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People you wish you could go back in time and save.
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>>1206625
George V?
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I would have Cassander killed in bed
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>>1206679
Read the filename, fuckwad
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Myself
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>>1206692
Fucking hell, lad, try to understand a joke.
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I always want a Jew wife
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>>1206690
THIS
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>>1206721
beat me to it
>>1206650
they would have always been a shit band no matter what you tried to do
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>>1206758
Stop parading around your illiteracy. If you don't know enough about a topic it's better to just shut the fuck up and let more educated people speak.
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Tenth Crusade when? Then, that's when.
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>>1206758
Franz Ferdinand were alright as far as contemporary British bands went.
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>>1206721
Her face is stupid
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>>1206692
>>1206714
Yee senpai, they wuz cuzinz.
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>>1206789
Shit, I fucked up the filename by two Louies. I meant Louis XVI. Louis XIV was based and died of old age.
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Germanicus
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>>1206714
Fuck George. He could have saved him.
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>>1206799
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>>1206972
Robespierre deserved what he got.
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>>1206972
Fuck him and his l'incoruptible shit
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>>1206976
>>1206986
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>>1206721
SEMEN STAINS THE MOUNTAINTOPS
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Marcus Aurelius Severus Alexander Augustus
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>>1206650
we should have never occupied Bosnia in the first place
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>>1207002
Kek
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>>1207051
HITLER WUZ BLACK I KNEW IT
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>>1207061
Fuck that commie shit.
When will this meme end?
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>>1207071
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He was the future of our country and comunists killed him
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>>1206721

shes looks like an old spinster at fucking age 12
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>>1206814
This
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All the good Roman Emperors.
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>>1206764
came to post this
he didn't deserve any of that fucking shit
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>>1206721
came to post this

t. not Jeff
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>>1207470
Nobody forced him to fucking climb the Alps
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>you will never go back in time and rescue Joan of Arc in the nick of time
>you will never put out the creeping flames and greet her with a laid back "Salut"
>you will never reassure her
>you will never toss her into the arms of an ally and tell them to flee from the English
>you will never hold off the English knights and beat them up barehanded to corny 80's disco pop funk

c'est la vie
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>>1206625
How the FUCK was emperor Majorian not mentioned.
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>>1206972
Holy shit what this nigga said, i want Robespierre to see this Revolution through the end
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>>1206721
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>>1206625
I never understand the love of Tsar Nicholas II. Now the communists were awful but they only got into power due to the sheer idiocy and blatant incompetence of Tsar Nicholas II. Yes he had a loving marriage and loved his kids. I'm sure that really comforted all the peasants whose sons never came home from war. I'm sure as they watched their children waste away from starvation they still thought Tsar Nicholas II was a swell guy. I'm glad he's dead, I'm glad Anastasia died with him and I hope he got shot last after watching his children die. Rot in hell Tsar.
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>>1208090
I guess people love him because he seems to be a family man type ?
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>>1208098
To be fair he truly loved his family and was by all accounts a loving and caring father but for christsake he was an awful ruler. He let Rasputin into the inner circle because he was so desperate to save his son's life he let a homeless Siberian mystic make policy decisions. Think of George W Bush, by all accounts he is a funny, kind person and everyone whose met him loves him. Doesn't change the fact that he invaded Iraq.
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>>1207083
Moot?
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>>1208090
He was a friendly guy that would have been remembered fondly by those that knew him had he not been put in a position of power.
Remove him and his family from power, and he's a good human being worth saving.
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>>1207932
delet this
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>>1206625
Stupid Hitler and his shitty decisions
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>>1208505
This
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>>1206721
AAAAY LOVE YOU JEEEESUS CHRIIIIIST
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>>1206625
Bound to happen when you mix violent oppression, starvation, and war
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>>1206764
Truly a hero in a world of villians
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>>1208090
Then you'd probably be happy to hear that he was shot first and died instantly while his family's massacre immediately after was agonizing and terrifying.
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>>1208517
Finish Tank Attacks you dead fuck
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I want to save Timur the Lame from succumbing in the winter he set off to invade Ming China. Chink shits would get fucking rekt.
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>>1208220
Wow that's so beautiful and yet so sad. The Romanovs are the only royal family that are good looking, the rest look inbred.
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>>1206625
start shit get hit, Nicky
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>>1206625
Calling Nicholas incompetent is a compliment. He actively made awful decisions all the time, he wasn't just mismanaging Russia or appointing shit representatives, he actively ran the country into the ground by going back on promises to the people, dissolving parliaments for calling him out on his stupid bullshit and then when strong leadership was needed the most he made himself commander in chief of the army and fucked off to the war because governing was too stressful, and then the war started going even worse under his piss-poor leadership.

