They have it so rough. Why is ISIS so buttblasted about it?
>>1269915
Because their book tells them to be.
>muh Islam
>>1269915
Because the want to make a Caliphate in Mesopotamia
>>1269915
They just do.
This usually happens when fake enemy are created then sit around with nothing to do.
It's a bit like giving kurds guns but telling them not to use them.
>>1269915
>muh crusaders
>>1270654
>Chimp the fuck out at every christian in sight for 400 years
>Christians fight back for a while and then stop.
>Use this as an excuse to chimp out at christians harder than ever before.
Just destroying all before Islam as their fanfiction insists. This is what Europe has to look forward to.
>>1269915
Fucking savages. This problem could be and should be quickly and easily resolved.
>>1270676
Absurd, Crusaders had nothing to do with islamic aggression to europe. It had everything to do with Holy Lands. If they wanted to kick muslims out they would have started with Spain where muslims were divided, or in sicily where they were barely clinging to their holdings
You are really not so smart if you think the average crusader gave a fuck about the tours etc. As most of the attacks did stopped by their time and muslims were on the defensive, with only exception being turks (which alexius called for help, not for holy lands mind you but to fight against turks)
Christians are constantly appealing for sympathy on western news outlets. This further instigates the atmosphere of war mongering in the west and makes it easier to support military intervention.
Of course this is what the string pullers behind radical Muslim groups want together with NATO and the Gulf Arab states but your average jihadist only sees them as another threat. It's also why they destroyed all of those archaeological sites partly to discourage future involvement of foreigners with the area.
>>1270683
What exactly do you propose be nuked?
ISIS don't have any national pride or pride for any sort of culture/heritage their own people had before Islam even existed, whatever that book tells them, they'll do it. That's why they're so dangerous, they'll blow literally anything up without a second thought.
>>1269915
Also the Assyrian leadership has been perceived as being somewhat fickle and this has conjured the ire of the Kurds as well.
https://youtu.be/fKC-UcEFicU
>>1271746
>but your average jihadist only sees them as another threat. It's also why they destroyed all of those archaeological sites partly to discourage future involvement of foreigners with the area.
the opposite actually, they did all these stunts to bait the west into intervening more in the region, Read Management of Savagery if you have the time. Pretty brilliant strategy and they even predict the timeline right.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Management_of_Savagery
>Management of Savagery (Arabic: إدارة التوحش: أخطر مرحلة ستمر بها الأمة, Idārat at-Tawaḥḥuš: Akhṭar marḥalah satamurru bihā l 'ummah),[1] also translated as Administration of Savagery,[1] is a book by the Islamist strategist Abu Bakr Naji, published on the Internet in 2004. It aimed to provide a strategy for al-Qaeda and other extremists whereby they could create a new Islamic caliphate.
>Management of Savagery discusses the need to create and manage nationalist and religious resentment and violence in order to create long-term propaganda opportunities for jihadist groups. Notably, Naji discusses the value of provoking military responses from superpowers in order to recruit and train guerilla fighters and to create martyrs. Naji suggests that a long-lasting strategy of attrition will reveal fundamental weaknesses in the ability of superpowers to defeat committed jihadists
>Management of Savagery argues that carrying out a campaign of constant violent attacks in Muslim states will eventually exhaust their ability and will to enforce their authority, and that as the writ of the state withers away, chaos—or "savagery"—will ensue. Jihadists can take advantage of this savagery to win popular support, or at least acquiescence, by implementing security, providing social services, and imposing Sharia. As these territories increase, they can become the nucleus of a new caliphate.[2][6]
>>1271801
also this is pretty much what happens in iraq and syria with ISIS too btw
>>1271801
Military intervention sure but no more tourism and diminished possibilities for archaeological studies.
>>1269915
Islam kind of has a problem with "polytheists"
Also by the way, Revelation.
