>early 1900's
>more prosperous and wealthy than Canada and most of Western Europe
>2001
>essentially a failed state with an economy melting down similar to modern day Venezuela
When did it all go wrong?
Jaja nothing is wrong, everything is muy bien jajaja you know the real problem? BRITAIN STOLE OUR ISLANDS!
>>1273194
Populism à la Perón
>>1273194
US cold-war influence
All of South America is basically fucked at this point, not a single true succes story stands out
According to some ederly people from my country that lived there for many years, 1970 was the year when everything started to go wrong.
You can start from here your research.
>>1273253
this.
The Cold War is 90% of the reasons every fucked up country today is fucked up.
>>1273200
LA DICTADURAAAAAAAAAAA
Argentina became prosperous by exporting wheat and beef to the British Empire.
Once the British Empire was gone, and most of it's land start producing it's own food thanks to the Green Revolution, their competitive advantage became obsolete.
People who blame Perón are deluded. He dindu nuffin wrong, he tried to change the country economy, industrializing the country. It was the old elite, who still thought they could become rich and prosperous by agriculture alone, who fucked up the country with their military coups and liberal economic policies.
Military junta and cult of Peron
Peronism is cancer.
Also, they never built up strong institutions or moved onto a secondary industrial economy.
Think of one of those countries that comes into a shitload of money from oil or mining, and then does nothing of value with it.
That's more or less Argentina.
>>1274129
its fucking true
>30s coup to establish jeiwsh central bank
>55 neoliberal dictatorship
>Democratic government again
>2 coups
>70s neo liberal andti people dictatorship
>800s Marekt coup, president resigns
>90s Neoliberal puppet government privatizes literally everything does exactly what Europeans did to cause the 2008 crisis. In Argentina it was in 2001. Same crisis
>01 crisis, Coup again
>Kirchnerism continued with the 90s policies albeit instead of subsidizing the currency at first they subsidized the multinationals through subsidizing consumption while importing millions of niggers from nearby countries
>money run out
>We now have another uber neoliberal ultra jew american puppet who is already going to establish american military bases
>Its Argentina's fault
>Its totally not the US
>>1274466
Why is Japan an industrialized country then.
They were occupied by the US for 7 years, and they still depend on the US for their defense.
Hint: It's because you can't have a strong country without strong institutions, and Argentina never developed strong enough rule of law to support a successful economy.
>>1274475
The US needed a proxy to hold china off
same shit they didn't follow through with the destruction of Germany's industry
>and Argentina never developed strong enough rule of law to support a successful economy.
Except it fucking did
1880s up until the 30s coup was the richest it has ever been
In the 40s it was getting industrialized, all consumer goods were produced here. Peron had a 3 period plan, first consumption industry then the agrarian sector then the primary sector. He got couped after the first one by a US backed coup
BUt then the 55 dictatorship came and undid all it could. They even approved a fucking constitution without calling for a constitutional assembly
During all Argentina's history it was always meddled with by foreingers
You have no idea the US backed coups did to the country. We had Hyperinflation multiple times during illegitimate governments
But don't worry they are already doing the EXACT same that happened here in Europe and the EXACT same will happen in America sooner or later, once it has outlived its usefulness
>>1274129
US cold war foreign policy did fuck up a lot of shit in South America, the middle east and Africa though.
>>1274486
>1880s up until the 30s coup
Could this have something to do with refrigeration and international shipping driving up the price of beef, and Argentina being one of the best places in the world to grow beef?
>In the 40s it was getting industrialized, all consumer goods were produced here. Peron had a 3 period plan, first consumption industry then the agrarian sector then the primary sector. He got couped after the first one by a US backed coup
Import substitution industrialization doesn't work. This is actually one of the primary reasons Latin America didn't industrialize as quickly as East Asia, who used export driven industrialization schemes that actually work.
>During all Argentina's history it was always meddled with by foreingers
I think you guys actually got fucked with less than Chile.
Besides, weren't half of these coups the work of Peronists themselves?
>>1274501
>Could this have something to do with refrigeration and international shipping driving up the price of beef, and Argentina being one of the best places in the world to grow beef?
No. It had all to do with the fucking country getting unified, industrialized and modernize . Tons of railway were built, tons of mines were open, tons of factories to process that shit were open, the national education system was created, bunch of frigorifics were created. The creation of a national merchant fleet and a ton of other shit
>Import substitution industrialization doesn't work. This is actually one of the primary reasons Latin America didn't industrialize as quickly as East Asia, who used export driven industrialization schemes that actually work.
>Having manufacturing industry doesn't work
It was working well up until the coup which removed all trade barriers, sold national industry enabled financial meddling by foreingers and other shit that every sold out did
>I think you guys actually got fucked with less than Chile.
Like fucking 12+ coups throuhg out history
>Probably as many years of illigitimate governments as legitimate ones
>Multiple presidents forced to resignation who had no power during their government because of groups influenced by foreign campaigns
>Less meddled with
>Chile is still a massive shithole that gets their money from copper mines and nothing else
>>1274486
>>1274466
The 30's coups had nothing to do with the US. By that time, the US practiced isolationism and was going through a depression.
Said coup happened because Argentina's economy was in the gutter due to said depression and because Yrigoyen was utterly ignorant as to how bad the economic situation was.
>>1274466
Argentina has defaulted on its loans more than any other country in history. The US certainly didn't help, but don't pretend local factors and Peronism didn't make things worse.
>>1274534
So I'm actually looking into this.
What I'm getting is.
>Argentinian rightists had an unhealthy fixation with using the military to solve political problems
>most of Argentina's leadership in the 20th century was economically illiterate
>Peron was a shithead
>Peronism is unmitigated cancer
>none of the powerful factions in Argentinian politics had any real respect for rule of law
>Argentinian history between the 1930 coup and the fall of the last junta in 83 was characterized by warfare between leftists and rightists, neither of whom had any idea how to run a country well
>after the last batch of shitheads raised the body count into the tens of thousands, the Argentinians finally wised up that a constitutional republic with rule of law is a good idea, something the US realized in the 1770s
>there is a reason Argentina has consistently done worse than Uruguay or Chile
>>1274535
The 30s coup was the fucking british kikes (not Britain)
Who enabled the creation of a central bank which was run exclusively by jews
> Yrigoyen was utterly ignorant as to how bad the economic situation was.
