>Alexander
>Great
>>1234081
No, I'm sorry, the correct response was "Alexander THE Great". So close. Well, that will do it for today's show. Tune in tomorrow to see another neckbeard make a fool out of himself.
>>1234081
Alexander was only "great" because other famous members of the patriarchy believed he was. Real great women of the ancient era like Cleopatra don't get enough recognition.
>>1234081
quite Great
not bad for a gay dude
>>1234088
kek
>>1234090
>beat up a bunch of retards
>Great
>>1234090
I've always wondered even though he passed right through the region why he never conquered Bythnia. Anyone wanna answer this?
I love how in that same video he bitches about only men being called "great", then literally fucking three minutes later mentions Catherine.
>>1234112
then he said she doens't count for some reason
>>1234096
> Turkey
> Mesopotamia
> Persia
> Pakistan
how much losses would the US or Russia have trying to conquer those places
In b4 nukes, you can´t do shit with radiactive wastelands
>>1234153
also Egypt
>>1234153
>Those places are the same today as they were on Alexander's time.
>>1234090
>look at all this.....nothing.....that we conquered!
>>1234173
they were already full of nutjobs
>>1234081
His ambitions were great.
>>1234112
The guy hates Aristotle and then praises Aquinas, are you really expecting consistency and objective reasoning?
He should try and sort out his ideology.
>>1234153
He got 90% of that in one battle, in which his opponent king fled the battlefield. Getting to that point was dope, but it's not like he fucking zig zagged all over Asia Minor rampaging much but his own anus. Pakistan was a slightly different story, and he hit a brick wall at the Ganges, turned around and died of AIDS or something.
>>1234081
>Crash Course
Lectures and Rants
>History
Liberal Moralism
>of the World
Of why Eurocentrism is bad
>>1234081
>>1234107
Alexander the Great, in his great eastern conquests of the 4th century BC, was unable to completely conquer Bithynia.
The native peoples, resourcefully using forested, mountainous regions to their advantage were able to maintain their independence, and were among the very few who could boast of resisting Alexander. Though the Seleucids, the Macedonian dynasty that ruled large parts of modern Turkey and Syria after Alexander, controlled much surrounding territory, Bithynia remained virtually independent until the coming of Rome.
>>1234081
I am sick of seeing his stupid cuck nu-male face every time I use the /his/ catalog.
>implying the First Persian Empire wasn't the greatest in history up until Britain's
>implying the guy who conquered it wasn't objectively great
>implying Persia hasn't asked for it by burning Athens beforehand
>>1234199
You're a retard
>>1234287
May I save this picture?
>>1234081
Not that I'm a fan of John Green but seriously kids.
>2016
>Still believing in Great Man history
ISHYGDDT
>>1234356
>cuck
>nu-male
Perhaps then you should go back to the politics board then anon.
>>1234476
The gay-AIDS thing tripped your trigger card, huh?
>Mongols
>Not funny or conquered the world
>>1234088
>Real great women of the ancient era like Cleopatra don't get enough recognition.
This but unironically. If SJW's knew about figures like Tahm-Rayis or Artimesia of Caris there would probably be alot less dismisal of ancient cultures because they're so like, misogynistic and gross and stuff.
>>1234081
That is just your opinion man. Alexnder helped bridge the gap between the European states and the Asian states creating a semi successful multicultural empire that his successors (when they went squabbling) would expand upon. If mr.Greene doesn't think that Alexander earned the title then he is very well entitled to his opinion and if he only said that kind of stuff to prompt discussion about the man and his legacy then good on him.
Can someone give me a possibly unbiased crash course on John Green? I see this a lot and would like to understand what the fuss is about but I don't feel like watching a hundred videos on YT.
>>1234573
Hates white people.
Ottomans dindu nuffin.
If Alexander was THE Great, does that mean Genghis Khan was Alexander THE Great's God?
>>1234573
Some of his videos are alright, others have heavy political overtones
If you want good history on Youtube watch this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T89ugOHxcsc&index=1&list=PLkOo_Hy3liEIVg222yBVS38DXAE_EKF-N
>>1234624
>conquering lands inhabited by pesants and farmers
>using a much larger army
>still get btfo in Europe because mongols cannot into fortified cities
>never participate in any battle personally because you're a massive pussy
Alexander would have eviscerated Khan, both hand to hand and in pitched battle
>>1234645
I'm inclined to agree, and it would have been really funny.
