>be the Bolsheviks
>proclaim all power to the soviets and the Russian people
>suppress the soviets
>shoot striking workers
>pressgang people into the Red Army with threats of violence to them or their families
>destroy the Ukrainian Free Territory
>try to impose soviets from the top-down on various eastern European nations and call it 'Revolution'
>centralize power and kill those who protest like the Kronstadt sailors
>throw a fit when you don't win a majority in the assembly and drive out your opponents at the end of bayonets
>talk about 'muh self determination of nations' and then force all of the oppressed ethnic groups of the Russian Empire back into your Soviet Union
>get defeated by the Poles who've only been a country for like two months
What the fuck happened?
PERFIDIOUS
congratulations you just found out that elites just replace each other and nothing changes except the label
>>1288765
Russians happened.
>Be Russian
>Try monarchy
>Get despotism
>Try western absolute monarchy
>Get despotism
>Try constitutional monarchy
>Get despotism
>Try communism
>Get despotism
>Try liberal capitalism
>Get despotism.
Things went to shit after the industrial working class, their support base, was fucked by years of brutal civil war. They turned to purely statist tactics, convinced they were the true "workers state" surrounded by enemies.
>>1288765
>>1288771
>be Jews
>hate Russians and other Christians
>overthrow Russian tsar and kill some Christians
>install communsim
>don't stop there and kill some more Christians
>we don't just hate Christians
>kill some Turkic people too
>maybe the Tartars suck
>let's kill them
>communism has never been tried before
>>1288786
>Install communism
Not so fast.
When did that happen?
>>1288786
Stalin killed more jews than Hitler.
>>1288789
In 1917 after the Bolsheviks won.
>>1288786
>be the Jews
>be overrepresented in the Bolshevik party but still by far a minority
>don't overthrow the Russian tsar; that already happened
>overthrow an ineffectual and useless provisional government
>install Communism
>kill a bunch of Christians because no shit most of Russia is Christian so any time you're killing a Russian you're probably killing a Christian
>suppress Judaism as well as Christianity
>"muh jews did the revolution"
>>1288801
I'm not so sure.
Last I checked they instituted a form of state capitalism and repressed any worker led movements.
>>1288806
>muh transitional period
>muh withering away of the state
>>1288811
I think democracy is a prerequisite for that.
>>1288806
Just because the failed to institute perfect Marxist Communism (as opposed to non-Marxist Communism) doesn't mean they weren't trying Communism.
>>1288831
Red October wasn't even a revolution, it was a coup.
>>1288831
Their ideology was grounded in communist ideas, however in practice it was not communist at all. It actively worked against communism.
>>1288765
Simple: 1903 second party congress.
Muh proletarian dictatorship + majority only rule(Bolshevism) = political math error.
If you form an imperfect (read elitist) tyranny to construct the people's utopia (communism) while actively ignoring the minority factions needs and ideals you will by inches have the initial error magnified in your result until it eclipses the entire work.
You end up with the same tyranny you sought to replace; just as delusional and solipsistic, just as irrelevant to the needs of the people let alone morality, and eventually, just as bloody.
tldr: Lenin = Robert Baratheon; strong, charismatic, good at seizing power, bad at ruling, and god help us all when his successor tries to take over the mess he left behind.
>>1288802
No one seems to mention the White Army was made up of an equal number of Jews from the Don and Kuba regions as well, wasn't entirely Cossack
>>1288848
I'm not defending genocide and mass murder.
I'm saying the USSR was not communist and by extension communists shouldn't defend it.
>>1288855
It was communist, failed communism. Which is all any communism can hope for under Marx.
>>1288874
>It was communist
Proof?
Lenins father started as a serf, studied, built schools and was awarded a title of nobility. Yet his his chucklefuck sons thought progress.needed violent revolution. Can't explain that.
>>1288897
The leaders.
>>1288931
Do you have any idea how self-contradictory that post is?
>>1288923
>claw your way into the oppressor class
>'progress'
daily reminder that the parasite tsar was executed by a jew
>>1288941
>promoted to oppressor for building hundreds of schools for the peasants
>>1288932
Communists don't care about the masses.
>>1289049
The exact opposite is true
>But the Soviets . . .
Circular logic.
>>1288941
Who did Lenins dad explicitly oppress?
>>1289074
He's right though. Communists, especially Bolshivists, basically believe that the masses don't know what's good for them and that they need to be lead by the nose by "true" revolutionaries. Communism is only democratic when it suits those who spearhead the revolution.
>>1288765
>proclaim all power to the soviets and the Russian people
>suppress the soviets
>and so on
And /pol/ memelords call them socialist.
>>1289089
Bolshevists are only communist when it suits themselves.
Like when it came to naming themselves.
>>1289102
So are all other communists to communism has never been tired communists.
>>1289089
That's vanguardism which is an exclusively Leninist aka Bolshevik idea.
Actual communists are inherently pro-democracy.
>>1289118
Mass murder by a group is still mass murder, even if one group votes on murdering the other.
>>1288801
The Communists did not have control until 1921-22. Even then they had to contend with decay caused by centuries of Imperialism, years of destruction caused by the Great War, and then more destruction caused by the counter-Revolution. Also on-going attacks by foreign Imperialists/Capitalists.
>>1289127
. . . and?
>>1289118
Lol do you actually believe that?
>>1289146
Yes.
>>1289129
With the track record of communists, they'll just vote on mass murder and genocide.
>>1289155
Why would anyone?
>>1288850
>Cossacks are Jews!
no shit sherlock!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jewish_Cossacks
also the white army was known as the yiddish army for a reason
>>1288765
As a communist I will try explain the thought process of some of these things.
Russia was in the midst of a civil war and they were losing, the Soviets, weary of War Communism, basically wanted to strike, but striking would seriously fuck the war effort, thus the Soviets were crushed and workers forced back to work (or killed sadly)
It should be noted that the NEP did relax much of this, but too little too late imo.
Other issues is that the Russian public weren't exactly a progressive bunch, this is why Stalin pretty much reversed every actual decent thing about the Revolution, because those positive social gains at the time were viewed by most of the public as "Degeneracy".
Lenin fucked up, but I understand the thought processes at the time. You had gained power, you are in the midst of a civil war and you are dealing with a population filled with fucking retards. What else are you going to do?
>>1288778
Truly a race of slaves
Muh vanguard party happened
>>1289611
>As a communist
Please stop
Extremes of anything are a waste of time to even bother and you look like a fag
kys
>>1289922
I want centrist circle-jerkers to leave.
Stay mad faggot.