>>1271801
this is the pdf of the translated version btw, gives a lot of insight of how isis operates
http://azelin.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/abu-bakr-naji-the-management-of-savagery-the-most-critical-stage-through-which-the-umma-will-pass.pdf
>>1270686
>As most of the attacks did stopped by their time and muslims were on the defensive, with only exception being turks (which alexius called for help, not for holy lands mind you but to fight against turks)
what a load of shit, Arab pirates were a menace to Southern Europe - Aquitaine, Sicily, Southern Italy
I remember reading there were even reports of their being in the Alps
claiming they were on the "defensive" is just as retarded as the generalization that they were constantly, as a monolithic force from the West to the Eastern Mediterranean, on the offensive against "Christendom"
all the way from Al-Andalus' beginning to the Reconquista there was near constant warfare between the remaining Spanish in the North West of the peninsula and the principalities of Al-Andalus
the main cause of the Crusades was the killing of Christian pilgrims travelling to Jerusalem by bandits who the Caliph didn't bother to do anything about despite his talks with the Byzantine Emperor on the matter
>>1271852
>by bandits who the Caliph didn't bother to do anything
>1000's
>Abbasid Caliphate.
>Being able to do ANYTHING.
Dude, the 900's pretty much saw the decline of the Abbasids. They weren't in charge of the Muslim World anymore. Their Caliphate operated into something very similar to the Holy Roman Empire in it's most degenerate form.
Middle east in the 1000's AD was a huge multipolar mess consisting of the Abbasids, the Fatimids in Egypt, and Seljuk Turkics all over the fucking place with their tiny princedoms thanks to the Seljuk invasion. In the center of it all is the Levant, whose cities basically ruled their fuckingselves.
The Muslim World was in turmoil and everyone was fighting everyone to be top doge of Islam. The last thing on their minds would be the safety of pilgrims. It was literal anarchy.
>>1271852
>the killing of Christian pilgrims travelling to Jerusalem by bandits
That's a pretty weak excuse to convince "all" of Europe to invest armies to the cause. Thus why Urban II lied his ass off about muslim barbarism.
Not to say there wasn't some persecution of christians by muslims, but it was a brutal age to be alive, no? It's not as if being a Muslim in Europe was any better.
>>1271875
someone had to protect them, if the person claiming control of those lands couldn't or wouldn't then a third party was necessary for the security of the pilgrims
>That's a pretty weak excuse to convince "all" of Europe to invest armies to the cause.
there was also the incentive to 'free' the Holy Land from Muslim tyranny and bring it under those who followed the message of Christ
>"We have beard, most beloved brethren, and you have heard what we cannot recount without deep sorrow how, with great hurt and dire sufferings our Christian brothers, members in Christ, are scourged, oppressed, and injured in Jerusalem, in Antioch, and the other cities of the East. Your own blood brothers, your companions, your associates (for you are sons of the same Christ and the same Church) are either subjected in their inherited homes to other masters, or are driven from them, or they come as beggars among us; or, which is far worse, they are flogged and exiled as slaves for sale in their own land. Christian blood, redeemed by the blood of Christ, has been shed, and Christian flesh, akin to the flesh of Christ, has been subjected to unspeakable degradation and servitude. Everywhere in those cities there is sorrow, everywhere misery, everywhere groaning (I say it with a sigh). The churches in which divine mysteries were celebrated in olden times are now, to our sorrow, used as stables for the animals of these people! Holy men do not possess those cities; nay, base and bastard Turks hold sway over our brothers.
sounds like a pretty good reasoning by him to me
>Not to say there wasn't some persecution of christians by muslims, but it was a brutal age to be alive, no? It's not as if being a Muslim in Europe was any better.
what is this shitty 21st century tu quoque type of thinking? there were Christians being killed by non-Christians, they didn't need to justify anything beyond that or make excuses like modern Nations have to for the things they do
>>1269915
>They have it so rough. Why is ISIS so buttblasted about it?
Muslims (the poor angry ones anyway) are easily convinced of conspiracy theories so ludicrous they'd make /x/ blush. We may post "muh crusaders" as a joke but you'd be surprised at how committed they are to that line of thinking. They don't call the US or Isreal the "great satan" as a meme, it's honestly what they believe.
>>1271941
ISIS *is* the CIA. Everyone knows this.
>>1271941
I'm not a muslim or anything, but I also believe that the american continent is inherently satanic and that the jews are all demonic agents so...
>>1271950
"Everyone" being a small number of incredibly delusional retards.
>>1269927
No actually. Muslims aren't supposed to persecute "people of the book."
>>1271973
>they didn't know
There's no reason to be embarrassed anon.
