Why is Vietnam usually lumped with Cambodia and Thailand instead of with China?
Vietnam's culture is far more similar to China's than that of Southeast Asia.
Because of its location, retard.
>>1199352
It fucking borders China
>>1199339
Because of fucking European Geographers
>LOLOLOL ITS BETWEEN INDIA & CHINA, LETS' CALL IT INDOCHINA :DDDD
Because it's easier to just say that all nations in South East Asia are the same instead of studying their history and culture.
>>1199355
So does Burma and Laos, butt head.
An attempt by Chinese nationalists to bury Vietnam's true history as the originator of Asian culture.
>>1199355
Estonia borders Russia but you wouldn't say that Estonia is the same as Russia. On the other hand Maroco and Pakistan are thousands of miles away but they have similar cultures. It doesn't matter how far away countries are.
>>1199339
while Vietnamese culture has a lot of things that come from Chinese culture that is only because China has had a history of constantly invading and ruling Vietnam. Which leads to the second part of the culture. Vietnamese have been invaded and have had bad relations with China for so long that they HATE the Chinese. They think Chinese are subhumans and I can attest albeit only with anecdotes of Vietnamese speaking ill of the Chinese when I was there. They hate them so much they'd rather be considered more like the Thai or Cambodians than the Chinese. So while a lot of things come from Chinese culture, it is part of the Vietnamese culture to shy away from other things.
Hell, even their alphabet was Chinese characters until the French introduced the alphabet they have today. And even then they accepted it wholeheartedly after the French left.
>>1199384
I would say Estonian and Russian culture have more in common than Morrocco and Pakistan.
>>1199402
This is true. I once had a Viet guy (in Canada) get really upset at me for bringing up that they used to use Chinese characters. He refused to believe it and started yelling that it never happened.
>>1199411
>He refused to believe it and started yelling that it never happened.
Nice made up story.
>>1199356
This is the correct answer.
Most of the region actually does have a lot of Indian influence though. Vietnam is exceptional because it was influenced much more from China, except for the Southern and Central parts under Cham rule.
>>1199339
Arr rook same
>>1199416
Wouldn't surprise me desu, Vietnamese are insanely proud and defensive about their culture and history. The Chinese domination is a particular sore spot for them.
I met exactly one Vietnamese guy in my life who wasn't an uber-nationalist and he had the best weed in San Diego.
>>1199402
>They hate them so much they'd rather be considered more like the Thai or Cambodians than the Chinese. So while a lot of things come from Chinese culture, it is part of the Vietnamese culture to shy away from other things.
False.
Historically Vietnam adopted the Chinese view of "anything not influenced by China = Barbaric." They're essentially an East Asian country in Southeast Asia. The same discourse on barbarism applied by China to Vietnam Vietnam used to the likes of the Khmer, the Lao, the Thai & the Cham. All Barbarians to the eyes of Vietnam, who worship strange Hindu gods and walk around naked.
Hell, like China's Southern Expansion, Vietnam had their own version
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nam_ti%E1%BA%BFn
Yes, Vietnam has an animosity towards the Chinese. But for the longest time all that they considered as high culture & civilization was that of the Chinks. Today they are still at odds versus the Lao and the Cambodians.
>>1199436
>But for the longest time all that they considered as high culture & civilization was that of the Chinks.
doesn't mean that they hated them and wanted to remove China whenever they invaded Vietnam
>Cambodia Vietnam bad relations
You're correct about laos, but Cambodia is a US ally and is wary of the Chinese more so than the Vietnamese. Plus Laos is nothing more than a speedbump for the Vietnamese. Their real enemy is China, always has been. Which is why they are so adamant about not being seen as having any ties be it cultural or political.
I don't deny Chinese influence, im saying that part of Vietnamese culture is also that of hating the Chinas with a passion. Go to Hanoi and scream that Vietnamese culture looks up to Chinese culture and see how long your organs remain in your body.
Anon asked why Vietnamese culture is lumped with other SEA cultures. It is because despite the similarities, Vietnamese would rather be lumped with the Cambodians than the Chinks
>>1199339
>tfw qt vietnamese gf
>tfw she wears a qt ao dai
>tfw she cleans for me
>>1199451
if you ever get a Chinese neighbor watch out for the punji stick traps she'll be placing on their lawn.