His dad intentionally held off on teaching him how to rule to avoid being usurped but that's only an explanation, not an excuse. Russia could have been saved even without amazing skill, just a couple of not fucking awful decisions being made could have kept things from falling to pieces.

>>1206789
Here's the real deal. Still kind of a dumbass with a habit of doing the worst thing at the worst time but he seems like a genuinely intelligent and kind-hearted person whose problem was simply lacking the temperament to rule. The poor bastard didn't know when to bend and when to stay strong so he just kind of winged it when he could work up the nerve and almost always chose the worse times to grow a spine. He'd post on /r9k/ for sure if he lived in our time.

>>1206972
This glorious bastard is my hero. I suspect he probably had some kind of personality disorder or was on the edge of the spectrum but his integrity was amazing.

If everybody listened to Robespierre the revolution could have been so wonderful, but instead he was left trying to salvage everybody else's mistakes to the point where reconciling his beliefs with what was happening made him mad. Even at the end though he wasn't entirely wrong and was killed by the real bad guys. All the worst atrocities were carried out by the guys who killed Robespierre and that's why they did it. He was calling them back to Paris to answer for what they did so they killed him.
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I wish I could save her in some sort of time machine.
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What the hell's up with reactionaries and their fixation for Nicholas II? He was a horrible ruler and him being a good father and a husband doesn't change anything.

>b-but look how dashing he looks
>b-but commies being bad for Russia somehow makes Nicholas good
>nevermind the millions of people he fucked over, somebody think of the tsar and his poor family!
>b-but muh dead monarchs ;_;

If you seriously want to cum your pants over a monarch then why not choose somebody like pic related?
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>>1209253
THE ONLY GIRL I EVER LOOOOVED
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>>1206799
He just couldn't fucking get over his fetish for being the new Alexander or some shit and he just had to not be wearing armor that day, fuck.
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>>1209243
>His dad intentionally held off on teaching him how to rule to avoid being usurped but that's only an explanation
Wat? Did he think his son was gonna usurp him?
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>>1209260

See >>1208444

>>He was a friendly guy that would have been remembered fondly by those that knew him had he not been put in a position of power.
Remove him and his family from power, and he's a good human being worth saving.
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>>1209271
The fucker abandoned his empire in a time of great turmoil.

If I could go back in time to save him I would do it just so that I could murder him with my own hands.
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>>1209268
Well, I've never found a concrete explanation as to why he was never taught to rule, only that he wasn't and that the plan was to wait until he was 30, only he came to the throne in his 20s, so so much for that.

If there's no source giving that specific explanation around anywhere I must have just made the connection in my head because it made sense at the time. Why else would the future ruler of Russia be deprived of an education in ruling?
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>>1209271
yeah but that just makes him one of the millions of nice friendly guys that died horribly and are worth saving. If you're gonna save a person just based on him being a "nice guy", why does it have to be Nicky? Poor fucking excuse for constantly bringing him up and complaining about how he was treated
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>>1209280
I remember reading somewhere that it was because he wanted him to enjoy his youth
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>>1209289
He might have had a fun youth, but everything post-succession must have been a nightmare for the man. Imagine the anxiety of being at the head of so much shit and having no clue what you're doing. I think it's a wonder that these guys don't go nuts.

