What happened to this great Empire?
The Hundred Years War
>>1230411
It disbanded.
King John
>Great
>Empire
>>1230411
Richard I of England happened. He made his brother, Prince John, pay for his bloody crusade. His absenteeism weakened the empire. His brother, Prince John, was forced to deal with lords plotting against King Richard in his absence.
Plus they were both cucked by their mommy Eleanor of Aquitaine. King Henry II was also cucked by Eleanor and did not expect her betrayal. King Henry's sons were greedly little twerps who wanted their crown early and couldn't wait for Henry the II to die already. Finally they forced him to give up his crown before his death. A scandal!
>>1230459
John was a shit. Arthur one true king.
>>1230509
Magna Carta Propaganda.
King John's lords were a disloyal bunch that would never show up to a levy, so King John hired mercenaries and made the lords pay for it.
King John was known for his Justice and Laws. :)
He was a Just king known for his laws.
Unfortunately the sensationalism of Ivanhoe and Robin Hood gave him a bad name. Both books writing in the 19th century were written by anti-monarchists.
>own half of France
>can't conquer Wales
Are French cucks or Welsh that powerful?
>>1230606
The Angevins were French. Henry II was in France 95% of the time, Richard barely spoke a word of English.
>>1230606
Henry II did not have a casus belli. And his wife was a plotting backstabber.
>>1230606
Most of the French land was inherited
>>1230656
>casus belli
What the fuck. Johan get out.
>>1230648
And was't England speaking some Saxon "bark bark" at the time?
>>1230411
Philippe II Auguste happened
>>1230658
You realize that's a thing, right? It's the reason no European country colonized Ethiopia. They couldn't consider them savage since they were already Christian. They strategically married relatives off in order to sew future claims to be pressed. People didn't just declare war on who they felt like without everyone else taking a very negative opinion towards it.
>>1230411
The eternal Anglo spares no one
>>1230411
Richard the Lionheart happened.
>>1230529
It's ironic how Richard, the actual shit king is remembered fondly as a good king, and John, the actual good king, is remember as a shit king.
Robin hood
>>1230411
>English and French under one ruler
Doomed from the start, desu senpai.
Perfidious Albion
>>1230972
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Italo-Ethiopian_War
They did try, though
>>1231137
Based on what I've just read, the war broke out over a perceived breach of a treaty, which the Italians took as a (((cassus belli))).
>>1230972
The Italians tried and got their asses handed to them the first time. They pulled it off the second time but got it taken off of them since they got their asses handed to them again.
Religion was part of it, but so was geography (mountains surrounded by desert are inconvenient to invade), their willingness to import European weapons and experts in order to modernize (similar to Japan in this regard), and pretty decent leadership (IE Menelik II).
>>1231175
Not the other guy, but yes, casus belli is just the stated reason for going to war.
It can be a complete asspull, and usually was. The Italians literally made two different treaties, one they gave to the Ethiopians and the other they showed to the Europeans. Then when the Italians tried to enforce the treaty they showed to the Europeans Menelik abrogated it (because of fucking course you would) and Italy invaded.
>>1230411
Eternal anglo as usual.
>>1230983
>centuries of varying degrees of military success
>get occupied by germany because they werent allowed to militarize Belgian border
>hurr hurr stulid frogs only surrender
Why does the shit poster post his shit
>>1230606
They weren't really that interested in Wales because there's little of value there. It was only conquered because Welsh Princes would stage raids in the west and the English decided to give them law.
>>1230529
>>1230459
John:
>Killed his nephew, the more legitimate heir to the lands in France by their laws, and then would torture and kill anybody who dared even speak of that.
>Alienated himself from the Church when the lords weren't there
>Got the Kingdom put under an interdict and seized church property, yet his father is seen as the bad guy for accidentally killing Becket
And in case you don't know what an interdict is it means that the church doesn't do its services in a kingdom. Anywhere. No marriages, no funerals or burials, no indulgences, baptisms, anything of the sort.
He also fucked up any of his campaigns to try and maintain the French holdings, and set a very very poor relation with the Irish when he was governing there before becoming the King.
Richard on the other hand was not a good ruler, and knew he was going to be absent, so he actually did appoint skilled administrators in his absence (they quarreled with John) while he was busy being one of the greatest commanders of his time period and preserving a Christian states in the holy land.
>>1230663
Well yes, practically all Englishmen spoke various dialects of Old English during the time of the Angevin Empire.
>>1230972
Are you alright Anon? You do know that the Welsh already paid tribute to Henry II because the Normans didn't stop at England in 1066, and the Welsh lords preferred to pay tribute than be conquered outright, right? And with every ruler since Bastard Bill they would make more and more excuses, and have to be forced into paying again, until Edward I got sick of it and conquered 2/3rds of the country.
In the middle ages there was no pressing need for a casus belli, it was always easy to manufacture one of some kind. What was difficult was configuring the situation in such a way that you'll expend the least amount of effort for the most gain. Want to rule all of France? You can be Edward III and your grandfather was king of France, and some French lords might even join you and your cause looks right to your soldiers. Or you can be Henry II and blunder your way through, making war on your wife and alienating her vassals and the very independently minded French lords. Stop getting your history from Paradox games, it all comes down to energy and economics.
>>1230983
Isn't it past your bedtime? I remember high school starting at 7.
>>1231198
As this guy says, casus belli is usual just a clever asspull, not hard to do. Have you ever wondered why wording of legal documents or treaties is so convoluted and vague? The more interpretations that can be made, the more easily it can be broken.
>>1231747
>As this guy says, casus belli is usual just a clever asspull, not hard to do. Have you ever wondered why wording of legal documents or treaties is so convoluted and vague? The more interpretations that can be made, the more easily it can be broken.
So you believe that treaties and laws are merely propped up by a small cabal (freemasons? jews?) to serve their own economic and "energetic" interest, whatever that means. Instead of, you know, being the standard way of social and economic groups to uphold their perfectly mundane and justified interests, and that they're convoluted not because someone wants to obscure them, but because there are a great many overlapping and contradictory claims and rights of many different groups with various political power and legal influence. You believe that casus belli is always a cynical justification, not based on very real social mores, personal and political relationships, international law and custom, treaties, and so on.
And you accuse others of being 7 years old. All while espousing the faux-mature, yet ignorant views a 12 year old would hold. The world is so simple. The only thing that counts is power. Too bad the sheeple can't see it. Get over yourself.
>>1230606
France was worth taking. Wales would require an expensive campaign to subdue and garrison forces to maintain control, and at the end of the day you own Wales.
>>1230983
Mate, the war that followed was practically a french civil war, there were french ruling on both sides of the canal.
>>1230422
this tbqh
>>1230411
King John happened
Philip Augustus.
>>1231999
You sure do jump to conclusions, buddy. I personally think that it's the internet that's bred your kind of people.
7am, Anon. I started high school at 7am you dipshit.
>>1230606
1)Angevins were French
2)MARRIAGES !
>>1230983
English retard
>mfw the French cucked themselves by inheriting England which ended by conquering half of France because kingdom > duchies
>>1234707
>conquered
It was already owned by them and most of it was acquired through marriages
Also stop taking such an ethnic view of this, it was only the nobles that really cared and maps always oversimplify the geopolitical situation of the Medieval World.
>>1230411
It's funny how Bouvines is barely known by english people. Of course, they all know about Agincourt, but they seem to forget all the times they fucked up against France.
>Glorified
>Cheerleader
>>1235234
That was around 200 years down the line, this is the initial Angevin Empire that John fucked up
