideas of them might've slipped into secular Jews because...they grew up together, and the orthodox Jews often stop them on street and pray for them and give them from time to time an education.
>>1329198
not creative enough
>>1328964
Torah scrolls were written without vowels.
The vowels come entirely from the Oral Torah, that tells you how to interpret the Bible, because if you get the vowels wrong, the meanings can change.
The Masoretes standarized the text of the Hebrew Bible with vowels, but for millennia the vowels weren't written down in the untranslated Hebrew.
Jews and christians wouldn't have a Bible without the Oral Torah.
>>1328969
>The Torah states, "You shall not add to the word that I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHVH, your God, which I command you." (Deut 4:2)
When Jeremiah in 17:22 states you should not carry burdens during the Shabbat, is he adding to the Torah? The Torah just says not to work, and Jeremiah is not a book of the Torah, it's a book of the Nevi'im.
If you were consistent, you would reject your beloved scriptures.
The Oral Torah also tells you how "an eye for an eye" is supposed to be interpreted, i.e. monetary compensation proportional to the offense, not plucking people's eyes.
Fun fact: Karaite "Jews" in Israel do not eat in Kosher restaurants, because they reject the "Pharisaic" method of slaughtering animals, and they had to manufacture their own, and the rest of the Oral Torah, because they needed a tradition of their own, including ritual slaughter, Rabbis, and all the trappings of any Jewish sect.
>tfw 1/8th Jew and a bigger anti semite than most people
>>1329144
your reading comprehension is a major obstacle in overcoming your retardation
reread >>1328077 >>1328079
>So much, indeed, was Muhammad indebted to the talmud that the Qur'an has been described as a compendium of Talmudic Judaism. (Blair, The Sources of Islam, p. 55).
the above citation means that the talmud was the source of the quran
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol1/5b.html
tl;dr islam is talmudism
>Deut 12:21 states, "you may slaughter animals as I have commanded you". The exact command wasn't written in the Torah
just another FALSE statement to add to your list of LIES
Deuteronomy is part of the written Torah given to Moses. The Torah exactly details these laws.
i suggest you read the written Torah (which includes Deuteronomy) before you make fake claims
>The Oral Law existed before the Talmud was written because Jews still celebrated Hanukkah
another retarded statement
Hanukkah did not even exist during the deliverance of the Torah
Hanukkah was not celebrated prior to the 2nd temple. hannukah came around the macabi revolt during the 2nd temple, a time of rabbinical herecism (pharisees)
all your arguments are beyond absurd
you should stop embarassing yourself and just accept that you know nothing
>>1329260
kabala and talmud both originate are heretical and foreign to traditional Judaism as explained in detail in previous posts
the kabala goes back to babylonian demonology and greek mysticism (gnosticism, platonism, paganism)
your lack of reading comprehension only magnifies your weak, irrational arguments and destroys your credibility
>The Torah has laws, but does not go into specific detail.
but the Torah does, your low intelligence prohibits you from understanding that
prior to the advent of rabbinical herecism, the Torah was the sole source for Judaism, as commanded by Moses in the Torah
fun fact: before the appearance of heretical pharisees, ancient Israelites solely practiced what was in the Torah including: 1st Temple Judaism, Sadducees (2nd Temple), and prior to 1st Temple Judaism
the rejection of the Torah as the sole source and introduction of talmud appears only with the pharisees cult of the 2nd temple
the pharisees cult created the talmud and were the only ones who accepted it. traditional Jews outright rejected the pharisees and their heresy.
try to slowly read the Torah, a good part is Deuteronomy which details these laws.
not expecting you fully comprehend much of it
> doesn't describe God in any more depth than the Torah.
what is the sephirot and tons of other blasphemic shit from the kabala and talmud
expecting you to continue with your lies and deny these facts with more weak and false claims
but you failed miserably to validate the herecy of the talmud and kabala
>>1329488
> organized conspiracy
understand that talmudists actually preach hatred of gentiles and do call them cattle
the goal of chassids is to summon the messiah. when the messiah comes the remaining goyim will be slaves
the chasids/talmudists had many failed messiahs Sabbatai Tzvi, Jacob Frank, rabbis.... talmudists failed everytime and there would be mass conversions to islam/christianity as a result.
