You're going to convert. Based on the knowledge you got about eastern orthodoxy and roman catholicism which one do you choose and why?
I now it's hard but try to not be a straight up cunt about it. Some memes are however welcome.
>>1198608
Catholicism is more loosey goosey on rules and more numerous so I can network and social leveraging more.
>>1198608
I kill myself before I cuck myself to the local desert death cult.
>>1198608
I'm sorry OP, both are literal meme Churches. Go to your local church,as long as you believe in God, that Jesus died for you and live knowing that it doesn't matter what Church you go to.
>>1198630
Could you clearify which one is the "desert cult"?
>>1198640
The one that worships a Jew on a stick
Catholic, but I don't know much about eastern orthodoxy.
Catholic by a long shot, they understand that society changes and you have to develop with it. The Orthodox Church is stuck in the past and delusionally clings to tradition above real concerns.
Catholicism, just because I can read Latin already and I don't feel like learning the Cyrillic alphabet. I do think the Orthodox policy on priest marriage & celibacy makes more sense tho.
>>1198608
Catholicism
my country is traditionally catholic
Most Orthodox people here are LARP'ers. Catholicism actually keeps up with the times and is a serious religion.
>>1198747
Mine aswell, and I am. But thought it would be cool to see what early bird 4chan folk had to say.
Orthodoxy. Their descriptions of heaven, hell, sin, and God make more sense.
>>1198608
I'll ask God to help me decide - because my eternal life is in place and it's not just some role-play.
I've already done that and went with orthodoxy.
It was not like I heard the voice of God but I asked for signs, sometimes obvious signs.
>an italian catholic man and a russian orthodox woman fall in love with each other
What would happen?
Do Orthodox-Catholic couples tend to get a long well?
What are the advantages, and disadvantages?
>>1198608
Roman Catholicism, I made that choice already.
The primary reason is because it's actually a united church and not horrendously divided across ethnic lines, this is what turned me off the most about Eastern Orthodoxy, the lack of cohesion and focus, an obvious consequence of a lack of central leadership that comes with acknowledgement of the Bishop of Rome as chief.
The history of the Catholic Church is also incredibly rich and distinguished, with a true global mission of charity and salvation, compared to the more obscure and generally less accomplished history of the Eastern Orthodox Church. That kind of makes me feel like we really have God on our side, we were able to accomplish such great things in terms of charity and goodness all across the world for so long, and against such long odds.
I love my orthobros, I wish we could mend the schism because united we could be such a strong force for good in the world, but our differences are still too great for now.
>>1198608
Islam because Allah (swt)
>>1198608
Although 4chan is a terrible place to have a serious discussion about religion, allow me to demonstrate that Orthodoxy is the only serious option for anybody who holds the early church fathers in high regard.
>contrary to patristic teaching, Catholics administer chrismation, which they call "confirmation," separate from baptism
>contrary to patristic teaching, Catholics deny communion to infants
>contrary to patristic teaching, Catholics use instruments in worship
>contrary to the teachings of the seventh ecumenical council, Nicaea II, they depict God the Father, when the council said that only the Son could be depicted
>contrary to the earliest church fathers, they teach purgatory
>contrary to the earliest church fathers, they teach the notion of original guilt, whereas the early father's taught that it was merely the inclination to sin that was passed down by Adam, identical to the Orthodox notion of ancestral sin
>contrary to patristic teaching, including the teaching of St. Augustine, they teach the immaculate conception
>contrary to patristic teaching and EVEN THEIR OWN POPES of the Middle Ages, they teach the filioque heresy, that the Spirit proceeds from the Son
>contrary to the teaching of the sixth ecumenical council, they teach that the bishop of Rome is infallible on matters of faith and morals, wheras the sixth ecumenical council condemned Pope Honorius as a heretic
The list of medieval Catholic innovations and departures from the teachings of the early church fathers are simply to numerous to list in their entirety. This ought to suffice for now.
