What is the historical basis for theories about Jews being evil masterminds controlling the world?
It seems like a far-fetched idea to me
>>1291234
They've always been seen as a threat. Most county's that they've resided in have at one point in history kicked them out. The meme probably got popular during the middle ages though, when Jews mostly controlled the financial sectors many European countries. Also, Protocols of The Elders of Zion.
>>1291234
Is that Lou Reed friendo? Odd you should post him, I'm actually listening to his eponymously named solo album right now. Not sure why it got mixed reviews, it's my favorite of his work.
But I believe that it has something to do with the fact that Jewry in Europe weren't barred from practicing banking for the purposes of profit. Whereas Christians were, (not sure about Islam though.) This caused Christian Europeans to be suspicious of Jews, which was exacerbated by Jews becoming quite wealthy due to these practices, despite their small population relative to non-Jews on the continent.
>>1291234
20th Century memes and pseudo-history.
When ancient sjws destroyed rome by pushing special privileges for their gay jew religion while encouraging homosexuality and tyranny
The Talmud
Elders of Zion
>>1291257
This post is literal nonsense.
>>1291246
There are some nice early versions of those songs on the Velvets '69 live album
polite sage for off topic
>>1291234
The Catholic Church in Europe spent centuries spreading propaganda about how obeying the Church was God's will, and the Jews were a giant flaw in the PR. It exposed that all a people had to do to shake off the rule of the Church was...not follow the church.
So for years, the church imposed this idea that every problem was caused by the Jews. Even when the Church stopped, it was still embedded into European culture.
The Jewish religion also advocates for education, especially in medicine and accounting. So some Jewish families became wealthy, and white people gonna genocide.
>>1291234
Well there are several points i'd like to make about that.
First of all do the Jews have this hydrid status between religion and people.
Islam and Christianity can accept other races while Jews (at least nowadays) link Judaism to a race. (For example the Ashkenazim in Israel who wont accept Ethiopian Jews).
Second there is this political Judaism which was manifested as what we call Zionism in Theodor Herzls "Der Judenstaat" from 1864. It lays base for the jewish extremists wanting to rule the world and i recall something about "uniting the world under a world-judaism" as best form of government and birhtright of the jews. I dont have the book by hand so if somebody could confirm or protest that please..
There are several incidents inworld history that make the jews look like sneaky opportunists
-Rothschild lending money to opposing parties in war
-The Balfour treaty being signed just before England gets his ass fucked in WW1, shortly after the US join.
This could be seen as deal: the jews get Israel from the brits, therefore the jews in the US push the congress to enter war with Germany
-everything the Mossad does, like the Lavon affair for example
Then again we have the massive presence of Jews in academics and entertainment industry that is viewed as a treat as they manufacture the food for our minds, so to speak.
Bonus: Look up who signed the Balfour treaty as head of the world zionist council..
I am not saying they rule the world but they are very infuencial for a mere 1% of the population.
>>1291247
>20th Century memes
>>1291234
Because they're smug delusional cunts who love to act like they do. It's like a circus show between them and the paranoid conservatives.
Of course they have their extremists like every religion, which gives /pol type of people a lot of food for """"infographics"""".
The Jews that are commonly known today are not the real Jews of the Old Testament. Khazars infiltrated Judaism and hijacked it into Satanism.
>>1291642
Give praise to the one and only, true decendant of King Solomon and the queen of Sheeba: Emperor Haile Selassie, King of Kings. Ras Tafari, Jah bless.
>>1291234
Also Judaism is the Base for freemasonry which is basically a golf club where super rich and influencial people can scheme how to fuck the rest of us over.
>>1291623
This one is extra funny because someone felt its important to suspect people of being gay if they werent jews.
>>1291623
>tl;Dr Jews keep winning, my ass is still hurt.
>>1291654
It says goy, not gay..
>>1291234
One word: Rothschild
>>1291655
i can live with them winning, but i cant live with people depicting them as victims and morally superior.
>you'll never be a jew
Feels goy man.
>>1291671
>you'll never be kike
Feels cleanse man
>>1291671
Hey if you have the dedication you can become one.
Read the Protocols of the Elders of Zion and realize how everything it says it will come to pass, has come to pass.
Now tell me they are a "hoax".
>>1291687
It is a hoax
Jews have killed more jews than any other race out there.
So how did Jews become associated with being at the same time ruthless capitalists and communist subversives?
I think it probably comes from big banking families like the Rothschilds. It's definately post enlightenment, before then Jew were much more like the modern ultra-orthodox. They lived in very insulary communities and rabbis controlled it very tightly.
