Browsing /pol/ and /his/ i see alot of speculators with biased answers to why the Holocaust didn't happen
if you seriously believe it didn't happen, present a valid point to why it was a lie.
tb h i have no idea if it did happen or not
(not that i particularly care one way or the other)
There were no gas chambers
>>1303350
Source?
Please stop making this thread everyday.
>>1303401
>present a valid point
>>1303414
>israel exists, surrounded by enemies
>nazis destroyed, surrounded by enemies
"The cowards blood is their DNA."
>>1303363
https://youtu.be/2LO_xSQOCzw
Meanwhile there is also the fact that the allies were spying on the Nazi without them knowing, yet there was still not a single message involving any "Genocide" at their camps.
Oh yeah, and the Red Cross said there was no holocaust...
https://cigpapers.files.wordpress.com/2013/10/scan.jpg?w=192&h=300
And that the prisoners had their clothes decontaminated regularly, their heads shaven to protect them from Typhus, a library, theater, pool, currency, church, state of the art cooking facilities, instruments for up to 16 camp orchestras, a fucking office where they could make complaints, a sauna, university, brothel, and fucking marriages.
Or maybe that the proven fake photographies of the people in the camps.
Or maybe because Churchill never mentioned the holocaust and even admitted that he thinks they may have defeated the wrong enemy.
Or maybe that there is over 100 recorded cases of a supposedly 6,000,000 jews being oppressed or slaughtered. (Trust me, there isn't enough jews for that to happen)
Or maybe that it was the perfect scapegoat to claim that these buildings with no gas chambers and shit level crematoriums were committing genocide. It sure would get them out of trouble after having mass raped and carpet bombed the innocent people of germany.
Or maybe we don't want to listen to supposed numbers based on invisible bodies that supposedly exist, hidden underground.
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As for your case, you'll just say "But there is pictures of them suffering!" To that I reply "Blame yourselves." The reason that mass illness fell over the camps is because of bombers and raids fucking up supplies, leaving Hitler the option of either feeding his private welfare camps, or his fucking army. Even at that I wouldn't estimate the deaths over a couple hundred thousand.
>>1303414
Half the world's Jews were killed off.
They certainly did resist. Warsaw ghetto, etc.
Many, many did flee as well.
You're an idiot.
>>1303337
dumping
>>1303437
Eat shit stormfag, everything you posted and more was debunked in the great /his/ holocaust thread: https://desustorage.org/his/thread/509405/#509405
Honestly, the mods really need to add that link to the sticky, it's the greatest thread we've ever had on the subject and a prime example of the kind of discourse this board is meant to promote.
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>>1303452
Krege was invited to Tehran to give lectures on his findings. That's a pretty big deal, Persians are a very sophisticated people and that conference was high class. He found what he found, your ad hominems don't change that.
>>1303450
>Zyklon vent locations
>>1303446
>Eichmann trial accounts
Lord have mercy
>>1303337
I would, but I don't want to get banned again. If the cock-sucking mods here are such fags that they'll ban somebody over responding to challenges such as yours, then obviously nobody wants to hear the truth.
>>1303547
>Krege was invited to Tehran to give lectures on his findings
No shit, really? Are you telling me the most avid Holocaust deniers in the world, who for political as well as religious reasons want Israel to be considered illegitimate and wiped from the map, invited this guy to speak at their universities? His "findings" must be right! He just can't provide any of it in the west because le joos run le media!!!! XDDDD
>>1303446
The first thing I read and it's already out of context.
http://www.ibiblio.org/pha/policy/1942/420130a.html
No adolph did not fucking say he was going to annihilate the jews, this is the actual text.
They have already spoken of the breaking up of the German Reich by next September, and with the help of this advance prophesy, and we say that the war will not end as the Jews imagine it will, namely, with the uprooting of the Aryans, but the result of this war will be the complete annihilation of the Jews. Now for the first time they will not bleed other people to death, but for the first time the old Jewish law of 'An eye for an eve, a tooth for a tooth,' will be applied. And the further this war spreads, the farther will spread this fight against the world of the ... and they will be used as food for every prison camp, and ... in every family, which will have it explained to it why ..., and the hour will come when the enemy of all times, or at least of the last thousand years, will have played his part to the end.
And onto the Himmler Report! Yet another thing out of context! You were so gracious as to translate the words "Jews Executed" but no the underlined word categorizing it, BANDIT ACCOMPLISES AND SUSPECTS
Josephs diary is out of context for the reasons above. The "Catastrophe" is that they aren't getting food due to ally bombings. Hitlers determination isn't to clean them up via mass genocide, it is to get them the fuck out. That's kind why he bought the entirety of Madagascar.
