>Who is your vote for most unlikeable person in history?
I vote Pol Pot, the guys policies seemed to have no good will in them, his personal life is shrouded in alot of mystery so you dont really get a feel for him as a person. I would vote Stalin a close second.
>>1222005
Pol Pot, followed by Cromwell.
Pol Pot was nowhere near as crazy as people make him out. He just saw the lengths capitalist were willing to go to stop communism spreading in Vietnam.
>>1222096
>t. Chairman Mao
>>1222005
Constantine the """"Great""""
Stalin. He's one of the very few bad guys in history that managed to get away with his crimes.
>>1222005
Enver Pasha
>>1222093
>Cromwell.
Why is he hated? Because he promised freedomz and instead became a total tyrant?
>>1222155
He showed signs of compassion in his private life
Empress Dowager Qixi
Pol Pot did nothing wrong
t. Chomsky
>>1222005
Vlad the Pimpaler
Mohammed
>>1222354
>He showed signs of compassion in his private life
Ya and he sent people to the fucking gulags just cause
>>1222502
he's a pretty cool guy desu
>>1222564
He was.
But his ideology created one of the most important world civilizations.
A plague to the modern world though.
>>1222351
He was literally the fucking Grinch, he near enough banned Christmas. He took religious conservatism to a new level, pretty much calling fun heresy and stomping on everybody's good time because he was an ugly autist. He wouldn't even let his own artist make him look nice in pictures. Not to mention he kind of tried to genocide the Irish.
>>1222096
Are you some sort of fuckin commie?
>>1222354
He did however decide to purge his armies after WW2 because he was worried about them having too much power, effectively killing the people who saved the country.
>>1222596
>anyone who tries to genocide Irish
>bad
>>1222351
Fairfax was the better Republican leader. Plus Cromwell literally genocided Irish Catholics.
>>1222585
Only through Wahhabism and inter-sect violence. Shit wasn't even a problem before we carved up Afghanistan with the help of Russia. So if modern Islam is a plague of the modern world, western interventionism is certainly associated.
Remember, hill folk will always be hill folk. And Christianity got most of their bloody, inter-sect violence done way earlier, being an older religion and all.
>>1222096
>you
>>1222598
Even most commies hate Pol Pot
>>1222613
I see your point there.
Himmler
>>1222639
>Hey dude, look. I posted a picture of an overweight dysfunctional male. That's you! H-haha! Looks like your argument just got rekt!
Not the guy you're replying to but seriously get off /his/ you literal child.
>>1222096
What's up Noam?
>>1222842
You sound like an autist
>>1222005
I can't come up with a pick OTTOMH anon, but I like the Pol Pot OP.
I did read just a little bit about him on wiki recently, and I noticed before you made this thread that there was nothing sympathetic in his personhood to latch onto, that I noticed at a skim anyway. Even the CCP presents a romantic image of actually Long-Marching and winning, eventually, hanging together. A mafia that still exists, if you will. A coherent, surviving brand.
Skimming the wiki again while preparing this post, I notice his (Pot's) academic failures and his privilege of French education, which he promptly visited back on his country. More opacity. Less bullet-point reasons to like. Confirmation bias, basically.
As for the circumstances of his death, I do specifically remember being a young teenager in America and hearing of this very evil person named "Pol Pot" who had totally escaped comeuppance and passed away peacefully in his sleep, lovingly surrounded by his family. That's the bullet-point spin I remember; this was just before the internet was a serious force in media. Wiki suggests more detail and theories about manner of death these days.
>>1222005
Stalin wasn't unlikable, just aggressive.
Sources from the US and USSR suggest he was personable and generally affable, going so far as to jokingly bring flowers to an official who mistakenly believed he was about to be purged. He really was devoted to the socialist cause, but believed that imperialism was necessary to create a global socialist society.
>>1222096
Was he actually a socialist or just a Kim-style autocrat? From what I can tell, Pol Pot was only concerned with maximizing his own power.
>>1222093
Cromwell was a shit but he helped prevent England from becoming Protestant ISIS
>>1222989
That's not really right. He kept himself mostly hidden throughout the regime and attempted to build the opposite of a personality cult.
>>1222613
The only problem is if you fail to totally genocide a particular people they usually breed like rabbits afterwards
>Total population: 70–80 million worldwide
>>1224629
So wouldn't that make him more likable than Stalin or the likes?
>>1222354
I would expect that almost all of even the most justifiably hated and damaging people in all of human history were capable of compassion, almost everyone is. It doesn't mean anything.
I'd probably agree with Pol Pot, or some obscure monarch from antiquity who was allowed to ruin his kingdom because of "muh divine right"
Prior to the 20th century it wasn't even feasible for one man to be responsible for halving his nation's population and dooming them to falling behind the curve in the geopolitical race to power forever. Really, what kind of fucking asshole kills off people with glasses because of suspicion that they'd be subversive intellectuals? Stalin, Mao, Chavez even the Kims have sympathetic qualities and did some modicum of good for their country.
>>1222005
Mother Theresa
John "Faggot" Paul the 2nd - Demon, Paedophile, Servant of Satan(his official titles) also CIA agent but you could get it from him being SoS.