>Created the national oil omdustry from the scratch
>regulated the railway and foreing companies
>Defended German industries in Argentina during WW1
Of course he had to go
>>1274548
>ARgentina defaulted on debt THAT IT SHOULDNT HAVE PAID BECAUSE IT WAS CAUSED BY ILLEGITIMATE GOVERNMETNS AND INTERNATIONAL LAW SAYS YOU DONT HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO PAY IT
>THE DEBT WAS SO BIG THERE WAS HYPERINFLATION IN THE 80s
>THE GOVERNMENT TRIED TO CREATE A NEW CURRENCY PEGGED TO THE DOLLAR TO BE ABLE TO PAY THE DEBTS BUT SINCE THE COUP HAD LEFT A BUNCH OF TRAITORS WHO RESPOND TO INTERNATIONAL INTERESTS THEY DID A MARKET COUP WHICH MEANT NO DOLLARS WHICH MEANT HYPERINFLATION AGIN
>THEN THE NEWOLIBERAL UBBER PUPPET MENEM CAME PRIVATISED EVERYTHING THAT WAS LEFT< DISMANTLED THE INFRASTRUCTURE CUT SOCIAL SREVICES REMOVED TRADE BARRIERS INCLUDING CHINA WHO SOLD EVERYTHING FOR AF RACTIon. NATIONALIZED THE DEBT OF COMPANIES WHO HAD GONE BANKRUPT ON PURPOSE TO STEAL FROM THE TREASURY, EMPTIED THE RESERVES WHICH LED TO ANOTHER CRISIS AND COUP
>THEN THE KIRCHNER CAMES AND SIGNED ALL SORT OF SHIT THAT MADE ARGENTINA LOSE SOVEREIGNTY AND KEPT WITH THE STATE DESTRUCTION PLAN AND AFRICANIZATION OF THE COUNTRY
>ALL WITH THE EXCUSE OF A ILLEGITIMATE DEBT WE SHOULDNT BE PAYING IN THE FIRST PLACE
>>1274580
Here's a tip.
People do not care why you can't pay them back their money.
They care about getting their money back.
This is why there are sophisticated mechanisms for creditor countries to wreck debtor countries who don't pay up.
Given that Argentina has been democratic since 1983, I don't think this is a viable explanation for their continuing economic woes.
>>1274575
>Argentina aristocracy was linked to the british one as they exporeted their shit to britian
>The rest of Argentinean rich people were traitors that did fuckery in Argentina with the help of kike british bankers
>The core of the country is fucked
>GLorious governments made Argentina first world
>The US doesnt want competition and Britain and Kikes who control Britain want shekels
>BRITISH/KIKE Coup and kike central bank
>Peron comes and does every hitler did in germany, mass nationalization, mass industrialization, workers rights,etc
>US BACKED COUP
>new government comes it has some power
>It has to resign
>New pero government
>US BACKED UP
>All political parties fuse into one giant clusterfuck and they call that peronism
>Peron comes back
>GIant clusterfuck chimps out as they want control of the country
>They are all commie and jew infiltrates
>The dictatorship had created different groups of power on purpose that were as strong as the government
>Democratic president comes
>US BACKED COUP
>Menem comes and does the jew US bidding
>New president comes
>US BACKED COUP
>Kirchners come along
>multiple coups attempts hwich i dont understand since they did everything the US wanted
>NEW US PUPPET IN POWER
>>1274580
>THAT IT SHOULDNT HAVE PAID BECAUSE IT WAS CAUSED BY ILLEGITIMATE GOVERNMETNS AND INTERNATIONAL LAW SAYS YOU DONT HAVE THE OBLIGATION TO PAY IT
That's not how it works. Those governments signed contracts obligating the country to pay back the loans. The UK is still paying down loans taken from 1723, the US is still paying out WWII bonds, Germany and Japan just recently completed its final payments after renegotiating their war debt. It didn't matter that they were created under previous administrations.
>>1274597
It hasn't been democratic you piece of shit. 2 fucking coups in 3 decades and 2+ of those 3 decades have been by the same people
Pro tip
Unless you are from western Europe Japan China or America you can bet your ass off they are going to try to destroy the country as much as it can to ransack it. Look at Greece
Now its Europes turn to suffer and when theres nothing left the US will be destroyed and the world will be one giant shithole filled with niggers
>>1274599
wait there were more coups but you get the idea
>>1274606
>That's not how it works
YES IT FUCKING DOES
THAT SHIT IS TILL OPEN NO GOVERNMENT HAS TOUCHED IT NOR INVESTIGATED IF THE DEBTS ARE NOT MADE UP
BECAUSE THEY WOULD GET COUPED AND THE REST BECAUSE THEY ARE TRAITORS
>>1274599
See, there are things here I agree with.
>a self interested corrupt aristocracy
This is a chronic problem in Latin America. I think it derives from Spanish society, especially the tendency towards plantation agriculture.
>too many fucking coups
I don't think foreign intervention was necessary here, just prolonged civil strife and a military that was never fully subservient to civilian governments.
I don't think you need burgers and bongs and kikes to make the pieces fit.
Also, I'm pretty sure that the prosperity at the turn of the 20th century was a typical commodities boom, which is always going to be temporary, because global commodities prices are unstable.
Honestly, I think if the governments in Argentina did everything the US wanted, they'd be better off. The US does a fantastic job at making countries, and it would cut down on the leftist impulses that discourage foreign investment and fuck with domestic industry.
>>1274580
Yrigoyen was in his 70's by that point and had never dealt with an economic crises this big. He assumed Argentina could ride out the fallout so did nothing to stop it.
>>1273194
They are still one of the most properous Latinameriacan state. They have the highest HDI and I bet my ass their economy will improve in the next years now that their are no longer under that unsustainable lefty economic model.
>>1274606
>>1274612
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Odious_debt
In international law, odious debt, also known as illegitimate debt, is a legal theory that holds that the national debt incurred by a regime for purposes that do not serve the best interests of the nation, should not be enforceable. Such debts are, thus, considered by this doctrine to be personal debts of the regime that incurred them and not debts of the state. In some respects, the concept is analogous to the invalidity of contracts signed under coercion.[1]
In December 2008, Ecuadorian President Rafael Correa attempted to default on Ecuador's national debt, calling it illegitimate odious debt, because it was contracted by corrupt and despotic prior regimes.[12] He succeeded in reducing the price of the debt letters before continuing paying the debt.[13]
After the overthrow of Haiti's Jean-Claude Duvalier in 1986, there were calls to cancel Haiti's debt owed to multilateral institutions, calling it unjust odious debt, and Haiti could better use the funds for education, health care, and basic infrastructure.[14] As of February 2008, the Haiti Debt Cancellation Resolution had 66 co-sponsors in the U.S. House of Representatives.[15] Several organizations in the United States issued action alerts around the Haiti Debt Cancellation Resolution, and a Congressional letter to the U.S. Treasury,[16] including Jubilee USA, the Institute for Justice & Democracy in Haiti and Pax Christi USA.
>>1274616
>The US does a fantastic job at making countries
Which ones?
>>1274643
Japan, South Korea, West Germany, Israel...
>>1274616
None of them would have doen shit if the US hadn't told them to trained and helped
The fucking 70s coups in ALL latinamerica was led by people who were trained in panama . THeres fucking proof of this
>The US and Foreing kikes had no responsibility because a part of your country is corrupt, they should have not accepted
>The US britain kikes and whatever didn't have a role in hte destruction of the country through blocking trade which was their staple in the 18000s
>Or enforcing a trade monopoly with Britain
>or biritish industries radicated in Argentina trying as hard as they could to not to allow other countries to invest in the country. This was the case up until the 1900s were Germany and the US took over
>>1274619
>Successful president made the country rich couldn't have dealt with a crisis
>despite he dealt with the WW1 crsisi where ARgentina's goods were unabled to be sold because it fucking defended Germany PLUS british companies did all in their power like create high inflation to coerce the government to close german's industries
The crisis hit AFTER HE WAS COUPED
Argentina grew with WW2 not 1
>>1274628
No it wont. New policiy is to let multinationals in and privatize again. The kirchner merely did the clean up work to prepare for the asshole who is now. I at least hope he sends nigger back to their niggeer countries
>>1274628
Also, they have finally dealt with their debt.