It seems like this whole holocaust deal is a glass house. Yet again, the reason that he states the evacuation has become an extermination is because supplies are short and people are dieing.
As for the letter, it was an interrogation way after the war. Everyone knows those are biased.
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>>1303467
...and as for you, faggot, don't think I forgot about you and your bullshit infographs that prove jack squat. Tell me, did you ever watch this while I was busy blowing you the fuck out?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dxsVSzL4HE
Of course you didn't. You were too busy reporting me like the spineless little queer you are.
>>1303592
>calls someone a "spineless little queer"
>posts that picture
Stormfags- you can't make this shit up.
> present a valid point to why it was a lie.
Burden of proof is on you, my fried. You made a positive claim and you must to back up it with a perfect evidence.
>>1303621
>criticizes someone's taste in shitposting images
>cries to the mods when someone calls them out on their bullshit
>posts Sartre
Commies- you can make this shit up, it's so predictable.
>>1303656
I'm not the guy who posted that image dump, nor am I the guy who reported you, nor am I a Communist
I'm lmaoing at your life
>>1303654
Don't waste your time. The first one was nothing but bullshit and I don't have the time to review them all.
it did happen but it was exagerrated by zionist lobbyist
>>1303337
The holocaust did happen. Around 5.1 million jews died during ww2.
So did 27 million russians. And nearly 30 million chinese. But who cares about these goy... people. The important fact is that 6 gorillion of GOD'S CHOSEN PEOPLE died.
>>1303679
It happened because America & the Soviet Union bombed the shit out of supplies and mass raped the women who stayed behind.
All he wanted was for them to leave.
>>1303698
Without going that far...
It's pretty obvious that the mass killing of jews only started in 1942, when the tide was turning.
Honestly, it was logical. You have limited food supplies. Who would you feed? Your troops? Or your concentration camp inmates?
This whole "Hitler wanted to kill all the jews since at least 1923" is a meme. The holocaust was just pragmatic logistics.
>>1303691
The significance of the holocaust is not just that lots of people died, it's the fact that it was a deliberate genocide by their own government.
>>1303698
Pretty sure it happened because the Nazis were deliberately mass-murdering people.
>>1303437
What about first hand accounts and autobiographies of holocaust survivors and Auschwitz guards?
>>1303714
>deliberate genocide by their own government.
That happened many many many many many many many many many many times in history.
I don't see why the jewish genocide should be held as worse than any other genocide.
>>1303714
Which is refutable
The most probable truth is that jews were interned in concentration camps by the Nazi regime, and them some hundreds thousands died of typhus and starvation because of the poor conditions Germany suffered at the en of the war
But jews wanted to create Israel so they used it as the perfect occasion to make themselves seem uncriticizable
>>1303739
It's considered worse because of the scale and brutal efficiency of the genocide
>>1303731
Which is of course why untermenschen in Nazi internment died at roughly 20 times the rate as other Europeans similarly interned, and you had places like Auschwitz built with enough cremation capacity to go through their entire inmate population in a week.
>>1303670
I don't give a fuck if you're the same guy, you /his/ fags are all the fucking same. Not even interested in history if Howard Zinn didn't dip his taint in red ink and stamp his seal of approval on the account.
What really grinds my gears is that 1. I got reported for simply responding to an infodump with facts, 2. there exist anons who would actually sink to that level of faggotry to avoid having an actual argument, and 3. the mods are big enough faggots to actually ban somebody for trying to have an argument about historical sources on a history board. I wasn't even trying to prove that the Holocaust didn't happen, just that it didn't happen the way we're taught to believe it did. But no, it doesn't matter, questioning the narrative makes me a stormfag, and stormfags get banned.
I can already see you faggot janitors deleting people's posts, FUCK THE POLICE
>>1303733
It is public knowledge that the Nazis were heavily threatened to submit and tell them what they want to hear.
As for the survivor accounts, those are a load of bullshit. 1/3 of the people say it didn't happen, 1/3 says it did but their facts come out false, and 1/3 said it didn't but just barely kept their mouth shut enough for the truth to slip out.
>>1303743
>The holocaust didn't happen.
>But Jews are dirty manipulative liars who faked it all to create Israel.
Interesting how the "most probable truth" is always the one that lines up with stormfag narratives.
>>1303739
Not in the modern era it hasn't. There was a sense that civilization had progressed far beyond such things, but it turned out modernism just meant that modern impersonal bureaucracy and factory efficiency were simply turned towards ends as horrific as ever. It's shocking.