Kaiser "Autism" Wilhelm.
McArthur
Obama.
>>1224860
>there are people who hate PJPII
get the fuck out of here
>>1224866
Literally destroyed the church for the sake of selling intel to CIA.
>>1222096
>Oh no! The Capitalists are being imperialists and we need to change our society in order to effectively resist them!
>I know! Let's commit national genocide of everyone but illiterate peasants! That'll help keep our country strong!
Your logic is flawed, troll.
>>1224828
Define "likable", because Stalin is loved at least ironically by dozens of millions. He was definitely charismatic and sympathetic despite all the shit he did.
>>1222005
>Who is your vote for most unlikeable person in history?
Oskar Dirlewanger. Literally the worst person to ever have existed on this planet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oskar_Dirlewanger
>>1224860
Get out of here uncritical hick
>>1224903
>"The unit was assigned to security duties first in German-occupied Poland (General Government), where Dirlewanger served as an SS-TV commandant of a labour camp at Stary Dzików. The camp was a subject of an abuse investigation by the SS judge Georg Konrad Morgen, who accused Dirlewanger of wanton acts of murder, corruption and Rassenschande or race defilement (Morgen consequently himself got reduced in rank and sent to the Eastern Front).[21] According to Morgen, "Dirlewanger was a nuisance and a terror to the entire population. He repeatedly pillaged the ghetto in Lublin, extorting ransoms." Atrocities committed by Dirlewanger included injecting strychnine into young Jewish female prisoners, previously undressed and whipped, to watch them convulse to death in front of him and his friends for entertainment.[22]"
>In January 1942, however, the local Higher SS and Police Leader, SS-Obergruppenführer Friedrich-Wilhelm Krüger threatened: "[Unless] this bunch of criminals disappears from the General Government within a week, I will go myself and lock them up."[29]
Yfw the guy was so fucking insane and cruel, that even the upper echelons of the SS wanted to remove him.
>>1224903
>a glorified serial killer
>compared to a man who killed 50% of his own people
yeah, nah
>>1224920
OP said who is the most unlikeable, not who had the highest K/D ratio.
anyone who had a problem with the civil rights act of 1964
>>1224924
but if you're comparing two people who have the same wanton, destructive temperament, obviously the more destructive one is worse
>>1224928
and 1965
>>1222096
>Unironcially defends Pol Pot
Why are gommies so hypocritical?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Empress_Lü_Zhi
You know you're an evil bitch when your own son drank himself to death out of shame and his other relatives are all dead because you tortured and murdered them despite your son's best efforts to prevent that.
>>1224939
this won't get a response other than cartoon pigs
>>1224930
I don't agree tbqh. Because I sincerely doubt Stalin or Pol Pot personally injected strychnine into teenage women himself, just to watch them writhe to death.
While I agree that Stalin and Pol Pot were horrible people, it's hard to actually quantify evil deeds. I mean, I think evil can have different aspects.
Honourable mentions: Christopher Columbus, Fransico Pizzaro and/or Herman Cortrez. By all accounts these guys were very unlikable, not even for SJW shit. Reading Columbus' diary paints an unpleasant picture of an egotistical and opportunistic prick who didn't give a shit about anybody but himself.
Josef Stalin though hands down. He's even fucking worse than Western history teaches. I will never understand how he was able to command such loyalties from the military and politburo despite wronging so many across so many different stratas.
>>1224909
>my butt totally isn't hurt
>>1224968
Is personally killing someone as bad as indirectly killing 1000 people, in equally or more severely gruesome ways? "Evil" which is in itself a heinously emotional layman term of course cannot be measured objectively, but you can look at the fate of the lands chewed up by unpleasant men like these. The most parched, damaged soil is the one to which the most "evil" has been inflicted, all things otherwise equal.
Russia, Germany, Central Europe and China all have a reasonably high standard of living, while Cambodia is a third world shithole. Therefore, one can crudely measure that Pol Pot was the worst leader and the most generally destructive person of those being considered.
>>1224970
>Honourable mentions: Christopher Columbus
Columbus was actually against native exploitation.
He mostly cared about him getting all the glory from finding the Garden of Eden, but he wasn't a monster of any kind. You can find such self-absorbed retards everywhere, from technology(Bob Widlar) to military(Luigi Cadorna).
>>1224978
You're right, I get upset at the existence of willfully ignorant morons such as yourself. I really wish people like you didn't exist, or at least they had the self-awareness to overcome their deluded ways, but that's not possible so I'm left with them shitting up this world for everyone else.
>>1224993
The only moron here is the guy who can't even tell what made him butthurt in my post.
>>1224982
I agree that he has caused overall more harm.
But someone like Oskar Dirlewanger makes me squirm more, I have to say.
>>1224998
When you list *Obama* as among the "most evil people in history," I can already tell exactly what sort of person you are.
>>1224999
There is no shortage of mentally deranged drug-fueled fuckups in the historical record, Dirlewanger only had the fortune to be supplied with an outlet in a fashion that was more conducive to mass death than someone like Dahmer was. Without WWII he would have been bagged for chopping up prostitutes in an alley.
