Top 5 worst events in European history?
In my opinion:
1. Fall of the Roman Empire
2. Premature death of Alexander the Great in 323 BC
3. French Revolution
4. Napoleon losing at Waterloo
5. France and Britain declaring war on Nazi Germany
Honorable mention:
Black death, Spanish Flu, Assassination of Franz Ferdinand
Not quite European, but still dreadful for Europe:
Bolshevik Revolution, Burning of the library at Alexandria
How about you guys?
Everything relating to China after 1800.
Nigga black death and Spanish flu probably killed more people proportionally than WWII. "Honorable mention" my ass.
>>1237210
>4. Napoleon losing at Waterloo
>5. France and Britain declaring war on Nazi Germany
These seem contradictory. Napoleon wanted rule of the elite, NatSoc wanted rule of the volk [plebeians]
>>1237210
>5. France and Britain declaring war on Nazi Germany
Nice maymay m8.
>>1237210
Fall of Constantiople
Fourth Crusade
Black Plague
>>1237231
Not OP, but I think WW2 is worse simply because its man vs man instead of man vs nature.
>>1237210
The French Revolution is one of the greatest events in human history.
Are you a monarchist?
I was trying to come up with an actually good list, and I realised not only it's hard to quantify events in regards of how bad they were, it's also incredibly stupid.
All the events that happened no matter how bad they were, had influence on historical development, and in turn got us to where we are now.
Without black death, there might not be Renaissance and the prosperity that came with it (because the sudden drop in population meant that it was more manageable). Same goes for WWI and WWII, they were incredibly brutal events, but they are the reason that we live in modern peaceful Europe now. And Both were very important in "nation-building" for various smaller nations, that were subdued by larger Empires (before WWI), or organised resistance against the invasion in WWII.
So if I really had to say:
1) The holocaust
2) Holodomor
3) Potato hunger in Ireland
4) Small ice age
5) Pot WWII extra-juridical killings of supposed collaborators.
>>1237250
Given that most of his events are alt-right tier maymays, I'd say yes.
>>1237232
Shows how little you know.
People moved up in the empire through merit.
People had equal protection under the law.
Nazis demanded "pure" blood or you were fucked.
Volk?
Not if you were a Socialist, unionist, Jewish, homo, slavic, should I keep listing?
Nazi Germany was hell.
Revolutionary France was an opportunity to change not just French life, but European life.
>>1237210
>3. French Revolution
More like the greatest event in European history
>>1237210
>Premature death of Alexander the Great in 323 BC
That concerns Asian history
Death of caesar
Augustus becoming emperor
Gaius Marius Stroke(s)
Death of Gracchi
Battle of Cannae
>>1237250
M8 the French Revolution was the beginning of the end for Europe
>>1237235
Europe should have united against the Bolsheivk menace. Instead they fought against one another and ruined their global hegemony.
1204 sack of constantinople
first world war
holocaust
east-west schism
premature death of alexander
>>1237250
Literally slave morality: the uprising
Fuck the French and fuck their revolution
>>1237210
>1. Fall of the Roman Empire
>one event
>>1237210
ill try to be a bit more realistic
1 The black plague (Litterally downing the population of europe by one third or more)
2 World war one. (A giant and useless traumatism that fucked up europe til now)
3 The fall of the western roman empire (Obvious)
4 Napoleon loosing at waterloo (Europe could have been united une one strong empire, napoopan should've won)
5 The fall of constantinople. (Obvious)
Man this monarchist LARPing has really gotten out of hand in this board. Is it just /pol/acks in disguise or some other flavor of retards?
>>1239062
waterloo was far too late. borodino was his last real chance.
1. Battle of Varna
2. Battle of Nicopolis
3. 395
4. 1204
5. Moscow unites Russia instead of Novgorod
>>1239062
Black plague did a lot of good m8. I wish we could have something of similar scale in Europe today.
>>1239053
>Literally slave morality: the uprising
Except exactly the opposite, you fucking idiot?
>>1239152
It was slave morality, ressentiment incarnate. Napoleon was master morality incarnate.