the remaining chasids decided to reform the failed movement by claiming that messiah will not come until the chassids bring about the conditions of the messianic age by themselves. instead of waiting for the messiah the chassids would actively work to change the world to fulfill the conditions of the return of the messiah
what are the conditions? well some say armageddon, some say war, strife, deprivity, degradation, misery, globalisation etc...
some chassids go as far as to say the messiah is not a person, but a state of the world, and it is upon the chassids to actively transform the state until it is reached
indeed they share alot in common with other messianics such as evangelicals and islamists (all trying to change the world to bring about the messiah)
protip: messianic judaism is not traditional Judaism
Cyrus the Great was held as the messiah since he rebuilt the temple and returned the Israelites
after him, talmudists began to wish for another messiah to allow talmudists to regain Israel from Greeks/Romans
they created the apoclyptic messianic fantasy, along with talmudism, and adopting the kabala from babylonians/greeks
Chassids are messianic. Chassids are a result of Sabbatai Tzvi and are a continuation of Sabbateans. They adapted their movement to overcome the failures of Sabbatai,
>>1330671
as mentioned
the following ancient traditional Israelites solely practiced the Torah with no talmud:
ancient Israelites (prior to 1st Temple Judaism), 1st Temple Judaism, Sadducees (2nd Temple priests and traditional Jews), Ethipian Jews, Karaites, Persian Jews
the only >>1328982
the 2nd temple priests (Sadducees) being experts, scholars outright rejected the pharisees and heretical oral law
>the 2nd temple priests outright rejected the pharisees
>the 2nd temple priests outright rejected the heretical oral law
how could Sadducees being leaders, scholars and continuation of 1st Temple Judaism reject oral law if you claim that it was part of their rituals and beliefs?
awaiting further mental gymnastics and lies from you
>>1329067
there is no proof of conversion of european jews
all claims by ashkenazis are self-professed and unhalakhic
the males are not proven to be Jewish either, they have categorically Italian and European DNA, nothing exclusive to Hebrews
see >>1328028
>>1329630
>>1328305
they are literally spamming and leeching off society and contributing nothing positive --they only wish for destruction, armageddon, and enslavement of humanity
if they were righteous then why do they voluntarily sit on welfare and leech off the work of the poor working class.
go to america, canada, israel, australia, uk. the chassids overwhelm the welfare offices. they voluntarily burden society until it collapses.
they voluntarily steal charity away from the real poor while faking poverty in order to steal more wealth from the working class aka slaves.
a righteous person would not burden society and fake being poor in order to qualify for welfare, they would give everything to charity. a righteous person would not sit on their fat ass on welfare and shit out 20 inbred crypto-nazis to leech more government funds
and they stubbornly excuse themselves from any benevolent actions towards society.
where are the hasidic talmud charity organisations providing food, shelter, clothing, medicine to impoverished 3rd world africa, india, asia?
where are the hasidic talmud charity organisations helping the millions of gentile poor in their own countries?
but go to the welfare office and they are there
go to the diamond disrict and they are there
go to the financial disrict and they are there
speculating and acquiring new real estate, assets and resources
>>1330782
the messianic conditions which the talmudists actively seek is an apocalyptic world of globalised chaos, sin, religious war
they believe that poisoning humans and turning them into sinners will invoke the great punishment and purge
thus influencing and creating global degeneration and chaos is in the order
this apocalyptic fantasy was adopted from babylonian religion
tl;dr they believe that they will profit from the coming of the messiah by forcing/selling others into chaos/evil
>>1331077
>>1330782
>>1331072
>>1330781
>kabala is babylonian paganism
>Secrets of Kabbalah: The Ancient Babylonian Mysticism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxJ8XVCnbKI
KABBALAH, Credo of the Babylonian Cult
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp5cUH-SzA4
> KABBALAH THE RELIGION OF THE CHALDEANS
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/rph/rph22.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Kabbalah/kaballah_satanic.htm
http://talmudical.blogspot.com
>Secrets of Kabbalah: The Ancient Babylonian Mysticism
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxJ8XVCnbKI
KABBALAH, Credo of the Babylonian Cult
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp5cUH-SzA4
> KABBALAH THE RELIGION OF THE CHALDEANS
http://www.sacred-texts.com/jud/rph/rph22.htm
http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Kabbalah/kaballah_satanic.htm
>>1331077
You're describing Jacob Frank, but not Hasidism. Hasids want to bring about the Messianic age, but they do so by returning Jews to the fold, not by perverting the world.