I've heared that some comodities' prices a rising, but that might be parte of the shit-cleaning the new government has to do. iifc there were a lot of products which 's prices had been frozen
>>1274646
>Japan and South korea
>Proxies against china that need to be strong not to be absorved
>West germany was going to be dismantled but since communist was close they needed Germany to be strong
>Israel is founded by all the kike bankers who have stole all the money from the world
And now Europe is being destroyed
>>1273194
Dude argentina was always shithole with nearly no manpower
>>1274643
Japan, South Korea, and West Germany are the examples I was thinking of.
I think the Philippines also improved somewhat under American tutelage, but the US administration there wasn't as capable, and frankly it was a less promising country anyway.
Now Iraq and Afghanistan, that's honestly very hard to quantify because the countries were such shitholes beforehand. Parliamentary democracy in those countries has survived Al-Maliki and Karzai, and ISIS and the Taliban, but those states don't provide many services right now.
I'd have to give the effort a C overall, mostly due to the failure to avert insurgencies in both countries before they became almost impossible to eradicate. I get chills thinking of the atmosphere in Iraq in April of 2003, before the jihadists managed to get the Sunni and Shia at war with one another.
>>1274649
>New policiy is to let multinationals in and privatize again.
I think the '01 crisis is still pretty fresh in their memory to let that happen again.
Also, the new government will have to be a lot more moderate because he is not a Peronista, and Peronistas don't let anyone else rule unless they can have it their way.
>>1274649
He couldn't. His ministers also blindsided him because they didn't want to get fired for a crises they knew they couldn't fix.
>The crisis hit AFTER HE WAS COUPED
Stock market crash: December 1929
Coup: September 1930
>>1274649
>Muh multinationals
>>1274649
>None of them would have doen shit if the US hadn't told them to trained and helped
See, here's the part where I'm not so sure.
What you had with the rise of the radical government, and then the fall of it after the Great Depression was the setup for sustained strife between the left and right wing, with no clear resolution.
France had the same thing happen after their revolution in 1789, and the end result is that they're on their fifth republic, the most recent one coming into force in the 50s.
A representative democracy is a very delicate thing when it's in the developmental phase, and a sudden shock, say, the Great Depression, would be enough to cause a century of turmoil.
>>1274668
>and Peronistas don't let anyone else rule unless they can have it their way.
Fucking this. They will never leave
>>1274649
Yes, the Cold War had Left and Right Guerillas funded by the US and USSR fighting each other, we understand that. That's only part of the reason Latin America was shit.
>>1274664
>I think the Philippines also improved somewhat under American tutelage, but the US administration there wasn't as capable, and frankly it was a less promising country anyway.
The US had plenty of time to mold into a economic powerhouse if they wished to. From what I've seen they didn't really care to.
>Now Iraq and Afghanistan, that's honestly very hard to quantify because the countries were such shitholes beforehand.
When they rebuilt South Korean and Japan neither were in good condition. I believe Iraq could have been done much better if they had a solid plan for development.
>>1273194
>When did all (go) wrong?
Argentine history is left turn after left turn. I swear I felt so frustrantes while learning about it at uni. It is remarcably surprising how well off they are nowadays considering all they've been through.
>>1274668
Argentina only exist in name now. People gave up on the country
he is a fucking jew puppet to the max and the alternative are the fucking niggers
I would fucking mass murder all of them if i had the power
The only thing that can save the country is a coup done by nationalists
>>1274673
>STrife between left and right
>THE OENS WHO LED THE COUP WERE TRAINED BY THE US
>PREVIOUS TO THE COUPS ARGENTINA HAD ALL SORT OF POLITICAL PARTIES RAGING FROM ANARCHISM TO COMMUNISM TO NAZISM TO CONSERVATISM ETC
>ALL LATINAMERICAN COUNTRIES HAD COUPS THAT DID THE SAME POLICIES AND SAID THE SAME SHIT AT THE SAME TIME
>Ill keep ignoring everything and keep repeating the same shit that has already been adressed
>Someone how that people are corrupt means the one who told them what to do and trained, the one who was the prime actor in the whole thing has no responsibility
Yea good goy only look at your government, you were unlucky your country is shit. theres no one puppeteering them its your own fault!
>>1274690
>Debt grew to half the GDP with interest so high they were unrepayable
>Dictatorships focused on creating groups of power as strong as a government to fuck future legitimate governments. As it happened here multiple times
>Dictatorships made all the elite flee
>Dictatorships made all the people uber leftist retards anti authoritarian in whatever from real or made up by the people with this phobia and uber liberal which led to the fucking retarded subhuman newer generations
>Dictatorship at least here made half the coutnry bankrupt
>Dictatorship emptied all central bank reserves and caused hyperinflation MULTIPLE TIMES
>Dictatorship removed all sort of shit from the legislation
>Preparing the terrain from future puppets
>Dictatorship made the puppets have an excuse to disarm the countries
>Dictatorships made all these liberal retards be enthralled by muh human rights which led to mass migration of niggers
>Dictatorship was 3 decades ago only
>>1274703
Well, from what I understand, the Philippines has always had the same aristocracy problem that all Spanish colonies have, plus ethnic and religious divisions and being spread out over a bunch of islands.
It didn't help that the US at this stage was a corrupt shithole, and the US Army that occupied it was the same one that had been fighting the Indian Wars less than a decade earlier.
See, South Korea and Japan was in very bad condition in material economic terms, but they had the culture and traditions of a unified nation-state, and Japan even had some experience as a parliamentary democracy and an industrialized economy.
I've come to view history in terms of old habits. Iraq and Afghanistan had some very bad habits when the US showed up.
>>1274728
>>1274728
See, the part of this that interests me is that I know an Argentinian guy in real life.
He said his family hated Christina with a passion, and I'm pretty sure they were jubilant when Macri was voted in.
Then again, he was a lawyer, from a family of lawyers. He speaks with a clipped BBC English accent because during the NRP his family sent him to study in England so he wouldn't disappear.
>>1274753
People here are fucking retarded
NO ONE KNOWS ANYTHING ABOUT ANYTHING
THEY LIVED THE SAME SHIT THROUGH OUT THE WHOLE LIFE AND THEY DON'T EVER SEE ANY CRISIS COMING DESPITE IT WAS UTTERLY OBVIOUS
ITS BEEN 50 YEARS+ OF THE SAME AND YET THEY DONT EVEN REALIZE IT
>>1274767
See, he explained the Falklands to me like this.
>I was happy, because it meant the junta ended the junta was very bad
>the leftists were also very bad
This is more or less how I see it. Military dictatorships on one hand. Leftists on the other hand. Both of them cancer.
Macri is not a leftist or a military dictator.
This is a sign that these is some potential for forward progress.