>>1291710
Marx was a Jew
Its gold like this that makes me like them for how they manipulate our youth.
>>1291776
What do i have to do to become jewish?
>>1291234
Because historically they've lived by themselves in their own enclaves (disregard it was illegal for them to live anywhere else), they only married each other (disregard that it was illegal for them to marry anyone else), they wore strange symbolic clothing (disregard that it was illegal for them to not wear it), they did most of their business deals amongst themselves (disregard it was illegal for them to do business with gentiles) and they all worked in similar, disreputable fields that still made a lot of money (disregard that it was illegal for them to work in any other trades or professions).
No wonder people thought of them as outsiders who don't blend in.
>>1291632
>he cites a fucking play as an example
>>1291820
Oh goy
It started with Jews tending to settle in cities and get involved with professions from which they were excluded by law and custom. Their tendency to stick together was also reinforced by external pressures.
Some examples: in Spain, Visigothic kings made laws which forbade Jews from engaging in agriculture (this sort of law was widespread throughout Europe -- yet centuries later Jews would be damned by Luther for not working the land).
Guilds were insular, secretive, and mistrustful of the eeeeevil Christkillers, as well. So this made it difficult for Jews to engage in ordinary trades, particularly until the Industrial Revolution.
So Jews naturally had little choice but to move into the cities, and move into niches into which they might prosper. For some, it meant money-lending, as the laws which forbade Christians from engaging in usury generally didn't apply to Jews.
Everyone from simple peasants to nobility would turn to Jewish lenders when they couldn't make ends meet. This led to resentment, compounded by the fact that Jews tended to stay separate.
Their separateness was partly because they all minorities tend to stick together, and partly because they were often forbidden, by law, to intermingle with Christians. (E.g., laws which forbade intermarriage, laws which even forbade Jews and Christian neighbors from eating at the same table.)
There are many examples of Christian kings and leaders inviting Jews to come and settle within their kingdoms. This always (as far as I know) meant that the Jews were invited to move to a specific (and limited) designated area. Again, outside forces making them stick together as a community.
So insular community, perceived as wealthy. It only makes sense for outsiders to see this as a cabal of sorts, pulling the strings.
The more "evil" stereotypes comes from widespread canards, which were taken as truth by superstitious peasants, rumors which were widespread throughout Europe.
>>1291853
Examples of superstitions: in times of plague, Jews were blamed for poisoning wells. When cattle died, Jews were accused of cursing the beasts. When children disappeared, Jews were accused of kidnapping/murdering the children in order to mix the innocent Christian blood with bread to make matzoh (this came to be known as "blood libel.") And Jews were also routinely accused of stealing hosts from churches, so that they could fuck with them, to symbolically kill the Jeebus again (this came to be known as "host desecration").
Well, that's about all I can recall when it comes to the basis of the rumors about evil, wealthy, mysterious, secretive Jews controlling shit.
>>1291802
Very good, succinct summary of some of the more important points. I was more long-winded in my treatment of these issues further down.
>>1291820
That's why Jews are the master race, gets all the benefits of white privilege without any of the guilt and all the good stuff that comes with being a minority without any downsides.
>>1291876
Isnt one of their tales how they were trapped in egypt and god made all the egyptian children die, if the house owner didtn make a sign witht he blood of a goat on his door?
Maybe that got into the collective memory of the abrahmic religions
>>1291241
AFAIK, Kings kicked them out because they owed them money and took them back in when their debt was forgiven (so they could later on borrow money from them again).
>>1291843
>be white
>commit incest
>not white anymore
what?
>>1291820
When it's convenient.
>>1291998
>what?
>not being white is the only way to be ruined
>>1291632
>wealthy
List is basically history's biggest retards, especially Cicero, literal sperglord was a literal sperglord, 15 minutes of fame then embaresses himself into oblivion
>>1292038
t. jew
>>1292081
t. uneducated NEET
>>1292128
There is the tracking record of not assimilating and trying to take the upper hand in their host countries. imagine talented Roma and you can see where the reputation arises.
>>1292145
Hi 8fag
>>1291978
Doesn't explain the hate of their neighbours. In fact, it was often kings protecting the jews, they were expulsed when they lost the favour of the monarch.
>>1291853
So...
Because people are retards?
>>1291853
To be fair Jews have a complex about an manual labor and would like self select for cognitive trades anyway
>>1291658
Thank you. I was so confused, even by /pol/ standards I thought it was ridiculous
>>1291717
This. The Rothschilds and the banking empire really ramped up anti semitism
>>1292245
Can you not see how this "complex" was brought about through force? Time and time again (going back 1500+ years), as soon as Jews arrived in some European location, they were forbidden from doing farm labor, and were excluded from trade guilds.