In the end, Judea triumphed again
>>1239065
>this monarchist LARPing
pic related, what starts as funny shitposting ends up actually recruiting impressionable simpletons
>>1237210
>French Revolution
>Napoleon losing at Waterloo
>being upset that the French Revolution happened, but also being upset that a leader who took power only because of the French Revolution lost
wat
>>1237210
You slipped number 5 in there quite neatly and quietly didn't you?
>>1239097
>A lot of good.
what exactly? Appart from emptying rural aeras and scaring europe shitless i fail to see any good side.
>>1239223
>From the perspective of the survivors, however, the impact was much more benign, for their labor was in higher demand. Hilton has argued that those English peasants who survived found their situation to be much improved. For English peasants the fifteenth century was a golden age of prosperity and new opportunities. Land was plentiful, wages high, and serfdom had all but disappeared. A century later, as population growth resumed, the peasants again faced deprivation and famine.[2][3]
>>1237210
You think the French Revolution was a bad thing but that Napoleon was a good thing?
>>1237210
1. WW1
2. WW2
3. WW1
4. Willhem the 2nd
5. WW1
6. Hyper war
>>1237210
>1. Fall of the Roman Empire
Wouldn't "Decline of the Roman Empire" be more appropriate?
>>1237210
1,2, and 4 are right.
3 arguably as well, though it did lead to the world being a better place.
5 is complete memery.
All of your honourable mentions are fair.
>>1239281
So, a single generation was better off, it doesn't translate to it being good in the long run.
>>1237210
i love it when people who live in free countries romanticize fascism
>>1239170
The reason we have alt-right here is basically because of this.
The Assassination of Caesar
The senate condemning Caesar
Start of the roman empire
Dragon Age 2
Black Plague
>>1237257
Holodomor was overall, meaningless in the grand scheme of European history.
>>1240270
>/b/tards say nigger and DA JEWS as shock humor
>4chan becomes inundated with actual neo-nazis, white nationalists, and stormfront users
>now a potent political force on the internet
>no face is sufficient
>Rise of fascism (worse than communism, despite body-counts)
>Rise of Islam
>30 years war
>Reign of Terror
>Fall of Roman Empire/Rise of Christianity
I've been convinced Christianity did play a part in Rome's decline, and Rome's decline was at best a grinding halt of civilization, and not "a good that created endless political opportunity and ended slavery" as reactionaries now seem to be arguing. I don't believe the middle ages were an improvement in either thought or living standards, with most of the great medieval inventions in commerce, navigation, and architecture either being adopted or invented post 13th century. That's not to say the middle ages were completely "dark" and hopeless, or that the church is all evil (the genius and sincerity of Aquinas isn't washed away by the vanity, pettiness, and repulsive self-pity of Augustine); but the church grew powerful off the decline of state, and rich through providing public/social services that should've never been theirs to provide. I also don't believe strict monotheism and the desire for orthodoxy lead to the rise of science, as Rodney Stark likes to speculate.
If I was gonna be more specific on the last one:
>Ambrose convincing Theodosius not to protect the lives and property of his pagan and "heretical" Christian subjects. The ultimate seal of a private organization with no attachment to the state or its survival, dictating what that state should be. Had Rome fallen sooner it would've set the church back, but Rome was anything but the only state the church was playing politics in, and thus wasn't fatal when it did fall.
>Julian allowing Athanasius back into Alexandria (after Constantine had to exile him to Trier for threatening to prevent shipments of vital Egyptian grain to the rest of the empire should the emperor not take action against the Arians)
This is pretty controversial so I'll try to stick around if someone wants to argue. But I'm going out soon so I can't promise I'll be here long
>>1237210
If this isn't bait, this really supports the whole "/pol/cucks are retarded" thing
>>1240432
>white nationalism
>bad
fucking kill yourself, you anti white faggot
>>1240586
>Your retarded if your not an SJWs like us
>>1237210
Murder of Archimedes should be up there for the best of humanity, not just Europe
>>1237210
>breaking down berlin's wall
>napoleon's defeat at waterloo
>the black plague
>computers
>anime
>>1237210
1. Rome turning Christian
2. Christinization of the Germans to Arianism
3. The enlightenment
4. Karl Marx being born
5. Decolonization
>>1237260
>Slavic
There was a bit of problem, the aggression came later on after heydrich's death. Before that it somewhat worked out. Not to mention Slovaks were treated closer to equals or moderate people, but then again how long would that last, before the absolute purity would be enforced. Both of the events turned out as tragic, and only good things emerging were great experience and examples of how not to proceed.