Though "redemption through sin" sounds fun as hell desu
>>1321498
>tfw /his/jws safespace is getting breached
i can smell the libtard tears from here. posts like those will continue untill you fuck off to reddit
>>1321250
the jews in the konkan and malabar adapted local customs and were part enough of the indian communities enough that they were only distinct based on their saturday sabbath.
>>1331190
you are fooling no one chassid and you cant fool a fellow "chassid"
we infiltrated your heretical demonic talmudist cult
talmudist/chassids are active in transforming the world to that of their apocalyptic/genocidal fantasy
>>1330671
>talmud is heresy
talmudists islamist-tier
Jews are called human beings, but the non Jews are not humans! They are beasts! [Talmud: Baba mezia, 114b.]
The non Jew is like a dog! Yes, the Jewish scripture teaches us to honour the dog more than the non Jew! [Ereget Raschi Erod, 22, 30.]
Baba Mezia, 59b a rabbi once debated with god and defeated him, with god admitting that the rabbi won the debate!
Abodah Zarah, 17a states that there is not a whore in the world that Rabbi Eleazar has not had sex with!
Non Jewish girls are in a state of filth from birth! [Abodah Zarah, 36b.]
If you eat with a non Jew, it is the same as eating with a dog! [Tosapoth, Jebamoth, 94b.]
Sex between non Jews is like sex between animals! [Talmud Sanhedrin, 74b.]
It is permitted to take the body and the life of a non Jew! [Sepher ikkarim, III, 25.]
Jews may use lies to circumvent a non Jew! Non Jewish children are subhuman! All non Jew children are animals! [Yebamoth, 98a.]
Jews may rob and kill non Jews! When a Jew murders a non Jew, there will be no death penalty! What a Jew steals from a non Jew he may keep! [Sanhedrin 57a.]
Non Jews are outside the protection of the Law, and god has exposed their money to Israel! [Baba Kamma, 37b.]
Menahoth, 43b-44a states that a Jewish man must say the following prayer every day: Thank you, god, for not making me into a non Jew, a woman, or a slave!
Soferim, 15, rule 10 says that even the best of the non Jews should all be killed! (Israelis annually take part in a national pilgrimage to the grave of Simon ben Yohai, to honour this rabbi who advocated the extermination of non Jews!
Every Jew, who spills the blood of the godless non Jews, is doing the same as making a sacrifice to god! [Bammidber raba, 21; Jalkut, 772.]
The talmud is talmudism's holiest book! Its authority takes precedence over the Old Testament in Judaism! [Erubin, 21b.]
>>1331659
>talmudists islamist-tier
Are you just gonna ignore all the genocide and slavery in the Torah?
>>1320498
/pol/ is not /his/. They come here and shit up the board with stupid shit.
>>1329447
I hope you are being sarcastic because you could have gone to Reddit for that quote and a million more like them
>>1331679
the Torah is 5 Books of Moses
Genesis Brʾeišyt
Exodus Šemot
Leviticus Wayiqra
Numbers Bəmidbar
Deuteronomy Devarim
the 10 commandments clearly express the laws of the ancient Israelites and prohibit genocide and acts of evil, though it details such events did occur
the talmud is a heretical fabrication that goes against the 10 commandments and the Torah
the talmud is also the basis of the islamist quran, as detailed ITT
the talmud is the creation of rabbinical sect (pharisees) that appeared after the 2nd temple as detailed ITT
the heretical rabbinical/talmudic sect (pharisees) conflicted with traditional Judaism (Sadducees) s detailed ITT
>>1320498
I'm a /pol/ tard that frequents this board.
My contempt for he Jews can be explain by this photo.
I don't hate all the Jews but many Jews harbor a hatred for whites and white countries that boil over not to terrorist attacks or violent crime but the infiltration of our very government and banks with the intent to obliderate the entire culture.
