Who fucked up to allow this to happen?
>>1317636
No one allowed it. Iranians and Chinks are just weak. Same goes for Russians.
>>1317636
Agriculturalists, obviously.
Agriculturalists have the capacity to outperform nomads in every way but that doesn't mean they always do.
>>1317636
Gengis Khan a very clever military leader and the cavalry of the Mongolian troops were very efficient.
However, the signnificant lack of cummunication - due to the era - inside the borders of the empire led to its destruction.
>>1317636
Khwarazm Shahs
>>1317636
>you wont ever be a soldier of the empire who raped and plundered half of the world
jdimsa
>>1317636
Because the fucking Hwans had battle pyramids
>>1317649
Well that and inner strife after Ogedei died.
>>1317636
is this the 14th Hwangook Reich?
>>1317649
Also alcoholism
>>1317636
>so I told Temujin to conquer Asia
>and he actually did it! the absolute madman!
By the way, those borders (save for pushing European borders a little too far) are pretty good for what should be called "Asia". Arabs should be left among North Africans, and the Indian "sub-continent" should be considered its own continent (along with Indo-China) just like Europe is.
Da Jooz
No one had ever dealt with shit on the mongols' level before
>>1318957
>continent is anything more than a geographical concept
>Iranians have anything in common with the Chinese
>>1317646
Kill yourself
>>1317636
It was a natural disaster. There's no other instances nearly of the same magnitude of unsettled peoples unifying in such a small time and conquering so much. Had it not been for Genghis, none of it would've happened - there were no unique circumstances in Mongolia at the time that were conducive to unification.
what did the mongol empire actually contribute to the world
>>1317636
All of Eurasia.
East Asia
>China is a three way civil war cum foreign invasion by the Jurchens. Four if you include the Vietnamese- which the Song Dynasty saw as a breakaway minority- but they became budds during Vietnam's Tran Dynasty.
Middle East
>Abbasid Caliphate declines
>Crusades.
>Turkic Invasions all over the place.
>Islamic power in Egypt
Russia
>Kiev declines.
>Slavic princelings and republics vie for power. Novgorod in the lead.
>>1318978
reduction in the planet's carbon dioxide levels as the total destruction of so much farmland caused forests to take over
>>1317636
nobody fucked up, they were the best conquerors at the time, but if you had to name a name it would be the Sung for being diplomatic flip flopping dipshits
>>1318968
>continent is anything more than a geographical concept
Don't say that to me, say that to the idiots who decided Europe was its own continent.
>Iranians have anything in common with the Chinese
Iranians have a lot in common with the Central Asians, and the Central Asians stop being Central Asians inside of China. East Asia should be its own thing, but it is China who insists on keeping occupied territory.
>>1318978
they spread gunpowder and lots of other trade stuffs to the west and ensured we would not be speaking Arabic right now
>>1318978
The postal system
>>1319056
>ensured we would not be speaking Arabic right now
Yeah.
Eastern Europe spoke Turkish instead.
>>1317636
>Who fucked up to allow this to happen
The Russians and Chinese. They were so weakened by infighting (and in the case of the Rus, often refused to help their allies in order to get a leg up over them only to get BTFO later) that it was no wonder they fell quickly. Meanwhile, when the Mongols faced actually fortified, unified, and non-weakened enemies they lost. See: Poland, the Mamluks, etc. The Mongols pushed to their natural limit, Temujins death just ended things before they could continue to fail to push any further.
>>1318978
Religious freedom
>>1318982
this is flat out wrong
Tungusic tribes didn't live that far north at the time
>>1317636
The horse god
>>1318978
They were one of the many ultimate causes of the Great Divergence.
So if you live in the West you should love them, the East, not so much.
>>1319386
I had to look this up. I knew Chinese abandoned it's early Industrial endeavors, but I never knew it was because the Mongols forced them to relocate away from coal deposits.
If it weren't for Temujin and his friends, the Industrial Revolution might have happened 600 years earlier and we would probably be writing with Han zi right now, maybe some of us from the moon.
>>1319434
Industrialization was fueled by mercantalism and then capitalism so I wouldn't go that far.
>>1318978
Well that depends on if you consider pushing the middle east 2 thousand years back,destroying their equivalent of athens and all of their knowledge AND agricultural land a good or bad thing.