>>1240645
>you're SJWs if you're not /pol/ like us
embarassing
>>1240586
You cuck. Don't you know that life will finally start to work out for me once we get a "president-for-life" and give all of the SJWs le free helicopter rides?
1. Destruction of Troy and alliance network allowing barbarian invasion and subsequent Dark Ages.
2. Plague of Athens
3. Philip II
4. Closure of Neoplatonic Academy in favor of Christian theological study. >hurr muh church preserving antiquity
5. Roman-Persian wars
>>1240645
Thinking that Alexander's death at 30 rather than 60 suggests a lot of ignorance about Hellenic history. Alexander's "empire" was never a permanent one in the sense of Rome or Persia. It's very unlikely his heir would have been able to keep it together without having to give huge swaths of territory to the Diadochi.
>>1240862
Why not? He seemed perfectly fine with copying the satrapy model. Had Cyrus died early we would say the same about him. A difference of thirty years is significant because it's about the amount of time needed to father an heir and have him reach the age of majority, plus some.
>>1240885
Alexander had basically no control over Egypt and Macedonia by the time he was in modern Pakistan
>>1240889
Are you retarded? He had complete control over both. How do you thing Ptolemy was able to basically march into Memphis and crown himself king?
>>1237756
this tbqh
>>1237260
>tfw you will never fight the eternal anglo under the command of Napoleon I
jdimsa
>>1240889
Macedonia had been stripped of manpower, posed no real threat, and was rather poor compared to the Asiatic provinces. Egypt had only around 60 years of independence in several centuries, not the kind of track record to challenge Alexander.
>>1240502
>Rise of fascism (worse than communism, despite body-counts)
Explain
>>1239062
Actually, looking at these objectively, the Black Plague actually helped Europe in the long run and partially led to the Renaissance.
>>1240110
Better than World War 1, where entire generations were killed on the front lines and widespread destruction economically ruined Europe.
>only one mention of the 30 years war
>>1240824
~10000BC the invention of agriculture
>>1237264
The whole western world, more like. You forget where Greece is?
>>1237210
>1. Fall of the Roman Empire
Inevitable. If you're going to lament the fall of the WRE, then you might as well lament the rise of the RE to begin with.
>2. Premature death of Alexander the Great in 323 BC
Not really European history but yeah I'll agree that it would've been interesting to see how things would've been different if he managed to name an heir
>3. French Revolution
This one is probably your most legitimate one...
>4. Napoleon losing at Waterloo
...but then this is only possible if the Revolution happened? I don't get it, are you for or against the Revolution?
>5. France and Britain declaring war on Nazi Germany
Yeah, nah, you're a cunt
>>1240502
>'ve been convinced Christianity did play a part in Rome's decline
Greetings Edward Gibbon
>>1240765
>murder of one of, if not the greatest mathematical minds to walk the face of the earth
>good
Are you nuts? He's basically antiquity's Gauss.
>>1237210
It's hard to say, what might seem initially bad might allow some other good thing to happen eventually. Without the black death for example, it's not likely Europe would have been as influential as it eventually became since there wouldn't be an incentive like the worth of peasant labor rising to slowly phase out feudalism and other medieval institutions.
In general terms I'd say the worst thing to happen in recent memory was the rise of Hitler to power, the subsequent war destroyed Germany and killed more Europeans than any other event in history, it wrecked the continent and made nationalism of any kind taboo.
>inb4 waaa waaa why didnt poles and russians just killed themselves and gave their lands to germany
Wish a documentary could exist that showed the route through Russia taken by Napoleon's Grand Army
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Napoleon%27s+Grand+Army+russia+route+today
>>1237210
1. Napoleon Losing
2. The Partitions of Poland
3. The Battle of Manzikert
4. The refusal to let Karl I rule over parts of A-H after WW1
5. Catholic-Orthodox Schism