Alexander whooped the Scythians who fought like Mongols and were unbeaten before that so there you go.
>>1234199
>but it's not like he fucking zig zagged all over Asia Minor rampaging much but his own anus
That is literally exactly what he did though, all across Asia. He fought a FUCKton of sieges.
>>1234573
Just take a look at this image and ask yourself what you think John Green has to say about history.
>>1234193
He's a middleaged man who thinks he's a teenager, don't expect too much.
>>1234645
>max army of 35,000 beating anything
>>1234744
Alexander's army pushed 50,000 by the Indian Campaigns, and he always won in the face of lopsided odds. The Mongols meanwhile were never able to field more than 70,000 soldiers at any one time. That's well within the size disparities that Alexander was able to overcome. Give Alexander period implements/weapons and it wouldn't even be a fight.
>>1234503
I agree with what this person said.
>>1234503
It's called Great Man Theory, and it's entirely correct.
History is a series of deeds, not a series of discourses. Fuck off back to /lit/ with your Marxist humbug
>>1234500
It's all yours, my friend!
>>1234081
>founds empire
>dies
>empire collapses immediately
>>>>>>great
>>1234503
>Still believing in Great Man history
Great Man history is entirely correct.
>>1234858
Great man theory only applies to white people.
>>1234858
If the specific Alexander was born to an African king, yes.
>>1234858
>strawman
>>1234868
So it only works when you already have power in place?
kek
>>1234858
If Phillip had moved to Egypt and left his son and wife there, it's fairly likely.
Same man. His environment is a product of him, not the other way around.
>>1234871
Oh btw and Spencers argument doesn't really disagree with the Great Man Theory.
>>1234878
Suppose, Phillip and his wife moved to Africa for xyz reason. Then they had a child that was raised by the lions. Would Alexander become the THE Great Lion?
>>1234877
Alexander would probably have risen in the ranks of any army to be a champion or top officer. His natural talents were undeniable.
Environment and upbringing can nurture potential or spoil it, but it can't instill potential when none is there to begin with.
>defending great man theory
Ironically right?
>>1234858
the idea that alexander is 100% of everything he did is incorrect but so is thinking that anyone in his position would have done the same, he had the ability and gall to do what he did, he was also supported and assisted by many people
you are being intentionally obtuse
>>1234899
>implying it's possible to test and therefore prove or disprove any historigraphical theory
>>1234193
This. I'm quite sure that Aquinas doesn't hate Aristotle.
>>1234081
i want to gauge his eyes out
i loathe him
I LOATHE HIM
>>1234153
>w much losses would the US or Russia have trying to conquer those places
Top kek are you serious?
Those places are backwards shitholes, so not very many
>>1234081
>John
>Green
He isn't green though
>>1234906
That is the point. He couldn't have done it without his social environment. That doesn't mean what he did wasn't "great".
Stop using words you don't understand, great man theory and reductionist history has nothing to do with alexander's ability as a general. Everything with a john meme picture just turns into a shitposting post general bringing in the worst invalids
>>1234877
Are you trying to refute it or something? Yes, it requires some base to start on but any average king with the same power couldn't have done what Alexander did.
>>1234965
What if it was Hitler?
>>1234645
>conquering lands inhabited by pesants and farmers
You mean like Egypt and Persia?
>>1234973
He would have made a country with an awful economy and without the technological means to conquer neighbors quick enough to hold it together
>>1234973
If he was a peasant he would become a militant revolutionary and establish his own dynasty. If he was a king he'd just sort of shittalk everyone.
>>1234107
Same question, but also with the case of Ponthos and Iberia in general
>>1234525
what's wrong with calling someone a nu-male?
>>1234954
Hahaha
>>1234906
If you give a man a gun, for example and he shoots and kills a guy. He's THE great gunsman.
