Let's say that WWII ended with all of Europe unified under Nazism and a stalemate reached with America and Russia. Would Nazi Germany have been able to create the Aryan utopia they envisioned at this point in history? Was it all just an unobtainable fantasy from the beginning?
>>1323322
>Would Nazi Germany have been able to create the Aryan utopia they envisioned at this point in history?
Hell no.
Bear in mind, a "stalemate" with the U.S., given the German lack of projecting force to America proper, ends with the Americans eventually realizing they can't topple the Nazi regime after delivering several nukes a month once October 45 or so rolls around.
What they'd have, assuming they somehow made it this far, is an empire of radioactive ruins.
> Was it all just an unobtainable fantasy from the beginning?
Even uniting Europe is an unobtainable fantasy, let alone the rest of it. How are you going to knock England out?
Nazism was/is Germanic Islam. It is not a unifying force but an assimilating one.
>>1323326
I was thinking that England would welcome Nazism with open arms, like a long lost relative.
>>1323332
>I was thinking that England would welcome Nazism with open arms, like a long lost relative.
Why the fuck would they do that? Britain's #1 foreign policy goal, for literally centuries, was to prevent anyone from unifying Europe. They'd always oppose someone attempting that goal.
>>1323345
Then it's not really WW2 at all, is it? There is no way the western world is going to overlook things like overrunning Belgium, the Netherlands, and France.
The entire idea is stupid. You really ought to drop it.
>>1323322
WHOMEVER MADE THAT IMAGE DOES NOT COMPREHEND SEVERE DECO AESTHETICS, CONFLATING IT WITH COMMUNIST AESTHETICS —THAT RESEMBLES SOME CITY IN THE SOVIET UNION, NOT COSMOPOLIS GERMANIA, CAPITAL OF THE THIRD REICH.
>>1323322
A utopia with no smoking, no alcohol, and no meat.
Not my kind of paradise.
>>1323322
>Would Nazi Germany have been able to create the Aryan utopia
Fuck no. The Nazis were flawed to the core. They started stupid wars, they had a poor bearing on the intentions of other nations, and they created an inefficient economy.
The Nazis lost because they were legitimately awful.
>>1323345
Are we just gonna assume anything that makes some fascist utopia possible and ignore any detracting possibilities, then?
>>1323322
>elevated 4 lanes following the exact same path as ground level 8 lanes
Literally why?
>>1323375
I'm mostly just thinking about if it was ever even feasible to create this neo Berlin that Hitler had designs for.
>>1323363
You don't think Nazism would lead to efficient conformist block based city building?
>>1323388
Not really. Hitler was self defeating. He would have pushed everyone's buttons until he started a war no matter what. It would have no doubt been a war that Germany couldn't win.
>>1323393
>Nazism
>efficient
>>1323388
But it was uglier than actual Berlin. Also the Dome, apart from being supremely ugly, would never have worked.
>>1323353
I know that Hitler loved British culture and wanted to come to peaceful arrangement with them. Surely there would be some way this could be brought about.
>>1323393
>Nazi Germany
>efficient
Not that anon, but no. No I do not believe Nazism would lead to an efficient anything.
>>1323374
>The Nazis were flawed to the core. They started stupid wars,
I know, I mean why wouls they want to reclaim German majoroty territory tsken from them after WW1? It makes literally no sense.
lol stoopid nadis
>they had a poor bearing on the intentions of other nations
The allies didn't react when they reoccupied the rhineland, The allies didn't react when they annexed Austria, the allies didn't react when they annexed the Sudetenland, how were they supposed to predict the allies would react when they invaded Poland?
>and they created an inefficient economy.
They took a zimbabwe tier post war shithole and made it the single greatest edonomy in Europe, all whilst having to pay billions of marks to the allies.
>>1323404
What do you mean? Why wouldn't the Volkshalle have worked?
>>1323432
Is this supposed to be a serious post?
>>1323440
Wow great argument fagtron you sure convinced me with those hot opinions
>>1323393
1. EFFICIENCY, AND DREARINESS, ARE NOT MUTUALLY EQUIVALENT, NOR MUTUALLY CONTINGENT.
2. CONFORMISM IS ANTITHETICAL TO NATIONAL SOCIALIST IDEOLOGY.
3. NATIONAL SOCIALIST ARCHITECTURE —ID EST: SEVERE DECO— WAS MINIMALISTIC, AND EXALTED, NOT BLEAK, AND MISERABLE.
YOU ARE IGNORANT.