I'm already baptized into Catholicism, although I'm an atheist.
If for some reason I stopped being both an atheist and baptized and I had to pick one I would pick orthodoxy, because it looks cool.
>>1198750
Indeed. It is 2 sticks
What about Byzantine Rite Catholicism?
https://youtu.be/n3zurm-jcVU
>>1199026
How did you go about converting?
>>1199171
Uniate heretics.
>>1198608
but I'm already catholic. my brother though, he's a jew.
>>1199171
Literally
>How do you do, fellow Romans
The religion.
>>1199003
Happened in my family.
>>1199026
But the Roman Catholic Church has also commited such horendous crimes throughout history, which makes you doubt if God was on their side.
>>1198608
Catholicism.
Orthodox fails to look long term unlike Catholicism. They are either looking back or asking how high when Putin says jump.
Catholicism, because I find the way the treat icons more reasonable.
>>1199191
How did that happen? Convert? One parent was Jewish and the other Catholic?
>>1199003
it's pretty common, they usually just pick one for the children and the other parent keeps their faith
then they just celebrate both orthodox and catholic holidays with their extended families
it's pretty cool desu, i know a few instances personally
>>1198608
What do you think?
>>1200213
ttp://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/pope-francis-same-sex-marriage-move-father-lies-total-rejection-gods-law
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/09/24/pope-francis-excommunicates-priest-greg-reynolds_n_3983059.html
I appreciate the spectacle and the majesty of an Orthodox mass more than really any Catholic mass I've ever attended, and I appreciate the more rigidly defined separation of tiers of religiosity, so with a gun to my head I'd definitely lean towards Constantinople.
>>1199100
Anon, not the OP but I am very interested, as my father is becoming an affiliate of the Orthodox church and I wish to study the difference between them and Catholics.
Roman Catholicism, because it is the One, True, Holy and Apostolic Church established by Jesus Christ himself.
>>1198645
>>1199109
Why not simply Byzantine Rite Roman Catholicism, which looks cool just like Eastern Orthodoxy?
>>1198679
>Catholicism, just because I can read Latin already and I don't feel like learning the Cyrillic alphabet.
What does the cyrillic alphabet have to do with orthodoxy tho.
inb4 orthodox = russian
Help, I believe that
>The history of the Catholic Church is also incredibly rich and distinguished, with a true global mission of charity and salvation, compared to the more obscure and generally less accomplished history of the Eastern Orthodox Church. That kind of makes me feel like we really have God on our side, we were able to accomplish such great things in terms of charity and goodness all across the world for so long, and against such long odds
but I also think that :
>Orthodoxy. Their descriptions of heaven, hell, sin, and God make more sense.
what do?
>>1199191
you gotta do something about that
>>1198608
Hell or Hell.
Hmmmm, tough choice.
>>1201251
Orthodoxy, so I don't run into this cunt.
>>1200380
>>old gods
>>dead
Oh really? I got some bad news preacher boy, as we speak a new temple to the germanic pantheon is being built in iceland. While belief in your faith is declining.
Funny how christendom isn't worth much it isn't wedded to state power anymore.
>>1201274
>getting triggered by the facts
"""True"""" Church my ass.
>>1201282
Except no one actually believes in Germanic paganism its just edgy contrarianism
>>1201306
Amen.
>>1201282
As said, edgy contrarianism.
>>1200076
Orthodox are just as guilty of persecuting heretics using the Byzantine as their muscle.
Hence why most heretic Christians supported Muslim conquest, since they didn't actively persecute them because they weren't Orthodox.
>>1198608
What the fuck does this have to do with history/ humanities
>>1201282
>literally located at the edge of humanity
>followers are ex Christians who need spirituality that doesn't challenge their internal racism or progressive liberalism
>>1201656
Religion > humans got religion > humanities.