If you put another man in his shoe at the exact same time, chances are that guy might not shoot but then again chances are they will shoot. They are therefore THE great gunsman. This is not a unique great white superman greek mythological power flowing in Alexander's blood. He's just a regular human put in some position via circumstances. If you take the entire human history's list of kings/generals/soldiers and run them through the same scenario, you'll get a pretty large "THE Great" list.
>>1234629
those videos are GOAT
>>1235018
>being this retarded
Not any man can inspire thousands to march across the world with him.
Probably no man would inspire his army to rush a citadel to rescue him as he disappeared, alone, over the wall.
COULD there have been an Alexander without being Alexander? Sure. But there wasn't. We got Alexander instead, and he accomplished some amazing things and left the world's most reverberating legacy.
Alexander. The. Great.
>>1235018
It is perfectly possible that under the exact same conditions some other people would perform even better as Alexander the Great, whatever it is by luck or skill.
>>1235032
>across the world
>middle east is "the world"
kek
If that's the world, then Genghis Khan's march would have been the world twice over. The mauryan king would have been a world over. The british empire would have been a multiple factor over. And that was a woman too.
Alexander. A . Great
Getting mad at facts is hilarious.
>>1234090
>conquering empty shitholes with sand
am i supposed to be impressed or what
Alexander is a meme desu
>>1235065
That's 25% of the human population in his day retard
>>1235065
>the entire fucking Persian Empire is an "empty shithole filled with sand"
this is an even danker meme than great man history
>>1234726
i've been alive long enough anon to realize that you can agree with people AND disagree with them in their other opinions. Magic, i know.
>>1235075
Roughly the same as Genghis Khan's proportionally.
On total number, 50m vs 100m+ easily.
On land mass coverage, 3% of world land vs 22%
>>1235079
>persian "empire"
shitholes with sands then?
>>1235050
It was the known world back then you cuckold. Alexander literally drew the maps as he went, and he went on foot pretty much the whole way.
You have a 6th grade level grasp of history
alexander the great is overrated to be honest desu senpai
>>1235118
>meme meme
>meme meme meme meme?
>>1235125
>The only world that existed was a greek world.
Nice try retard.
>>1235151
>liberal education
>>1235158
kys senpai
>alexander the """great"""
>>1235196
>irrelevant tribals
>Macedonia
>irrelevant tribals
>irrelevant tribals
>irrelevant tribals
>India
>irrelevant tribals
>irrelevant tribals
>irrelevant tribals
>China
you got him
>>1235240
>india and china are greek worlds
Nice try
>>1235291
Not the other autistic anon you are arguing with. But did Alexander really map the world as he conquered? Did he have a general idea what lay ahead of him or was he just winging it?
>>1235400
the reason he didn't keep going into India was because his army mutinied at the Indus rather than advance into land that no Greek had any prior knowledge of
>>1234153
If they declared war with men on the ground aiming to actually conquer the land the USA could do so in maybe a year with minimal losses assuming no other nations get involved.
The "le America is shit at war" meme fails to take into account that most wars nowadays are not simple land grabs between two rulers. They are much more complicated.
>>1234153
between NATO and ISIS, the only one of those that America doesn't control is Persia
>>1235400
Map of known world at the time
1/2
>>1235491
2/2
Coloured in according to who controlled what at during the mid/late 4th century
Note that the map is not really proportioned correctly. I think maybe 'Issedones' would correspond to Scythians but they're listed separately. Could represent Bactria or a nearby region.
>people still argue great man vs great discourses/time/etc.
>not realizing that it's probably a combination of these factors along with geographical, political, etc. realities.
>>1235528
Knowledge of something and where it sits on a map is not the same thing.
I mean, look at that map.
I doubt Greeks had concrete knowledge of Ethiopia/Axium. And China would have just been a place where exotic things came from. They definitely didn't meet any Chinese people or visit Chinese territory until the Greco-Bactrian kingdom.
I mean, seriously. Look at the Black and Caspian Seas.
They expanded knowledge of East Africa and Arabia a lot with the Ptolemies and mapped out the Arabian/Gulf of Oman coast as well as modern Afghanistan (then bactria).
In fact, mapping the coast was done on Alexander's return trip as his fleet followed his land route as he conquered the cities down there. Which they also mapped.
