Which one is more realistic to happen?
Foundation desu
>>1311835
Farenheit and BNW will lead eventually to 1984 imo
>>1311835
The Giver
Hunger games
Fallout 4
Farhenheit 451 had a part where the chef of the firemen explained the reasons behind the general ban of books exactly like SJWs would sound, so I suppose that one is likelier anything something happens to that movement that stops their rise to power.
The reasons books was in Farenheit 451 wasn't that the government felt threatened by them, but that people felt offended that some ended out smarter them them because of those books and that different books could have opposing views on things which made it hard to find any objective truth from it.
So people chose to get rid of it all and just focus on easy to consume magazines, television and quiz shows with pointless questions like "how much corn was produced in Texas last year?" to keep themselves distracted.
>>1311835
None. It will be the NWO which is quite different from all these
>>1311883
A Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich then?
>>1311838
This
>>1311871
No one legislates around SJWs though so your point is moot.
>>1311835
Brave New World. Almost inevitably.
Seems like the only way modernity can actually go in it's current manifestation.
>>1311898
>he's never been to Canada
>>1311898
Not him but
>society doesn't effect legislation
>>1311898
What if they start doing it some day?
>>1311835
Brave New World has already happened.
>>1311936
>What if they start doing it some day?
what if?
They are trying their best to. It's a matter of time. Little time.
>>1311892
From my view it's more like the whole world living in africa tier conditions and some will get the luck of being slaves to the elites and thus maybe get some decent food and housing.
>>1311936
Well, the percentage of people with no college degree is going down, and nobody gives a shit about poor people.
>>1311936
That still looks like a minority.
>>1311947
Not so rigid a class system yet. Class mixing is still freely allowed and eugenics is still pretty frowned upon by hedonists.
We're a little more than halfway there, though.
>>1312121
Unless we assume the difference is simply because of age and they will mature later on, it's a growing one.
>>1311898
Democratic Party, Labor party, Merkel...The establishment is pretty fucking SJW.
>>1312142
I'm pretty sure they'll grow up. It's a very temporary fad.
>>1312160
There's of course a risk they don't.
Though whatever forces that are pushing for stuff similar to that, like blm, seem to mostly ruin everything for themselves rather than winning support from the rest of society.
>>1311835
We're more like Snow Crash than anything else
>>1311835
we´re almost there
>>1311871
Literally modern society
>>1311835
All of them combined.
>>1312212
For some reason I am gonna post some of what the man said to the protagonist of the book.
>>"Coloured people don't like Little Black Sambo. Burn it. White people don't feel good about Uncle Tom's Cabin. Burn it. Someone's written a book on tobacco and cancer of the lungs? The cigarette people are weeping? Bum the book. Serenity, Montag. Peace, Montag. Take your fight outside. Better yet, into the incinerator. Funerals are unhappy and pagan? Eliminate them, too. Five minutes after a person is dead he's on his way to the Big Flue, the Incinerators serviced by helicopters all over the country. Ten minutes after death a man's a speck of black dust. Let's not quibble over individuals with memoriams. Forget them. Burn them all, burn everything. Fire is bright and fire is clean."
>>1312262
>"Luckily, queer ones like her don't happen, often. We know how to nip most of them
in the bud, early. You can't build a house without nails and wood. If you don't want a
house built, hide the nails and wood. If you don't want a man unhappy politically,
don't give him two sides to a question to worry him; give him one. Better yet, give him
none. Let him forget there is such a thing as war. If the Government is inefficient,
top?heavy, and tax?mad, better it be all those than that people worry over it. Peace,
Montag. Give the people contests they win by remembering the words to more
popular songs or the names of state capitals or how much corn Iowa grew last year.
