How is it even controversial? Who can seriously claim it wasn't a genocide? It's just baffling.
>>1228610
>How is it even controversial?
It isn't, unless you're Turkish.
>>1228610
No one is saying it didnt happen. If they are they are delusional. Usual arhuements are
1. Ottoman did it none of our bussiness we dont have to say sorry
2. It was just a relocation of people and they happened to die in harsh road conditions. Such things happen in war.
>>1228625
Cenk Ugyhur says it didn't happen (Which is hilarious because he'll also say Americans are responsible for the Holocaust because it was done by "White" people).
>>1228625
Outright denying it happened is a thing, though.
>>1228635
See: Delusional
>>1228610
Obviously the poor Turks must be protected from the evil tyranny of Armenians and their ""genocide""
>>1228625
there were plenty of lynchings to help it along senpai
Why didn't the 150.000 armed armenians who were fighting along the russians defend them?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armenian_volunteer_units
>Besides the regular soldiers of the Russian Caucasus Army, nearly 20,000 Armenian irregular units expressed their readiness to take up arms against the Ottoman Empire as early as 1914. The size of these units increased during the war and Boghos Nubar gave the summary of these units in a public latter to the Paris Peace Conference, 1919 as 150,000 Armenians in the Russian Empire's volunteer units and 50,000 Armenian irregular units.[4]
>>1228739
They did. Ever hear of the Defense of Van?
What's even more screwy than Turks denying it is Armenians denying that there was at the same time a Greek and Assyrian genocide.
>>1228763
So 200.000 men not even counting the russian army couldn't protect their civilians? You do realize how low on men the Ottomans were at that time? What a joke.
Seems to me a case of
>we didn't win so let's cry about genocide
Funny how you brought up the Greeks as well. They do the same thing.
>invade turkey with an army of 200.000
>get ass kicked by kemal
>100 years later jump on the genocide bandwagon
Pathetic.
>>1228788
>I win you I get to genocide you
>>1228831
>invade turkey on all sides (a war they didn't start)
>fail to win with violence
>they wuz civilians pls apologize
pathetic
>>1228840
>I win you I get to ethnically cleanse (supposedly) collaborationist ethnic minority
>>1228848
>invade turkey on all sides
>turn the area into a war zone
>turkey evacuates the civilians
>starve or get attacked by kurdish gangs
Somehow this is all Turkeys fault and they should apologize. How about the Armenians and their allies apologize for turning the area into a war zone? And when will they apologize for the suffering and deaths of turkish civilians? Oh right they don't care about that.
Only thing they care about is that they failed to create their greater armenia. They cry because they failed to destroy Turkey. And you expect Turkey to apologize? Not in another 100 years m8.
>>1228788
So you don't know what the Defense of Van is, since it directly contradicts what you just said. Good to know. If you would pay attention to the timeframes involved, you would also see that the genocide largely took place in the second year of the Caucasian Front, not exactly a time when the Russian forces were able to operate hundreds of miles behind enemy lines, like you apparently expect them to have. One of the few places they could intervene in was the Van Vilayet, and they did.
It's strange that you think the Ottomans were that lifeless, since as you said apparently 1 million Russians were unable to break the Caucasian front, despite being at war, on the front line, and with a hateboner for the Pashas.
Also, you don't understand the difference between the country of Greece and Greek-speaking civilians in a different country, do you? Please explain to me what the fuck Pontic and Cappadocian Greeks had to do with the Aegean country, apart from being more similar to each other than they were to the Turks. In case you can't tell, Cappadocian and Pontic Greeks =/= Aegeans. Separate history, separate culture, separate language, for about a thousand years.
You've yet to find a good excuse for why the Assyrians had to die, I see. Don't worry Pasha, I'm sure your siktir git mind will come up with one.
>>1228870
Again, you don't get to ethnically cleanse whole populations because they are affiliated (in your mind at least) with the enemy side.