A modern version of the same map.
>>1235528
They literally thought the Indus was a tributary of the Nile because both had crocodiles.
No Greek on record had ever observed the the ebb and flow of oceanic tides before Alexander's expedition. They thought it was some horrible catastrophe, and their boats were stranded until the water came back.
>>1234177
>Fertile Crescent
>Persia
>Fucking Egypt
>>1235549
only correct reply.
>>1234858
So if Alexander didn't exist the Persians would still be conquered?
Alexander isn't "the Great" because he waved his conqueror's dick in a whole hell of a lot of faces, but because he was in large part responsible for the spread of Hellenic culture across much of the known world. Thus changing the course of world history immeasurably.
>>1234645
>still get btfo in Europe because mongols cannot into fortified cities
what? That literally never happened.
If he wasn't great, why have you heard of him? You have to be pretty great for fags on a Mongolian pottery forum to know your name thousands of years in the future.
>>1234940
Turkey is one of the biggest world militaries. Second after USA in NATO
>>1237254
Hmm. Can you use a better word than "biggest"? DPRK has a "big" military, but its reach is shit and technologically inferior. I can argue the UK military to be "bigger" purely in the aspect of the distance from the "home" from which it can affect.
>>1235012
Nothing. You just triggered the nu-male
>>1234153
without giving a damn about humanitarian reasons? very few.
>Shits on Aristotle whenever he can
>Nothing but praise for Thomas Aquinas
...?
Leave Alexander alone you fuckers.
>>1234090
You could conquer literally the entire planet, if you can't consolidate your power and keep your kingdom stable, you're a garbage leader who isn't worth shit and should stick exclusively to just leading armies.
>>1234940
Mate, the Russians had their hands full with just Afghanistan.
>>1234937
>Not knowing about the Greek curse
I'll be at the place where naked men meet if you need me
>>1234090
>duration: 10 years (roughly
Heh
>>1235451
This
If the US fought in the Middle East in a WW2 style conquest campaign it would be swift as fuck
>>1234090
I wonder what made him decide to turn back.
I also wonder how he kept order in the towns he settled while still maintaining a powerful army going forward
>>1234081
Who better than some ultracuck faggot shitty YA author to pass judgement on a man like Alexander?
>>1234791
>The Mongols meanwhile were never able to field more than 70,000 soldiers at any one time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Yehuling
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Baghdad_%281258%29
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Wadi_al-Khazandar
>>1240622
Doesn't matter. Mongols are weak as shit. They only won their wars due to their opponents being weak. Meanwhile Alexander the great won all his battles becuase he's a god given form Ubermensch.
>>1234081
Dude mongols lmao
>>1242702
>doesn't matter
Actually you being a fucking retard who doesn't know shit and spewing blatant misinformation as fact with utmost confidence does matter.
>>1240501
His men told him "Alex bud we love you and all but we're in fucking India and I miss my wife, can we please go back"
And he did
>>1234090
Did Alex just not care about Epirus and Sparta, or were they just too tough of nuts to crack?
>>1234081
/his/ newfag here, can someone explian why john green loves mongols so much, and why he's wrong?
>>1242869
He cares about it so much because he knows a wide variety of history across the continents.
He's wrong because mongols are not white, therefore I can't relate, I haven't learned about them, and such.
>>1234988
His empires economy would have been self sufficient like what his generals tried to do with their kingdoms during the diadochi wars but instead of a part of the empire it would be the whole thing making it actual work
>>1242916
>mongols are not white, therefore I can't relate
So weak
>>1242835
By marching them through a desert.
>>1242837
Sparta was a nobody by that point.
>>1242837
Philip planned to march on Sparta but chickened out. Besides they were pretty irrelevant at that point as they no longer had all of Messina enslaved.
And Epirus is where his mother was from, and where she was staying for most of his campaign I think. He is first cousins to Pyrrhus of Epirus.
>>1234726
I never understood this line of argument. Surely you could just as easily reverse it, and conclude that you shouldn't eat multiple types of cereal?
>>1242702
Are you implying the flailing Persian Empire that had its last great ruler get assassinated and replaced by his inexperienced elderly cousin was somehow strong?
