How would one craft a compelling case against wonton sexual acts (especially on the female side) and the occasional consumption of drugs without resorting to "morals" ?
Health
>>1254016
Drugs directly harm your property (your body) while making you lose money, which is also your property.
A woman that sleeps around has a low marriage value because people perceive she cannot settle into the role of motherhood. This means no children. Children are the best shot at preserving a part of your ego and someone to give your propety to when you die.
Start thinking about things egoistically and it actually starts making a lot of sense that you wouldn't destroy your life for a few cheap thrills.
>>1254016
Drugs fuck you up and getting fucked increases your risk for STDs or getting jewed by your sexual partner.
>>1254016
Contraceptives and medicine render most health related problems moot.
The rest of the arguments boil down to nebulous cultural concepts which are at best relative, and at worse, complete bullshit.
>>1254044
This
Appeal to health. She'll be supporting a fetus one day with the same body she's abusing now.
As for indiscriminate sex, it doesn't make them happy. Promiscuity is a vicious cycle. The cure is pregnancy.
>>1254085
Are you legitimately retarded or just trolling?
>>1254092
>The cure is pregnancy.
In general women seem to be far more fufilled with children than a high sex partner count.
>>1254016
Utility maximization and self-interest; you will never attract a wealthy husband if you're a used-up stoner slut.
>>1254097
Of course. Sex is just a means to an end for them. Man is just a means to an end. That end is a child.
>>1254092
What if she doesn't want to ever have a kid
>>1254111
>Has my answer been heard to the question how one cures -- 'redeems' -- a woman? One makes a child for her. The woman has need of children, the man is always only the means: thus spoke Zarathustra.
>>1254119
Then she is an abortive degenerate and not worth anyone's time
>>1254119
Still needs a healthy body. Women thrive or deteriorate on the health of their bodies. The reason so many nice girls become wretched women is because their youth expires and all their reckless indulgences catch up to them.
It is immoral you underage edgelord
>>1254111
Exactly. And if a man wants a child than he needs to make woman think he is worthy. So thing such as having a high paying job, being able to commit yourself to one woman, not having a drug addiction, all signal to the woman that you are a good choice for having children with.
Like wise the woman should do the same if she wants to signal to the man she has any marriage value.
And the reason you would want to have children at all is to extend your dominant by raising a fellow Egoist, someone to continue on after you die and bequeth your property to.
>>1254164
Practical instruction will succeed long before moral imperatives
>>1254119
All women do by default, their instincts are designed to make them want them and once they reach a certain age it really starts to take over. Generally women tend to get self-destructive if they can't fufill it or they just buy a bunch of cats.
>>1254016
Any argument against it is technically moral-based, even appealing to health. Not everyone values health, strangely enough.
I don't see why you'd want to craft an argument that isn't moral-based though. Someone who sleeps around constantly and does drugs is obviously a loser, possibly an addict, with little concern for their future. They're not worth your company then.
>>1254016
Well it is a waste of a good dumpling. Also what would you heal yourself with? Tribal concoctions?
>>1254016
Biology is a good place to start
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/uk-health-leaders-warn-of-untreatable-gonorrhea/
More people having more sex with more partners=greater number of vectors for sexually transmitted diseases to mutate and propigate.
That one's free.
>>1254340
The thing is Stirner (and also Nietzche) acknowledge that not everyone values things the same and there is no absolute truth to it all. But the consiquences are still real.
If you do not value your health than there really is no reason to not take drugs. However you will still have to live with the consequences of having a weaker body. But the will to power dictates that things which are weak die and things that are strong flourish. So at the end of day the choice is: do you want to die or flouish? There isn't a "correct" choice but the people that voluntarily become weaker will be swept away.
>>1254542
The problem with that is, since not everyone values the same things, they might not view the consequences of drugs or getting an STD as being negative. It's not "becoming weak" to them. It's "having fun before I die and rot in the ground for eternity."