>>1225002
He's a hidden Shia plant m8, he helped Iran to get the international community sedated and work on their nukes in concealment.
Shias believe that you can speed up the coming of Mahdi, you just have to create apocalyptical conditions, that's why you should never let Shia muslims near WMD's(all muslims to be honest but Shiites are especially retarded when it comes to this stuff).
Billions of people are going to die because of his hidden agenda.
>ctrl f
>no Ivan the Terrible
Also, I'd like to put forth Gengis Khan and Napoleon. Gengis for the untold millions he brought apocalyptic suffering to and Napoleon for meglomaniacal control that caused a lot of suffering for pretty much no justifiable reason
>inb4 Khan was great to people who submitted
True, but that doesn't change the millions of innocents whose slaughtered he condoned or directly participated in.
>>1225019
B-but Sunnis did 9/11...
No idea, but it sure as hell wasn't any leader like Pol Pot. He may have been the most HORRIBLE person in history, but if he was genuinely UNLIKABLE, he would never have achieved what he did.
>>1225027
Because Shiites feel that it's shameful to even walk on the infidel's soil. They fund a lot of terrorist organisations in areas where there are some Shia minorities, think Lebanon or Syria.
Iran by itself is basically bound to fire a nuke into Israel once they'll get one because they're ruled by batshit insane clergy living in their own world and they know that the best way to speed Mahdi up is to start nuclear Armageddon
Sunnis in comparison, want to "just" kill the infidels. Which is why they engage into terrorism outside of middle-east.
>>1222155
>muh 100 gorillion
>>1225019
How the fuck is he a Shia implant? His father was a Sunni, for Gods sake
>>1225010
Sure, but I still find it slightly more disturbing that a person is capable of doing things like that with their own actions, while giving an order is something anyone can do.
Presumably Barack Obama is what we would call a normally moral person, and yet he orders probably several people to be drone striked a week.
>>1225019
Iran isn't actually building nukes dumby. What 99% of people fail to realise is that the CIA has never explicitly stated that Iran is building nukes and all those scientists the Mossad keeps killing? No proof either that they are working on nukes.
America is just terrified that Iran may get nukes and shift the balance of power away from the American-Israel-Saudi domination of the region - EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING
After Iraq, I figured Americans would have fucking learned to give international intelligence agencies claiming an international pariah has WMDs a skeptical side eye but fuck we just can't help ourselves can we?
FDR
>>1225052
He had and has more contacts with shiites though.
For muslims picking different sect of islam is not really favourable but it isn't heavily discouraged either, outside of Saudi Arabia and other places like this. So muslims are typically the part of the sect they have most contact with, fund Salafi mosque near some muslim minority and they'll be all Salafists, fund Shia mosque and they'll be shias which is how Wahhabism has spread.
>>1222005
Agreed. He truly was the only ruler in history (that I'm aware of) who actually wanted to abolish all forms of fun.
>>1225060
Actually I changed my mind. LBJ
>>1222155
>tfw he died in his sleep
Why didn't the Soviet military go full on Praetorian guard with him? Were people really that terrified of him? He's a single man, what can he do against all of them?
>>1225022
>Napoleon
>a bad guy
"no"
>>1225074
>implying that tito didn't fulfil his promise
>>1225019
>Shias believe that you can speed up the coming of Mahdi, you just have to create apocalyptical conditions, that's why you should never let Shia muslims near WMD's(all muslims to be honest but Shiites are especially retarded when it comes to this stuff).
I think you're mistaking them for American protestants and their political and financial support of Israel in hope of bring about the Second Coming.
>>1222351
>>1222613
>>1222615
>irish genocide meme
You know that's actually fact right? The Irish confederacy allied with the fleeing Royalists who hid in Ireland. The people he killed were overwhelmingly English soldiers and a few locally raised militias of Irish citizens. The reason it was so fucking bad is that is disrupted farming and resulted in a famine as well as an outbreak of bubonic plague.
The English didn't genocide the fucking Irish. Pure fucking fantasy.
>>1225088
>*actually NOT fact, right?
For fuck's sake, oh well post ruined.
>>1225075
>starting wars for no reason
>>1225096
t. dirty fucking ancien régime pleb
>>1224860
>proddy shit
>>1225077
Tito was shit compared to Stalin.
>>1222096
>Pol Pot was nowhere near as crazy as people make him out.
>literally waged genocide against "the intellectuals"
pick one
Reinhard Lonhengramm
>>1225670
>liking a beta faggot known as Yang
>>1225674
I'll Yang AKA Intergalactic Cincinnatus himself anyday over repressed homosexual space Napoleon
>>1225684
Bullshit, Lonhengramm is the greatest.
>>1225582
he l i t e r a l l y murdered stalin
Pol Pot was a fucked individual.
>pic from when I visited the killing fields
>>1225944
what the fuck
do they just let the skulls there?
how disrespectful
>>1225975
>implying it's more disrespectful to let the skulls rot in the ground in the mass graves
I don't know man, he had an army of lolis and shotas
The man had a plan
>>1225992
>kids wanting to fight and die
>killing adults and shit
I don't like this, I don't like what this implies, why didn't the kids kill Pol Pot?
