Lets discuss in this thread what could have gone differently. I picked Willy as thread picture because i think the most intresting question would be a central powers victory. The german Reich was a serious superpower back then and a german victory would have had many intresting implications.
-How would colonialism play out in this timeline?
- What would happen with the countries that formed the soviet Union in OTL?
-In the light of german scientific superiority: What would have changed in technology? Would technological progress have been the same, slower or faster?
- what conflicts would have defined this worlds 20th century?
I am also open to discuss all other scenarios you please. Just refrain from /pol/Posting and anti-german shitposting turning this thread to shit.
> german victory
What kind of German Victory? Did they defeated the France asap and then forced Russia out of a war? Did Italy fight for Germany in this scenario?
>>1303066
I am open to all scenarios, i think a scenario where germany concentrates on russia first while taking a defensive stance against france and then manages to not pull the US in the war is the most realistic. Russia could have collapsed sooner against stronger forces freeing most of the troops for the western front. This would have allowed germany to feed itself with the agriculture of the Ukraine preventing the starvation of OTL.
Well if we take ww1 as it happened and just slap a German victory on it, by saying the Germans reached Paris somehow before the Americans landed in Europe and that the War simply ends there (which is unlikely).
Then there are a few things safe to say.
For one : The Blame of ww1 wouldn't been put on Germany but rather France.
Russia might also be a possibility, but France is just the most likely in all regards.
Another thing is : Germany would be a lot bigger, and I mean a lot, since our friend Willy over here really wanted France's colonies, like, all of them, and had he won, odds are he would have actually pushed for that claim and left France alone afterward.
Now without their colonies, France might suffer from an economic crisis, similar to, but not on the scale of, IRL Germany post ww1.
Regarding the USSR countries - surprisingly, Germany and Russia would most likely hold good relations still, as it was the Empire that enabled communism and funded the revolution.
Stalin might be a problem to friendly relations though.
Chances are also that Communism in general would find a lot more support in Europe, since Fascism would be largely considered pointless with Imperialism still fully functioning, and a lot of people who support democracy would most likely also support some kind of Communism or Socialism , due to the common political enemy of any monarch ever.
As for conflicts, I have genuinely no idea.
Maybe France trying to start ww2 in some capacity with their own version of Hitler.
Who knows?
>>1303034
A german victory and how that effects our timeline all depends on a few factors.
How much did Germany win WW1.
If it was a victory on the scale that the allies had in WW1 where they could not make any serious map changes with the exception of Danzig and what not then the map of Europe post WW1 would be similar to that of Pre-WW1 with the exception of Luxembourg and some parts of Belgium being annexed by Germany on the West. The biggest changed post-ww1 would be in Russia.
If Germany could have won even more on this front then we could see the complete disintegration of Russia with them losing parts of the Caucuses to the Ottomans (if the Ottomans still collapse in this timeline then the Caucuses either form a new nation as part of some treaty with Germany like Yugoslavia in our Timeline. Or if the Caucuses get their independance through nationalist revolutions we could see many smaller states appear in the Caucuses)
Eastern Europe would become even more independant than in our timeline where places like Ukraine were rapidly reabsorbed into the USSR. But in our timeline without the USSR or with Ukranian independance guaranteed by Germany then Eastern Europe looks allot like our Eastern Europe with the Notable exception of Poland that gets fully incorperated into Germany.
Thats just how Europe would look. Weather Germany destroys the empires of France and the UK like they destroyed Germanies all depends on again, how much Germany wins. We assume France would get the worst of the Peace Treaty so places like Algeria and other parts of their Colonial empire would likely given to Germany. But weather Britain has its Empire dissintrgrated depends on weather
A) A succesful Land invasion of Britain takes place (unlikely)
or
B) They attack the empire more directly by focusing their military to instead attack the voulnerable British Africa. (more likely if Britain does not surrender after the defeat of France
>>1303159
Intresting,i seriously doubt that socialism would spread as far as it did irl. No way germany would allow the soviets to annex the Ukraine.
>>1303163
In my opinion germany would have reached an agreement with GB. Frances colonies would have been enough to achieve the supposed place in the sun and i seriously doubt that germany would have continued WW1 if it was nearly as long and as costly as irl.
>>1303159
>Willy liking Russia
>After they shot Nicky
Never
In the event of German victory, no matter how they win, Germany would face massive internal problems- and that's not counting any territorial gains. Basically, the German Empire may have won the war but would risk loosing the peace due to internal strife caused by the war effort and concerns over the fact that the military took over the state during the war. Add in some revolts in the new territories and puppet states established from Russian territory (Assuming that the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk went through historically), and the German Empire would be in about as good a state as those it had defeated in the war.
Externally speaking, Germany would still have to fight in the various "thaw" conflicts after the war against Communist Revolutionaries and in the Balkans against nationalist forces in the Former Austro-Hungarian Empire
>>1303159
>Maybe France trying to start ww2 in some capacity with their own version of Hitler.
Or Britain, or most likely both. French revanchism after this scenario would be out of graphs, of course. But the main objective of the UK for the war was to prevent Germany from becoming the hegemonic power and this is obviously not achieved no matter how good are the terms for the british.
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Why its always: what will happen when Germany won?