So whatever you argue,it's always going to be moral based to an extent. The best you can do is argue that they have shit morals. Drugs harm your body, enough said, you are a fucking irresponsible idiot for liking and doing them.
>>1254699
I did imply that people will view things differently. For some people dying is actually something to strive for.
However by weaken and flouish I mean they in a trasncidient sense. There is no denying that drugs do weaken the physical body. This is the fact of the matter. The subjective part is whether you think having a strong body is desirable.
If someone has decided for them-self that they want to be weak than there really isn't anyway you can convince them otherwise. They might change their mind later when faced with the consequences are they may develop a value system that accepts deterioration.
Words are not magical things that can get people do change any part of their value system. All you can do is show them facts and try to get them to make an emotional connection that gets them to see deterioration of the body as undesirable.
But as I said the reality of the situation does not change based on how they value it. People who weaken themself will contract while people that strengthen themself will expand.
>>1254119
The only women who "don't want kids" are young and delusional or old and bitter. I know a ton of Studip Art/Anthropology/Art History type girls who are totally against having children right now. It's impossible to take them seriously because "not having kids" is such a clear stand-in phrase for hedonism and perpetually keeping a college party mindset well into their 30s. And their classes and pop culture experience (jezebel, tumblr, Broad City, etc.) outright encourage this kind of thinking on ideological grounds, because having kids is part of "the patriarchy" and women should do whatever they want. Of course this is leading to an increase in the number of cat ladies, and even rags like Slate have been running pieces from disillusioned liberated women who wish they'd started a family when they were still biologically able.
>It's not "becoming weak" to them. It's "having fun before I die and rot in the ground for eternity."
That's a very stupid way of seeing life that leads to being miserable.
Not every opinion is worth the same.
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>>1254877
Is Feminist Ethics actually "Charlie Sheen Ethics?
They value the exact same things he does.
>mfw reading this thread as a hedonist
>>1255237
>being a hedonist
>>1255404
>not being a hedonist
As far as sex and drugs, I think it would just come down to personal well-being. Anyone who says that drugs don't negatively impact themselves and others is only trying to justify their actions. Any sort of intoxicant is going to impact your judgement, coordination, and ability to think. Just look at drunk people on YouTube.
Sex and lust can also overpower your judgement. Look at that case in that school where a dozen teen boys gangbanged a (willing but unstable) girl in the bathroom. No one thought "hmm this girl is acting strange" they were too horny.
By having imparted judgement you put your wellbeing at risk.
If I think therefore I am is accurate, than it follows that if my thinking is impaired so is your state of being as a person.
Anal sex can Lead to a prolapsed anus, regular sex with multiple partners creates more opportunity for STDs contraction, plus an unplanned pregnancy can cause psychological harm and economic struggles not only on the mother, but on the child as well.
>>1254164
nice spoogs nerd
>>1254016
i can see a case against drugs
but against sex? the more wanton the more compelling
>>1254016
It is better to eat wonton than do sexual acts on the hapless dumpling.
Having sex with non-virgins is gross
>>1254888
I wouldn't call it feminist ethics but I am certain such feminists exist.
>>Topic
Also I want to add that drugs and excessive sex deplete your reward system or pleasure center - whatever you want to call it. Not all drugs, but for certain drugs you need a higher dose.
Similar thing with sex. Think of people who often watch hardcore porn, some need more and more hardcore stuff to get stimulated.
How lame as it sounds modesty is the key.
I am no expert, not a drug user, but it seems that chewing coca leaves and perhaps drinking coca tea isn't bad. Likely not as pleasurable but better in the longterm.
As for sex, if newness is the stimulating part if it gets old, you'll need something new --> you'll have to constantly do something new in order to get the same pleasure. More sustainable is to slowly but constantly build up sexual energy and release it.
I do not know if it is was true, but I thought the reward system or pleasure center, can recover though.
