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Do any actual historians listen to this guy? Or is his audience just video game playing manchildren who think that history = wars? Is that why he's so popular on this board?
why are you so mad at some guy who can't stop repeating he's not a historian and he does an entertainment show first and foremost?
>>1253827
I'm just curious whether he has any credibility outside of 4chan. I've never heard anyone mention him offline but I've heard actual historians talk about John Green's history videos in a positive way.
>>1253823
It's the latter. Carlin is a joke.
>>1253841
he's semi-famous in the podcasting circles, the history subreddits which have actual historians link to his stuff as well
I actually can't stand John Green, I saw a couple episodes of his history of the world show and it was non-stop bad jokes meme spouting. He'd say a couple words about the Egyptians and then go "ok let me address the ham sandwich for a while XDDD. Oh ham sandwich, y u so dry?"
>>1253841
No credibility outside of 4chan/reddit
Nobody takes him remotely seriously
John Green is a flawed basic introduction but Carlin gives very little to work with
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>>1253905
>Nobody takes him remotely seriously
Then explain this.
He always says he's not a historian and always tries to quote from primary or good secondary sources. You can criticise his style all you want but not much of the substance
>>1254005
>cbs
You already did.
>>1253905
>Green is a flawed introduction
This. His videos will give you a decent basic overview, even though he injects his bias too much for them to be relied on as your sole source. But everything is biased, as any historiographer will tell you. Real historians piece together the truth out of many different biased accounts.
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>>1254108
Then why does Huffington Post call him America's best history teacher?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/dan-carlin-hardcore-history_us_5643b5b5e4b08cda34875511
>>1254091
This, look at all these books he used to prepare his WWI podcasts.
>>1253823
Dan presents history in an easily digestible form for plebs to consume. It's a pretty good gateway if someone is looking to start learning about general history, but it's not designed to be 100 percent accurate and Dan constantly says he isn't a real expert on anything. It's harmless storytelling.
>>1254149
IIRC he's a journalist, so he tries to present historical stories in a journalistic way. It isn't bad if you take it for what it is (informative entertainment) rather than an actual history
>>1254156
>man explicitly, repeatedly states in almost every episode that he isn't a real historian, just a history fan
If someone extremely popular and influential in popular culture repeatedly claims "im not a health expert/medical doctor etc" and repeatedly gives bad medical and health advice, does that make it okay?
We listen to it to get a good laugh.
>>1254141
>Huffington Post
Anon, are you trolling? CBS and Huffington are barely mid-tier news outlets, and don't in any way count as evidence of academic historians giving two shits about his work.
>>1253905
>John Green is a flawed basic introduction but Carlin gives very little to work with
Does Green source well? I know Carlin does, and that seems like a much better introduction. Both give entertainment over hard fact, but at least good sourcing gives people a place to go from.
>>1254184
Green doesn't source at all IIRC. But I can confirm from my knowledge of US and Euro history and watching the videos that he gets the basic facts correct.
How are "The Great Courses"?
>>1254175
Yes.
Stupid people deserve to be unhappy, and creating social mores around the lowest common denominator is how our country got so shit in the first place.
>>1254202
I can't even tell if you are a supporter or opponent of Carlin.
>>1254175
yes
>>1254194
That's a shame.
At least with Youtube it's damn easy to give sources- just throw all the books you used into the description. Getting basic facts right is easy, that doesn't make it a good introduction because it doesn't do anything to give direction and introduce you to the topic.
>>1254183
>Anon, are you trolling?
Are you? Having an academic degree doesn't make you a historian. He knows more about a wide variety of topics on world history than most professional "historians" who have very limited and specialized knowledge on a certain topic.
>>1254183
I must've missed the part where he was trying to get validation by academic historians
>>1254231
I like Carlin, but I'm not going to pretend for a second he's at the caliber of a real historian. As far as I know, he's had no professional training in how to collect and interpret sources beyond undergrad classes, and he's never put anything through the wringer of academic publishing.
He does his best, but he just lacks the training to do it great, and you can tell that there are a lot of personal quirks that he gets hung up on (like repeating certain stories of unknown veracity because they're interesting) that a real historian wouldn't do. He's fine for a listen, but doing infotainment doesn't make you an academic.