But then I suppose you can always go too far the other way. Ludwig II's dad pushed his sons to be hardcore men of action and look how that turned out.
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>>1206676
But he didn't die, anon. He was rescued by an angel and put in suspended animation, Half Life 1 style.
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>>1209299
>Imagine the anxiety of being at the head of so much shit and having no clue what you're doing. I think it's a wonder that these guys don't go nuts.
but never did he want to consolidate power to his ministers but instead centralized more power to himself. Oh the poor man! Nicky was truly a victim
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>>1209281
Because Nicky was a cute.
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>>1209310
yeah it always boils down to that but nobody wants to admit it
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>>1209307
>he doesn't want to give in to the evil ministers and is brave enough to do the only thing that's right and good so he clearly is the villain himself

stop bullying
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>>1209307
That's the real killer, the one thing he had drilled into his head like so many other monarchs, was that above everything else the crown ruled by divine right and that he had to uphold the 'natural order.'

It was this thinking that caused the French Revolution too. Louie said that he 'couldn't betray his nobility' even though it was probably the right thing to do. There's a whole load of other stuff at work there though so it's best not to go too far into it.
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>>1206625

He wasn't assassinated I just want to give him a hug.
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>>1206828
Is that true? I thought he was seized by the Bolsheviks.
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>>1207486
What the fuck man
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>>1209314
But in nearly every thread about Nicky, someone mentions how cute he was in the first five posts or so.
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>>1207486
>English Knights

It was the French who burned her.
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Nicky was a manlet cuck.
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This nigga. Brazil wouldn't be nearly as shitty if he wasn't prematurely deposed by his autistic generals.
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He was a good boy, dindu nuffin.
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Everything went well when he was in power, now Ethiopia's a shithole
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>>1206721
IN SOME SORT OF TIME MACHINE
WILL SHE REMEMBER ME
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>>1209202
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Majorian. He was the dawn of the new age of Rome. One that could have seen her back to her former glory.

Fuck Ricimer.
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>>1208090

>implying the communists seized power from the tsar
>implying there was any reason to massacre the Romanovs
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>>1209243
You good sir seem like a damn fine gentelman and my kind of negro.
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>>1206721
THE ONLY GIRL I EVER LOVED
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>>1209359
>seized by the bolsheviks
In England?
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>>1209243
Do you have any sources to support your admiration towards Robespierre? I am genuinely interested since mostly everybody teaches this man as a madman who became French Kefka
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>>1208118
He actually pretty much never listened to Rasputin. Rasputin said that he shouldn't intervene in the AH-Serbia situation and that if he did he would lose his empire forever. Nicholas said that was ludicrous and that he was far too powerful for Austria to do something with his weight in the ring.
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my brother
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>>1206625
I'd happily take that musket ball for him
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>>1209276
edgy
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>>1209595
:(
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>>1209276
Nicky is for cuddle, not for murder.
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;_;
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the son of alexander the great
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>>1209387
Just let me live out my fantasy
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>>1209387
That's not true
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;_;
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>>1210574
>be a kind compassionate person who didn't do anything wrong
>be one of the few nobles who didn't really care about losing privileges
>get brutally beaten to death and chopped into a few pieces and paraded around the city while the mob wants your bff to kiss your gorey dead head

being lamballe is suffering
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>>1210579
She didn't deserve any of it. Fucking barbarians
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>>1210614
I wish she had stayed out of France. She only went back out of loyalty to Marie Antoinette, who advised her to stay away.

>No, once again, do not return, my dear heart. Do not throw yourself into the tiger’s jaws. I suffer already too much uneasiness for my husband and my poor little children. Adieu, my dear heart; your friendship is my consolation and my only happiness.
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>>1206772
Best girl.
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>>1210574
Mai wifu
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>>1210600

