What could Britain have done in the past to ensure it's survival? What were some of its bigger mistakes or blunders?
>>1237852
joining ww1
>>1237852
It's biggest mistake was not just making peace with the Nazis in 1940 and retaining their empire. The U.S forcing them to dismantle it was always one of the greatest and ironic injustices of the 20th century considering their own imperialist tendencies.
But they did survive.
Their country makes a shitload of money, and it's secure from conquest.
That's all the colonies were intended to do.
>>1237852
Listen to Enoch Powell's warning.
Ignored all the whiny faggots saying empires are bad because muh Hitler.
>>1237852
>What were some of its bigger mistakes or blunders?
Throwing away their early, comprehensive lead in just about every technological field imaginable. and giving it to America, Germany and Japan.
>>1239190
>their early, comprehensive lead in just about every technological field imaginable
Real life is not a 4X game.
>>1237852
Not gotten into such heavy debt where they were forced into a decision to either keep their empire and get forced into bankruptcy or walk away from both. That's probably just about it.
>>1238365
We gave up our colonies before the Suez Crisis even happened. Also
>pay debts or else
>injustice
Lad...
>>1237852
Letting in endless hoards of muslims
If we'd made Germany a constitutional monarchy and then have the Monarchs marry, and turn them into a puppet state and give their colonies to France
Keep balance of power and stay rich because Ruhr
continue to hate the french to the point of allying with germany against them and ruling the world with their saxon brothers
>>1238057
This.
WW1 was the end of British predominance.
>>1240122
The Prussian-Anglo alliance only breaks down because Nicky 2 is all oh I want to suck Slav cock and fuck off Bismarck you were yesterday's adviser
>>1237852
>Gotten rid of the Jewish monarchy
>Dismantle the UK and restore England as a federation of the seven anglo-saxon kingdoms
>Purged the Anglish tongue of all outlandish wordstock
>Bask in the pure anglo-saxon glory free from judeo-norman corruption
Unfortunately this was never done and england is a dead country.
>>1237852
Failure to understand America was not her friend and absolutely loathed her empire.
>>1240497
This
>muh special relationship
>muh Anglophile East Coasters
>>1240166
>Jewish monarchy
Huh?
ITT: /pol/ and shitfront posters have masturbatory fantasies about a nation that they imagine existed in a way it never did, and how the entirety of reality would have to change for it to become what they fantasise about.
>>1238389
>secure from conquest
yet it is being conquered right now
reorganize it's industry from small scale inefficient family businesses to one with larger more capable corporations
In fact, reform industry in general, the inefficieny and the pushing of the wrong kinds of industry is what made britain fall behind germany.
Also be less retarded in India in general
>>1242790
>yet it is being conquered right now
No it isn't you fucking idiotic, paranoid oxygen thief.
It is not being "invaded". it is not being "overrun", or "taken over" or any of the other shit you fucking well come up with you imbecilic cock-juggling wankers.
>>1238365
Among the million things that stupid about this /pol/ meme about Britain losing their empire because of WWII is the fact that Britain's empire was self-financing. In fact, it was only AFTER the war that the British were able to finally throw some resources, financial and military, to their colonial governors.
>>1240166
>Bask in the pure anglo-saxon glory
Mudhuts and illiteracy.
>>1242797
John Green detected
>>1242860
sorry, I dont speak /pol/tardian. could you translate that into English?
>>1242874
Uncontrolled, exponentially growing mass migration is a problem and amounts to artificially changing culture. Even anti-imperialists must agree that it is a bad thing.
>>1242886
American consumerism, not mass migration, is the greatest enemy of British culture. Immigrants could adapt, even in numbers, if only Britain had a serious culture to adapt them to. Britain has been sinking long before mass immigration from the EU.
Alas, such imported culture is infinitely harder to counter than immigration because people - though they don't say it - want it. Whether an innate desire, or just that Yanks beat us at advertising, they want it.