>DUDE AMERICAN EXCEPTIONALISM LMAO
>DUDE MONGOLS LMAO
>DUDE ROME LMAO
>DUDE WAR IS AWESOME AND EPIC LMAO
>>1254304
>>DUDE WAR IS AWESOME AND EPIC LMAO
>his most famous series are on how the Eastern Front sucked, how WWI sucked, and how the Mongols were genocidal monsters
>>1254241
Being taken seriously necessarily implies being taken seriously by academia. Or at least by a serious journalistic outfit, not a shitty second rate cable talk show and an internet publication.
>>1254677
this is 2016. There are no serious journalistic outfits
>>1254231
Nice damage control, but if academia doesn't care about his work, then he isn't being taken seriously, and is just an entertainer whose subject matter is history.
>>1254697
Does that mean Stefan Molymeme is just an entertainer whose subject is philosophy?
>>1254697
>and is just an entertainer whose subject matter is history
which is what he says in every fucking episode
>"Hardcore" history
Has anyone done a porn parody yet?
>>1254861
Gay porn with Ben when?
>>1255018
>I would hope nobody actually takes him seriously, he's a whackjob.
Not an argument.
>>1255078
Quod Erat Demonstrandum
>>1255096
Not that anon, but it's an incomplete argument at the least.
>>1254314
And yet all he ever talks about are wars and battles. Never any discussion of economics, culture, or politics (unless they relate to war).
>>1254175
yes it fucking does
>>1253823
Don't listen to all these autistic /his/torians spouting board maymays OP
Dan Carlin isn't a professional by any means but he states his sources and uses a lot of quotes. His podcasts are fun and exciting. if you want to get interested in a certain subject, listen to one of them. It will probably whet you appetite and get you motivated to do more heavy reading into that particular area.
Just don't take everything he says at face value. Read after you listen.
>>1255475
>podcast is titled "hardcore history"
>be surprised when it concentrates on intense moments from history without as much thought for the context around them
One day, we'll be able to spot autism in the womb and abort the little fuckers, and chan style imageboards will be about a million times better.
>>1254201
Good.
Expensive though.
>>1256063
You can abort yourself at anytime, sport.
>>1254194
Actually Green does source sometimes. He sometimes bases entire videos around a given book or author on a particular subject. His video on money comes to mind.
Dan Carlin has a BA in History so he is qualified to podcast about it.
>>1253856
You're a joke.
>>1253823
>Do any actual historians listen to this guy?
No.
>>1254213
Yes
>>1253823
Here's a secret
Nobody takes anyone seriously, ever.
You can be an actual academic who has studied a subject your whole life.
Nobody will read you except those following in your footsteps.
You can be an extremely popular broadcaster with basic introductory knowledge just trying to tell a good story.
Nobody will take you seriously, still.
Some are always trying to discredit and downplay everyone else, and some are deeply concerned about the validity of everything. They will never take anything seriously because they are worried it lacks credibility.
Others just don't give a shit. And they don't take anything seriously either.
Nothing is complete. Little is valid. Nothing is good enough to be liked by everyone. Not even Christmas.
>>1255018
>He's perfectly acceptable entertainment, but that's basically it.
>If you listen to a 4 hour podcast about the Münster Rebellion you won't know anything about the subject afterwards because only academic research papers with theses and abstracts can be valid forms of teaching.
C'mon. It's not like he's Zack Snyder's 300 in podcast form, I'd say there's at the very least INTRODUCTORY entertainment value to his podcasts, and he frequently cites authors he's read, and places the listener can turn to if they want to know more.
I don't understand these people who argue about whether Dan is "taken seriously by academics" or whatever. Anyone who thinks that a podcast is going to be a 100% detailed and accurate depiction of whatever he is talking about is ridiculous. They're pieces of entertainment not fucking lectures. People like his work because he presents the information in an engaging way, not because what he presents can be sourced in someone's fucking masters thesis. Anybody who is into history won't simply listen to his podcast without reading up or being knowledgeable of the subject before or after. So I don't really see why it matters that he is listened to by actual historians or not, as far as podcasts go he is pretty top tier and I need something else to keep me interested in history besides dry books and lectures. At the very least he is leagues ahead of John fucking Green as an introduction to history.
