Where does "Western Europe" end and "Eastern Europe" begin? Are these terms even relevant anymore or should we just look at Europe as a cohesive whole?
R1a / R1b split
>>1309956
Poland.
>>1309956
Nations in th EEC were western.
Nations in the Warsaw Pact were Eastern.
basically Germany
>>1309956
South of Sava, East of Oder, exactly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bwDrHqNZ9lo
>>1309956
It is from the Cold War so EEurope are ex-socialist countries and WEurope are countries who were capitalist back then. It is still relevant today because EE countries are significantly poorer than the WE countries. They also tend to be more conservative.
Historically it was more complex. "Oriental" began in the Balkans, Prussia and Austria had a very Eastern style of doing things but considered themselves Central European, Scandis were North Europe, English barely considered themselves part of the continent.
>>1310238
but sava is east of oder
>>1309958
this
basically Eastern Europe means Slavic people
>>1309958
That's fucking dumb, be ashamed of your post.
>>1310497
Triggered?
>>1310492
And Hungarians
And Romanians
And Baltics
And Albanians
And Greeks
And Georgians
And Armenians
>>1310614
>And Hungarians
Slavs in denial.
>And Romanians
Slavs in denial.
>And Baltics
Slavs in denial.
>And Albanians
Slavs in denial.
>And Greeks
Got OP there.
>And Georgians
A very tiny part of Georgia is in Europe. Most of them are Asian.
>And Armenians
100% of Armenia is in Asia.
>>1310621
>and you
Retarded
>>1310623
t. Slav in denial
>>1310624
Why do I even bother with this board...?
>>1310614
>Hungarians
Genetically the same as Slavs
>Romanians
See above. Plus, Romanian has many Slavic loan words and elements.
>Baltics
They're Northern Europeans
>Albanians
They're Southern Europeans
>Greeks
See above
>Georgians
They're located in the Caucsus, not EE
>Armenians
See above.
>>1310642
>good translate translated "grand duchy" to "great britain"
Google what the fuck
>>1310614
as I said, Slavic people and their offspring
Greece is Western Europe
I know it's just ">muh haplogroups" but genetics don't lie.
>>1310654
>linguistically, genetically, and culturally extremely close to Slavs
>"W-WE'RE NOTHING LIKE SLAVS!"
>>1309958
/thread
Austria west
Hungary east
>>1310578
No you are just dumb, stop posting about haplomemes
In Czech republic.
>>1309956
Western europe begins at the pink line
>>1310651
>>1310492
I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as slavs, are in fact, ruthenians/eastern germanic descendants of kievan rus, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, east nordids.
Slavs are not a race unto itself, but rather another component of the ethnogenesis of the scandinavian norse germanic people from the migration of the peoples and onward, made historically relevant by the kievan rus settlements in Gardariki by the norsemen who traveled down the Volga and founded both Russia and Ukraine before being christianized by the byzantine empire.
Many eastern germanics speak the artifical glagolithic church language invented by the greek monk Cyrill, which is where the term cyrillics stems from. Before that, they spoke old norse and revered pagan germanic gods.
All the so-called "slavs" are really descendants of eastern germanics. There is objectively no argument to be made against this historical fact.
Thanks for reading, and please refer to them as "eastern germanics" next time you make a "slav" post.
Do you see "slav" in here? No? That's because it doesn't exist in a racial/phenotypical sense. Period
>>1310773
Are you saying that before vikings came, there was no culture to speak of? Because Slavic migration began long before there was any chance of Germanic cultural influence.
There was Viking influence in Russia, but it wasn't as big as many people belive.
Differences between slavic groups can be explained by cultural influence of local powers such as Germany in Poland and Czechia. But you can find similarities in every slavic nation(language, religious traditions,..).
So there is no reason to call slavs "east germanics" when there are slavic nations with no german cultural influence.
>>1310773
holy shit lol. new pasta?
>>1310856
Hajnal line is simply useless and outdated, the demographic divide it describes doesn't exists for decades now.
In the old sense the West ended where Catholicism ended, but development in the late middle and early modern ages necessited the concept of Central Europe that stood until 1945.
Then the political divide erased Central Europe and pushed the East several hundred kilometres to west.
Nowadays we are in a transitional stage where Central Europe is re-emerging as concept
Majnal line
>>1310881
Well it's a historical concept, of course it's outdated but so are the borders of the Roman empire.
>>1310810
>Czech Republic
>Western
>>1311011
Czech Rep. is a lot more like Germany than it is like Russia
>>1309956
It depends mainly on where you are in Europe. If you go east, East Europe goes east too and you have to reach Belarus to enter it. If you go West enough eastern Europe will start in Czechia or even Slovenia. Central Europe will be more likely to exist the further east you go.
>>1310810
You can't be slav and western. Not all eastern europeans are slav, but all slavs are eastern europeans.
>>1311015
And Russia is borderline asiatic. It means nothing.
>>1309956
There is no clear cut borders, and there are sub regions. I suggest reading Oscar Halecki "The Limits and Divisions of European History" (1962)
>>1309956
It's more commonly accept that there is a Central Europe that is distinguishable from both the West and East.
Germany, the Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, all can classify as central Europe as they have characteristics unlike the Western nations like France and Britain, or Eastern characteristics like Ukraine, Serbia, or Russia.
>>1311105
>Germany, the Czech Republic, Poland, Slovakia, all can classify as central Europe
Indeed, though I've seen different formulation, Germany as central Europe, and everything east of it either until Russia, or Belarus and Ukraine as East Central Europe. Halecki liked this, I suppose, because Poland, Baltic states, don't really fit in to east - central regional definitions, especially Estonia, that could fit into 3 regions.
Germany/Austria. The division isn't neat and tidy because Northern Europe is usually included with the west so you have a bend of the baltic down the border of Germany (previously Western Germany border) to the adriatic.
Before the Cold war?
"Asia begins at the landstrasse" (Highway leading eastward from Vienna)
and of course "africa begins at the pyrenees".
>>1310810
There is literally NO reason for Czech Republic and Poland to be in different groups. Either Western (when you think of religion and culture) or Eastern (when you think politics).
>>1310651
>Balts are closer to Slavs than any other group.
>Their languages are also incredibly similar
Go home putin you're drunk.
>>1310657
How can you shitpost on 4chan. Since when does russia have electricity?
>>1311221
>>1310651
15yo basement commie spotted. Back to /pol/.
>>1310867
>new
Also, daily reminder that I myself am culturally, genetically and economically closer to Vasiliy, who lives 5000 km away than Klaus, who lives 5min of walking down the road.
It's just the way the American culturo-political hegemony and their utter ignorance crumbles.
>>1310614
>And Romanians
Romans, it's in the fucking name guys.
>>1311192
>africa begins at the pyrenees
Lamest sayin in the world since it was said by a literal nigger. Or maybe he meant France was african to not be bullied.
>>1311105
>It's more commonly accept that there is a Central Europe that is distinguishable from both the West and East.
By who? "Central" europeans?
>>1310773
>germanic descendants of kievan rus
Rurik and his descendants are genetically Finnish m89
>>1311212
Czechs have been under the German boot ever since forever, they earned the western title.
>>1310773
most of the modern day russians are actually genetically finns
>>1311406
Not most of them. Northwest Russians are, though.
>>1311409
does that mean 54% of austrians are finnish?
>>1311439
Of course not.
>>1311439
It's kind of obvious that NW Russians are Finnic, look at Russia's East Slavic brethren and you'll realize why.
>>1311448
t. phd in epigenetics