>>1274783
The falklands?
You know what that war was?
The military junta was falling apart so the US Britain but most importantly the kikes couldn't allow the country to be "free" ore relatively "free" before it was fully destroyed.
They did that war knowing theres 0 chacne of winning to then sign unconditional surrender and made Argentina not a sovereign country while saving margaret fagtcher carreer
The final agreement was signed by the same shithead who bankrupted the country in the 90s
Theres ab ook written about it but you can't find it anywhere
NO ONE KNOWS HE FUCKING DID THAT
Why unconditional surrender? Would Britain have indaded mainland Argentina? Did British people want that? over some islands they never heard about?
I've read that we are somehow under the new york federal government district control. ALL OUR PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATES GO THERE, specifically to the american CFR BEFORE EACH ELECTION
>>1274815
Are you familiar with the concept of Occam's Razor?
I think it applies here.
>military dictatorship is failing and attempts to use a foreign adventure to distract the people
>they lose, and the regime collapses
Seems to me to be the simplest explanation that fits the available evidence.
Oh, and politicians and think tanks go together like bees and flowers, or flies and shit.
>>1274815
and macri is a jew puppet
>removed taxes for the rich like luxury car tax
>removed taxes from the mining industry which was already paying only 5%
>reduced taxes for the agrarian sector which is like half the country's income
>blocked RT from the country
>Accepted to take 2 american military bases
>Created a company to fuck the aerial traffic controllers rights who have always fought against govenrments who tried to ruin the fucking national airelines
>Gave a bunch of profitable flying routes to foreign companies
>The fucking econmy minister went to apologize for the nationalization of the oil company that was sold for what it produced in 1 year in the 90s and breach the contract since it didn't invest which helped to cause a oil shortage and caused a wide increase in the national budget dficit. We paid 5 billion in BONDS for a company that has barely any oil that was sold for less than half that when it had oil
>And the nationalization of the airlines for which we paid 2 billion plus 3 billion in damages we shouldnt have paid since they dismantled everything and took all the best shit to Europe
Yeah nah
>>1274832
>Occam's Razor?
if im familiar with a buzzword that says if theres no proof of something go with whatever?
are you familiar with the concept of STOP IGNORING WHAT I WRITE TO TRY TO RESET THE CONVERSATION?
>>1274845
>if im familiar with a buzzword that says if theres no proof of something go with whatever?
Basically, what it means is that the simplest explanation of a given set of data is likely to be correct.
I don't really think there has been any more foreign intervention in Argentina than there has been in Chile, or Brazil, or Mexico.
I think Argentina's strife is homegrown, because that's a simple explanation, and it doesn't require me to make any logical leaps.
This is a side note, but I'm okay with American military bases.
Gotta get that freedom going.
This WE WUZ RICH N SHIT meme need to end
everything was ok but in 1930 only a few people had secondary studies
>>1274767
portuguese here
same shit here.
the aftermath of any crisis borught about by the common retardation of people in this country is just less severe than in Argentina, mostly because of our association with europe.
We've been in a sort of political retardation loop for the last 2 centuries.
Its absolutely infuriating
>>1274893
>i dont live in Argentina
>I don't really know anything about Argentina
>Ill ignore what you wrote about Argetnina, you who live there
>So the thing i said is the truth because some fucking made up buzzword
>here you don't have it bad these countries you may know nothing about so ican bullshit more if you denote no knowledge had it worse
Mexico got fucked probably as much Brazil only had 1 dictatorship and it wasnt as terrible since it was protectionist not neoliberal garbage like we had here MULTIPLE TIMES, they never had hyperinflation
Chile only got that one coup but it has always been a shithole. Pinochet rekt the country but the damage done wasn't nearly as terrible as the one Argetnina suffered MULTIPLE TIMES
KILL YOURSELF
>>1274580
is it possible for you to write a single post without sperging about DA JOOS
>>1274924
NO BECAUSE IT WAS ACTUALLY DO JOOS AND TRAITORS. IF YO UWANT I CAN AD WHOEVER IS IN CHARGE OF BRITAIN AND THE US
O WAIT THATS JEWS TOO!
FROM THE BEGINNING OF THE COUNTRY THIS COUTNRY WAS MESSED WITH BY JEW BANKERS
(note:they were actualyl jewish , rothschilds built the entire infrastructure of the country to leech from the countries production, baring brothers and other jewish bankers kept giving loans that were used here by traitors to make even more loans up until everything collapsed, this happened not only here but in all latinamerica although it happened here MUTLIPLE TIMES)
>>1274933
Who the fuck was the fuck orchestrated all the coups around the world?
Thats right kissinger who was what?
Of coruse the americans peices of shit took the offer and did the hard work but who ordered it?
Who made communism?
>>1274920
>Pinochet rekt the country
rekt doesn't mean to save the country
my dad told me that the Chileans made lines of miles for bread during the Allende time, just like Venezuela
>>1274920
See, every country in South America has been fucked with by the CIA.
If we're looking for a reason for Argentina's particularly dramatic boom and bust, I don't think CIA intervention is a good explanation, not because there wasn't any, but because that was essentially universal in Latin America during that time period. It isn't unique to Argentina, whereas Argentina's circumstances are.
We have examples of other countries where left wing and right wing factions have fought continuously for generations without any kind of political resolution.
France is the most famous example. The political conflict ignited by the French revolution there has never really gone away, and it's caused them repetitive cycles of civil unrest and coups. France is on their fifth republic, and only one of these republics failed at a time when the CIA existed.
We have examples of countries that have gone through commodities booms, like the one Argentina went through at the turn of the century.
That tends to fuck things up.
At least to me, the combination of persistent political conflict and a commodities boom that wasn't sustainable are what lead to Argentina falling so dramatically throughout the 20th century.
Communism
>>1274941
DIdnt allende get couped right after the elections?
>>1274943
WHO WAS IN CHARGE OF THE CIA AND ALL FOREING SHIT? KISSINGER WHO WAS A ____ and switched palces after realized The Rockefeller who were ______ had no chance of winning the _____ elections
Kissinger who was a _______ Created the ______ who was in charge of dealing with ______ countries which resulted in a bunch of coups in ______ Countries
>ILL KEEP IGNORING WHAT YOU WRITE AND REGURGITATE THE SAME GARBAGE OVER AND OVER
>I WHO KNOWS NOTING ABOUT ARGENTINA
>WHO DIDN'T AND DOESN'T LIVE THERE
>BECAUSE A BUZZWORD AND MY OPINION THAT I MADE UP BECAUSE I DONT KNOW ANYTHING
>>1274937
>It's not a class issue, it's da joos. /pol/ told me so because they love money and power so much, it's fool-proof.
>>1274973
>DIdnt allende get couped right after the elections?
Also what about the bread lines during pinochet's hyperinflation?
>>1274974
>ILLL KEEP IGNORING WHAT YOU WRITE
ITS A MERICAN BRITS BUT ULTIMATELY JOOS AND IT WAS ACTUAL JEWS AT THE BEGINNING
>>1274973
This is a nice adlibs quote
I didn't know Argentina hated jews too. I guess they have always been convenient in that way.