>>1323457
Why are you even butthurt?
>>1323455
A lot like Berlin at the time with a lot of overly expensive monuments that fit the subjective design aesthetic of whoever is in charge.
>>1323472
These are great counterpoints, you're really winning me over, I can see the error of my ways now.
>>1323468
Clearly you're very passionate about this. I'm genuinely curious as to how you envision the city building aesthetics of Nazi Germany as opposed to the picture I posted.
>>1323478
Dude, you aren't even disagreeing with me. You were nitpicking just to start an argument because you are obviously butthurt about something. Your butthurt is at the heart of the issue.
>>1323495
He's clearly intoxicated anon. Didn't you notice the misspellings? I'm drunk myself and even I noticed them. Come on son.
>>1323492
He's a stupid tripfaggot who is too autistic to realize the implications of TYPING ALL CAPS.
Why do you want its opinion?
>>1323501
Why is everyone drinking tonight? It's a Wednesday.
>>1323495
I am disagreeing with you. Starting a war to reclaim lost lands is justified, not stupid. Being unable to predict what an adversary would do due to their inconsistency is understandable, and the Nazi economy was the most efficient in Europe at that time, I disagree fundamentally with everything you said.
>>1323501
Typing on a shitty tablet.
>>1323492
HAVE YOU EVER EVEN SEEN THE MODELS THAT ALBERT SPEER BUILT FOR THE PROJECTED REMODELING OF BERLIN? THAT IS HOW THE CITY WAS GOING TO LOOK HAD THE THIRD REICH HAD TRIUMPHED.
nazi victory what ifs are played out.
I've always been curious how history would've gone if the nazis lost ww2 as we know it, but they stayed in power in Germany in Hitler never killed himself. What would that do to a country, and especially its leader? To live to have seen yourself become the second coming of Wilhelm in terms of fucking up.
>>1323507
I never said anything about it being justified or not. You did to start an argument.
The Nazi economy was far from the most efficient economy at the time. It was haunted by micromanagement that led to large scale inefficiency.
>>1323502
I want to cultivate opinions on the possibilities of Nazi city building.
>>1323516
Yeah, I have
>>1323525
SO WHY DO YOU ASK REDUNDANT QUESTIONS?
>>1323509
I do all the time you drunk son of a gun.
>>1323518
Even if the Nazi Party survived WW2, the rest of Europe probably would've had Hitler executed for war crimes. At the very least international pressure would've forced him to resign.
>>1323519
You called it "stupid", it wasn't stupid at all, the war lasted years, it wasn't a "lol we dun fucked up" affair, Nazi Germany came very close to winning WW2 in 1942.
>The Nazi economy was far from the most efficient economy at the time. It was haunted by micromanagement that led to large scale inefficiency.
And yet it still managed to revolutionise itself from the shrivelling decay that was the Weimar republic into an enviable world power. You can't tell me the Weimar republic would have done the same.
>>1323507
>Nazi Economy
>Efficient.
Yeah, they were so efficient that they were consistently outbuilt by places like England despite having smaller industrial bases.
They were so efficient that they had to resort to Keynsian spending bubbles to revamp their economy, and it was still shortfalling even as it was overheating.
>>1323518
You are aware that Germany was completely occupied by Allied forces at the end of the war, yes?
How the fuck are they staying in power after that?
>>1323538
>Nazi Germany came very close to winning WW2 in 1942.
On what planet do you live on? The Germans were nowhere near victory in 1942, and this is the year that the ground forces start to tilt against them, and there's no light at the end of this tunnel what with the massive production disadvantage they're at.
>>1323546
>mindless fucking buzzwords jammed together despite not forming a cohesive sentence
wew
>>1323538
Yes, they were stupid. MAYBE Germany could have taken on France and England (likely not but hindsight is 20/20), but invading Russia despite their agreement was objectively a stupid decision. Even if Germany took it's objectives Russia would have implemented it's long held plan of burning everything, retreating past the Urals, and continuing the fight. This defensive strategy is literally the entire reason Russia is as big as it is and why Napoleon failed so horribly despite taking Moscow.