>>1292201
>There is the tracking record of not assimilating and trying to take the upper hand in their host countries. imagine talented Roma and you can see where the reputation arises.
More like a track record of being deliberately excluded from society, forced to live in certain districts and constantly at the whim of angry mobs and leaders. Yes, Judaism is a very tribal religion and culture that in its own texts isn't too keen on nonbelievers or Christians. People making the argument "They deserved their fate because they wouldn't assimilate!" act as if all the edicts, texts, libels, expulsions and pogroms had no impact on Jewish society, weren't deliberate and not at all reactionary. When given the opportunity to assimilate, as in the US but also in Germany pre Nazism and USSR pre Stalin, Jews ditched their religion and joined the nation in droves.
But as modern antisemitism shows, it doesn't matter how white or secular or patriotic a Jew is, they are still seen as a Jew. How can anyone be considered assimilated if the standard for assimilation excludes Jews with deliberately ambiguous definition of Jewishness (ranging from code for capitalist/communist to actual religious definitions). This is why Jews stick together.
The idea that Communism is inherently a Jewish ideology is very much overblown (because many Jews were fighting against it/harmed by it), it is understandable in the very least that an ideology like Communism that offered liberation and classless society would be appealing to an oppressed people such as the Jews. I find it funny how antisemitism today completely forgot that the same arguments they make were made hundreds of years ago with little change at all - yet they invariably act as if it is some profound revelation and counter-cultural act to do so. Or that dropping redpills on the Jews does anything to change Jews perceived behavior, as everything including genocide has been tried (but they deny that so they can try again)
>>1292320
I think they found their niche and and want to have it both ways with the victim game. The Talmud discourages it it is baked in the challah.
>>1292391
The /his/bara is real
>>1292346
>Jews play the victim game
Because it benefits them HOW? Remember Jews had been persecuted pretty much unopposed nonstop up until the end of the Nazi regime. Social justice is a 21st century postmodern phenomenon. How exactly did the Jews monetize the Inquisition of 1492 or the pogroms in Ukraine of the 19th century? Did the Jews get vengeance by bringing the Plague after slights in the medieval period, when they were first made to wear distinguishing hats? Or when various kingdoms forbid Jews from certain professions, yet said royalty had no problem profiting off of the only thing they were allowed to do - money and merchandise? If Jews hated manual labor so, why was the Zionism a socialist agrarian movement in its earliest stages?
Jews got their shit pushed in for centuries everywhere they went and you want to define it as playing the victim card. Or you justify it somehow. Any way it goes, "Jews had it coming". See the pattern here?
>The talmud discourages it
Classic blame the Talmud argument. Proof?
I know they allowed usury on non jews and the whole not working on the Sabbath predates the Talmud but I cannot recall anything that said "fuck goyim make money" that was official universal law. Talmud isn't all encompassing, eternal binding law - its a living document and only very religious jews studied it - do Catholics regard every papal decree made hundreds of years ago with the same binding spirit?
>>1292395
/His/rael is a Jewish board. Accept it, goy
>>1292395
>The /his/bara is real
Nah, you are just a /pol/shill who doesn't care about facts and / or history.
There are tons of websites where you can study the full text of the talmud for free. Most fake /pol/ tier talmud "quotes" are fully made up, in the other cases the context clearly explains what the misunderstanding is.
For example here:
http://www.come-and-hear.com/talmud/
>>1292413
They import Arabs to do the manual labor in isreal. The Jews are too unwilling that they are diversifying Israel for cheap goy labor.
>>1292320
Quit believing nonsense. Never in the history of the world has someone been forced to take the more socially prestigious and better paying jobs over manual labor. It is highly indicative of bribery is what it is. Do you know how ridiculous that sounds, even?
>>1291687
Delete this
>>1292483
>Kaiser exports Russian revolutionaries to incite revolution
>revolution spreads to Germany
THE DAMN JEWS MUST HAVE DONE THIS
>>1292431
Yes, you do have a point about Arab exploitation and whether Zionist repression of Arabs and Jewish minorities was by intent or by function is a huge topic to debate. Still, you cannot deny that early Zionists were agrarian communist as fuck.