Of course not all Jews are bad and we don't adore hitler those are just memes but some faggots take them literally regurgitate the stale memes everywhere they go. You can spot these types on YouTube many have a variation of merchant meme.
>He hath disgraced me, and hindered me half a million, laughed at my losses, mocked at my gains, scorned my nation, thwarted my bargains, cooled my friends, heated mine enemies; and what's his reason? I am a Jew. Hath not a Jew eyes? Hath not a Jew hands, organs, dimensions, senses, affections, passions? Fed with the same food, hurt with the same weapons, subject to the same means, warmed and cooled by the same winter and summer, as a Christian is? If you prick us, do we not bleed? If you tickle us, do we not laugh? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge?
If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that. If a Jew wrong a Christian, what is his humility? Revenge. If a Christian wrong a Jew, what should his sufferance be by Christian example? Why, revenge. The villainy you teach me I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction.
>>1331730
That nigga isnt real.
>>1331734
How about this one?
>>1320504
/thread
>>1320504
Jesus was Jewish.
>>1321109
are Jews and nerds the same thing to you? Do you not think there are smart white people or asians or anything?
Like this is just a guide to dealing with people who think more abstractly than you, ie have a higher IQ than you.
AYE THEY'RE USEFUL BUT U GOTTA HIT EM AROUND A BIT TO REMIND EM WHOS BOSS HYUH HYUH HYUH
this is why they hate you, fucking monkey
>>1331142
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vxJ8XVCnbKI [Embed]
>KABBALAH, Credo of the Babylonian Cult
>http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sp5cUH-SzA4 [Embed]
youtube isn't a source
>http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Kabbalah/kaballah_satanic.htm
>http://talmudical.blogspot.com
blogs aren't sources, especially ones as dumb as those.
regardless even if the shit you are saying is true (it's not) the vast majority of jews do not follow in kabbalah.
>>1321109
looking at this post jews definitely do not have a monopoly on autism
>>1330780
>reread >>1328077 >>1328079
Good job citing yourself. I'm not replying to that a second time because your sources are absolute shit.
Looking at those sources,
>Blair, The Sources of Islam
He is a 1920's missionary shitting on Islam to get Muslims to convert. Outdated and hopelessly biased.
>http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol1/5b.html
Same as above, goal is to convert Muslims, not present any academic discourse. Actually cites the first source.
My personal favorite:
> Bloach Publishing company, 1954
You cited a fucking publishing company.
>tl;dr islam is talmudism
As I stated before, the Talmud isn't a Jewish conspiracy. If you have ever read it or read about it on a non-conspiracy website, you would know that it is an elaboration of Jewish laws in depth.
An example that I stated which you clearly didn't read was about the rule of not mixing meat and milk (Exodus 23:19). A problem resulting from the rule is that Jews don't know how long to wait between eating meat and drinking milk.
The Talmud solves this by stating the time (6 hours). In this fashion, the Talmud gives specific details to help carry out all the rules of the Torah.
Muhammad didn't read the Talmud because he has no interest in Oral Law- why would Muslims care how long to wait between eating meat and drinking milk? It's not a part of their dietary laws. Jewish customs are not relevant to Muslims.
>Deuteronomy is part of the written Torah given to Moses. The Torah exactly details these laws.
Exact text so you can read it.
"... you may slaughter animals from the herds and flocks the Lord has given you, as I have commanded you" (Deut. 12:21).
You say the Torah "exactly details" this command, but it does not. Nowhere in the Torah is it written how to carry out the sacrifice.
The Talmud is justified because the Oral Law it describes is the sole source of how to follow Deut. 12:21's command.
>>1331977
why are you still trying to redeem your failures?
you already failed to give a factual and logical answer to the issues
this is your 10th attempt and delivering fresh turds to this thread
you were btfo
all your false claims have been exposed
now get lost heretic
>>1332048
wow what a response, he literally took down all of your sources, and he's the one who lost the argument.
>>1330781
The Talmud is accepted by ~100% of Jews. Karaites don't accept it, but there are about 50,000 of them compared to 14 million Jews worldwide.
Kabbalah is accepted by <10%. The ones who do are Hasidic Jews, not the mainstream Orthodox and Reform Jews that others have contact with.