>>1225975
Yea, its a big ass tower filled with around 4000 skulls
>>1226000
Kids are pieces of shit
See Mao's Cultural Revolution
>>1226006
I know kids are pieces of shit, I'm asking what happens if the country cannabises itself and now it's children running the whole damn country.
>>1226005
And lets not forget the death prison S21.
>Something like 15000 people died here.
>>1226000
This to me is the most fucked up thing about the Khmer Rouge. To take kids, which are so easily impressionable, and to manipulate them into killing machines, to the point of killing their own parents is truly horrible. As far as I know of no other modern day ruler has ever specifically singled out children like Pol Pot.
>>1226015
Why didn't the kids kill Pol Pot? Isn't he living up life like the glorious leader?
That feel when you realize all the historical leaders and revolutionaries were the historical equivalents to those obnoxious college jerks who are kinda weird but good looking and have some chicks around them all the time, then evetually gather some following because of their persistence on social networks and college groups. You think they'll never make it and delete them from FB because of their cringey statuses, horrible slam poetry and comments, but they emerge on some popular news website 2 years later being interviewed, taken seriously and have 3500 followers on Twitter with their hobbies being mentioned as 'writes poetry', 'is published author', 'memeber of 20 organizations' while you smirk, roll your eyes and continue reading Kant, Schopenhauer, Heidegger and Clausewitz deep down knowing the face you put out and things you say to other inferior human plebs don't matter and that the only real struggle is within.
>>1226027
kids are stupid
>>1226027
I assume it goes back to the whole brainwashing them while they are young. I doubt they ever sought to ask questions, or come to their own conclusions, only do as they were told.
>>1225019
Sheeit, are we gonna bomb Iran tomorrow?
>>1226045
Khmer Rouge was truly fucked.
You should check out this film, I think it may be on youtube
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enemies_of_the_People_%28film%29
>>1226068
They also held out and performed guerrilla operations until something like '99
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khmer_Rouge#Fall
More fucked up than all of this is the fact that even after the fall of Democratic Kampuchea, and the atrocities had become public. They kept their seat on the UN council because we (the US) was still mad about Vietnam.
>>1222005
Why does it sound like he's named after soup?
>>1226261
It's the Pot part of his name.
>>1226399
I mean he was a real Hot head.
>>1226261
https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poule_au_pot
>>1222005
>his personal life is shrouded in alot of mystery so you dont really get a feel for him as a person
Interestingly, journalists who actually interviewed him said that on a personal level, he was actually VERY likeable. He was (or at least came off as) genuinely nice, and that unlike with most dictators, you couldn't really "see the evil" behind his demeanor. They say it was really jarring. From what I can tell about him, I think he was genuinely delusional and believed he was doing good for his country.
That being said, his regime is the only one I can think of where simply living under it (as opposed to being sent to Tuol Sleng or the like) was enough to give a huge chunk of the country's population PTSD, so I still have to go with your vote.
>>1222688
Even Enver Hoxha wrote a piece about how much Democratic Kampuchea fucking sucked dick.
>>1226505
Who actually lived to write about him?
>be britfag
>love marxism
>talk about how great democratic kampuchea is
>go visit it in order to show how awesome it is
>get geocided in the process
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malcolm_Caldwell#Murder_in_Cambodia
Further proof that all communist are insane.
I think Pol pot wins, but Cadorna at least deserves an honorable mention. I mean, this bastard made the austro-Hungarian generals look good in comparison.
>>1222351
He didnt kill enough irish
As for most unlikeable as a person, probably either Charles I, Robert Mugabe, or akenatan.
>>1226568
>supporting the CoE
>>1226578
>allowing papist potato fuckers to survive, only to come back and bomb our nightclubs
>>1226540
Holy fuck this is the greatest piece of irony I have ever read.
>>1222129
Maximus go and stay go. The tetrachy was fucked as soon as Diocletian abdicated
>>1225059
>American-Israel-Saudi domination of the region - EVEN THOUGH THERE IS NO PROOF THAT IS WHAT THEY ARE DOING
This is where you went wrong. Iran most definitely wants to exert its influence on the region. It's financial support of Hamas and Hezbollah shows enough that it has ambitions of expanding its political influence.
>>1226592
>killing micks to begin with
>not leaving them alone
>colonize THE MOST CATHOLIC ZONE of Ireland
>doesn't expect it to literally fucking blow up in there face
Fuck you, enjoy your "women" priest.
>>1226616
>defying your king
>surprised when we come and start killing micks
O'neill, Desmond and Fitzmaurice etc. sealed their fates, as well as the irish revolt which caused enough tension to start the ECW in the first place.
Enjoy being cucked by francis and vatican II.
>>1226638
>defying your king
The King was Irish now?
>>1226638
Then don't touch the Island.
>Francis
>not a literal pushover who'll do nothing at all during his run as the Pope
>no changes in the dogma
>nothing
>even saying faggots are faggots
>reading from the headlines
>>1226644
Conquered ireland in 1171, and became king in the 1540s(?)