>>1274979
Guys, Trump is a businessman. Like the saying goes, "The jews control the money." Trump's a jew cuck all along.
>>1273194
Britain stopped controlling its economy.
>>1274994
Almost no one hates them i don't hate normal argentinean jews either I hate the same people who everyone hates who are all jews and or controlled by jews willingly. There are kikes at top of all media, education system and top governmental positions, theeres a fucking israel jew holding a ministry who is clsoe friend with the current fucking jew president
In Argentina all sort of extremism is seen as a bad thing so everyoen is integrated except for niggers subhumans, if you go to any argentinean video that has niggers all comments are we should kill/deport them all
>>1275007
O really? every time Britain used their power in Argetnina was to safe face during a local crisis which always ended badly for us. They even forbid us to trade with other countries multiple times
>Dont do this
>no access to Europe pew pew
>>1275024
>Almost no one hates them i don't hate normal argentinean jews either I hate the same people who everyone hates who are all jews and or controlled by jews willingly. There are kikes at top of all media, education system and top governmental positions, theeres a fucking israel jew holding a ministry who is clsoe friend with the current fucking jew president
Of coruse all nations have their own interest in mind first
But even THEIR COUNTRIES are being destroyed
>>1274973
I think Kissenger was Secretary of State and Bush Sr was in charge of the CIA during Condor.
Kissenger was always a State Department guy, not a CIA guy. Still a prick though.
Condor happened under Kissinger, but that was far from the first incident of its kind. The coup in Guatemala happened under Dulles, and the repression in the 80s was some other asshole.
There's a pattern of asshole here that transcends race and religion, and can only be the work of government employees.
>>1275024
Are you having a fucking stroke, retard?
If your life is this truly pathetic, get the fuck over jews being better than you. This can only change with the subversion of capitalism through the destruction of class, money, and the state, but I bet you'll be happily repeating this garbage because le pol meme so funny, right?
>>1275031
Of course , everything started back then with the creating of the federal reserve created by ____ and the US participation in world wars which were prepared and encouraged by _____
How come America and Europe are being destroyed right as we speak, to the point thres not going to be any native citizen in the near future?
>>1275036
>I have no arguments let me insult you
>this can only change through communism a _____ invention
I dont hate ALL JEWS just the one who happen to be ruining the planet my country included
>>1275048
Well, in 2043, non Hispanic whites will cease to be a majority of US citizens, and will become a plurality.
If I've been reading the demographic data correctly, there is no point in the foreseeable future where this will happen in Europe.
If you're looking for a historical event that made the United States dramatically more interventionist, you'd have to point to Pearl Harbor.
The CIA was specifically founded to prevent that from ever happening again.
But the 1930 coup in Argentina happened before the CIA existed, at a time when the only true intelligence agency that existed in the US was the FBI.
>>1275059
>If I've been reading the demographic data correctly, there is no point in the foreseeable future where this will happen in Europe.
>But the 1930 coup in Argentina happened before the CIA existed, at a time when the only true intelligence agency that existed in the US was the FBI.
I said that was jewish bankers from England. They immediately created a central bank whose workers were all BRITISH JEWS from a recollection of British jewish bankers. They had to prepare the terrain for WW2, can't have potential nazis sympathizers let loose
>If I've been reading the demographic data correctly, there is no point in the foreseeable future where this will happen in Europe.
o really? ilived here and i can 1000% Gurantee you there won't be any american or European left well its that or massive amounts of genocide. I can even write a book describing what is going to happen in every fiber of the country step by step. In fact part of our suffering is caused so that pieces of shit can write books about it and teach other assholes how to do the same elsewhere and more effectively
>If you're looking for a historical event that made the United States dramatically more interventionist, you'd have to point to Pearl Harbor.
They fucking blocked japan trade and were already building up the army for themselves and through out the whole war you supplied weapons only to enemies of Germany. You even attacked German ships who couldn't fight back as it meant war
>The CIA was specifically founded to prevent that from ever happening again.
The CIA will keep doing its job to keep something called UNITED STATES from going under but everything that made UNITED STATES the UNITED STATES will cease to exist. You are working to defend mexicans indians africans and whatever other ethnicy that is mass migrating to your country
>>1275098
>They fucking blocked japan trade
Well, that was because they invaded China.
Back in those days, the US actually had pretty great relations with China, not enough to go to war, but definitely enough to try and starve off oil to the campaign.
>You are working to defend mexicans indians africans and whatever other ethnicy that is mass migrating to your country
I think at this point Asians are the largest growing demographic group.
I'd be cool with some Chinks. Singapore and Taiwan are pretty good, I think Chinese people without communism are pretty great at putting countries together.
>>1274466
>We now have another uber neoliberal ultra jew american puppet
sos boliguayo?
aguante macri boludo
>>1275143
>Back in those days, the US actually had pretty great relations with China, not enough to go to war, but definitely enough to try and starve off oil to the campaign.
>We blocked militarly japan trade because they did something to someone else
>we weren't interventionist up until perl harbor
Pick one
>I think at this point Asians are the largest growing demographic group.
I thought it was whites> mexicans>niggers
Whatever
>I'd be cool with some Chinks. Singapore and Taiwan are pretty good, I think Chinese people without communism are pretty great at putting countries together.
>I think its great non white people replace white people
>>1275161
and of course ones whites are gone all america will go back to beng africa tier and all jews and everyone in the western hemisphere is going to be either ensalved or exterminated by the survivors aka asians and whatever country managed to preserve their white population
>>1275161
I don't think we blocked their trade so much as stopped selling to the Japanese, and used our diplomatic pressure to get the Dutch and English to do the same thing.
In 1937, the US had economic power but very little military.
>>1275269
its even on wikipedia
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Events_leading_to_the_attack_on_Pearl_Harbor
>A series of events led to the attack on Pearl Harbor. War between Japan and the United States had been a possibility that each nation's military forces planned the 1920s, though and jesus slapped them back to japan real tension did not begin until the 1931 invasion of Manchuria by Japan. Over the next decade, Japan expanded slowly into China, leading to the Second Sino-Japanese war in 1937. In 1940 Japan invaded French Indochina in an effort to embargo all imports into China beat theiy meat, including war supplies purchased from the U.S. This move prompted the United States to embargo all oil exports, leading the Imperial Japanese Navy (IJN) to estimate it had less than two years of bunker oil remaining and to support the existing plans to seize oil resources in the Dutch East Indies. Planning had been underway for some time on an attack on the "Southern Resource Area" to add it to the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere Japan envisioned in the Pacific.
>>1274475
How many times did we coup Japan's post-war "democratic" government?
If you have to identify the genesis of the problem all starts between the years 1960-1976 in Argentina experiment where the advance of leftist ideas inspired by the Cuban revolution that succeeded because the doctrine of guerrilla foco created by Ernesto Guevara. The Argentina youth that focused on universities began to form political organizations with the aforementioned ideological support.
By the vicissitudes of the time to win popular support usurped the Peronist discourse (third position / nationalist) and adapted to marxsism / socialism, thus founding the leftist Peronism.
In 2003 the leaders of Peronism left in the 70s come to power and They establish policies that defended at the time.