>it's the 'war is not important at all you plebs lol I am le Sophisticated Gentlesir who would never lower himself to discuss such pointless topics XD ecenomy and diplomacy ok not war and battles, didnt you know war has never been important ever?' meme
>>1253823
>History=wars
I just got a bachelors in history. That statement is accurate
>>1265119
Is that a werewolf in mid transformation?
>>1254201
Great. Seriously some of the best things you can get. There are some meh ones but generally they are great. They are all actual university professors. Hundreds to pirate on kickass if you don't mind stealing an education.
>>1254304
>Implying America is NOT exceptional
>>1265981
How would you go about finding them on KAT? I searched Great Courses and only turned up a few, so I assume you have to search for specific courses by name.
>>1266256
You've got a lot of territory that's primarily composed of temperate, resource rich regions. That's pretty fucking exceptional.
>>1254706
>Stefan
>philosophy
Dan Carlin is a fine story teller, but listening to "Death Throes of the Republic" after having listened to all of Mike Duncan's History of Rome podcast is jarring and a little cringe-inducing.
Not saying Duncan is some kind of end-all, be-all source for Rome knowledge, but the faults and oversimplifications in Carlin's style become painfully aware when you see his work compared to someone else's work in the same medium.
>>1267012
Yeah cause tariff debates are so exciting.
>>1254005
For a second there I thought it said "Hardcore Historian" and I was dying.
>>1253823
My classics professor said that his Roman was excellent. My prof writes history text books on Rome, so he is pretty serious and critical.
He also enjoyed the mongol one, but admitted he didn't know anything about the Mongols so he couldn't really say whether it was accurate or not.
>>1267877
kek
>>1254231
>He knows more about a wide variety of topics on world history than most professional "historians" who have very limited and specialized knowledge on a certain topic.
>>1254866
>if there is a ben.
So...what are some actually good historian podcasts I can listen to?
>>1255475
He talks about what is interesting to him and makes it available for free. It's not like he's running a history class. He's literally distributing a charity ware podcast. Y'all gotta stop sipping on data haterade
>>1267926
Read a book senpai
>>1267929
I can't at work or while cooking.
>>1267926
I got you.
History of Rome
History of the Crusades from podomatic.
>>1267926
Based Mike's History of Rome and Revolutions.
>>1267964
iTunes has all of the History of Rome, and all of his follow-up Revolutions. Or historyofrome.typepad.com and revolutionspodcast.com
>>1267969
>no iTunes
Any place for an all in one download? I would love to have these on my sd card so I can pop them in my sansa clip.
>>1268003
>>no iTunes
>it takes about 2 minutes to download iTunes, 3 if you need to make a dummy hotmail account, and maybe an hour to download everything (depending on internet speed) and transfer it
>or you just don't be a baby and download from the websites
C'mon, anon. I'll help point you in the right way, but I'm not going to spoonfeed you
>>1268018
Okay never mind. I'll just grab a torrent.
>>1253823
The premise of the question is stupid. Of course a professional historian isn't going to go to Dan Carlin's Hardcore History podcast as a source, except for entertainment in an area he doesn't work professionally in.
However that doesn't mean it's worthless or for video playing manchildren either. History documentaries / podcasts, etc in general are aimed at giving the general public information not as a resource for professionals.
>>1266516
Search by abbreviation actually. And by the parent company The Teaching Company.
TTC gives you the most results. New ones are constantly being added too.
>>1265119
Dan likes war. He sperged out about hoplite tactics for like 40 minutes in the latest one.
As soon as I saw the image I knew this thread would be a circlejerk of unjustified autistic hatred.
I will say this he gives the best damn advertising plugs of any medium I've ever seen. He made me fall in LOVE with ting and squarespace.
My favorite was that one ad he did for Albion swords where he admitted that he was paid in swords to do the ad.
>>1254175
>being dense enough to make a comparison like this
c'mon man
>>1270329
Not an argument.
>>1254201
Amazing. I wish there were more lectures like them.
>>1271432
>tfw it's a Kenneth Harl series
>>1271732
>tfw anon doesn't use a face when he says, 'tfw' and I have no idea what his reaction is
>>1271947
>anime reaction pic