Two other scenarios for AltHistory
>Allies balkanize Germany after war dividing it into smaller republics
>revolution failed and Russia keep fighting and come as member of victorius camp
>>1303034
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>>1303963
>communist France and Britain
>>1304038
This is greaat
>>1303034
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>>1303159
>For one : The Blame of ww1 wouldn't been put on Germany but rather France
Good luck with that without completly modifying facts
>>1304177
>bieng yhis much of a niger
>>1304177
Not him but I think that Russia and Serbia would be blamed.
>>1304022
>Allies balkanize Germany after war dividing it into smaller republics
Then WW2 wouldnt happen and the idea of a united Germany (which was very recent at the time) most likely end up remembered as a failed experiment
>revolution failed and Russia keep fighting and come as member of victorius camp
The Balkanization of Germany would almost certainly happen
With both France and Russia wanting it, Britain's opinion wouldnt weight enough to prevent it
>>1304177
You mean the fact, that Austria deliberately caused a conflict with Serbia
Or the fact that Russia mobilized at their borders before anyone even declared war
Maybe you're talking about the fact Germany tried to negotiate with Russia and Austria to cut back on the mutual aggression
Perhaps you're talking about the fact that France was provoking a conflict with Germany for decades
You might also possibly be referring to the fact that all of this started because of Serbian terrorists
Please anon, tell me which facts exactly you're referring to.
Because as I see it, the only reason people still blame Germany for the war, is because the allies did it in the Versailles treaty.
Had the Central powers won, the blame would have gone to the most prominent allied nation in the war - namely France.
>>1303034
>Lets discuss alt history
No
>>1304195
>Then WW2 wouldnt happen and the idea of a united Germany (which was very recent at the time) most likely end up remembered as a failed experiment
>mfw it will never happen
>>1304177
Have you ever heard about something called "history is written by the victors"?
Not to say does thing didn't happen, they did, but the Germans would surely tell a more "German friendly" version of it if they won. Maybe they would have said that Belgium left them no choice or something like that.
>>1303066
>Did Italy fight for Germany in this scenario?
You fool, Germany would lose the alt-history war if that were true
>>1304209
>Not to say does thing didn't happen, they did, but the Germans would surely tell a more "German friendly" version of it if they won.
You mean like we currently have with the mainstream German apologism about WW1
They definitly couldn't have modified the timeline of events to hide the fact they attacked first, so they'd just find "excuses" for their actions ("Le serbian terrorism", "Russia and France were going to attack us anyway, we simply reacted first"...etc)
Nothing much different from what we can see in every thread about WW1 in short
eastern europe would probably look something like this
I can't see ww1 ever ending without the total annihalation of one of the great powers. So, let's assume Germany crushes France, and britian stays out of the war, because really, they had no real interest in mainland europe except for the netherlands and belgium. So, russia is still in conflict with germany, so the bolshevik revolution would still occur, america wouldn't enter a solo war with germany on the western front without the help of britian.
Britian would really have been much better off and the war wouldn't be as bloody had they not declared war. Out of mutral iinterest, i doubt they would support one side over another. The provisional russian government would still sign the treaties nessicary to end the war on the western front.
After the war, britian and germany would remain great powers, with germany inheiriting french colonies. Italy would probably become communist. This would leave europe in a cold war with monarchism vs communism. This could bring america to join either side with interests in the cold war. Germany and britian would probably join with imp japan, with the ussr joining america in a giant pacific proxy war.
Tldr; monarchy vs communist cold war
>>1304341
In the event of Britain staying neutral, Italy would have either stayed neutral or attacked France for Corsica, Savoy, Tunisia, and Djibouti, so they'd be in pretty good shape. No Mussolini though, as the fascist movement was born from Mussolini's desire to gain Istria and Dalmatia from Austria
what would happen to britain's crown jool?
>>1304177
You're pretty dumb if you think a wiki screencap tells the whole story.
Hint: The declaration of war on Russia and France have a backstory. Not that Germany dindu nuffin, but there's enough material to spin a narrative that puts the blame on the Allies.
Let's just assume the US forces the blockade issue with the UK and continues selling stuff to Germany.
How differently does the war go just from this? The US will certainly not enter the war on the side of the Allies if nothing else. An unlikely scenario is the Allies cease purchasing from the Americans, but they were too reliant on American goods to function. And Germany ultimately lost the war because of overstretched supply lines, threat of famine, and the general collapse of the economy. Likely the economy faces hardships win or lose due to debt incurred from purchased from the US, just like the UK and France faced, but surely the flow of goods into Germany causes the war to go differently? Perhaps they do not win, but they lose less badly for sure.
Just play Kaiserreich mods of Darkest Hour
>Central powers win
>communism never takes off in Russia
>after the war we have syndicalist revolutions in Britain/France
>royals flee to Canada and run Empire from there
>>1306468
If the US keeps trading food the morale of the soldiers and civilians in Germany and AH would be much better certainly.
Another point is that without the American entry into the war the Germans can maybe play the long game. Instead of using the troops freed from Russia's collapse for a desperate all or nothing attack in the west (the spring offensive of 1918, which was necessary because the Germans knew that once the Americans would show up in higher numbers the war was lost), they could have tried to beat their enemies on the other secondary theaters - first the Balkans, then Italy - and thus free even more troops for the western front.