>>1199449
You're focused on the 20th century while I was talking of the *rest* of Vietnamese history.
19th century European-style nationalism is the cause of many asshurts today more than historic rivalries. I mean the Viets fucking defeated the Qing in battle in the 1700's and STILL agreed to be a "tributary state" to maintain friendly relations with the Qingz. They did the same with the Ming after the even more worse 4th Chinese Domination of Vietnam. When the Ming retreated, they treated Chinese POW's with dignity, while a few years later, were gleefully massacring the Cham.
>>1199481
Yeah I am talking about modern Vietnamese culture, and what you say is true.
>>1199449
>doesn't mean that they hated them and wanted to remove China whenever they invaded Vietnam
Historically there wasn't a united Vietnamese front,the elites of the Red River Delta supported the Ming invasion.
>I don't deny Chinese influence, im saying that part of Vietnamese culture is also that of hating the Chinas with a passion.
Recent phenomenon,historical Vietnamese viewed themselves as more Chinese than the Chinese.
The Vietnamese venerated the sage kings,had no issue with rulers of Chinese origin and Sinicized hill tribes.
>>1199458
except she's half chinese ;-)
>>1199339
Chinese who lived in VN are often used as scapegoats when there was disaster or war. Like when Quang Trung massacred Chinese people after he won the siege or Le Duan banish them when Sino-VNmese war happens, you could say they the Viets treat chinese similar to how European treat the Jews pre Hitler era.
>>1199403
You would be wrong.
>>1199502
>Historically there wasn't a united Vietnamese front,the elites of the Red River Delta supported the Ming invasion.
You forget those who supported Chinese have bad reputation and are viewed with disdain by Vietnamese people . in history of Vietnam, people call them the traitors.
>>1199502
>Recent phenomenon,historical Vietnamese viewed themselves as more Chinese than the Chinese.
Proclaim of Victory (by Nguyen Trai)
1) In the name of Heaven, I (King Leâ Lôïi) hold the belief that compassion and
righteousness are intended to bring peace and when troops are dispatched to protect
the population, their primary mission is to suppress tyranny.
2) As to Ñam Viet, a country of great culture with a long tradition, its mountains
and rivers are lawfully delineated.
3) In addition, our customs are different from those in the North.
4) For hundreds of years, the dynasties of Triệu, Đinh, Lý and Trần had firmly
established their independence.
5) Like the Han, Tang, Song and Yuan of China they proudly governed their lands.
6) Although their strength, their weakness and ours at times differed, men of noble
character in our country were never in short supply.
7) As a result, Liu Kung, too greedy, was defeated; Zhao Jie, too ambitious,
was killed;
So, NO, Vietnamese never view themselve as Chinese though
>>1199579
>You forget those who supported Chinese have bad reputation and are viewed with disdain by Vietnamese people . in history of Vietnam, people call them the traitors.
The fact that Red River Elites identified with and supported the Ming should be more than enough proof.
The veneration the Hung dynasty dates to the Le dynasty due to their semi barbarian origin.
>>1199595
>So, NO, Vietnamese never view themselve as Chinese though
After the Qing conquest, the Joseon and Nguyen dynasties viewed themselves as successors to the Chinese civilization(Eastern Zhou).
The Nguyen even viewed themselves as 漢 and venerated Chinese figures.
https://leminhkhai.wordpress.com/2013/02/21/the-han-style-and-power-dressing-in-nineteenth-century-vietnam/
https://leminhkhai.wordpress.com/2011/04/11/the-nguy%E1%BB%85n-dynasty%E2%80%99s-mi%E1%BA%BFu-l%E1%BB%8Bch-d%E1%BA%A1i-d%E1%BA%BF-v%C6%B0%C6%A1ng/
>>1199449
>you're correct about laos, but Cambodia is a US ally and is wary of the Chinese more so than the Vietnamese.