>>1228877
>muh pontic greeks
They left with the population exchange retard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_exchange_between_Greece_and_Turkey
>>1228870
You literally armed those Kurds to fight the Russians you stupid mongol. Where else do you think those packs of goat herders got their arms from? It's well documented. You created your own Kurdish nightmare by replacing the Armenians with even shittier subjects.
At this point it's clear you're either a rot-brained Turkaboo or just a troll, so whatever. It's the first time I've seen someone try to claim that ethnic Turk civilians were the real victims though, so at least you're being creative.
>>1228897
>200.000 volunteers join the russian side
>it was all in your mind
lol
>>1228904
>>200.000 volunteers join the russian side
Closer to 70k, and yes, even then you don't get that right. Do you need this in drawing or something?
>>1228918
>Closer to 70k
Are you calling your armenian Boghos Nubar a liar?
>Boghos Nubar gave the summary of these units in a public latter to the Paris Peace Conference, 1919 as 150,000 Armenians in the Russian Empire's volunteer units and 50,000 Armenian irregular units.[4]
>>1228936
I wouldn't be surprised.
You think it's the world against Turkey, but really it's just the world laughing at all of the failed cultures down there – Turks, Armenians, Greeks, Azeris, Georgians, etc etc. You're all neighbor-killing scum, but that still doesn't justify hacking up each other's children and shipping them to the Syrian desert.
>>1228899
>hurr I'm a fuckig retard
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greek_genocide
>>1228971
>>hurr I'm a fuckig retard
See: >>1228788
and
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greco-Turkish_War_%281919%E2%80%9322%29
> Johannes Kolmodin was a Swedish orientalist in Smyrna. He wrote in his letters that the Greek army had burned 250 Turkish villages.[97]
>explosion of violence of Greeks and Armenians against the Turks", and "a systematic plan of destruction and extinction of the Moslem population
>its ok if we do it
pathetic
>>1228936
It's a pretty shabby source actually.
Also
>latter
Naah.. Even the turks admit it. People have to learn from their mistakes. But the thing is that the goverment of Turkey will never accept it just because the armenians will start to cry and bitch about reparations. Which as you guess turks will never give.
>>1229022
Well I can agree with you on that. Armenians are a shabby source.
>>1228988
>completely ignores that Turks have been massacring Anatolian Greeks from 1914 to the end of the Greco-Turkish War
WE DIDNU NUFFIN YOU WER DA AGGRESSORS
They deny it to the outside world, but among themselves they all know and take pride in it.
>>1229076
Well the allies attacked Turkey, not the other way around so yeah they were the aggressors. What's your point?
>massacring Anatolian Greeks from 1914
>believing greek memes
And Greeks massacred Turks all the way starting at 1821.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Tripolitsa#Massacre_of_civilians
>It's ok if we do it
>>1229044
An Armenian living in London who's lobbying the west for support after the war has ended is not a reliable source for those numbers.
Also, I went to look at the source, which reads as follows:
>In the Caucasus, without mentioning the 150,000 Armenians in the Russian Armies, about 50,000 Armenian volunteers under Andranik, Nazarbekoff and others, not only fought for four years for the Entente, but after the breakdown of Russia, they were the only forces in the Caucasus to resist the advance of the Ottoman Empire, whom they held in check until the Armistice was signed.
"150,000 Armenians in the Russian Armies" can be taken to mean Armenians conscripted to the Imperial army, especially when juxtaposed with the volunteers. There were, what, 2 million Armenians in Russia in 1914? I think they could cough up 150k young men.
>>1229094
Actually it's more like this
>"There are Turks who don't admit that their ancestors committed genocide. If you look at it though, they seem to be nice people... So why don't they admit it? Because they think that genocide is a bad thing which they would never want to commit, and because they can't believe their ancestors would do such a thing either."[38]
>>1229103
>An Armenian lobbying is not a reliable source for those numbers.
Yup I agree. I think the same way when they lobby about the genocide numbers.