But remember this is about the argument that Jews by the very nature of their religious and cultural identity were opposed to manual labor and predisposed to finance and mercantile. That has already been covered previously in this thread, Jews were historically forbidden from owning land and were banned from certain occupations so they took to finance and markets. Land owners, nobility and royalty all profited from this arrangement, with the depiction of the "court Jew" commonplace. When the leaderships corruption, debt or incompetence was about to catch up to them, as happened frequently during the feudal middle ages, that was when they pulled the "JEWS DID IT" card and washed their hands of guilt. Plebs were more inclined to believe Jews were up to no good from ancient antisemitic legends than realize that it was ploy. Its an old as hell cop out and easy scapegoat morons from /pol/ think is new and clever.
>>1292504
The precedence and rabbinical prescriptions came first before the boys did.
Can someone explain how the fact that Jews were involved in finance and were a clannish society any way justifies/explains the unusually vicious persecution the Jews faced? Cause every explanation for why Jews were hated seems to make the antisemitic reaction appear way out of proportion. Also how one reconciles ancient antisemitic myths with more modern and logical political antisemitism?
>>1292513
Can you provide a source?
>>1292413
I think nobody here is denying that they got persecuted big time. We speculate about how much of it they brought to the table themselves. Probably it was a vicious circle of persecution and isolationism.
They play the victim role nowadays because our public discourse works in their favor, and they benefit from it.
Do they act different from any other people? No, they try to survive hard times and try to profit on good times.
>>1292531
>be king in france
>in between fucking 11 year olds and eating venison, borrow money from commercial guilds
>borrow way too much
>accidentally spend all your money on fucking 11 year olds and killing Englishmen, with the occasional crusade
>kill people who you owe a majority of your debt to
England did the same thing but had the decency to just expel them, not burn their houses down
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edict_of_Expulsion
Economically, Jews played a key role in the country. The church at the time strictly forbade the lending of money for profit. This created a vacuum in the economy of Europe that Jews filled due to extreme discrimination in every other economic area; canon law was not considered applicable to Jews, and Judaism permits loans with interest between Jews and non-Jews.[4] As a consequence, some Jews made large amounts of money. Taking advantage of their unique status as his direct subjects, the King could appropriate Jewish assets in the form of taxation. He levied heavy taxes on Jews at will without having to summon Parliament.[5] The Jewish community acted as a kind of giant monetary filter: Jews collected interest on money lent to the people which the King could take at his pleasure.
Yeah, Jews are totally horn-toting mother fuckers aren't they.
Almost exact same situation when Spain was united, though each incident requires it's own research
>>1292459
I understand, you're ignorant. The history is out there, and well-documented. You're the kind of dumb who believes what you want to believe, regardless of the facts.
If you decide to get educated on the topic, start with the Council of Elvira. Read on from there.
>>1292911
Isreal doesn't have an olympic medal count to suggest jews are manual labor stock
>>1292571
All this proves to me is that classically the kings of Europe were bad Christians. They did not have the strength of faith to avoid taking out loans at interest. Shame on them for that. They are rightly damned for that, and all good-thinking Christians rightly spit upon their graves.
>>1292924
>Non-responsive; can't follow a train of thought.
>Generally discombobulated and confused.
>>1292948
Jews are an overly literate culture and that cones at the exchange of physicality it's just like minmaxing.
>>1292954
You are hopelessly confused.
Whatever is or is not an overly literate culture, you definitely can't be counted among any of them.
I once read a fortune cookie: "do not try to teach a pig to sing. It wastes your time, and annoys the pig."
I'm out. I'm wasting my time, and annoying/confusing the pig.
>>1291654
Look in Paramont Pictures. Who the fuck would name their Jewish kid Adolf.
>>1293098
Beans don Jesus it makes sense.
>>1292954
What the fuck are you talking about
>>1291247
t.Jew
>>1291247
pretty much
>>1291234
>>1291241
Skepticism and mistrust towards the jews goes way back to atleast the early roman imperial times when the religion was the cause behind significant unrest in the eastern parts of the empire as a result of the jewish rebellions in which the jews lost their homeland. As such the jews became strangers in foreign lands who stuck to their own customs, which among other distasteful things included atheism in the sense that they rejected the gods. The refusal of making religious sacrifices to the emperor was in itself a matter of national security which was one of the main reasons for the earlier conflicts between the state and the jews.
When christianity became the state/primary religion of the empire and the other new states that made up europe, the jews got the increased prejudices that comes with being god-killers and non-believers.
Later on jews were also forbidden from owning land, which resulted in them having to find some other type of work to make a living, which would push them towards providing services for the city life, which commonly involves some sort of luxury. They could also use the opportunity given to them by not belong to the same religion as the general public to offer loans with interest to the christians, as a christian was forbidden from charging interest to another christian.