Objectively false. Vietnamese hating is THE biggest national past time in Cambodia and the country has pretty good relations to China right now. Anti Vietnamese riots are growing in Cambodia and can erupt anytime to a pogrom.The common enemy is Vietnam.
>>1199635
>The fact that Red River Elites identified with and supported the Ming should be more than enough proof.
Not a matter, there were always traitors in a country, Shi Jingtang even seceded Yan province to Liaos and call their king his foster father.
>>1199544
You would be an idiot
>>1199660
>Not a matter, there were always traitors in a country, Shi Jingtang even seceded Yan province to Liaos and call their king his foster father.
There was a clear cultural distinction between the Red River Elites(Kinh) and Le Loi's Trai(Muong) supporters.
The equivalent would be pre Tang Fujianese/Cantonese uniting China.
>>1199355
North Korea borders Russia.
>>1199339
French's shit self obsessed classification.
Ignorant westerners
Same reason they lump north africa with sub saharan africa, or Pakistan with the middle east, or Xinxiang and Mongolia with east asia
Ignorance
>>1199384
>On the other hand Maroco and Pakistan are thousands of miles away but they have similar cultures.
Completely false.
>>1199339
People uses east asia for Japan, Korea and China and Vietnam was nothing or little to do with the two first ones. So it gets into south-east asia. That's literally it.
>>1199384
Estonia and Russia are massively more similar than Pakistan and Morocco.
Sorry to burst your bubble, Mikk.
>>1200402
Nah, Vietnamese-Japanese contact dates back to prehistory. During the 16th and 17th centuries, trade networks were so thick that Japanese villages had popped up in every Vietnamese port.
I'm Chinese and I have not met a single Vietnamese person who treated me poorly and I've known a ton thanks to growing up in Southern California. Even my dealer (DUDE WEED LMAO) is a chill ass Vietnamese guy. I even dated a Vietnamese girl who thought that China and Korea are the same country even after I explained it to her 500 times, most of these people are probably just ignorant as hell.
>>1199384
>Maroco and Pakistan are thousands of miles away but they have similar cultures.
No they don't butthead.
>b-but they be all brown people and muslim!
>>1200456
There was portuguese ports in India and both cultures have nothing to do. I mean, I know is a more extreme example, but still. Contact =/= cultural affinity.
>>1200475
Westernized viets are a little better than Vietnam viets. There's also a HUGE Chinese diaspora amongst the viets in western countries.
We bleached them.
>>1200475
Talk to me in Vietnam, not in Cali faggot. See what happens.
>>1200475
How is that even possible, I'd figure she'd be mindful about learning at least a little bit about geography on account of everyone looking at everyone in Indochina as the same ethnic variety
>>1200475
That girl is westernized probably knows nothing about her heritage.
>>1199339
North Vietnam is very much culturally Chinese.
South Vietnam is much more ASEAN and what we would call "Vietnamese" here in America.
>>1199402
>had bad relations with China for so long that they HATE the Chinese. They think Chinese are subhumans
This is bullshit. Nice "anecdotes" faggot.
>>1199449
>Cambodia is a US ally
Into the trash your post goes.
>>1199595
>Vietnamese never view themselve as Chinese though
This is objectively wrong.
>>1200621
Edgy
>>1200621
What, you're going to beat me up for being Chinese? I would love to go to Vietnam some day and eat some good pho or bun, we should be friends.
>>1200847
She was born in Vietnam, actually. She looked a lot different than the Vietnamese-American girls here. Lighter/nice skin, and had more of a demure Asian style rather than the Latina look that most Viet girls go for.
posting pictures of vietnamese qt in ao dai
>>1200863
Anytime I see a post claiming "the X think X about Z people" I roll my eyes
Yes, that's it. From what "I've heard" from my friend's brothers girlfriend & the Internet I have deduced the opinions of millions.
>>1200904
yuh my girlfriend is vietnamese and her whole family is vietnamese
like, a huge amount of vietnamese are part chinese. it's like being suprised that people from france and germany would intermarry. and they don't hate each other. it's all just memes. there are some angers but people memify it
>>1199403
Then you're a monumental retard.