Cram them full of non?combustible data, chock them so damned full of 'facts' they
feel stuffed, but absolutely `brilliant' with information. Then they'll feel they're thinking,
they'll get a sense of motion without moving. And they'll be happy, because facts of
that sort don't change. Don't give them any slippery stuff like philosophy or sociology
to tie things up with. That way lies melancholy. Any man who can take a TV wall
apart and put it back together again, and most men can nowadays, is happier than
any man who tries to slide?rule, measure, and equate the universe, which just won't
be measured or equated without making man feel bestial and lonely. I know, I've tried
it; to hell with it. So bring on your clubs and parties, your acrobats and magicians,
your dare-devils, jet cars, motor?cycle helicopters, your sex and heroin, more of
everything to do with automatic reflex. If the drama is bad, if the film says nothing, if
the play is hollow, sting me with the theremin, loudly. I'll think I'm responding to the
play, when it's only a tactile reaction to vibration. But I don't care. I just like solid
entertainment."
>>1311871
>people felt offended
Different people get offended by different things and what offends you makes me happy and the fact you want to take it away from me offends me so I will fight you
Why do dystopia authors never understand this it's basic human nature
In Brave New World, relationships were unheard of. They would result into nuclear families which formed a threat to the power of the state. Nowadays you can see the same with the media pushing hook up culture. People are having more partners but less long lasting stable ones.
>>1312160
Boomers didn't grow up.
>>1312333
I think many of them thought of it as some sort of experience of world war 1 and later 2, that according to them showed that millions of men can without much problems be lead as sheep to ends that do not favor them.
If you can lead a man to die for something that do not trouble him the least in his every day life, why not lead him to his own tyranny?
>>1312372
>If you can lead a man to die for something that do not trouble him the least in his every day life, why not lead him to his own tyranny?
Because by taking away from people the things they love you ARE troubling them, just look at the feminist intra-wars about sexuality where some women wanted all porn banned other women loved porn and wanted to keep it so they media-killed each other in the process and porn is still here
>>1312395
You can say the feminists that loved porn and wanted to keep it won. They didn't want the horrible disgusting evil sex-hating feminists to win. As someone who likes porn too, that is good.
Dystopia authors never take into account people's good healthy selfishness. Look how much SJWS bitched against 50 shades of grey for being OMG OFFENSIVE and look how much women didn't care.
>>1312395
According to my unprofessional opinion History have quite often shown us that humans may be pushed to set their own interests aside or force others to do the same for the sake of someone or something else. You just got to give them the right rewards, or right punishments. No reason to go out of line if the most likely ending is that you end up far worse from it. “You only have power over someone as long as you don’t remove everything from him” as some bearded Russian puts it.
And all the books do have people that try to go against the system, just that due to various functions of them they are few in number. And the writers were of coursed affected by the times they lived in, Orwell would see one world war ravage the earth with the rise of new ways of monitoring people and the guy who wrote Fahrenheit 451 would see the rise of television and radio. People are often a at least a bit worried about change and fear the worst.
Also, just because they fail at one thing don't mean they can't successfully push for others. Unless I am completely wrong feminists have been quite efficient in creating an idea of a vibrant rape culture and make the law system a bit biased in favor for women which none seems to care about.
>>1312457
>that face
Fahrenheit 451. Been a while since I read it but wasn't the idea behind it that freedom is suppressed because of the people and not the state? Its already common for people to police other's language for being too offensive.
>>1312457
>Look how much SJWS bitched against 50 shades of grey for being OMG OFFENSIVE and look how much women didn't care.
I didn't know a single person who bitched about 50 shades of grey being offensive, except maybe how offensively badly written "lowest common denominator" grade bullshit it was. Dopey low-information housewifes need dopey low-information entertainment so that they can go back to talking about how much they loved Hillary Clinton's hair.
>>1312457
No there is no sex positive feminist. They are only that when it is towards their advantage. Hint when thyre young and can use their body for power. When they hit the wall they about face, the old and ugly are rarely sex positive, see retired pornstars.
>>1311835
BNW and 1984 are already in modern society in some aspects.
ISIS has book burning down.
>>1311838
Yep
>>1312257
Sorry but I have to do it
WUZ
>>1313823
Modern Society is way more Farenheit 451. They don't burn books in 451 because they contain forbidden information, but because they make information permanent.