>>1226648
English were meant to unite the british isles under one banner, rebellious papists weakened us against the french and habsburgs. If you hadnt been ruled by us, you would have been ruled by the habsburgs most likely.
>defending francis
>not acknowledging that vatican ii was 50 years ago
Catholicism is barely recognisable, its basically anglicanism with papal supremacy now anyway.
>>1226540
https://espressostalinist.com/2011/10/26/enver-hoxha-on-pol-pot/
>>1226665
I'm not a mick.
>Vatican II
I have no qualms and I don't care about it.
>defending the Pope
He's literally going to do nothing. N o t h i n g.
>>1226665
>Catholicism is barely recognizable
It's the largest religious denomination in the world...
>>1225075
t. retard who doesn't realize that of the 7 wars napoleon was involved in 5 of them were declared on him
t. retard who buys anglo propaganda
t. supporter of absolute monarchy and opponent of republican ideals
>>1226679
>What do you think that says about it?
That literally, l i t e r a l l y nothing is going to happen.
>>1226683
I never said anything was. However, he still ended up the leader of the largest denomination of christianity.
>>1226687
Yeah, because of the faggot pedophiles getting upset that BASED Benedict XVI was removing them.
>>1222351
Cromwell created a Christian Taliban.
Boys caught playing football/soccer were whipped. Soldiers breaking into people's homes on Christmas eve to steal their goose right out of their kitchen hearths because they thought Christmas was a pagan holiday. Women caught wearing make up were beaten. Even going for a leisurely stroll on a Sunday resulted in hefty fines. Any act of artistic expression was suppressed, inns and theaters were shut down. Swearing could result in jail time. All feast days were banned and in their place there was a monthly fast day. Colorful clothing was banned.
And despite all these repressions Oliver Cromwell was a flaming hypocrite who enjoyed all the finer things in life as much as the guy he zealously threw in jail for doing the same thing.
Oliver Cromwell is a legitimate contender for OP's question of history's most unlikable person. He literally hated fun.
>>1225119
>Explain why America got so many goddamn Micks in the country
The Potato Blight was centuries after Cromwell.
>why Ulster is now a protestant shithole. It's because of his actions.
King James I started the Plantation of Ulster -- almost half a century before the English Civil War.
Is this an example of Irish education?
>>1226712
>The Potato Blight was centuries after Cromwell.
His actions started shit.
Again, I ain't a finnegan guinness drinking faggot that jerks off to potato.
>>1226727
>His invasion of Ireland caused a the Potato Blight a few centuries later and also started the Plantation of Ulster even though that was already underway 40 years before the English Civil War.
>Again, I ain't a finnegan guinness drinking faggot that jerks off to potato.
You're clearly drunk, Mick O'Potato.
>>1226747
I ain't a fucking Mick.
Stalin, Hitler etc. were evil and all but they weren't really unlikeable. They couldn't have got where they got without some charisma.
In terms of genuinely unlikeable I would say maybe Charles I. Unlike the French revolution where they had made their mind up to kill the king no matter what, no one really wanted to kill Charles I.
They just wanted to reinstate him with a few reforms but he was such a jerkoff he made that impossible, and then he carried on being such an incredible dick at his trial they were pretty much forced to kill him.
>>1226705
I've read that it wasn't actually Cromwell who did stuff like that, rather it was some of his subordinates that Cromwell couldn't control.
>>1226782
first rule of leadership is that it's always your fault
It'd have to be Cassius or Brutus
>>1225041
Absolute shit tier analysis.
Any assassin of a beloved leader/figure, people like Robert Ford or Oswald or Booth or Brutus or whatever
>>1225582
>implying Tito was not the most based dictator of the 20th century
>>1226922
That isn't Franco, nor is that Salazar.
>>1226607
Iran not only supports Hezbollah against the Israelis and Sunni rebels in Syria and Hamas against Israel. They're also supporting the Shiite Houthi rebels in Yemen against the Yemeni government, propping up Shiite militias and taking part in fighting in both Syria and Iraq, and are very active in trying to undermine Sunni states in the Gulf (Saudi Arabia, Bahrain). On top of all of that, they're supporting the Taliban against NATO forces.
It's funny how they complain about the amount of American influence in the region even though they're foreign policy is way more aggressive than America's.
>>1225019
>This calibre of tinfoil fuckwits inhabit this board
Don't you have low-traffic netscape websites that look like they were designed in the 90's that proclaim to be about 'the truth' to be hosting and moderating?
>>1226957
>supporting people who ideologically agree with you in countries that border or almost border you is less aggressive than bombing people on the other side of the world to support random groups that don't like you at all
this is what neo-cons and Jews actually believe
>>1225582
Butthurt serb
>>1226015
Many African leaders have done this
>>1226540
>one extreme example proves that millions of people are insane
>>1222361
That woman gives me the creeps. What a manipulative bitch
>>1226261
>Why does it sound like he's named after soup?
Because it's short for Political Potential, which is what the French Marxist intellectuals called him.
>>1226773
Story time. Tell us how he was a dick.