>>1201609
Oh look more paintings. Too bad for you that your faith's future is in the "developing" world. You have no armies or governments backing your faith anymore and guess what? It's dying.
Sucks to be you christard.
>>1201697
>It's dying.
Where? In Europe, maybe. In South America, oh it's growing.
>his taste in reaction images are shit
>>1201697
Dying? Thus they build all 'em new churches in Poland for example, so it still got a mighty billion of followers. In short, you don't know shit. Do tell, are you a butthurt atheist or wannabe goat fucking pagan?
>>1198608
Catcuck because I can be total hypocrite and do whatever the fuck I want as long as I confess to some old coot in a box.
>>1201714
Yes dying, churches being built in the poorer part of europe means nothing, as the overall trend continues to be one of decline. Poland will not be some sort of exception to what happens to european states as they get wealthier.
>>Do tell, are you a butthurt atheist or wannabe goat fucking pagan?
Try, an atheist who has respect for the beliefs of euro-polytheists. And I'm not butthurt, because at the end of the day you and your church are losing.
>>1201703
South America is "developing".
>>1201306
Prove it.
>>1198608
grew up catholic and went to catholic school
really looked at the content of the beliefs over a long period of time, and I didn't consider myself a Christian anymore during the latter half of high school
I was entertaining the possibility of becoming a priest at one point in time believe it or not. glad that I studied all of the major world religions before I had to decide anything.
>>1202245
>And I'm not butthurt, because at the end of the day you and your church are losing.
>I'm not butthurt
Allahu Ackbar motherfucker, youre in for a wild ride when youre old.
>>1202245
>tipping this hard
How common are guitars and english singing in catholic churches these days?
What about the tridentine mass?
>>1202245
>South America is "developing".
Chile would like a word with you, senpai.
>>1202296
english being used for mass in the catholic church has been standard for a long time. a latin mass only occurs on special occasions in some churches.
The common Sunday mass is very different from the Tridentine mass. Usually there's two readings then a gospel with some of the components of the Tridentine mass included. After this, the priest/deacon gives a homily and a simplified version of consecration and communion occurs.
if you want to read the whole proceedings of a sunday mass nowadays, here's a link to the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops site on it (basically the official US Catholic website):
http://www.usccb.org/prayer-and-worship/the-mass/general-instruction-of-the-roman-missal/girm-chapter-2.cfm
Guitars and things like that aren't used most of the time. A traditional choir and organ is still used, but the songs are more protestant in nature nowadays.
Oriental Orthodoxy is the coolest of the traditional churches. The "Nestorian" Church of the East's liturgical dialect is the most conservative and closest to classical Syriac.
https://youtu.be/b9orjxKYtfo
https://youtu.be/36GYBTzJyAU
https://youtu.be/2uUhMIVHSNQ
https://youtu.be/NpQSLGQ4pnw
>the orthodox church is so irrelevant that they literally pay people to shill on 4chan for them
CAN'T MAKE THIS SHIT UP FAMILY
>>1201282
>people in Iceland that are atheists are building 1 """"""""""temple"""""""""" devoted to practice their religion that's an attempt at reconstructing ancient pagan faiths that we have little to know actual knowledge about
>This somehow proves European neo-pagans will outnumber Christians some day
What about in Africa and Latin America?
It' growing there, and it's not like we can really accurately predict what's going to happen in the distant future. Some sort of religious revival could happen
>>1198679
>I do think the Orthodox policy on priest marriage & celibacy makes more sense tho.
Matters of discipline rather than doctrines of faith, and the Eastern rite Catholics can have married priests
>>1198608
orthodoxy, as it is closer to the mysticism of christianity. catholicism is blended too well with paganism
>>1198608
Judaism
>>1198633
Thiiiiiiis. Born Catholic and when I go to church it's a Catholic one because I like the traditions behind it, but all that superfluous crap autists on here like to fight over is just that, autism. God loves us and won't set us on fire forever for minor rules created by medieval politicians. Frankly I think even righteous non-Christians will get to heaven eventually. And evil people calling themselves that won't until they've payed.