>>1200908
It's a bit confusing mainly because the Chinese you refer to are actually Cantonese. Vietnamese in China number around ~10,000 which is practically nothing. Most Chinese consider Vietnam to be just another ASEAN country.
Chinese people are as ignorant of Vietnam as the Koreans and Japanese are which is sad considering the shared cultural basis.
>>1200653
A lot of girls are dumb.
>>1200958
Small reference pools
Same reason folks think Turks are anything like the forest/steppe tribes of Siberia
>>1200917
>hurr but der both mooslum!
Right, and Estonia and Russia are both Christian.
What's your point?
>>1200958
It's butthurt eastern europeans.
We get it you're not russians, soviets or whatever. Some of you (estonians included) are not even slav, we already know. Just don't embarrass yourself in your attempts to tell it to the world.
China isn't something you should aspire to be similar to. tribalist, morally broken people, incapable of general empathy
>>1201018
>China has existed as People's Republic of China for 4000 years
Are you retarded?
>>1201018
Chinese are pretty nice guys.
>>1201046
>But all their pop culture, decisions, hierarchies, government and values indicate that they indeed are not.
Are you implying that if you base your perception of Americans on the US government you would come out thinking that Americans are nice people?
Because they are, yet the US government is fucking evil.
>>1201018
>incapable of general empathy
Did your tard wrangler write this for you?
Can someone explain how this thread is /his/ related when I can't get a North Korea thread to stay up for more than 5 minutes without someone saying "hurr durr north korea is still around check the 25 yr rule" and getting the thread taken down.
>>1199384
>butthurt baltics are THIS irrational
>>1201079
Was people talking about the history and culture of north korea or were they sharing dank kim jong un memes?
>>1201079
Because he does it for free.
>>1201079
If you had more of a general thread about Korea it might make more sense, I think.
>>1201171
that's Thailand not Vietnam dipshit
>>1201171
>Why is Vietnam usually lumped with Cambodia and Thailand instead of with China?
Damn, now I do feel bad for Vietbros. It's like making fun of Norwegians for German scat porn.
>>1201184
sorry.
>>1201196
still a qt tho. pls post more vietnamese qts
>>1200894
>vietnamese qt
>>1201310
Damn, that Agent Orange worked a treat.
>>1201310
>>1199339
May sound dumb, but because of food. Most people who can't find Vietnam on a map, still know where there's a Vietnamese restaurant.
Might be they see similar foods, know they are from similar areas, and just make that association.
>>1201310
>>1201316
>>1201336
in the PRC tho...
>>1201018
/pol/ is that way
>>1201423
No one said they didn't
>>1201423
thats the point
>>1201446
Whats that? I can't hear you over all that shit taste
>>1201446
>t. Pham Tram Phuc Duc
>>1201437
>that jew nose on the left
Looks like Hiroshim00t.
>>1201470
>jews
>>1201310
Man, they look really Thai. And really old, what the fuck? Asian genetics obviously failed in SE Asia.
>>1201492
>Nork-tier
I assume you mean DPRK bitches?
they ain't so bad when they don't hide behind 300lbs of plastic and cosmetic surgeries anon
>>1201453
That's a scene from a movie idiot
>>1201486
JEWS ARE CUTE
CUTE!!!
>>1201492
Norks are GOAT tier.
>>1201510
whatever, its militarized chicks
>>1201514
>>1201492
this, I mean just compare them to South Koreans, its thrash, K-pop has ruined and warped our perception of korean women.
>>1201522
>comapre then to South Koreans
May as well compare them to a Barbie doll
Not to mention Norks have L E G S from all the marching.
>>1201522
K-Pop singlehandedly reversed the negative reputation of Korean women. Don't talk shit senpai.
>>1201547
Nigga...
>>1201547
K-Pop singlehandedly reversed the perception that the Korean War was anything other than a mistake.
OMG Windy Day is a straight up bop.
>>1201541
I mean there's some shit tier ones in there, but, I'll take the one saluting and the one with the helmet on the left over pic related any day
>>1201559
Y'all niqqas need real soldiers here.
...well, not really, she's a comissar graduate.