You can't present the latter as something Jews believe in if 90%+ don't.
>The Torah has laws, but does not go into specific detail.
Jewish customs are very specific. For example, dietary laws cover every food known to man. The basic rules are in the Torah(no pork, don't mix milk with meat, etc), but not all food items are covered.
The exact rules for all food items and exceptions/applications need to be elaborated elsewhere so Jews know what they can and cannot eat.
The Talmud records the Oral Law, the extremely specific rules, to resolve this problem. That's how Jews use it.
Talmud is verified as Jewish tradition.
Kabbalah isn't Jewish tradition because most of them don't believe in it. Just because you don't understand it doesn't make it a conspiracy. It's not relevant to the vast majority of Jews.
>>1332048
My bad, I thought /his/ was a place for actual historical discussion.
>>1331977
>talmudists created quran/islamism as detailed in countless scholarly studies
Jeffery, The Foreign Vocabulary of the Qur'an,
Katsh, Judaism in Islam)
Blair, The Sources of Islam,
Rosenthal, Judaism and Islam
Tisdall, The Original Sources of the Qur'an).
Geiger, Judaism and Islam,
Guillaume, "The Influence of Judaism on Islam", The Legacy of Israel
MacDonald, Aspects of Islam,
Jeffery, The Foreign Vocabulary of the Qur'an,
he Sublime Qur'an and OrientaIism
http://www.answering-islam.org/Gilchrist/Vol1/5b.html
sorry your retarded tantrums aint gonna change the facts
>>1332081
he literally took down your grandmother
the facts are just too much butthurt for your prolapsed anus to handle at once
>>1331659
>>1332118
Since God already gave the Torah to the Jewish people on Mt. Sinai we no longer pay attention to heavenly voices. God must submit to the decisions of a majority vote of the rabbis.”
—BT Bava Metzia 59b
Baba Mezia, 59b a rabbi once debated with god and defeated him, with god admitting that the rabbi won the debate!
>>1320498
>Can someone explain to me the hate on /his/ and 4chan for Jews?
FIFY
>>1324036
They asked for it. Technically they are the reason.
>>1332143
would you mind posting a quote from one of those studies to confim that they actually do say that.
why would anyone like jews?
>>1332198
Latkes and Mel Brooks.
>>1332118
>The Talmud is accepted by ~100% of Jew
oh those same heretic roman converts that claim to be hebrews
yes a̶s̶h̶k̶e̶n̶a̶z̶i̶s̶ roman converts 90% majority of muh heritage WE WUZ HEBRUZ role players
the rest being sefardics and others that were forced to convert to talmudism very recently
talmudism is a religion apart from ancient Israelite
those roman converts have nothing to do with Hebrews
those roman converts follow talmudism
and roleplay as the direct genetic descendants of 7th century Judeans.
talmud is rejected by temple priests, traditional Jews. Sadducees, Karaites, Ethiopian Jews, Boho/Persian Jews (prior to their Sefardization) followed original Jewish traditions. they reject the talmud
>>1331072
enjoy your blasphemy
>>1331659
you that roman muh heritage losers worshipping the devil is your ancestral role
so it makes perfect sense with everything you do
keep at it you demonic talmudists
>>1332198
Steven Spielberg made some great movies.
>>1332191
>being this cheap and lazy
>This accounts for the seeming discrepancies between the stories of :he Bible and the Koranic version of the same narratives. However, in relating the Koranic version of the biblical story to the Aggadic source as indicated in our study, the discrepancies almost entirely disappear. For, astonishingly enough, the biblical narratives are reproduced in the Koran in true Talmudic cloak. (Katsh, Judaism in Islam,
>So much, indeed, was Muhammad indebted to the Jews for a great portion of his teaching on this and other subjects that the Qur'an has been described as a compendium of Talmudic Judaism.