>>1203221
Nice heresy that lacks any substance or justification
>>1202296
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0iOBOIwQ2o
SOON
>>1203276
>>heretic
It's what normal people who still go to church every so often think. Nobody cares about your stupid and autistic Deus Vult roleplaying garbage.
>>1203189
>This somehow proves European neo-pagans will outnumber Christians some day
They will simply because their numbers are growing and the christians are shrinking. I don't think neo-pagans will ever be a majority, mind you, but europe's future is not going to have much to do with the christian faith.
>>What about in Africa and Latin America?
Africa is irrelevant except as a place to extract resources from. Latin America is still very poor.
>>it's not like we can really accurately predict what's going to happen in the distant future. Some sort of religious revival could happen
The only way christendom becomes a thing again is the mass scale destruction of modern knowledge, and the deaths of all those who criticize christianity.
We live in far too knowledgeable of a society for genuine universal religious faith to ever really take root again honestly.
People will still believe illogical things obviously, but any further religious growth in the developed world will occur among faiths that are useful for the purposes of ethnic nationalism.
What can the catholic church do about it's aging problem? The average age of priests is now 65(!), never mind the further up the chain you get the older they get,
How can young people relate when literally every Priest is 45+ years their senior.
>>1204081
The word "presbyter" is the Greek word for "elder", and is the source of the English word "priest", so I don't really see how that is a problem. The Orthodox Church often has very young priests (mine isn't though), and I actually find that more disconcerting.
>>1204081
Have more people become priests?
>>1200387
Because I live in a Catholic country where we do not have Byzantine rite churches.
It would simply be easier to convert at one of the orthodox churches built for Slavic and Romanian migrants than to bother getting into a different rite of Catholicism.
>>1204086
Elder doesnt mean old. To a 15-25 year old (the demographics that are now extinct in the Catholic church) a 30-40 year old priest is elder (which was the average age of priests 30 years ago).
Why do you find young (what age do you consider young) priests disconcerting?
>>1204081
I'd love to be a priest.
I don't even really believe in God but being a priest looks like the comfiest job on the planet. It's not like I'm ever going to reproduce as is so may as well make a career out of it.
Sometimes I wonder if I could just do it because they're that strapped for priests despite being massively under-qualified.
>>1198608
If I had to pick one, I would pick Catholicism because it's my country's religion, no other reason. I could walk to my local church in like 5 minutes every Sunday instead of having to go pretty far for an orthodox church.
>>1204109
>Sometimes I wonder if I could just do it because they're that strapped for priests despite being massively under-qualified.
Then become qualified and learn to shut your mouth.
>>1204137
wew lad.
Sorry if I touched a nerve by admiring the priest life, no need for the hate like.
>>1198608
the one without a commie muslim head of church
>>1204144
So... Protestants?
>>1204107
Just is weird seeing a sixty-year-old parishioner kissing the hand of a priest much younger than he is and calling him father. Christ was pretty young in his ministry, so there's obviously no technical problem with it (although I think in the Church canons, the age used to be 40 minimum for priests), but it's still weird.
>>1204109
Priests can be and generally are married in the Orthodox Church, provided they were married before they were ordained. Bishops can't be though, which is why bishops are generally chosen from monasteries.
former protestant here.
It seems to me like Catholics, as a general rule, tend to be the least pious and religiously devout -- they're in effect atheists, whilst claiming to be members of a church, that believes in Christ, and 9000 other false idols/saints -- but hey, that's another topic.
>>1204156
ur wrong
>>1204155
Yeah but I don't live in an Orthodox country.
I don't fancy learning Romanian, on top of possibly the liturgical languages to give mass to all the first generation diaspora.
>>1204142
>hate
Nigga if you wanna be a priest go be a priest. Just don't shit like "I don't believe in what I preach"
>>1204156
Hell yeah we are.