>>1303744
>scale
What, 75% of european jews? There's worse.
>efficiency
Gotta hand it to the germans, they're efficient
The real reason why it's considered worse than, say, the armenian genocide, is that armenians don't control the NYT and Hollywood.
I'd like to point out that I'm not a holocaust denier nor an antisemite. I'm just recognizing the fact that the reason why the public counsciousness considers the jewish genocide to be worse than others is due to the fact that jews are in a position to influence, through the media and popular culture, the zeitgeist.
>>1303764
Tell that to the various minorities who perished in Stalin's russia.
>>1303753
I'm the one who posted
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>>1303754
And I don't have any warning. I think you're being singled out, brother.
Oh yeah, and check out this.
https://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/jewish_population_1933.png
https://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/jewish_population_1938.png
https://socioecohistory.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/jewish_population_1948.png
You've probably seen this before, but come on.
>>1303776
What is your point, even?
>>1303784
That
>Not in the modern era it hasn't
is false
Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to detract from the horror which was the holocaust. I'm just trying to convey my feeling (which I think is shared by many goyim) that no, the holocaust doesn't have the monopoly in terms of human suffering.
In essence, get over it.
>>1303790
>In essence, get over it.
Check your privilege.
What's the usual response to the fact Wannsee mentions like 11 million European Jews and no post-war census accounts for over 4 million? Genuinely curious here (also I've been in these threads before and gotten way into the damn argument with stormfriends and those stickies aren't bad, would have saved me lots of work
>>1303753
lmao
>>1303554
Well I wouldn't say nobody wants to hear the truth. In fact, most people do, you just aren't one of them.
>>1303783
http://holocaust.umd.umich.edu/news/uploads/WanseeProtocols.pdf
Did the Germans hoax themselves? (if you're too lazy to read it scroll down to page 5)
>>1303437
/thread
>>1303543
Cool "testimonies."
Good fucking god.
I'm actually wishing for Constatine to start shitposting here.
GREAT JOB /POL/. FUCK YOU GUYS. YOU MADE ME WANT A SHITPOSTING NAMEFAG TO SHIT UP THE THREAD SO THAT IT ISN'T PURE CANCER.
THE. HOLOCAUST. FUCKING. HAPPENED. THERE. IS. NO QUESTION. ABOUT. IT. KEEP. YOUR. BRAND. OF. CANCER. IN. /POL/.
YOU WANT TO ARGUE NUMBERS? FINE. YOU WANT TO ARGUE GAS CAHMBERS? FINE. YOU WANT TO ARGUE ABOUT THE LACK OF RIGOROUS RESEARCH OF THE HISTORICITY OF CERTAIN DETAILS? FINE.
BUT THE HOLOCAUST? FUCKING HAPPENED. THE 6 GORRILION? COULD BE EXAGGERATED, BUT AT LEAST 3 MILLION JEWS FUCKING DIED, ALONG WITH MILLIONS OF OTHER UNDESIRABLES. THERE WAS A DELIBERATE FUCKING PLAN TO REMOVE THE JEWS AND SLAVS AND SHIT, AND IF YOU FUCKING DENY THAT, GO KILL YOURSELF, THEN BEG FOR WHATEVER VILE DEITY YOU BELIEVE IN TO RESSURECT YOUR WORTHLESS ASS SO YOU CAN KILL YOURSELF AGAIN.
DON'T TELL ME TO FUCKING CHILL OUT. YOU MADE ME WISH FOR A KNOWN SHITPOSTING NAMEFAG TO MAKE THIS CANCEROUS THREAD LESS CANCEROUS.
>>1303337
Not a lie, but i believe that te number of 6 million jews to be an exhaggeration. No such census exists in central europe to give us any number close to that. Genocide was the underlying plan after forced deportation but for a country at war to establish camps to hold 6 million people is ridiculous. History will show you that israel and zionist politicians did some scandelous shit to gain a homeland. The lavon affair and the entire suez crisis was directly caused by the state of israel. The nuremburg trials wrre about as based as they could possibly be, with torture implimented to get answers out of officials. Fascists were not known to be accurate or truthful record keepers, so any reports on casualties could easily have been scewed to gain more attention from germany.
Really, you can't trust any number for holocaust victim tolls
>>1304281
>lol they were all lying lmao
>even goebbels was just joking when he wrote that stuff in his diary
>what Wannsee conference
>all the photos are fake ayy lmao
Classic stormfag. If the evidence doesn't agree with you, it's because it's all fake. A claim for which you have no evidence beyond slander.