>>1319454
>the Mamluks and Moroccans and Ottomans didn't exist
cultural diffusion was the downfall of the Scythians/Tocharians
one group invented the wheel, chariot, steel, silk, composite bow, domesticated the horse...
the other group gets these inventions from the inventors, and then do away with the inventors.
today, the adopters thrive in the homeland of the vanished inventors.
cultural diffusion was the downfall of the Scythians. if they had the foresight like the Chinese, and kept their skills a trade-secret, much of the territory from Hungary to Manchuria, today, would have been Ossetian/Tocharian territory and the Mongolids would have remained reindeer herders somewhere in Yakutia.
>>1320337
>sharing your advanced horsemanship skills with foreigners
>teaching them equestrianism
>giving them the saddle, stirrup, composite bow, wheel and countless other inventions...
>not just KHAN'ing them
if you don't khan, you will get khan'd
>>1320337
t. Tocharian shitposter
>>1320348
t. bowlegged chong
>>1320362
>muh dick
Hi Tyrese, I didn't know they had computers in section 8.
>>1320362
Why don't you actually refute counterarguments instead of copy paste?
This is coming from a chronic shitposter who thinks the Qijia culture/Qin dynasty was Caucasoid.
>>1317636
A great steppe confederation is nothing new. It happened before.
Absolutely crushing both Persia and China and also Russia now that's something new, but you have to understand that these three lands were not in the best situation.
For starters the Kievan Rus was basically a failed state by that time. The Khwarezmshah who ruled persia and most of Central Asia had been severely weakened by a recent expedition against the Abbassid Caliph that failed due to logistic retardation when crossing the Zagros. As for China, it was divided, and when Yuan conquered Song it was basically a chinese dynasty being conquered by another chinese dynasty with powerful friends.
Of course, even with this relatively "favorable" situation, a single normal steppe confederation would have not acomplished so much. Genghis Khan was good not only conquering but also delegating and he was also the most similar thing an steppe horde ever had to an statesman who granted his Horde institutions and an ideology that made it a serious threat.
>>1320379
>replying to a mongol botnet
>>1319381
Who lived there then?
>>1317646
Kill yourself.
>>1317636
This is probably the best example of where one side has gone "soft" and puts more focus on culture, science and social things, and the other side just comes at them with total war.
It really is the ultimate "this is why we can't have nice things" in all of history.
>>1320582
Sure, but don't you think there's a case to be made that there was no plan ready to form coalitions or what have you once the time came if an ultimate threat came that could not be reasoned with?
It would be like if aliens attacked today, we wouldn't have a plan to face the threat.
>>1319003
Actually they mostly accelerated desertification.
>>1317636
The will to power
>>1317646
>>1320477
t. Buttblasted fgts whose ancestors got BTFO by Genghis
>>1320337
>if if if
If Europeans were really smart then they would have had enslaved the jews, just like every civilization before then, but they didn't and so they will be soon a minority in their own countries controlled by some ((((Bergs)))).
>>1320895
>If Europeans were really smart then they would have had enslaved the romans
ftfy
Ashkenazis are Roman converts
>>1320582
Yeah but he is Right that the Song and Abbasid didn't really care much about Military and focused on other things
>>1320607
Not him but I'm 100% sure that, if aliens wanted to invade, they would ally and use NATO to do it. Or maybe they would help the enemis of NATO to allow them to destroy it and let them fight at the spoils.
The only moral of the story, if there's one, is that local disputes more often than not are not settled with the appearence of an external threat. On the contrary, the potential common foe easily takes advantage of the situation, as demostrated not only by the mongol conquests but other events like the conquest of the americas or the conquest of India.
>>1321097
The Abbasids were never a real enemy for the mongols, it was a small state easy to stomp. The real potential threat for the mongols in central asia and the middle east (before the Mamluks) were the Khwarezmians a militaristic and agressive turkic dynasty.
>>1320895
think of it like this. aliens have super-tech that could destroy anything at anytime. humans are in awe of this tech and yearn for it. humans pray and beg for trade with aliens to get possession of alien super-tech.
would aliens be that retarded to level the playing field and diffuse their technology to a lesser being and potenional enemy?
now extrapolate to modern times, humans now diffused tech throughout the planet. everyone has weapons and medicine and shit. overpopulation and wars...
increased conflicts and competition.
all coming from western tech.
the west leveled the playing field. even india is getting into the space race thanks to western tech diffusion. now the west is experiencing replacement by the former 3rd world.
technological diffusion is the worst enemy of the west
we are repeating the same mistakes of ancient times resulted in the genocide of IE in Asia
The 3rd world population growth is booming out of control because of western tech science us pumping futuristic medicines/technologies to primitive societies.