Germany's political structure was awful during that period and it led to stupid decisions.
>>1323556
The world where they were surrounding Leningrad, a mile from Moscos and fighting for control of Stalingrad. Had those three cities fallen the USSR would either have been dragged to the negotiating table or so demoralised the Germans would simply have to snipe them off in Siberia.
>>1323546
>How the fuck are they staying in power after that?
We let them while keeping them on a tight leash. It wouldn't be the first time in world history that it's happened.
>>1323329
They are coming back to Germany
>>1323546
>had to resort to Keynsian spending bubbles to revamp their economy
Yes, and? If anything that was the ONE aspect of Germany during that period which was ahead of other nations of Europe.
>>1323566
Hitler gambled on the Soviet Union giving in as literally every other country had, with their generals recently purged by Stalin it seemed like an easy victory, he didn't plan on them killing 30 million of their own people.
>>1323571
>The world where they were surrounding Leningrad
And nowhere close to taking the city, which isn't vital for the war effort in any which way.
>a mile from Moscos
Never got that close even in 1941, and were pushed back hard in the Vyzama counterattack, never to return.
> and fighting for control of Stalingrad
And losing, with their flanks constantly threatened, and close to half the army group's strenght expended just getting to the city.
>Had those three cities fallen the USSR would either have been dragged to the negotiating table
You're basing this on what exactly? Not to mention that the most important of those cities wasn't even under attack in 1942, one is strategically worthless, and the other is only important as to how it can affect further moves, and given the looseness of the German flanks, it's extremely unlikely whether any victory in Stalingrad could even be exploited.
> demoralised the Germans would simply have to snipe them off in Siberia.
That doesn't even logically connect to itself.
Please educate yourself a bit about the Eastern Front. Start with this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Clz27nghIg
>>1323582
But they pushed too far, creating bubbles (I.e. weapons production) and eventually ran out of cash.
Only reason it didn't collapse is because of the gold reserves of Austria and Czechoslovakia, and because of the start of the war in 1939.
>>1323559
No, they're actual economic terms. Go look up the production of various important wartime material, compare the UK to Germany in WW2.
The UK alone, which had a population of about 18 million less than Germany, consistently outbuilt in things like planes and artillery.
The German economy was shit.
>>1323582
It didn't revamp anything. It masked endemic problems with a stimulus, and was heading for a crash. Even with it all, consumption was way, way low in 1935-1938 Germany. They weren't prosperous by any sense of the word.
>>1323583
>literally every country had
Except England.
>counting on long Russia to value Russian lives over land
Objectively stupid and not even a gamble. On the issue of the purge, Russia had just defeated Finland by throwing Russian soldiers at them en masse despite lacking well trained officers, only enforcing the fact that Russia was willing to sacrifice countless Russian lives. Furthermore the defensive position of Russia hadn't changed despite the communist revolution.
>>1323322
> Would Nazi Germany have been able to create the Aryan utopia they envisioned at this point in history?
Good lord, no. Their best bet would be to whore themselves out to the Soviets, who, god help us, would have a relatively functioning economy.
>>1323598
>>1323599
But if I'm not mistaken the whole point of Keynsian stimulus is to get people working by printing more money. Inflation is just part of the game. It can go on indefinitely in an autarky, with the primary con being that it devalues the fortunes built up until that point through the inflation.
>>1323322
Who they considered Aryan seemed to shift depending on who they were fighting. For some reason.
>>1323619
Inflation wasn't the only (or even primary) problem they were running into
I'm going to let another anon do my talking for me,
>>1323322
>having an office right below the road
fuggggggg x___x
>>1323645
That's because the Aryans were a mythical super race from Atlantis.
>>1323654
Fun Fact: This picture is inaccurate. Cars were not going to be allowed on this road.
>>1323660
What, was it supposed to be a private walk way for aristocrats?
>>1323659
Pre-Autism Array, I take it.
>>1323435
the entire thing would sink into the ground and the giant boobie-and-nipple dome would collect all the hot air from the breathing of the people inside and create its own weather phenomena like a fucking raincloud