>>1229113
I agree, but in this case we have other sources too.
>>1229097
Someone already said this but Cappadocian and Pontic Greeks aren't the same as Aegean Greeks.
>>1229097
>Well the allies attacked Turkey, not the other way around so yeah they were the aggressors. What's your point?
The thing is that Greece was neutral in WW1 until 1917, so there's no excuse to massacre the Anatolian Greeks.
>And Greeks massacred Turks all the way starting at 1821.
And the Turks massacred the Greek Cypriots of Nicosia in 1570. At least the Greeks during 1821 had the excuse that they were cleansing the invaders from their lands.
>>1229245
Well Turks had the excuse that they were cleansing the invaders from Anatolian land if you go back far enough. I think there was a sultan that said upon conquering anatolia that they avenged the Trojans lol.
>>1229365
Christ
>>1229365
>>1229369
I found it
>After the Fall of Constantinople, Mehmed would also go on to conquer the Despotate of Morea in the Peloponnese in 1460, and the Empire of Trebizond in northeastern Anatolia in 1461. The last two vestiges of Byzantine rule were thus absorbed by the Ottoman Empire. The conquest of Constantinople bestowed immense glory and prestige on the country. There is some historical evidence that, 10 years after the conquest of Constantinople, Mehmed II visited the site of Troy and boasted that he had avenged the Trojans by conquering the Greeks (Byzantines).[20][21][22]
kek
>>1229372
I thought Ottomans were Byzantine due to translatio imperii?? Or did they only take the good stuff n shieet.
>>1228610
>>1229372
That was probably propaganda spread by the Ottomans, or an attempt at propaganda to the "Latin" west. Mehmed II was a Europhile to the extreme.
>>1228840
The fuck are you on about? Turkey declared war.
turks --> muslims --> retards who believe every fucking propaganda
>>1228625
>we dont have to say sorry
I'd grant any Turks this
It's not their fault that their ancestors tried to kill all the Armenians
>>1228903
Not him. Turkish civillian losses were enormous, far more than other minorities. What are you talking about?
>>1228610
Turks are like Japanese.
>>1228788
This is literally retarded """"""logic"""""".
>>1229038
>Even the turks admit it.
ITT we have a Turk not admitting it.
>>1228877
B A S E D
>>1230724
this is true
officially they deny the genocide, but behind closed doors they get off on it
>>1228610
I wonder if only nationalist/conservative roaches deny it or if the communists/socialist/liberal turks deny it too.
>>1228877
>hateboner
Really just the cherry on an excellent post.
>>1228877
Creamy Post my Dude. Fight on against the revisionism on /his/.
>>1228877
Solid post
>>1228625
>2,5 mio. dead
>"harsh road conditions"
lmao, can't make that shit up. Turks are truly subhumans
>>1228625
>Ottoman did it none of our bussiness we dont have to say sorry
The young turks did it and kemal actively glorified the men responsible
>your empire goes war
>join another country's side against your own empire
>kill the people that you traded and lived with
>get killed in return
>join Russian army
>get killed
>rebel more, barricade cities
>get killed
>years after war, cry about it as "genocide"
those that lose never lose their ability to make excuses.
I wish something like this had never happened but it had to and it did. get rekt. our ancestors > your ancestors.
>>1228610
Armenians killed themselves and blamed it on Turks that did nothing wrong. It's ritual mass suicide typical for their society btw.
>>1228840
>a war they didn't start
Neither did Armenians nor Russians.
There was however certain Central European country that sent 2 battlecruisers to Turkey and they didn't mind them raiding around and using their bases.
>>1228870
>turkey evacuates the civilians
they've only evacuated Armenians, local Turks who migrated in the region after Balkan wars stayed in place.
>>1230813
More like the only reason they can deny it so much and revise history, is because they are key US allies.
>>1233117
>your people in a separate country lost, so we get to genocide you all
>>1233262
they died in the process, not after the war you dumbass.