As such you have a people who are relatively isolated from the general people in a state but somehow make up an abnormal large part of the wealthier classes, with different customs and the wrong religion, that you or someone you know and care about is likely to owe money too. They also happened to be the cause of the death of your god and messiah, for which every single one of them are still guilty.
As such it's not odd that jews came to be viewed with mistrust and enmity, which leaves ample opportunity for conspiracy-thinking.
>>1291299
This does not acount for antisemitism in orthodox countries and is thus not a satisfactory explanation.
In the Middle Ages the Church outlawed usury (lending money for profit) for Christians.
The only bankers were Jews.
Everyone hates bankers, unless you're a rich banker too.
So in the Middle Ages everyone (Christian) started hated Jews because they were the bankers.
Need money? In debt? Poor? No Christian Nobleman to help you? Go see a Jew and borrow money.
Because of this, no one should wonder why there is an inherent bias against Jews from Christians.
Here's why Poles and Lithuanians hate Jews:
>The Commonwealth was called Noble's Paradise, sometimes ― the Jewish Paradise, but also Purgatory for the Townsfolk (Burghers) and Hell for the Peasants.[15]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Liberty#Assessment
>>1292336
Typical kike tactic to make the issue black and white as you have done. Yes jews have been historically excluded in European societies but they have also consistently pursued in group interests at the expense of the general populace.
Case in point the United states. They have been accepted and assimilated and yet they pursue the most aggressive in group strategy of any other ethnicity. They control and boast about their control of finance, media, and academia and yet assure their detractors that their cause is 'just' and 'moral'.
It can be argued all day. The false religion of victimhood that the Jews time and again erect is starting to wobble in the face of their social, political, and financial hegemony over the west. It would be good if I lived to see the day when they can finally fulfill their collective victim fetish.
>>1295252
>treat a minority like utter shit
>be completely flabbergasted that the minority don't want to contribute to the majority and prefer to look after themselves instead
You people have the same mentality as the jock who shoves the nerds head down a toilet, then wonders why the nerds won't help them with your homework.
>>1293387
Good post. The first few chapters from Lacquer's History Of Zionism also provides a great analysis. For the OP, it basically started after the downfall of the Divided Kingdom period, where Jews were conquered by the Babylonians and exiled. That's where all their problems stem from.
>jews now have no native land
>strong scriptures, literacy tradition to keep their ethno-religious identity alive, unlike roma
>exist as a rootless minority state-without-a-state, in any state they inhabit
>goyim tied to their state (Babylonians, Egyptians, Romans, Christian Europeans) shun them for not assimilating
>Christians force them into high finance
>Americans force them into media
>media and high finance are extremely influential
BUT WAIT! It's 1948, Israel is a state now! Their problems should disappear!
>Jews face the internal conflict of being outside their homeland longer than they were inside it, more defined by the historical rootlessness and persecution complex than the actual state of Israel
>paradox, can't process what to do with themselves
There you have it.
>>1291247
>20th Century memes
19th century american populist party:
Some Populists believed that Jews made up a class of international financiers whose policies had ruined small family farms, they asserted, owned the banks and promoted the gold standard, the chief sources of their impoverishment. Agrarian radicalism posited the city as antithetical to American values, asserting that Jews were the essence of urban corruption
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Party_(United_States)
no one is saying antisemitism is ok, malakai, but you pretending it only just happened is why people have conspiracies of jewish cover ups. you sound like people that argue racism didnt exist until the american slave industry made it up, which some how made it to asia where the chinese and japanese hate eachother based on race and also went back in time and made aristotle write that greeks should be kept racially pure and enslave non-greeks, which he called, barbarians.
>>1295436
>Some Populists believed that Jews made up a class of international financiers whose policies had ruined small family farms, they asserted, owned the banks and promoted the gold standard, the chief sources of their impoverishment.
Aren't all of those things true? So-called "International finance" continues to drive down wages of native industry to this day.
>>1295451
>Some Populists believed that Jews made up a class of international financiers whose policies had ruined small family farms, they asserted, owned the banks and promoted the gold standard, the chief sources of their impoverishment.
>Aren't all of those things true?
>Jews being evil masterminds controlling the world?
you dont see the connection? I'll try and match them up:
>international financiers
=
>controlling the world
>evil masterminds
=
>whose policies had ruined small family farms
>owned the banks and promoted the gold standard, the chief sources of their impoverishment.
even if you dont think these are clear connections that resolve everything, you must now take issue with OP's wording:
>far-fetched idea
because it clearly isnt thay far fetched.
At no point am I arguing this is clear evidence for truth, but that I can see why people started thinking this way.