ISIS, for all their faults, believes in an absolute permanent truth that needs to be handed down through the ages: The Koran. The Koran is probably false, and ISIS wants to destroy everything that contradicts it. But ISIS does this in an effort to maintain the steady transmission of accepted information.
Farenheit 451, they want to stop that. Whether information is true or false doesn't matter. Information is ephemeral. Is there one god but god and Mohammad is his prophet? Are we at war? Did the president get assassinate last week? None of that matters, because the only source of information is what's on your screen NOW. The truth isn't even censored or hid, only the possibility of permanent truth is suppressed.
Scratch that, 4chan is Fahrenheit 451.
>>1311835
The worst parts of all 3.
>>1313860
>4chan is Fahrenheit 451.
Pretty much. But we don't get the happiness that comes with it.
>>1313872
No one was happy in Fahrenheit 451. They didn't even get drugs like Brave New World. They just got trapped in the loop that NEXT TIME what was on the screen would make them happy.
>>1311835
obligatory
>>1312160
Unless internet echo chambers result in endless stagnation.
>>1313881
Ahh so like everytime I'm about to open a decent thread but see bait or a shitpost in the first response?
>>1313897
So like 4chan.....
BNW is basically already happening.
>>1313905
Yes. And then you feel shitty, but there's a new thread up!
And all noisome things that mattered so much so long ago, that got burned up on page 10, and no one remembers who won or who lost.
>>1312333
Because basic human nature also includes shitty compromises.
A possible shitty compromise is you get to burn my book, and if that offends me, I get to burn your book. Like all social compromises, it offers an opening for someone seeking power: the person who proposes he will burn both books as a neutral party, in the interest of peace.
>>1313919
>4chan
>an echo chamber
Okay kid, go on a board other than /pol/ for once would you?
>>1313959
I said 4chan. Not every board.
Then again, even /his/ can be an echo chamber.
>>1313950
That's what happened with porn.
It's is very constrained.
>>1313881
Literally 4chan then.
>>1313860
>Modern Society is way more Farenheit 451.
Nonsense. Our society is obsessed with itself and it's tropes, endlessly recycling every idea the more creative generations preceding us had until everything loses any meaning it may once have had. This is BNW to a tee.
>>1313890
How true is it?
>>1313969
You don't understand what an echochamber is. Plebbit is an echochamber because of its upboat and downboat system, which censors controversial ideas and promotes groupthink. 4chan is a place where any idiot can hammer out a more-or-less coherent post and be sure that it is treated exactly like any other post, the combination of anonymity and hands-off moderation prevents an echochamber mentality forming, except in a handful of cases where mods conspire to push an agenda (which never lasts and always ends with the mod being b&)
>>1312624
Personally I just like porn very much and I am ready to hurt people if they try to take it away from me. Just saiyan'.
>No reason to go out of line if the most likely ending is that you end up far worse from it
Nothing is worse than a shitty unfulfilled life, might as well be dead.
>>1313993
I agree with you that places like reddit allow a more uniform thought by having ways to enforce it, but I also think that 4chan, especially some boards, allow some things to resonate. The biggest difference, hence why you'll almost always see people disagreeing and cursing each other, is that 4chan's only characteristic that tries to make things uniform is stuff like "board culture".
I think todays is a different combination of all three, except we have self imposed suppression from how social media puts people in isolated bubbles.
I notice this especially with children today, they are always plugged into their smart phones or whatever. I never see kids play outside anymore. We are raising a generation of bubble children.
>>1318610
Literal old man syndrome, get with the times gramps
>>1318692
Social media can be used to make people with certain views feel isolated though. Look at what Correct the Record did to Sanders supporters. They supported the media narrative of Clinton winning despite proven election fraud and suppressed Sanders voters by making them feel helpless. They literally helped her steal the election
>>1318714
>Sanders would have won, my feels say so
Trick question, answer is all of them at the same time.
Almost there...
>>1312128
By that metric, we were already half-way there when Huxley wrote the thing. Also, it's not really eugenics since the majority of people they decant are imbeciles. Reproduction is just controlled by the state.
>>1311835
UK is already practically 1984, they even allude to this themselves in Government advertising.
