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Do you agree with this Europe conception?
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Do you agree with this Europe conception?
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>Lorraine

Fuck off
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This ''Francia'' concept is born from Frankish Empire from Charlemagne (which some decades after originated both France and >Holy >Roman >Empire). That was the main reason Napoleon self-proclaimed Emperor.

There was a concept of 3 Europes: Frankish Europe, Byzanthine/Ottoman Europe, and Russian Europe, which lasted until World War I (then changed to capitalist Europe against communist Europe, then European Union).

About ''Francia'', it carolingian core was the following one:
-West Francia -> France
-East France -> >Holy >Roman >Empire ->Germany and Austria
-Middle Francia -> divided into 4 parts:
*Lorraine -> Benelux, Eastern France
*Burgundy -> Switzerland, southeastern France
*Italy -> North of Italy (Lombardy, Florence, Venice, Genoa, etc)
*Papal States -> Rome and Middle Italy

Then, that Francia had a periphery with the same culture and traditions:
-Spain -> Castille, Aragon and Portugal
-British Islands -> England, Scotland, Ireland
-Scandinavia -> Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Estonia
-Eastern Europe -> Prussia, Poland, Bohemia, Hungary, Croatia, Transylvania, Latia, Lithuania, Western Ukraine
-Outremer -> Crussader stuff (Israel, Cyprus, Crete, Thessalonica) (currently we could even be talking about Greece, Romania and Bulgaria)
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Pretty flawed 2bh

Just as a random example, Ireland had a lot more influence on Francia than vice versa
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>Russia and its neighbors are huge blobs because everything there is the same meme
>Borders there are painted according to 20th century events most people know instead of deeper historical data

You annoyed me enough to try to fix your shitty picture.

Names are arbitrary and borders are very approximate, though still more accurate than that travesty.
1. Northern Russia. Basically the lands originally influenced by Novgorod.
2. Muscovy or Southern Russia. The core of actual Russia.
3. Here be Finno-Ugrics. Could be extended to all the North through Karelia to Finland proper.
4. Volga Region, think Kazan Khanate, Khazars, Volga Bulghars and many other cultures that settled there. Tatars, Bashkirs and other people.
5. Urals.
6. Siberia.
7. Steppes. Anything goes there basically, anyone could settle, from Kalmykians to other Russians to Ukrainians to Adyghe to whatever. Belongs to whomever can hold its territories.
8. Ukraine. The whole South-Eastern region was only colonized fairly recently, thus it doesn't have any cultural tradition. It's more Westernized at its core than most people think. For example, Magdeburg rights there were quite widespread and up until 19th century it used Lithuanian statutes as the main legal codes.
9. Belarus. It's characterized by a very weak sense of national belonging but it's still a very homogeneous entity with extremely high Lithuanian influence.

I would actually do away with that shitty "Francia" in the Eastern Part of Europe all together but that's just too much work. At least it's better than Soviet meme borders.
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