The only one really worthwhile in this thread
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>>1210091
How's high school?
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>>1210671
Naughty boy
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>>1210091
Nice one
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>no one posted based john
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>>1210718
Finding out the sniper blew half his head away instead of just leaving a single hole in it made me pretty depressed.
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>>1206625
>>1206714
>>1208220
>>1209401
>>1209202
>>1209383
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>>1208090
They only like his outward aesthetic- meaning they don't really like his actions or character. That's all anything is anymore is aesthetics. He was an attractive, masculine, traditional Christian family man who wore classy outfits. That's literally it. Same goes to lots of historical rulers who people jerk off to on this board and pol- and it's why people around here claim Christianity. No one on 4chan is a Christian. It's an aesthetic and a philosophy the alt-right are using to combat anything liberal or modern.
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>>1210862
:D
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>>1210932
that happens when you mess with the chosen people
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>>1210862
>>1210932
Anastasia escaped
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>>1210947
>Her possible survival has been conclusively disproven. Forensic analysis and DNA testing confirmed that the remains are those of the imperial family, showing that all four grand duchesses were killed in 1918.[1][2] Several women have falsely claimed to have been Anastasia; the best known impostor is Anna Anderson. Anderson's body was cremated upon her death in 1984, but DNA testing in 1994 on available pieces of Anderson's tissue and hair showed no relation to the DNA of the Romanov family.[3]
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>>1209077
>Says he doesn't understand tanks
>Expects him to write a book at the level of 'Infantry Attacks'
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>>1209595
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>>1209243
True wisdom right here.
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>he left a unfinished note for his mom scratched onto his prison walls
>he didn't know she was dead and would leave flowers outside her room

fuck
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>>1209595
honestly, rest in peace
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Yes, I am really care about group theory progress.
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>>1212113
>he doesn't read the thread
>"I am really care"
>>>/reddit/
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You know alot of these kings like Louie and Nicky fucked up their countries because they were incompetent. I wonder how a different king like Vlad the Impaler would have done in their place?
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>>1212137
>Louie

*Louis

France was fucked up when Louis XVI took the throne. He just didn't have the authority (because he was humble and awkward with groups) or the will to stamp out revolution with violence when necessary.
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>>1206625
>>1208220
>>1209762
>>1210862
MFW you reactionaries are all still butt hurt almost 100 years later!
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>>1212242
Well the war with England did not help. But anyway, he did not have the will to stamp it out with violence. Vlad would, to an absurd degree. Of course Vlad would also make sure the peasants aren't completely but fucked so they don't want to rebel since he was pretty popular with the commoners. It was the nobles who hated him in real life.
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>>1207479
i was more referring to him getting fucked over by politics just as he was ready to pull the trigger on rome if he had gotten more men and supplies in italy
crossing the alps was a risky but great tactical decision that totally served its intended purpose, if you think this is what ended hannibal you don't understand anything about what happened
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I feel a spiritual connection with Nicky that I don't feel with any other person in history.

It's not about politics. I see myself on him. He was a shy, introverted man, who by circumstances became the absolute ruler of a shithole. I wouldn't be able to do anything different were I in his place, I know I couldn't.
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>>1212375
How about westernizing and stop having your nation be a backwards shithole. Hell Stalin managed to turn Russia into a world power.
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>>1212375
>gradually give the Duma more power
>written constitution
>have a civil service based on the Northcote-Trevalyan model
>use the Okhrana to concentrate on people who commit actual crimes
>don't declare war on Austria-Hungary
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>>1212375
Honestly, he should just resign to whoever was in the line of succession and live a comfy life with all his big family, bloging how much birds he killed at weekends.
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Don't really want him back, but would just be curious to see if he would attempt and succeed to claim the throne of the HRE had he not died.
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>>1212347
He thought that if he just didn't act like a tyrant, he wouldn't be viewed as one. He was very naive.