...not even that since most people who go to comissar school are rich kids taking advantage of the quality education there in political sciences and then fucking off to other careers outside the military. Which is probably what she did.
>>1201572
but she qt tho, and that's all that matters
now real soldiers you say?
>>1201552
>cutest one still cute before surgery
not really surprising
>>1201572
>the way she handles the tip.
Muh dicc.
>>1199339
Why is Latin America lumped with The Incan and Aztec empire instead of Western Europe?
Latin America's culture is far more similar to Western Europe's than that of Pre-columbian America
>>1201592
which one?
>>1201605
>Latin America lumped with The Incan and Aztec
the fuck are you talking about?
>>1201607
Yoona obviously, although Taeyeon was super cute too. That's just a bad cherrypicked picture of her.
>>1201592
>>1201615
sorry I don't speak convenience shop owner
>>1201618
>>1201618
What in the...
>>1201635
I'm afraid those are human beans not androids.
>>1201592
>koreans found the pinnacle of feminine aesthetics and stuck with it
perfection > diversity
>>1201645
This. Having been to Korea, it's simply amazing how good the average chick on the street looks, they have simply mastered feminine fashion, makeup, and yes surgery (what's wrong with that anyways?). Going back to America I felt like I was surrounded by unwashed peasants.
>>1201618
>>1201658
>what's wrong with surgery
you'd spend way too much cash on making yourself look like a pretty thing for about 20+ years that won't be passed down to your generation so any type of physical attraction is essentially fake.
if it's medical its fine but plastic surgery = literal degeneracy
>>1201708
>you'd spend way too much cash on making yourself look like a pretty thing for about 20+ years that won't be passed down to your generation so any type of physical attraction is essentially fake.
What about makeup and fashion?
>>1201708
>that won't be passed down
As long as we perfect plastic surgery there's enough to go around, anon.
Though I think it'd be more efficient to get the hang of just genetically tailor-making babies to be healthy, intelligent and attractive straight out the gate.
>>1201720
they're okay because they're relatively cheap so your children can copy it if they want
>>1201736
You could probably spend more on makeup prettying yourself up in the course of a few years than you might on cosmetic surgery and needing less.
>>1201645
the real question is if everyone looked like perfection then what does perfection become?
>>1201736
Then you only have an issue with the cost? What if you can get plastic surgery for cheap or free?
Also, what about braces? Is that faking physical attraction?
>>1201748
Aesthetics are objective, if perfection becomes common/mediocre, it does not make lesser but more rare aesthetics greater.
>>1200904
Yep. Anecdotes are shit when talking about an entire ethnicity.
What people don't realize about Vietnam is that there's a clear South/North divide even today.
A lot of North Vietnamese are intermarried with Chinese or Sino-Viets. A lot of them work in China. A lot are unironic Communists, like Chinese.
Southern Vietnamese are the ones that protest China a lot and riot and kill Chinese. They act like Filipinos.
They also are a lot more pro-American and capitalist.
This is factual if you read on Pew Polls or just google it. Saigon hates the name Ho Chi Minh.
Hanoi loves Ho Chi Minh.
>>1201018
(You)
>>1201751
if plastic surgery was free and people wouldn't have the danger of looking like train wrecks it'd be a little less worse. (it still feels a bit off morally). but that's not the case IRL. i think fine-tuning our DNA is a much better, safer and more moral solution even if slower
>>1201760
also kind of agree with this
>>1201774
>(it still feels a bit off morally)
Sounds like you have some kind of lingering naturalist spook.
>>1201751
also braces are aright too since they can help with health as well
>>1201763
yeah, my girlfriend's family is north vietnamese and they have a shitload of chinese in their family tree. interesting though that 4channers tell me i'm wrong.
>>1200475
>I've known a ton thanks to growing up in Southern California
That's because you are all AMERICANS, retard.
>>1201867
>no! my sentiments MUST be right! any other evidence is WRONG!