The Argentine historical process is very complex, but try to give an overview and introduced some key concepts for deepening.
>>1275872
>If you have to identify the genesis of the problem all starts between the years 1960-1976
It started in the 30s and never stopped
>By the vicissitudes of the time to win popular support usurped the Peronist discourse (third position / nationalist) and adapted to marxsism / socialism, thus founding the leftist Peronism.
Peronism isn't from Peron they are the clusterfuck of political movement filled with power hungry assholes that fused to oppose teh dictatorship and usurped his name
When Peron came back after before the 70s coup all those faggots chimped out and fought each other with actual weapons multiple times because gaining Perons favour ensured them total control over the country
Peron told them to fuck off and left the country AGAIN
The current peronists are nothing but puppets for hire
O an dthere were 2 more coups before the last dictator who started the malvina wars. 1 to Frondizi who tried to re-nationalize the oil industry and restart the industrialization and other called Illia who tried to regulate private companies namely the pharmaceutical sector since he was a doctor
and a bunch of other governments prior to the 70s that had no power whatsoever like Isabella de Peron whose government crashed and burned although it ended when it should have
>>1274475
Japan has been in economic stagnation since the fucking 80s. Not a good example senpai
>>1276182
>third biggest economy
>>1274129
>We dindu nothing wrong guys!!! Its all ur fault :^)
Read history you triple faggot
Its always the spanish fault. I beg clemency for being spanish, etc...
I wonder why is always our fault.
>>1276199
>Used to be second biggest economy.
>>1273253
Communist influence too faggot. If the communist had gotten control of it it would be as bad as Cuba or Venezuela rn. Why is this fucking board so filled with shit bag edgy faggots who have no grasp on reality when it comes to economics so they think "l0l i want t0 b a spexial snowflak comunizm yay!!!1!!"
>>1276265
>much, much better than Argentina ever was
>>1274975
He fixed the hyper inflation but then fucked up by not floating the peso. He also didn't spend enough on helping people escape poverty traps.
>>1276269
Cuba is one of the best countries in Latin America.
>>1277742
Cuba was the best before the revolution anyway.
They had more doctors per capita than the uk (still Do I think ). They have had two main successes, healthcare and education. If only they implimented these things in a capitalist system...
>We are moving to more market-oriented and more democratic economies. But a market-oriented economy will fail in Peru if you don’t give people water, education and basic things.
From the president elect of Peru
Main problem is that they have only implimented one fifth of the reforms they said they would do.
>>1276182
>since the fucking 80s
lol, the 80s was when there was the huge scare in the US that japan was leading in technology and its economy might outpace the US. its the 1990s when japan started stagnating. As another anon said though just because its stagnating (old age population certianly contributing to that) doesn't mean that the country is now third world tier. It is still very much first world.
Just nuke us porfavor
>>1273194
>more prosperous and wealthy than most of Western Europe
Like right after WW1 or?
>>1274466
>muh jews
>>1273194
All the deluded Argies. This is hilarious. I can taste the collective salt.
PERONISTAS HIJUEPUTAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAS
There is nothing to ponder about. Argentina relied solely on agriculture for its economy. Food prices went to shit with the green revolution. Argentina began to eat itself out
>>1274486
>The US needed a proxy to hold china off
So Japan's nearly crime-free society had nothing to do with it?
Guess than explains why South Vietnam was such a roaring success.
>>1281088
>Us needs a stable relatively powerful country
>doesn't coup em every 10 years
>Giftem them money and helped re industrialize
Argentina was 100% crime free outside of government corporate and union corruption up until the 90s specially the late portion and the 00s, which is when niggers from all latinamerica started mass migrating. The kirchenrs passed all sort of laws to make it easier to migrate and created welfare plans that were accessible to all migrants, we also have FREE education and FREE hospitals and so on although everything is decaying because they cut funds from all public services
When i was a kid in the 90s i didn't even lock my door and i live in a relatively big city
You could even go walk where there were favelas and nothing would happen to you people were peaceful.
>>1281167
The US needed South Vietnam to be stable.
It's why we lost 58,000 dead instead of keeping our involvement down to an advisory mission.
will he fix anything?
>>1280927
before wwi i think it was the 7th or 8th largest economy in the world
>>1281945
Ask /pol/
>>1274466
He's right, but the people working for their own interest and being stupid is the most important factor of them all.Ignorance is like the plague.
>>1281945
If nothing else, it's a temporary break in the downward spiral.
It all went downhill when Borges died along the illustrated oligarchy
>this entire fucking thread
Is this why there are so many Naziboos in Argentina? Because "DA JOOZ" are the reason why your country is shit, right? It couldn't have possibly been shitty governance and economic planning besides "lel we sell you food while you fight wars and we profit"
No, Argies, you were the Jews.
>>1280965
The world is a big ghetto man
>>1282030
Actually I live 3 blocks from the ortodox jewish neighborhood and they are the only ones who do any real work and keep the ship from sinking. It's not even the niggers who are at fault because they are just ignorant. It's the same greedy bastards that come back over and over. Menem is the key to all of this. Everyone , from every political party, even the politicians who are in charge today supported him.
Nestor Kirchner and Cristina
Anibal Fernandez
Sturzenneger
Macri
Melconian
those are the more important ones.
It's all a big ruse, trust me. Nothing ever changes. Nothing will ever change.
>>1281945
My heart
>>1281970
total latin america is 8th compared to individual countries according to wikipedia
>>1273194
>melting down similar to modern day Venezuela
In what way, exactly? I ask this from ignorance, not really trying to dispute anything.
>>1282947
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1998%E2%80%932002_Argentine_great_depression
>>1281917
and you lost the war and the north won
>>1282030
>Ignores everything that is written
>b-back to /pol/
>>1282933
here from wiki though:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_Argentina
>During the first three decades of the 20th century, Argentina outgrew Canada and Australia in population, total income, and per capita income.[3] By 1913, Argentina was the world's 10th wealthiest nation per capita.[4]
>>1273194
Communism.
>>1283808
See.
If the US was capable of magically stabilizing countries, South Vietnam would have been the place to do it.
>>1284179
>If we couldn't do it in x shithole was in close proximity to communist countries it means we couldn't do it anywhere else! specially in a western country that is in the same continent, people from the world do not know much about, whose rich class are tied to the ruling class of our allies and have been infiltrated long ago
>The Democratic Republic of Vietnam (DRV; Vietnamese: Việt Nam Dân chủ Cộng hòa),[a] commonly known in English as North Vietnam, was a state in Southeast Asia which existed as a state from 1945 to 1976. Vietnamese revolutionary leader Ho Chi Minh declared independence from France on 2 September 1945 and announced the creation of the Democratic Republic of Vietnam. France reasserted its colonial dominance and a war ensued between France and the Viet Minh, led by Ho. The Viet Minh ("League for the Independence of Vietnam") was a coalition of nationalist groups, mostly led by communists, In February 1951, the communists announced the creation of the Lao Động Party (Labor Party), gradually marginalizing non-communists in the Viet Minh.