Oddly enough, or I guess not oddly if you think about the history, the nobles hated Louis XVI too. He was very popular with the peasants up until Varennes, and even then he was able to recover some good will afterwards. Louis XVI tried to get rid of many noble privileges and the nobles fucked over his every attempts at reforms... most of those early 1789 reforms after the fall of the Bastille and after the family was forced to Paris were things Louis XVI tried to do 15 years earlier.
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daily reminder that the tsar was an incompetent idiot, and he got executed by a jew
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>>1212467
Again something that Vlad would not fail in considering he would wipe out entire families if they opposed him. Basically history shows that it's best to be as cruel as possible because it inspires fear and can make you achieve goals quickly.
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>>1206789
why is he dressing like a woman?
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this one.
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>>1212494
> it's best to be as cruel as possible
You would be dead in no time between a retard wannabe terrorists and brooding aristocrats that was very known for coup d'etat shitty monarchs.
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Nasser is the reason of all the shit Egypt and the middle east are in right now.
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Nasser is the reason of all the shit and the middle east are in right now. FUCK THAT HOTHEADED LOWBORN
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>>1212532
>>1212541
Oh didn't mean to I thought the first one wasn't posted
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>>1212541
Farouk must have felt terrible when "a bunch of pimps" ousted him, huh?
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>>1212541
>King Farouk known as one of the greatest collectionist of pornography of all time
he is one of us
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>>1212513
What makes you think I would get killed? It worked for Stalin, and Mao, and countless other dictators.
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>>1210958
How much are they paying you?
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Just to piss off edgy right wingers
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>>1212626
They are dictators, who basically builds all of their machine of violence by themselves. You would be random guy who just given an chance to rule what flawed and stagnant system was already at place.
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>>1212671
Uhh the king is not some random guy. Also why are you bringing me into this. I was talking about Vlad, what do I have to do with anything?
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>>1206625
And then what? His successor gets deposed one way or another later on and a communist revolution still happens?
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>>1206721
I only opened this thread to see if someone had already posted this.
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>>1210684
kys reactionary
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Would do anything for him
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>>1214469
So it's not going well then?
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>>1206807
Bashar doesn't count tho. He can sabe himself.
>Can't Mossad the Assad
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>>1212501
Bitch, that Bourbon cape is fabulous.
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This guy didn't deserve it. I don't care how racist you are, the dude was a man of God who meant well.

I'd kill to see the alternate timeline where Lincoln sends the Africans back to Africa and rebuilds the south as well.
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>>1209359
I believe there was a time when Nick asked if he could move his family to England for awhile until the rebellion blows over, and George told him to fuck off.
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>>1207485
:'(
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>>1208444
>>1209271
You could say that about almost any dictator though. By all accounts, Hitler was amiable, generous, had a great sense of humor, loved children and animals, and was generally a fun guy to be around. Remove him from politics and you'd have had an unassuming, thoughtful individual who appreciated art and architecture and who doted on his nieces and nephews.

Context is everything.
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>>1206625
Lyncoya Jackson. Out of the vain hope he'd be half as cool as his father, but Indian and shit.
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>>1206625
He could have Made Ireland Great Again
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>>1217164
He accomplished practically all of his goals though.
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>>1212649
To be honest, the whole Venezuelan situation made me rethink my positions on military coups. Sometimes it is worth it to let the commies ruin a country, so they don't have an excuse.

I mean, we could probably live in a world where a time traveler went back in time to 2002 and saved Hugo Chávez. And look how that turned out. Saving Allende wouldn't yield much different results.
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>>1217173
I guess, it's just sad how brutal the free state became in the war after he died, and then how the country was run for the next 20 years. A lot of people seem to believe things might have gone better had he lived. I don't know but I'd like to find out.

If not Mick, then Brian Boru. I want to see if he could have established a dynasty or not.
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>>1210600
The dumbest thing is, the law that castrated him was removed a decade later. fuckin brits.
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>>1217176
Oh come on, Allende was no where near Venezuela. Atleast Allende helped his country
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salvador_Allende
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/cifamerica/2010/mar/03/chile-earthquake
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This guy really deserved to live, unlike Bloody Nikolay
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Absolute madman
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>>1217109
I swear, American racists are one of the most objective antagonists in history.
>Abraham Lincoln advances rights of African Americans
>assassinated and martyred.
>Martin Luther King Jr advances rights of African Americans
>assassinated and martyred
>John F. Kennedy advances rights of African Americans
>assassinated and martyred

It isn't even morality, it's just the principles of storytelling.
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>>1217250
What would saving him even accomplish? He'd just sit around in Mexico a few more years.
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>>1217248
>john F. Kennedy.
>Martyred
>american racists.

top kek,
*tips fedora
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>>1217281
What's the sarcasm with the martyred part? It's absolutely true, and the fact he was considered "dying a hero" was part of the reason lyndon johnson managed to pass the act Kennedy proposed.
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>>1217248
But JFK did less for the civil rights movement than the people before and after him, and his killer was a communist.
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>>1207486
IF YA WANNA SEE SOME ACTION
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>>1217298
Except the first part is blatantly wrong. Kennedy was the most important president to the civil rights movement, because he was literally the person who pushed and proposed THE civil rights act. The big one.