>>1201763
>Ho Chi Minh City hates Ho Chi Minh
ayyy
>>1201763
it always makes me laugh when Vietnamese claim they have Chinese blood because
>implying Cantonese are actually Han Chinese
it's really just a case of Vietnamese intermixing with their long lost Vietnamese brothers
>>1201899
Right because no Han Chinese ever go to North Vietnam
>>1201905
>implying Cantonese are actually Han Chinese
>>1201486
whats with the tactical chef hats
>>1201605
Peru is still fairly Incan. The rural population at least.
>>1201914
>Additionally, the estimated contribution of northern Hans to southern Hans is substantial in both paternal and maternal lineages and a geographic cline exists for mtDNA. As a result, the northern Hans are the primary contributors to the gene pool of the southern Hans. However, it is noteworthy that the expansion process was dominated by males, as is shown by a greater contribution to the Y-chromosome than the mtDNA from northern Hans to southern Hans. These genetic observations are in line with historical records of continuous and large migratory waves of northern China inhabitants escaping warfare and famine, to southern China. Aside from these large migratory waves, other smaller southward migrations also occurred during almost all periods in the past two millennia.[90]
>>1201980
>no mention of Cantonese other than umbrella term of southern Hans
nice try kwok
>>1201980
Cantonese are the most southern shifted out of southern Han.
Ironically,they also claim to be the purest Han.
>>1202145
They are though. Northerners are Mongol-Manchu rape-babies.
>>1202353
>They are though. Northerners are Mongol-Manchu rape-babies.
>Being this delusional
If this was the case then ethnic Tujia and Miao would be descended from nomads.
>>1202383
>>1199339
South Vietnam is more similar to the culture of southeast Asia. North Vietnam is more similar to China. At least, that's been the trend throughout the majority of history. Can't say whether or not that's the way it is now.
>>1200863
He is right though. Vietnamese, especially the youngs, are used words to call chinese like "Tung Cẩu" literally mean Chinese Dog.
>>1199367
What?
>>1202393
The only thing I can say is that the North and South still have animosities toward each other, due to cultural differences and the war.
>>1202474
mostly because the war, the south people hate the north cause north people took land from them and send the south people to labor camp after the fall of saigon. But when speaking of chinese, both south and north people share the same animosity to chink.
>>1202508
Hehe. My family told me that they would never do business or become friends with chinks. When I visited Ho Chi Minh city, I was instructed by my aunt to ignore the chinks. And anyone with a Northern accent.
My grandfather was put in a labor camp due to his military rank and bailed out after over a decade by my grandmother who bribed commie officials.
>>1202533
Aren't all the pretty Viet girls from the north, though? Plus, I don't see how you can even tell the Chinese apart. The Hoa people I've seen in America look and act Vietnamese to me.
>>1201899
>Cantonese are not a subset within the Han ethnicity
Nice meme 8/10
>>1201914
(You)
You're a retard if you think Han Chinese = North Chinese
>>1202617
>Aren't all the pretty Viet girls from the north, though?
>aren't all
>aren't all
>all
Are you dumb all the time or just once in a while?
>>1202617
Well, that is just a cultural thing to think that pretty girls come from the North. I can usually tell a Chinese person apart from a viet usually by their accent, it's like a mix of a cantonese and northerner accent and will use use chinese phrases intermixed with Viet. If they don't have one that I can tell, then it's by their face, I found it easy to distinguish faces when they are similar in ethnicity to me.
>>1202687
>What annoys me is their superiority complex that anyone to the north of them has to be part Mongol/Manchu while they're representative of the ancients.
It's true though.
>>1202722
>It's true though.
T. Mak gamwai
Cantonese viewed Zhuang as even more Han than Hakka/Fujianese.
>>1202617
>Plus, I don't see how you can even tell the Chinese apart. The Hoa people I've seen in America look and act Vietnamese to me.
It's easy to tell. Look at their face, most of east asian people like Jap, Chink or Korea only have one eyelid, therefore you often see K-pop stars have their face surgery to have double eyelid. But most of people in the south people like Vietnammese, Lao, Khmer, Thai naturally have double eyelid.
>>1202840
>>1202840
>t. retarded nanman savage
hahahahaha
>>1201310
Nice cherry picking. In VN, only poor educated and ugly girls served in the Military.