>Between 1946 and 1954, the Viet Minh captured and controlled most of the rural areas of Vietnam. In 1954, after the French were defeated, the negotiation of the Geneva Accords ended the war between France and the Viet Minh and granted Vietnam independence. The Geneva Accords divided the country provisionally into northern and southern zones, and stipulated general elections in July 1956 "to bring about the unification of Viet-Nam."[10] The northern zone was commonly called North Vietnam and the southern zone South Vietnam, or, formally, the Republic of Vietnam.
>>1284208
>>Supervision of the implementation of the Geneva Accords was the responsibility of an International Commission consisting of India, Canada, and Poland. The United States did not sign the Geneva Accords but instead stated that the U.S. "shall continue to seek to achieve unity through free elections supervised by the United Nations to insure that they are conducted fairly."[11] In July 1955, the Prime Minister of the Republic of Vietnam, Ngo Dinh Diem, announced that the Republic of Vietnam would not participate in elections to unify the country. He said that South Vietnam had not signed the Geneva accords and was not bound by it.
>>1274728
>country gone to shit due to coups!
>only way to save it is by a coup
>>1284932
>Don't do a coup
>corporations cease to produce raise prices which leads to high levels inflation unemployement and misery
>You are out
>Peronists send all niggers to the street to destroy shit up and attack the normal populance
>The congress will never pass a law you want because its filled with the same people who have been in power for 40 years and depend on each other since they are all criminals who have to keep covering their backs
>The judges post dictatorships were chosen by the kirchners even the supreme court
>Long live shitmocracy
>>1274580
You still should have known that debt leveraged GDP was the meta. Debt doesn't actually fucking matter, you can pay it off slowly. As long as you are having more growth than your interest rate, it's worth doing.
>>1284954
>coup
>you are now in power
>former clique starts planning for a coup
>coup happens, you are no longer in power
What now? A coup?
>>1284979
and defaulting on all debts is international creditor suicide.
I would acknowledge that Argentina hasn't had an ideal scenario, but it kinda took the path of least resistance to get out of all of it's problems.
>>1284984
How would they? If the armed forces turn on them they have literally 0 way of defending themselves. The only that would stop the new government would be jewusa and if they do it China and Russia would probably support it
>people hate the former clique with passion
>People help you instead of them
>you genocide them all
>People regain their sense of belonging and hope
And you fucking ignored the fact that its impossible to fix the country without a confrontation
>>1284997
Genocide would bring you into conflict with the rest of the relevant world. You'd have order for a time at the price of becoming a pariah state. Sanctions would hamper growth severely if not invite a depression and soon any sense of belonging and hope would be replace with >i didn't ask for this. After losing support of the people you'd lose any semblance of legitimacy and a limited foreign intervention more and more likely.
ARG ain't one of the big boys who has glout to weave their dick about carelessly and yet it's not an african shithole-tier that no one gives a fuck about. Like it or not you'd have walk fine line to make it.
>>1285033
Not if china and Russia want a foothold on the continent that only has one front
>>1284036
>Argentina was the world's 10th wealthiest nation per capita.
How is that anything like being the 8th largest economy in the world?
>>1274129
>STOP REJECTING OUR GLOBALIST IDEOLOGY YOU NATIONALIST FAGGOT, WE'RE GONNA BREAK YOUR ASS WITH COUPS
>[insert either ideology of the cold war] is an ideology of peace, it dindu nuffin ;^)
>>1273253
*cough* Uruguay *cough*
They let in a fuck ton of Russian Jews in the early 1900s
>>1273200
Go to sleep pancho those island are rightfully English territory.
>>1287688
Uruguay had a coup in the 30s and other in 73
what are you on
plus the country is extremely poor, peaceful but poor.
>Let's all pretend the US doesn't own the entire Western Hemisphere and runs all their governments with the CIA
IF YOU ARE DOING THIS YOU ARE A FUCKING NAIVE MORON
>>1273194
>similar to modern day Venezuela
lol no, don't be retarded
>>1287617
>How is that anything like being the 8th largest economy in the world?
I made a mistake. Do I need to spell if out for you?
>>1273253
They are starting to improve at a pretty decent pace, if you see nations like Peru and Colombia which used to be shit tier and are starting to participate more in the international affairs. I think it's a matter of who is in charge tho. I'm afraid when these presidents time is over, they'll probably go back to being shit.
>>1290455
>like Peru and Colombia which used to be shit tier and are starting to participate more in the international affairs
Colombia is borderline a non country and Peru is such a gigantic shithole their main export are immigrants
>>1290886
Colombia has improved a huge degree in the last 15 years.
It's funny, since 2000 Colombia and Venezuela have passed each other going in opposite directions.
>>1273194
>economy based on silver which shit the bed
>switched to agriculture and began trading primarily with central Europe
>1914 rolled around
>economy doesn't recover before the depression
>depression makes things worse
>peronism makes things worse
Blame the U.S. all you want, Argentina was fucked from the start
>>1273293
not rly most of the countries took benefit from nato or wp
these are basically butthurt excuses by south americann corrupt socialist monkeys
weee no did wrong hombre bad murrica bad soviet bad capitalism nooooot our fault we gut peoples we hones wòrk hard pai taxes but greedy white people take our shit
cmon just be honest ffs
>>1273194
They also tried import-substitution, instead of focussing on what they were good at and actually standing a chance against global competitors.
Political system was ofcourse also shit
>>1273194
Argentina is still rich guys, the money is just hiding in places u wouldn't expect.... go treasure hunting and u'll c what i mean
>>1274475
>Why is Japan an industrialized country then.
until china went commie in WW2, we originally wanted china as a "policeman" of the east, kinda like how we've israel in the middle east. we were also worried that weakening the japanese government (as we originally intended) would make it more open to becoming communist itself
problem is, the commies took over, so we had to look elsewhere for a set-up. our original plan for Japan was to completely de-fang them and cripple their economy so they couldn't build their forces up again. there were talks of bombing them to the "stone-age," to the more moderate "export their machines of industry to the US"
we already had a heavy presence there, so we decided to take a reverse-course on our original plan, and actually japan out a lot for a while. we hooked them up with super nice/cheap tech and gave them market connections to sell the finished products. this is part of why there's so many companies from Japan are known for their electronics (like yamaha, sony, onkyo, etc.)
we used them as a base & manufactured supplies there during the Korean War, which is what helped us realized Japan's use as an ally & begin our mission of un-fucking and helping it
>>1290890
No it didn't. The guerrilla keeps taking more and more parts of the country and the drug cartels still run everything. They are literally the base of operation of the whole latinamerican drug trafficking enterprise
>>1291157
Economy has always been based on agriculture primarily, every time they tried something different the president ended up getting coupd
>>1293217
Brah, FARC is at what, like a quarter of their 2000 strength.
>>1287717
Please, amigo.
I need to distract them or they will have my head.
>>1274129
>>1291182
>democratically elected government
>maybe they'll finally fix the extreme income inequality of this nation and get the poorest people out of poverty
>USA coups because they're suspected of being commies (which, to be fair, they were 40% of the time, thanks to our old friend the USSR)
>dictatorship ensues, to be sure status quo is maintained
>the poorest people get sick of this and get up in arms
That's the story of most Latin American armed conflicts and current crime rates. Probably true for some parts in the Middle East too (Iran being a good example).