Let me remind you, this man was in office for only 3 years. And in that time he ended up causing the biggest legal event of the whole movement. Albeit, because of a certain communist, he didn't get to see it happen.
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My cat
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>>1217319
He didn't have the votes to get it past the senate.

I'm interested to see whether LBJ still would have done the arm twisting and blackmailing necessary to pass it if he'd been VP rather than President.
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>>1217344
Honestly, I don't think LBJ really needed to do much arm-twisting with that. Martyr-ship is quite a powerful force, especially in a society with some conceptions of honor like the US.
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>>1217386
If I recall correctly, LBJ knew officials at the bank that had given one Senator his mortgage, and threatened to have his house foreclosed on unless he voted for the Civil Rights Act.
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>>1217148
Well yes? context is everything. Nicholas II did not do the same things as Hitler.
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>>1217116
Basically George III and his advisors didn't want the family to be harbored in England because they were unpopular in England, and because George III was worried that their presence would spark revolutionary sentiment in England. There was a brief period during their early captivity (like the first 2 months) where the interim government was in contact with England and told them: hey we got them, we don't want to keep them, let's work out terms and the British government kept putting it off and off until it was too late and rescue was impossible without armed intervention.
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>>1210669
Your waifu shit!
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>>1207083
Why? He wasn't going to win the democratic nomination anyway
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>>1210091
>anarcho-communism
m'proletariat
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>>1206692
this
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>>1217109
>Man of god
>communist sympathizer
>cheats on wife
>wife beater

fucking protestants
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>>1217723
>implying that Anarcho capitalist aren't the worst
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>>1217765
All anarchists are bad desu. They were all stupid enough to fall for the meme in the first place.
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>>1217423
>intelligent, innocent woman who showed compassion for others
>shit

gay
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>>1208090
I don't know the /his/ story of this. Anyone recommend a documentary to download or something on jewtewb? Something that isn't biased one way or the other.
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>>1217723
Why would you post a picture of a Maoist in response?
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>>1210091
Yeah, his being fucked over by the Bolsheviks was pretty rage inducing to read about.

Also I love how people pile on insulting you for liking Makhno, but don't even touch on the fact there's a fucking neo-Nazi two posts below you.
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Stonewall Jackson. Best confederate general they had. His death was devastating to the South
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>>1209387
Burgundians =/= French
get gud b4 u shitpost
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He really wasn't that bad a guy
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>>1210862
That's one way to hold a gun.
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The only possible answer.
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>>1206625
Fuck Nick I would save one of his daughters to be my qt perfect Slavic princess.
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>>1217869
all the same teenage commie edgelords.
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>>1217241
agreed
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>>1206772
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The only girl I've ever loved
Was born with roses in her eyes
But then they buried her alive
One evening 1945
With just her sister at her side
And only weeks before the guns
All came and rained on everyone
Now she's a little boy in Spain
Playing pianos filled with flames
On empty rings around the sun
All sing to say my dream has come
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>>1218574
>>1217241
Are you implying that russians should be allowed to live ?
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>>1210718

based john is the only correct answer for Americans
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>>1220311
I LOOVE YOOU JEEESUUS CHRIIIST
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>>1220942
THE NOTCHES ON YOUR SPIIIIIIIINE
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>>1217365
Exactly this. For much good that Benito Juarez did for México, he was a bloody savage when it came to Maximiliano.

>Sees good qualities in Juárez, offers him a high place in the government.
>Juárez refuses, continues his rebellion. Captures Maximiliano and has him sentenced to death.
>Before being shot, Maximiliano forgives the shooters and says "May my blood seal the misfortunes of my regime."
>Mfw his last words were "¡Viva México!
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