>>1227037
But it's Africa so nobody cares
>>1225088
What is true is most of the victims of Cromwell's military massacres were Wnglish Royalists stationed in ireland
What is more complicated and is actually the lasting legacy in Ireland is he instituted more severe penal laws against the Gaelic Irish and ethnically cleansed many of them from their lands "To hell or Connaught" so he could give it to his loyal British subjects
>>1226556
What did he do?
>>1222596
>that pop history shit again
almost all that you described happened during the rule of the mayor generals, when Cromwell put his officers in charge of much of the country. this lasted for less then a year, when Cromwell realized these guys were nuts and fired them. for the rest of his career he promoted freedom of religion and constitutional monarchy based on the Dutch model.
>>1222005
Stalin was actually quite likable in person, he is said to have had a good sense of humor and was fun at parties when he wasn't genociding millions.
>>1222985
>he brought flowers to an official who mistakenly believed he was about to be purged
The fact that the purges exist make it hard for me to believe that he's a good person
>>1224870
Dude just how fucking autistic are you
>>1222005
heh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VVadWk7ufZs
but yeah, we're talking about a guy who decided who mated with who inside his party ranks
and when you rule over your subjects romantic relations you pretty much rule their bodies and minds as you wish - get to decide where someone puts his dick is the ultimate form of control
also, it seems he didn't have a grand plan besides being a shitty china clone
![pussy-riot-ap215830723297[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/1z3ciX9.jpg "pussy-riot-ap215830723297[1].jpg")
>>1224901
>tfw kills millions of his own people
>makes ukraine go through a massive hunger wave
>a few decades after his death, those who have their grandparents, parents or relatives killed by him are now praising him as the best russia had to offer and when you bring genocide and mass murder to the discussion the first thing they say is that he was being poorly influenced by his counselors or that he didn't know anything about it and gulags and similar were the idea of his subordinates who keep it in the dark so he didn't know anything about it
i mean, i know russian are stupid as fuck but can they be this fucking stupid? even with brainwashing propaganda you can still keep your critical thinking
>link related: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WNB3N6DWVTs
cossacks (that were almost entirely destroyed by stalin) licking putin's balls (a stalin sympathizer/ex-kgb who wants to bring back the ussr/russian empire)
>>1225022
>spot the ignorant british
>>1222005
Qin Xhi Huang Di was like Alexander the Great who really hated philosophy
Seriously guys, what's up with the "the only historical figures are rulers" autism?
My vote is for Alma Mahler.
>>1228450
Qin Shi Huangdi's history is shitted up by later dynasties.
But among the plebs we will never fucking know if he was hated. Consider that
1) He abolished slavery.
2) He BTFO the feudal nobility.
3) He fostered meritocracy.
That same nobility returned to power during the Han Dynasty having to share authority with Civil Servants. Guess how they'll paint Qin Shi Huangdi then.
>>1228426
Stalin, despite being evil, was an amazing blessing to most Russians. They see him as the man who saved them from annihilation and turned the USSR into a world power
>>1228469
Good choice
I always associate her with Molly Bloom
>>1222096
As far as I know Cambodia wasn't just Commies vs. evil Americans.
Didn't they have a largely popular king before that, that they even elected him president after they became a republic? And wasn't Mao-backed Pol-pot also at war with Soviet-Vietnamese supported Socialists?
Nobody else?
>>1225060
Nobody agrees because you are extremely wrong.
>>1222613
t. BEADY
>>1226665
The term 'British Isles' didn't exist until 1577 when it was coined by John Dee, centuries after the Normans invaded Ireland.
Also,
>hapsburgs
>bad
>>1228665
yeah, that's pretty much how dictatorships work.
they need to offer something that wasn't available before: protection, wealth or a messianic path to somewhere.
thing is they work like mobsters so to get what you think you need, you'll have to gave away all your personal freedoms to the point it becomes a deal with the devil... but all dictators had something good and that's the reason why they were elected in first place/supported after a coup but the problem is everything else
![Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-S73495,_Oskar_Dirlewanger[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/rg5hbJo.jpg "Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-S73495,_Oskar_Dirlewanger[1].jpg")
>>1228829
>babby's first crimes against humanity
get on this guy level or go home
>>1222005
My short list:
Emporer Caligula. (Legendary Pervert. Looted temples of roman empire.
Pontus Pilot
(Kills Jesus)
Lord Haw Haw
(Pro nazi propaganda)
Prince John
( prince john doesnt deserve his infamy. He dindu nuffin. He had to pay for brotherz war wiff taxes. Blame his bros crusade for taxes.)
>>1229381
this is a stupid list
>>1222096
>it's a "tankie goes ham and defends Pol Pot, impeding genuine socialist efforts" episode
>>1229381
You're a cretin.
Pol Pot must not have been too bad because I have never heard of him.
>>1230221
>being retarded
>>1230326
>Pinochet
Fuck you, Pinochet was a good boy.