>>1332198
They done more for the world then any other race
>>1331659
>Quote mining the Talmud
wew
>>1329144
your talmudic claims:
>hanuka existed at the time of Moses and the deliverance of the Torah (contrary to historical facts)
the talmud (oral heresy) could not be delivered at the time of Moses as you claim, since it contains events that are thousands of years after
hanukah is from the 2nd temple
see >>1330780
>rabbis existed at the time of Moses and the deliverance of the Torah (contrary to historical facts)
the talmud (oral heresy) could not be delivered at the time of Moses as you claim, since the rabbis in the talmud are thousands of years after
rabbis (rabbinicals) appeared during/after the 2nd temple
>talmud(oral heresy) existed at the time of Moses and the deliverance of the Torah (contrary to historical facts)
none of the rabbis, events of the talmud(oral heresy) existed at the time of Moses
also the Torah explictly states against oral heresy, by explicitly defining the Torah as written:
The Torah states, "You shall not add to the word that I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHVH, your God, which I command you." (Deut 4:2)
When God told Moses to come up to Mount Sinai to receive the Torah He said, "Come up to me into the mountain, and be there: and I will give you tablets of stone, and a law, and commandments that I have written"; (Ex 24:12). The text states the commands are written, and no mention is made of an oral heresy.
"This book of the law is not to depart out of your mouth, but you are to meditate on it day and night, so that you may observe to do according to all that is written in it"
see >>1326292 >>1326297
>>1329144
your talmudic claims:
>talmudists follow the Jewish calender (contrary to the fact that they follow babylonian calender)
talmudist heretical sect, do not follow the calendar given to the People of Israel in the Tanach.[63] Making this worse, the talmudist "were influenced by the pagan Babylonian religion" when they began to follow their calendar.[64] "During their sojourn in Babylonia our ancestors began to use the pagan Babylonian month names, a fact readily admitted in the Talmud: “The names of the months came up with them from Babylonia.” (Jerusalem Talmud, Rosh Hashanah 1:2 56d)"
>ancient Israelites (non-pharisees), Temple Priests are all wrong for rejecting the talmud as heresy
>roman converts are the real Jews (contrary to historical/genetic facts)
see >>1328035 >>1328028
>talmud/rabbi authority takes precedence over the Torah (contrary to the command of Jah)
The Torah states, "You shall not add to the word that I am commanding you, nor take away from it, that you may keep the commandments of YHVH, your God, which I command you." (Deut 4:2)
see >>1327838
>talmud/rabbi authority takes precedence over God (which is blashpemy)
Since God already gave the Torah to the Jewish people on Mt. Sinai we no longer pay attention to heavenly voices. God must submit to the decisions of a majority vote of the rabbis.”
—BT Bava Metzia 59b
Baba Mezia, 59b a rabbi once debated with god and defeated him, with god admitting that the rabbi won the debate!
>>1329417
>ancient cultures produced sculptures of women
>therefore they treated women with respect
Huge logical leap. Most patriarchal cultures have examples of female divinity, and sculptures of them. I don't think the ancient Roman's did a lot of privilege checking.
>>1325414
If cultural marxism isn't real why does grandma change the subject whenever I bring up eugenics and phrenology at thanksgiving dinner?
Checkmate cucks.
>>1331740
If you actually fact checked that image you'd know that it's fake.
>>1334532
>Huge logical leap. Most patriarchal cultures have examples of female divinity, and sculptures of them.
It may be a huge logic leap because we simply do not understand much of Paleolithic culture, as they left no form of language or writing. What we do know is those cultures that do, still draw the male form as significant. Paleolithic cultures do not. While, suggesting much from this isn't more than speculation, it's all anthropologists have to go on.
When the male form is representative in paleolithic culture, it's small and insignificant compared to the female form. Mostly skinny, almost sickly, compared to the women of their time, which are drawn large. We can only assume so much from this.
We could assume that their detailed representation of animals of their time could be evocative of masculinity, but exactly would they draw or sculpt human male form as smaller compared to the feminine?
We could find something that breaks this logic apart, but these people across Eurasia, had no form of writing we know of, if they did it was almost totally alien to others different across regions. What we have is their art. What our art tells us is that they thought male figure less significant than female.
What we can gather from that is only speculation, but considering early in time in the Fertile Crescent, art forms made important figures larger than unimportant figures, that this representation seemingly stayed consistent from before Sumeria, into Sumeria. That women played a substantial part of Late Paleolithic Eurasian life, in a way far different than culture later recognized.