Hence why Catholicism is the GOAT, except for third worlders who take this shit seriously.
>>1204171
I'd say I believe in it about as much as every other baptised European.
I'd like to be a priest for some long term stability, but as it stands the NEET life is hard to escape.
>>1204175
Then go study it up and become a priest.
>>1204169
70% of the clergy of the Antiochian Church in America are converts, pretty sure they don't speak Arabic.
>>1204179
Yeah but I'm not American.
Here in Ireland literally the only people that go to Orthodox churches are first generation immigrants.
>>1204161
I'll admit I've had limited experiences with Catholics, aside from friends of friends, and gossip, and what not. What I have heard is that the people who go to the catholic schools become all types of fucked up because of the repression. Like the girls are mega sluts, the dudes become huge "rebels", and drink, do drugs, etc.
I mean, it's all anecdotal, but at the doctrinal basis, there's a reason why Catholics probably do place less importance on living a pious day to day life -- confession. As a Catholic, you can be a degenerate for like 364 days of the year, go in the box with the father (who's office is basically that of a srhink, before there were shrinks) tell them all the bad shit you did, get it off your chest, feel nice, and then get told: "all is forgiven, son." Then you're back to your debauchery the next week at the strip club etc.
Pretty much the idea of having an "agent of God" on earth, who can, in God's stead, pardon you of your sins -- just completely fucks up the point of not being a degenerate, because you don't know if God is pissed off at you, or if he's forgiven you for fucking Marie out of wedlock etc. That in a nutshell is the problem with Catholicism: the middle-man.
>>1204181
>because you don't know if God is pissed off at you, or if he's forgiven you for fucking Marie out of wedlock etc.
Oh, so you know when God is pissed at you Mr. Protestcuck?
>>1204181
>Like the girls are mega sluts
This is partially true, a lot of mega-sluts come out of Catholic school. But not any more than come out of secular schools.
In my experience Catholic all-girls school is more likely to make you gay and a massive SJW.
>the dudes become huge "rebels", and drink, do drugs, etc.
This however is totally true, but it's not out of rebeliousness. It's because the gender segregation breeds a kind of lad culture that inherently encourages partying hard.
>>1199171
eve the catholic church admitted eastern catholic churches are hamfisted political constructs and are no way to do things.
>>1204180
No, there is a Celtic Orthodox Church.
>>1204177
I probably will, I'm considering it at least.
I mean every vocation starts with considering it.
>>1204185
Naww. The implication is that Protestant fags don't know. It's like our sky daddy is a surveillance camera, and there's no security guard to review the footage for us, and tell us: "we have you on tape putting the candy into your bag."
The father is catholic church IS that security dude in a way. You tell them your shit, then he says "that's bad, son, don't do that again ok, lol. daddy will forgive."
As a protestant, I have no way to know if sky daddy will forgive me or not cause there's no agent on earth who who can mediate.
>>1204192
Constantine holy shit, why would the fucking Irish man convert to Orthodoxy when the fucking Island is Catholic, like the most Catholic place outside of Italy in Europe. Are you fucking retarded? That actually got my goat, fuck you.
>>1204194
Do it, we need people like you who want's to spread the word of Christ.
>>1204194
How are you going to council people and be their confessor and all that jazz, if you don't even believe in God? What will you do when someone asks you to help them with their struggling with faith?
>>1204192
Not here there isn't.
From what I can tell from Wikipedia it only operates in >celtic countries.
Although I have heard about a legit local Orthodox church, but on the count that Google Maps shows it's headquarters in the area to be what looks like a farm in the middle of nowhere it may not be as legit as first thought.
Not to mention by joining the Catholic church rather than random Orthodox autocephalous churches they have the money to set you up good with your own house, maid and car.
>>1204202
I'm not asking him to convert, why would I want an atheist to be in our clergy? I just mentioned matrimony.