Miss international Japan in 2014 ....fucking kek
>>1202687
>The historical definition of Han was limited to northern China.
Maybe in 1200 but not in 1800, 1900, or 2016.
>>1199384
The cultural difference between Estonia and Russia is trivial
>>1202941
Post more of this semen demon.
>>1203145
Kill me senpai
>>1203187
She got a wide ass head
>>1203182
Thank you for curing my Yellow Fever in one stroke.
>>1202840
> t. retarded nanman savage
underrated
>>1202953
Only after the Ming unification.
>>1201522
Is this even real? Why would Korea want some kpop bitch be serving in the military? Atleast Natalia got some natural beauty.
>>1203541
service in the korean military is mandatory
>>1203548
Then they should get rid of that 20 pounds of makeup and trim their hair a bit, without those garish dyed colors too. I am not talking about butch dyke look but atleast somewhat professional.
>>1203560
if the fedora meme didn't go out of style I'd post it right now
>>1203560
says the pimple-faced armchair warrior.
Those girls put their lives on the line to defend their country from Jim Jong Un. What have you done to defend your nation?
>>1201922
The round shape of a helmet is one of the most obviously unnatural give-aways when trying to conceal yourself. In other places you put some twigs and grass clamps through the helmet's webbing, but Israel has opted for this bizarre solution.
>>1203926
> they are basically the jews of asia
What do you mean by this?
>>1203929
They subjugate everyone else through cultural and financial dominance for their own gains.
>>1203966
There was a massacre of Chinks in Indonesia (19998)
Vietnamese here, Viet people hate Chinese people (and Chinese government), the hate is increasing in the recent years, but we always don't them and their goverment.
>>1203999
> 19998
You come pretty far to the part to warn us about it.
>>1204006
The funny thing is most Chinese consider Vietnamese below notice. If you go on a street to China (not the borders) most people would probably have a neutral/no opinion on Vietnamese and its government in general.
>>1204013
They are too busy protest at Jap embassy for muh Nanjing apologize. if ya know what i mean
>>1204006
Yeah, these days it's very bad thanks to the Chinese claiming the entire ocean.
>>1204024
Which is why it's funny. The Chinese government can and will do shit to Japan. The people will give it consent to do so. Compared to all that impotent Vietnamese rage which requires channeling the US to do anything.
>>1204015
My heart skipped a beat, thought that was my sister for a sec
>>1204033
In your dreams.
>implying China would "do shit" to Japan and piss the entire world off
>>1204037
Does you have your sister's number?
>>1204052
Yes, but you can't have it
Since when were Cantonese not real Chinese?
>>1202617
I have a vietnamese gf, and according to her they say that the best looking vietnamese girls come from Haiphong
>>1204449
Bitch pls, every vietnamese knows that the Southwest of Vietnam is famous for its beauty girls, many of girls who won beauty pageant are from that place.
>>1204514
Grandpa pls.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miss_Vietnam
4 out of 14 came from the south
>inb4 muh nepotism, muh pinko
>>1199529
Well that means she IS the trap
>>1204649
It's normal , Asian people have their hard time to differenate between Westerner, so similar the case of Westerner to Asian. I am Vietnamese and i find it hard to differenate between a Viet with a Thai than with Chinese, for most of Chinese have their distinct eyelids, except Chinese who got mixed with Khmer.
>>1203929
> In a 1995 study published by the East Asia Analytical Unit of Australia's Department of Foreign Affairs and Trade, approximately 73 percent of the market capitalization value of publicly listed companies (excluding foreign and state-owned companies) were owned by Chinese Indonesians. Additionally, they owned 68 percent of the top 300 conglomerates and nine of the top ten private sector groups at the end of 1993.[121] This figure propagated the general belief that ethnic Chinese—then estimated at 3 percent of the population—controlled 70 percent of the economy.[122][123][124]
>The top five conglomerates in Indonesia prior to the 1997 Asian financial crisis—the Salim Group, Astra International, the Sinar Mas Group, Gudang Garam, Sampoerna and the Lippo Group—were all owned by ethnic Chinese, with annual sales totaling Rp112 trillion (US$47 billion).[126
>>1205605
That's in shitty Indonesia though. The Chinese can't do jackshit in Japan.