>>1224860
>John "Faggot" Paul the 2nd - Demon, Paedophile, Servant of Satan(his official titles) also CIA agent but you could get it from him being SoS.
please elaborate my man
>>1224903
you'd think that, but only because you haven't heard of Klaus Barbie ;)
>>1225019
LMAO THIS NIGGA
>>1225674
>beta faggot
>LITERALLY beat reinhard in every single engagement
>NEVER lost a single battle
>respected by both the Kaiser and his most revered commanders, including Kircheis
you're embarrassing yourself
>>1224903
Polandball detected
>>1225694
is that why he lost every single battle to yang?
Reichcucks are literal subhumans desu.
I love reinhard, love his character, definitely respect him as an emperor. he's nothing like napoleon desu.
but if you're the kind of person that can't even respect the Yang you're just scum .
>>1226034
do you honestly feel like that? that's sad dude.
i started listening to cpt beefheart and reading rilke in high school and i was still one of the popular kids.
>>1226928
both of those are shit-tier
worst taste itt my friend
>>1230452
>being a commie
Go get shot you faggot.
>>1230331
>pinochet dindu nuffin
>muh helicopter rides xD
>look @ venezuela!!
why don't you go back to /b/ you meme loving subhuman
>>1230478
Are you saying Chile is bad?
>>1230458
>franco is a shit tier dictator
>means i'm a communist
embarrassing
you have shit taste, just accept it
>>1230484
what does that question even mean? can you form an actual sentence if you want a response?
i don't think chile is in a bad situation. and it's all thanks to his successors like merino and busch (whos name you probably aren't even familiar with)
pinochets economical policies failed terribly. probably worse than what socialism did to venezuela. not even to begin of his personal problems..
i haven't been to chile yet, so i can't really say how "bad" it is. probably doing better than most latin american countries if you ask me.
>>1230487
>Franco literally protects the Catholic faith
>bad
>>1230508
LMAO are you serious dude? out of ALL the aspects of Francos reign you want to talk about fucking religion?
you're aware that a lot of priests tried to resist Franco and hid republicans?
Spain is so fucking catholic it could have NEVER been shattered, Franco or not. He's completely irrelevant in that regard. Even had the republicans won Spain would still be excusively catholic today.
man, you really are retarded. I haven't actually laughed out at a post on 4chan in a long time, thanks man
>>1230548
>supporting anarchists murdering priests
Please die.
>>1230506
>pinochets economical policies failed terribly. probably worse than what socialism did to venezuela. not even to begin of his personal problems..
Are you retarded? Pinochet's policies have been followed by the current Chilean goverments giving great results. Chile's economy was crap during Pinochet,because Allende killed every productove sector in the economy,with a monthly inflation rate of 20%,reaching 600% inflation in 3 years. After having such a retarded ruler is normal to have a shit economy. If we go by unemployment and inflation alone,Pinochet did fine,and if we see his policies in the long run have worked greatly.
On the other hand Venezuela is having shortages,like what happened under Allende.
>>1230548
Franco brought the biggest period of growth in Spain's history since god knows when. Unemployment was 13% tops(only due tge civil war) and the average unemployment rate was around 7% in all his years in power,and debt was almost none existant. If you compare that to current Spain you will see how "bad" Franco was for Spain
>>1230556
i never said nor implied that
>REEE EVERYONE WHO DISAGREES IS AN ANARCHIST
p a t h e t i c
>>1230598
hey man you actually brought forward a good argument i can respect that
>>1230575
>implying economic growth had anything to do with pinochet himself and not the fact that he PATHETICALLY clung onto the chicago boys in order to stay relevant:
With Chileans cowed, the Chicago Boys could work as if in a laboratory, with no regard for social costs. They made mistakes: a fixed exchange rate and unregulated bank privatisations triggered a massive recession and financial collapse in 1982-83. More pragmatic policies and a renewal of growth followed. But it took the return of democracy in 1990, with its ability to bestow legitimacy, to create an investment-led boom and a large fall in poverty. Elsewhere in Latin America, free-market reforms were enacted by democracies.
>implying inflation rates didn't initially sink because the relations to the USA improved
The reforms were continued and strengthened after 1990 by the post-Pinochet center government of Patricio Aylwin's Christian Democrats.[3] However, the center-left government of Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle also made a commitment to poverty reduction. In 1988, 48% of Chileans lived below the poverty line. By 2000 this had been reduced to 20%. The 1990s center-left governments implemented a 17% increase in the minimum wage, a 210% increase in social spending targeted at the low-income sectors of the population, and across the board tax increases, reversing the Pinochet tax cuts of 1988 and taxing an additional 3% of the country's GDP into government coffers. A 2004 World Bank report attributed 60% of Chile's 1990's poverty reduction to economic growth, and claimed that government programs aimed at poverty alleviation accounted for the rest.[4]
nothing fucking happened until pinochet bit the dust.
stop glorifying someone who literally didnt do shit.
>>1230680
>With Chileans cowed, the Chicago Boys could work as if in a laboratory, with no regard for social costs. They made mistakes: a fixed exchange rate and unregulated bank privatisations triggered a massive recession and financial collapse in 1982-83.
It was a global crisis
> More pragmatic policies and a renewal of growth followed. But it took the return of democracy in 1990, with its ability to bestow legitimacy, to create an investment-led boom and a large fall in poverty. Elsewhere in Latin America, free-market reforms were enacted by democracies
True,but Pinochet saved Chile from becoming Venezuela on steroids. Not even Maduro is doing as bad as Allende was.