>>1321097
The Abbasid declined in the 900s
As for the Song, they've been knocked out of military complacency with the Jurchen Invasion. It subsequently spent the 1100's locked in a WWI style stalemate with the fuckers, nearly achieving victory under General Yue Fei and the Four Generals period of the Song Dynasty.
It's worth noting that the conquest of Song China was pretty much the hardest the Mongs ever did.
>>1321128
and lets return to the concept of trade-secrets and technological superiority practiced by the Chinese. they were not as gullible as IE.
chinese knew the worth of secrets and technological superiority and kept a policy of guarding their superiority.
meanwhile, the IE were diffusing their achievements and spreading it all over
and the paleo-siberian mongols would remain reindeer herders if only the IE had a competitive and tech-protective strategy
>>1320582
civilizations are soft and docile by their nature
barbarians are rough and violent
Indo-Europeans (Tocharians, Bactrians, Parthians, Sogdians, Medes, Armenians, etc..) were indeed civilized and had ancient cities all over Central Asia, which were easy targets for wild nomadic mongoloid barbarians, especially attacking during the night
tl;dr they lived the comfy life and became weak
>>1320383
>Genghis Khan was good not only conquering but also delegating and he was also the most similar thing an steppe horde ever had to an statesman who granted his Horde institutions and an ideology that made it a serious threat.
So what you're saying is he was an idea man/
>>1318978
The Black Plague
>>1317636
>>1321195
>civilizations are soft and docile by their nature
>>1320362
that's a autistic image you make it?
>>1320565
lol
>>1322877
He killed them because he believed them to be spies, which they probably were because we know well that Genghis Khan used merchants as spies to gather information. The khan was probably just looking for an opportunity and testing the ground from the start. Remember the Khwarazm Shahs collaborated with Kuchlug in the past.
Most of that is tribute rather than alexander the great tier conquest and control
>>1322914
civilizations always get barbarianed
>>1317636
Not the Mongolians :^)
>>1321195
Robert E. Howard pls go.
>>1322957
It's more effective than outright annexation.
The mongol empire was larger and lasted longer than Alexander's empire.
>>1325112
Empires require administration, that would be like making a map of US military bases and historians teaching it as the american empire
>>1327006
>implying it's not empire
When you have a gun in the room, and someone else does not, you're the one in control.
>>1318973
>>1320477
>>1327165
so if my body guard has a gun and I don't he's the one in charge?
>>1321195
>nomads attacking during the night
Nomads lacked Vitamin A in their diet and were essentially blind at night.
>>1327378
you're at his mercy
>>1318297
>Confusing the original Hwans with the Neo-Neo-Hwan aftershocks
>>1317636
I don't know. But I fucking know WHO STOPPED THEM
>>1317636
Every Song dynasty eunuch and emperor who thought "who the fuck needs generals off with their heads"
>>1327553
ayy lmao, all lithuania did was walk into destroyed ruthenian lands who weren't even defending
>>1327393
>blind, yellow, pin-hole eyed, bucktoothed, bow-legged, midgets
they lacked everything that is normal to humans including vitamins
still didnt stop them from their famous genocide sprees at night or day
>>1318281
You won't ever stand in rank with your brothers at a Mongolian military celebration while monks throat-sing and play mandolins to your victories
Why was I even born?
>>1327560
>1410
ten ne žalgirio, o Mėlynųjų vandenų mūšis dalbajobe
>>1319452
For all we know, the Chinese may have seen industrialism as being so advantageous to the economy that they would have allowed more liberal markets
>>1317636
Oh
Herro mongorian
A disgraced Japanese samurai moves to Mongolia after being exiled from Japan. Invents the identy of Genghis Khan. Conquers biggest empire ever. Just to show those fuckers back home.
>>1319489
They never even came close to the rate of cultural/intellectual progression that the Abbasids did. Their empires were martial, turkic ones that practiced relatively strict Sunni schools of Islam rather than the liberal, logic-based Mutazili school.
>>1321140
Abbasid power declined but culturally and intellectually they were still advancing. Baghdad was still essentially the center of Islamic thought in the Arab world and it was probably much more liberal/intellectually geared than it is today. Some of the caliphs even tried to stamp out the Hanbalis/Salafists for good but never quite finished before the Mongols got to them.
>>1327553
they returned to mongolia as soon as they learn that genghis was dead