>>1242918
How the fuck is cultural exchange between two protestant Anglophone countries harmful or even surprising?
>>1242943
If you want to protect British culture, turning it into a slightly snobby variant on American culture is hardly the best way to go about it.
If you just want "White anglophone culture" well, here you go. You've got the culture of a 60% white nation that built half it's identity in telling Britain to go fuck itself and practically masturbated to fucking us in Suez. Have fun with that, chuck. Don't forget, if you work hard you too can live the American dream!
>>1242886
>Uncontrolled, exponentially growing mass migration is a problem
OH wow. you really believe that? Where? What "uncontrolled" part? what "exponential"?
And no, pulling them out your frothing imagination doesn't count.
Here you go, here's the tabled, from the Office of National Statistics:
Table 5: Top 5 EU and non-EU nationalities for NINo registrations, YE March 2016.
United Kingdom
EU nationality NINo registrations ... Non-EU nationality .... NINo registrations
Romanian........ 179,000 ......................... Indian ................ 34,000
Polish.............. 109,000 ......................... Australian .......... 14,000
Italian.............. 57,000 ........................... Chinese ............. 13,000
Spanish........... 48,000 ........................... Pakistani ........... 12,000
Bulgarian......... 40,000 ........................... Nigerian ............. 10,000
Wow. a whole 12,000 pakistanis. Strange, we dont hear you screaming in horror at how the Poles, or the Australians are "uncontrolled" and "taking over" though.
could that be because you're a hysterical, paranoid fantasist with no grasp of reality, who's screaming in terror at non-existent bogeymen like the terrifying millions of immigrants that you believe are "taking over"? Why, Yes. Yes, that's exactly right. You ARE are hysterical, paranoid fantasist, you sad, mongoloid.
Get a fucking life, you cunt.
>>1242964
>built half it's identity in telling Britain to go fuck itself
this is not even remotely true. My state is named for Lizzy the first and was a part of Britain for almost as much of its history as it has been in the US. There are remnants of Britain everywhere, Britain is well-liked, and we get just as much of your culture. You're being ridiculous, stop listening to the horseshit my countrymen spout about you on /pol/.
Also, ironically, England was the least Americanized part of Europe I have ever been to. You're complaining about nothing.
>>1242970
You seem angry. I am not fond of economic opportunists arriving here regardless of where they come from. I am also not fond of the economic inequality that causes them to migrate. The only solution is global communism.
>>1242964
Not the guy you're arguing with, but the reality is still that Anglo cultures are considerably more compatible and similar than Anglos are with other cultures despite superficial differences.
Take Canada for example. There's regularly a shitshow between Quebec and anglo Canadians and French Canadians frequently don't get along, despite both having been here for hundreds of years, because of stubborn cultural and linguistic differences. Yet you could have a mass migration of English or Americans and generally things would blend in fine with the Anglos. The only people it would piss off would be the French.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nassau_Agreement#Skybolt
special relationship, tovarisch :^))))))
>b-but you got polaris out of it.
the cancellation and desire to fuck the uk out of an independent deterrent say far more than the belated backtracking.
>>1243019
>You seem angry.
Perhaps I have very little patience for idiots who talk utter fucking bullshit and make hysterical claims about how these terrible immigrants are the end of Civilisation...
You know, just like the Saxons were, when they immigrated here. Or the Normans, when they came over by the shipfull. Or the Hugenots, when they came here fleeing religious persecution. Or the Irish who came over during times of poverty and worked as labourers on the jobs we wouldnt do. Or the Jamaicans who came over after WW2, and so on...
So am I angry? Yes. Because semen-gargling shits like you talk bullshit without any semblance of reality to it, instead revealing yourselves to be the most ignorant and paranoid cunts on the country.
>>1243164
>jobs we wouldnt do.
this argument for immigrants always belays one issue [i'm not getting at irish specifically here, but as an argument for modern immigration]
it always leaves out one key part: these are the jobs we won't do AT THE WAGES OFFERED.
if nobody wants to scrub shit for minimum wage. put up the wage for shit-scrubbers and eventually someone will take on the job. don't fucking import someone to hold down wages instead.