>>implying inflation rates didn't initially sink because the relations to the USA improved
No. Allende put tariffs at 85% and was expropiating huge chinks of the GDP each month. Inflation was more than expected with his reforms
>The reforms were continued and strengthened after 1990 by the post-Pinochet center government of Patricio Aylwin's Christian Democrats.[3] However, the center-left government of Eduardo Frei Ruiz-Tagle also made a commitment to poverty reduction. In 1988, 48% of Chileans lived below the poverty line. By 2000 this had been reduced to 20%. The 1990s center-left governments implemented a 17% increase in the minimum wage, a 210% increase in social spending targeted at the low-income sectors of the population, and across the board tax increases, reversing the Pinochet tax cuts of 1988 and taxing an additional 3% of the country's GDP into government coffers. A 2004 World Bank report attributed 60% of Chile's 1990's poverty reduction to economic growth, and claimed that government programs aimed at poverty alleviation accounted for the rest.[4]
>nothing fucking happened until pinochet bit the dust.
Allende was overthrown,and the economic model stayed. Chile still has the one of the most open market economies in the world,and that was never the case in Chile until Pinochet.
>>1230680
>p a t h e t i c
>said the man supporting the "Republic"
>>1230718
i don't support the republicans, the anarchists or the franco regime
>you're either black or white
actually embarrassing
>>1230716
>True,but Pinochet saved Chile from becoming Venezuela on steroids. Not even Maduro is doing as bad as Allende was.
we may never know what would have happened
>No. Allende put tariffs at 85% and was expropiating huge chinks of the GDP each month. Inflation was more than expected with his reforms
sure, allendes policies definitelyfurthered inflation. never disputed or doubted that, that's correct.
>Allende was overthrown,and the economic model stayed. Chile still has the one of the most open market economies in the world,and that was never the case in Chile until Pinochet.
what you're saying is not untrue, but you attributing the chile miracle to pinochet is literally just as dumb as attributing the wirtschaftswunder to the nazis.
he made a conscious decision to let other people take over completely, you can't give him credit for their success.
>>1230758
>being a dirty fence sitter
Fucking trash
>>1230776
this is /his/, not /sp/ you faggot
fuck off
>>1230822
>literally telling me that you don't pick sides ever
>>1230825
TEAM YANG WENLI
>>1225019
If this is not bait. U should seriously consider hanging yourself. The Ayatollah Khomeini himself issued a Fatwa(islamic law) against the production of nuclear weapons >Believes american propoganda that Iran is evil
>>1230978
>supporting a failure
>>1230995
>literally won every single battle
>undefeated
>actually strikes fear in reinhard's heart
>lover of history
>the most capable commander in the galaxy, beating the empire's forces even in desperate situations
how could anyone be LESS of a failure?
his greatest enemy considers him the greatest commander to ever live. THE ENEMY
>>1231006
>dead
No he's a failure.
>>1222096
dirty commie here, go 2 gulag faggot.
>>1231011
so Julius Caesar was a failure? Abraham Lincoln was a failure? Everyone who ever died was a failure?
Are you genuinely retarded?
>>1231068
They succeeded and everyone knows them
Yang didn't.
>>1228138
Cadorna probably was the most inept commander in WWI. He made the italian campaign into one of the worse clusterfucks of the war, fighting eleven battles on the river Isonzo, and causing the death of hundreds of thousands soldiers for no appreciable gain.
Also:
>"During the Battle of Caporetto, he ordered the summary execution of officers whose units retreated.[11] Six percent of Italian soldiers under his leadership faced a disciplinary charge during the war and 61 percent of them were found guilty. About 750 were executed, the highest number in any army in World War I.[12] Claims have been made that he also reintroduced the ancient Roman practice of decimation—the killing of every tenth man—for units which failed to perform in battle."
>>1231079
are you stupid? yang did succeed at the end. all he wanted was to establish a democratic republic again, which is EXACTLY what happens.
did we watch the same show?
>everyone knows them
I really just want you to kill yourself
everybody knows about Bill Clinton and Monica, does that make them successful?
what about actual cannibal Idi Amin?
>>1225019
Dude.
Iran loves the fact that they have nuclear powerplants. It's their equivalent of bragging about your dick size and girth.
Are you saying they'd go right ahead and chop their dick off to prove a point?
>>1229381
John Lackland Softsword totally deserved it.
He, by official accounts, was a stubborn, unlikable man with a very ahort temper and an irrational hatred of everyone who disagreed with him. What he did during Richard's reign is understandable, but when he came into power, he really let shit hit the fan. Yes, he had some initial successes with adminstration and diplomacy, but his later rule and general military incompetency, coupled with his personal flaws, made him deeply unlikable even to his most loyal subordinated.
I mean, you'd have to be an extremely unlikeable faggot to make even your allies hate you.
t. William Marshal
>>1232026
Idi Amin was a terrible person, but he almost certainly was not a cannibal.
Also, he was very, very likeable.