>>1205613
>Chinks are 0.53% of the Japanese population
at least they invented instant noodles
>>1205637
So? Chinks make up 1.20% of the Indonesian population yet they dominate the Indoniggers.
>>1205651
If Nips are so superior, why is their large diaspora population in Brazil virtually irrelevant, when Brazil is a comparably shitty country?
>>1205613
Also, Japan is an insular, xenophobic, racist society that systematically shunts out outsiders for generations (see Koreans) even when they're born in Japan, to say nothing of recent immigrants. Brazil, on the other hand, is the epitome of multiculturalism. The Japanese in Brazil had every opportunity and more of far exceeding the Chinese in Indonesia (who also faced vast legal and cultural restrictions imposed by the Suharto government).
>>1205707
Chinks can't do jackshit in Japan because Japs have the most insular, xenophobic, unabashedly racial-supremacist culture in the world, so Japan is a terrible comparison to Southeast Asia, which is what we're talking about. Brazil is a much more relevant case study since they have the same climate and the same level of corruption and economic shittiness.
>>1205723
>have the most insular, xenophobic, unabashedly racial-supremacist culture in the world
Do you got a source for that or are you pulling that meme out of your ass ?
>>1205723
LOLOLLOLOLOLOLOLOL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discrimination_against_Chinese_Indonesians
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_1998_riots_of_Indonesia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indonesian_killings_of_1965%E2%80%9366
Now get off your high horse.
>>1205745
Those are mere legal restrictions and occasional outbursts of random violence. The Japs have a more insidious, unspoken mentality of rarely, if ever accepting other Asians into their in-group, which is the only way of attaining any success in Japanese society. The Japanese might not massacre their ethnic minorities anymore, but their system is more stifling than Indonesia's (unless you're white, and even then, white people can hardly expect to advance beyond grunt levels).
>>1204046
They already do shit to Japan. They've surpassed the Japs as the #2 economy and everybody's starting to toe the line with the PRC. The Japs are getting isolated and more irrelevant each and every day.
>>1205768
Yesterday's G7 says otherwise...... which China is not a part of...
>>1205759
Haha, so "legal restrictions" (LAWS) and "occasional outbursts of random violence" (MASSACRES) are preferable to a bit of distrust and minding one's own business? Unbelievable.
>>1205778
The Ottomans occasionally did the same thing to the Armenians and Greeks, and the Russians did the same to the Jews, yet all those minorities managed to prosper in the Ottoman Empire because, terrible as those laws were, the Turks and Russians at least weren't as much a fucking ethnic-supremacist and ultra-closed society as Japan.
>>1205799
Idiot. Idiot. Idiot.
Sun Yat-sen, politician
Lu Xun, writer
Chiang Kai-shek, politician and general
Chen Duxiu, co-founder of Chinese Communist Party
Li Dazhao, co-founder of Chinese Communist Party
Zhou Enlai, politician
They all have something in common. Guess what it is?
>>1205822
They were itinerants in Japan who had little to do with the Japanese community at large. Notice that none of them stayed in Japan and none of them are known by their Japanese names, because they all went back to China. I wonder why that might be?
>>1205832
The bottom line is that the Japanese are the most culturally anal people in the world. The slightest deviation from the majority culture and its unspoken rules acquired only from growing up within it are usually enough to kill off any chance of success in Glorious Nippon. This cannot be said of Indonesia, Vietnam, Thailand, or for that matter, Germany, Russia, or Turkey, which all otherwise from a legal standpoint treated their ethnic minorities worse.
>>1200917
Pakistan=Hindu,Indian,Turkic culture with an Arab religion
Morocco=Berber/Arab culture with an Arab religion
I'd imagine Estonia and Russia is more related.
>>1201658
Looks fade, and unless you have money to continually prop up your youthful appearance, you're gonna look worse than someone with no surgery. Not to mention it's shallow and pretentious, your kids won't even look like you.
>>1205946
>2016
>still having kids
>>1205946
hence why japan-china master race as far north east asian women goes