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>>1199100
>they depict God the Father
False. They depict a metaphor for God the Father.
>>1204206
Well, yeah, if material comfort is your primary consideration,then of course you'd be correct.
>>1204192
celtic orthodox church is a joke
>>1204207
>why would I want an atheist to be in our clergy
So that he stops being an atheist (from the sounds of it, he isn't, he's a lapsed Catholic.).
>>1204198
>The father is catholic church IS that security dude in a way. You tell them your shit, then he says "that's bad, son, don't do that again ok, lol. daddy will forgive."
No it's "that's bad, son if you do it again I'm not forgiving you, but you're forgiven."
>>1204213
Pretty sure if you asked Michelangelo, "Who is this?" He wouldn't say, "A metaphor".
>>1204218
>He wouldn't say, "A metaphor".
Your right, because he doesn't speak English.
>>1204203
I don't not believe in God, I'm just not entirely divorced from the concept of a materialist concept of the universe either.
>What will you do when someone asks you to help them with their struggling with faith?
I suppose I can ideate what I would say, of course I've written many essays, read a lot books and had a bunch of 4chan arguments on the topic so I'd like to think I'd know what I would say.
But in truth I wouldn't know until I'm tested, the fact that I can strongly see where they're coming from would probably make it a lot harder than I can just imagine hypothetically.
>>1204217
>So that he stops being an atheist
No, you don't become a priest because you are struggling with faith. You especially don't if you aren't struggling and just don't have any.
>>1204218
That's because he's a tradesman, not a scholar.
Now go answer my question in that thread about blessing things.
>>1204217
He wants to become a priest for material comfort, not to help him with some sort of struggle.
>>1204227
And?
>>1204229
Obviously that's considered a perfectly valid reason to be a priest for the RCC. Only point I was making is that I'm not trying to poach any such priests, because we actively would not want them, we consider that sort of clergy to be a cancer on the Church
>>1204227
No I don't, I already have material comfort.
I'm just not entirely compelled to convert to Orthodoxy when it would essentially be doing the same job in worse conditions.
>>1204234
>Obviously that's considered a perfectly valid reason to be a priest for the RCC
He isn't, but I'm assuming and hoping the mick learns to worship God and actually accept that he's real when he's learning this shit.
>>1204248
>You're assuming learning Latin terms and marital formulas is going to imbue him with faith?
Yes.
>>1204252
Why? Do you think if you learn Arabic, it make you a Muslim?
>>1204260
>Why?
Because I have faith in that fucking mick, and if you're going to tell me that he's not going to be shone the light and actually end up being a priest isn't gonna happen, then I can say you ain't Christian.
>Do you think if you learn Arabic, it make you a Muslim?
Yeah.
>>1204248
>Hedonism
It's not hedonism, if I wanted to be a hedonist I'd just go to regular university and get a secular job that would probably pay much more handsomely.
It's a matter of the fact that there is absolutely zero meaning or purpose in my life. Whereas being a priest seems to appreciate aspects of life that would otherwise be punished in secular careers whilst also offering some purpose.
>>1204265
I don't see why he wouldn't be a priest if he applied to it. I don't see why that would make him any more of a believer in Christ.
>Yeah.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y8r5r4R2yuE
>>1204265
This idea that religion emanates from language is very interesting.
I may have to steal it.
>>1204278
>I don't see why that would make him any more of a believer in Christ
Because being around it it will make him believe in it.
>>1204282
Then Pope Alexander VI must of have extreme faith because he was around it all the time.
>>1204286
Oh fuck off, what do you know, the mick might change.
>>1204290
He might, but you're not even supposed to take communion if you don't acknowledge the divinity of Christ, let alone ordination.
It doesn't matter to me though, it's not my Church
>>1204298
>He might
He will.
>>1203301
So you mean infidels
>>1204666
An heretic is a Christian who distorts Christianity
An infidel is non-Christian monotheist