[i'm not against immigration in general, for what it's worth, but this specific argument of "we're snobs :^)" ignores that this argument - often from lefty-types - often belays a hilarious disregard for the dignity of workers.]
>>1243240
> do AT THE WAGES OFFERED.
and this is clearly all the evil immigrants' fault, not the employers screwing over the workers, right?
>>1243249
if the employers couldn't turn to immigrant labour, the option wouldn't exist.
you can't make employers not be cunts, you can take options out of their hands by closing borders. [which again, isn't my preferred option, but attempting to paint natives as snobs on this basis because the migrants are desperate is ridiculous.]
>>1243164
Chill senpai, I am going to vote Corbyn and I am going to vote to remain in the EU. But Islamism is not "just a bit of culture". These people must be forced to assimilate into free society.
>>1237852
You mean the Empire? The British Empire? Because GB is still right there. You could look for their channels in the TV. You could take a flight to the damn place.
Did I miss something? Did the Union dissolve or some shit?
>>1238806
Empires were bad not because of Muh Hitler, but because a lot of European colonies were fucking clamoring/striving for independence even before fucking Hitler you dunce.
Also democracy was getting increasingly popular in said colonies. Since they are non-citizens, colonies should be either made part of the fucking Empire, with its people citizens of said empire. If not then so sorry, independence it fucking is.
>>1243164
>You know, just like the Saxons were, when they immigrated here. Or the Normans, when they came over by the shipfull.
People need to stop this meme of comparing violent conquests that were resisted by the natives to immigration that is facilitated by the state.
The Celts didn't permit the Saxons to come to England, they lost a series of conflicts and were ethnically cleansed.
The Saxons didn't permit the Normans to immigrate to England, they lost a war and were force-assimilated.
It's the same shitty meme that gets applied to America. When liberal cucks make arguments like this what they're really saying is that the state should be mobilizing an army to stop these people, because that's what the Saxons, Celts, Native Americans, Han Chinese, and any other groups that have been subject to forced demographic change have done; They didn't grant Visas and residency permits to their invaders.
>>1243338
>Since they are non-citizens, colonies should be either made part of the fucking Empire, with its people citizens of said empire.
t. caracalla
>>1242918
>Anglophones being influenced by other Anglophones is somehow surprising
The U.S. and UK both have more in common than you realize.
>>1242777
You're not even adressing anyone specific here, nor do you offer up any refutations. Only broad ad hominem attacks at invisible boogeymen. If anything is masturbatory in this thread, it's your incoherent, self-congratulatory post. Waste of good trips.
>>1242777
>tfw I'm OP
>tfw not even from anywhere in the British Isles
>tfw just noticed a trend of british people to get eternally mad at the mention of the fact the UK will be kill in our lifetime
>tfw I was right
>>1237852
Not waging WW1. If they had alinged with germany they could have preserved their empire longer.
>>1242797
>it isn't being taken over
your london mayor begs to differ
>>1243240
Shit scrubbing wages were already boosted by min wage. Any further and you reach stupid lengths. This isn't going some risky as hell trade, this is shit scrubbing.
>>1242970
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_the_United_Kingdom
2 million 660 thousand muslims in 2001, add in a higher birthrate + influx from economic migrants
>>1244245
If people won't do it at minimum wage, you aren't paying enough.
It's a supply and demand problem, and increasing supply hurts domestic workers.
>>1239217
>Real life is not a 4X game.
For fucks sake.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_system_of_manufacturing
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Industrial_Revolution#Germany
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_management
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Production_System
>>1237852
Not exterminating all of the irish
>>1243367
It's more the Normans who were assimilated, but that's because there were hardly any of them. The same goes for every "major" migration until the one we are facing now- Britain has been overwhelmingly anglo-saxon for hundreds of years.