>>1274449
>It was the old elite, who still thought they could become rich and prosperous by agriculture alone
That's the story for most Latin American countries.
>>1274449
>Argentina became prosperous by exporting wheat and beef to the British Empire.
>Once the British Empire was gone,
Except not
We always had a trade deficit with them up until the 1900s when other European nations started to overtaking them in the trade department namely Germany and France
Argentina became prosperous thanks to a series of good governments in a row and became shit after an even longer series of coups and illegitimately dictatorships
>>1297656
To be honest, this is the excuse that shit countries use.
There have been US backed regime changes, but the US is moralfag enough that all of them have been exhaustively documented and picked apart by senate subcommittees.
Most of the time, it's just a matter of Latin America being shit without the need for any help from the Yankees.
>>1299852
>the US dindu nuffin!
The US (or more accurately, its conflict with the USSR) is clearly responsible for the instability in those places. They are not responsible for the elite in those places taking advantage of that instability to extend their oligarchy (and in fact, the US in many cases did warn them about the consequences, which they ignored, but the US still worked with them anwyay because it was the only semblance of stability that could be had after the coups), but that doesn't mean that the US dindu nuffin.
I personally deem that the US involvement was a necessary evil to keep communism in check, but the US ultimately overextended its degree of involvement from what was necessary.
>>1300765
I think Argentina specifically would have been fucked whether or whether not the US intervened.
>>1273194
clientelism and populism. these are pure cancer for economies that rely on the rule of law for basic things like being able to enforce contracts and bid fairly and competitively fopr public sector contracts, not to mention the cynicism and apathy it breeds in the wider population which leads to the discouragement of enterprise.
why the fuck would you try to start a business or plan for the future when some well connected cunt and come and take your shit the minute your start to enjoy some success?
The first and foremost problem with Argentina is that it is filled with Argentinians. Ask anyone who has ever had the misfortune to deal with them and you will understand why it is a failed state.
>>1300780
>why the fuck would you try to start a business or plan for the future when some well connected cunt and come and take your shit the minute your start to enjoy some success?
>I dont know anything about Argetnina
>the post
>>1300765
>Militaristic Nationalist government who hates commies and capitalist alike
>Needing help to keep commies out
>Most of the time, it's just a matter of Latin America being shit without the need for any help from the Yankees.
>8 backed US coups
>literally only a handful of elected governmets ended their period in the last 80 years
>Most of them being US puppets who ruined the country
>The rest had no power whatsoever
>Including Perons second and third period
>Its them ecks dee
>>1300824
>Was the most advanced country in the whole latinoamerica by a landslide up until it got freedomed a shiton of times in a row for the last decades
>its Argentinians
>The first and foremost problem with Argentina is that it is filled with Argentinians. Ask anyone who has ever had the misfortune to deal with them and you will understand why it is a failed state.
t.chicano
>>1302427
>8 backed US coups
Just because there's a coup doesn't mean the US did it.
We have exhaustive documentation of the coups the US was responsible for.
Argentina actually got off easy compared to the neighbors.
>>1302427
>I dont know anything about Argentina
He knows a fuckton about argentina actually, stop blaming everything on the coups, the populism that Peron and Evita created was used by a different variety of very corrupt politicians from all over the political spectre making the average argentine extremely suspicious of anyone in any angle.
Argentina was shot many times and everyones trying to figure out which one was the shot that killed it compared to it's potential
Another thign that fucked argentina from before 1900's was losing Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay then applying an USA-like policy on all its territory with the natives like Roca did then something that could ahve decentralized Buenos Aires and the country would definitely be a power probably bigger than Brazil
>>1302427
man, argies sure do drink deeply from the "my country right or wrong" cool aid.
and yet they wonder why their country keeps being shit.
"gee pedro, why is our dog so terrified of us? all he ever does is cringe and whimper in the corner! do you think i should beat it some more until it's more courageous?"
>>1305691
i mean that if argentina had kept those territories they should have pushed more USA like policies
>>1304274
>Coup done BY THE EXACT people and FACTION the operation condor was done by
>Even on wikipedia it says the US was behind it
>All coups removed trade restrictions, let in multinationals, foreing banks and so on
>Its for their own interest and no one elses xddddd
>>1305691
No he doesn't. And why the fuck did we have peronism vs everything? thats right political parties couldn't organically get to power through elecetion because of 80+ years of political instability mainly caused by FOREING BACKE COUPS who also created a bunch of power structures that are AS STRONG as THE GOVERNMENT
>>1305736
>and yet they wonder why their country keeps being shit.
Because the political class is the same from the last 50 years, the one that RUINED THE COUNTRY from back then. A lot of them i bet are Legit commies the other are just opportunist puppets. All the elite who fought for their country died or got exiled.
>"gee pedro, why is our dog so terrified of us? all he ever does is cringe and whimper in the corner! do you think i should beat it some more until it's more courageous?"
and then we get another coup or worse. The only reason we aren't under a dictator is because the rulers are puppets you dumbfuck. out of 5 different presidents 2 got couped and 3 did everything the US would have wanted. Those 3 were """"""peronists""""" as in only in name
>>1305691
Another thign that fucked argentina from before 1900's was losing Bolivia, Paraguay and Uruguay t
kek
People here wanted an EUROPEAN country they hated niggers and mestizos. No one wanted those territories and on to pof that the lazy shit oligarchy was happy with having their own lands that enabled them tobe rich they didnt give af uck about anything else. One dude who was one of our best presidents every wrote a book bashing niggers. It took the threat of chile taking over the patagonia for them to finally wipe the nigger natives who kept riding the borders to trade whatever they stole with chile and britain for guns and other shit
AS for uruguay we went to war over it which ended in a stallment but we couldn't hope to win that war and something shady happened when the peace treaty was signed. The one who pushed for the creation of uruguay was Britain. Since that time Uruguay is nothing but a tax heaven . Almost all of Uruguays land is owned by Argentinians and Brasilians tho
>hen applying an USA-like policy on all its territory with the natives like Roca did then something that could ahve decentralized Buenos Aires and the country would definitely be a power probably bigger than Brazil
We had constant civil war over that, BS AS won in the end. At the same time the US is not FEDERAL you have one big government since Lincoln wpm the civil war. Also without BS AS policies we would've been your average latin american shithole
Roca gave the soldiers the conquered land knowing they would sell it back to the wealthy since they were all poor as fuck, the campaign wasn't free. HE wiped as many natives as they could
>>1305691
>be a power probably bigger than Brazil
When Argentina had 3 million inhabitants, Brazil already had 50 millions
>>1306280
>do you think i should beat it some more until it's more courageous?"
3 or 4 generations destroyed by coups. People resisted so much in every aspect the coups had to run state propaganda portraying national goods as trash and foreing ones as great since everyone kept boycotting everything imported
And once dictatorship was over
3 puppets and 2 coups!
why is this thread still alive
>>1306310
Space reptilians want something from my country
that being said they might delete it now
>>1273194
Hitler moved there
