Neanderthals built complex cave rings 175,000 years ago.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/a21023/neanderthals-built-mystery-cave-rings-175000-years-ago/
Does this give more weight to the theory that neanderthals were actually more intelligent than homo sapiens?
>>1194281
Nice meme - I feel sad that you waste precious time with fake theories to theorize other bullshit.
>>1194281
>Does this give more weight to the theory that neanderthals were actually more intelligent than homo sapiens?
I'm pretty sure homo sapiens (us) can make rings of rocks. So no, I wouldn't say so.
>>1194287
Sorry if it hurts your feelings that homo sapiens may have actually been the inferior species who got lucky.
>>1194281
WE WUZ NEANDERTHALS
>>1194281
It's a scientific consensus that their disappeared because their weapons didn't work for the kind of prey they were facing at the time of their extinction. Smarter or not, they just weren't apt competition for homo sapiens. Great minds in frail bodies didn't have place back them.
>>1194295
Read genesis.
Sad part is you don't realize you were created as a whole and 100% capable of giving answers and justifications for your decisions.
Judgement day is close.
>>1194300
>Great minds in frail bodies didn't have place back them.
We don't know if they had "great minds", but we do know they definitely did NOT have "frail bodies." They would have been far stronger than homo sapiens, although probably less nimble and with lower endurance.
>>1194321
>Read genesis
The bible is a lie, and god doesn't exist. Go back to /pol/ you mindless conservative, this board is about actual history.
>>1194281
>meteor hits earth
>mass extinction event
>cockroaches survive
Does this mean cockroaches were more intelligent than homo sapiens?
Go troll somewhere else.
>>1194349
Exactly. I come to this board to discuss history. Not christian apologetics and neo nazi circlejerks
>>1194321
>Read genesis
The Bible is not a viable source. Go to /pol/ instead.
>>1194360
Typical homo sapien apologetic. You failed to apply your own analogy.
>The cockroaches in this case are homo sapiens
>Neanderthals going extinct doesn't discredit the possibility of them being more intelligent than humans
>>1194321
Are you being serious?
>>1194390
Never heard of homo sapien guilt, but looks like that's a thing now too. What's next, hominid shamming because we're not glorious reptile race or some stupid shit like that. Fuck /his/ and you're homo sapien bashing, I'm going back to watching porn and not dealing with neanderthal lovers.
Neanderthals were a bunch of super strong manlets. That hunted ice age mega fauna and "picked berries".
Pre contact Homo Sapien was a super tall skinnny fat warm climate plains hunter.
>>1194321
We were able to have decent threads about religious topics before you started posting here you fucking cunt
I can honestly say that you are the absolute worst poster on this board, and not even Constantine has given Christians such stigma on this board as you
Fuck off
>>1194281
No. But it's not out of the question to think they may have been.
After all, the warmer climate at the end of the ice age introduced new diseases, and the extinction of their main staple megafaunas is what most likely killed them off.
>>1194281
What if they were hopelessly decayed remnants of a particle collider
>>1194300
so we didn't literally ate them to extinction?
>>1194281
Neat.
>>1194295
Fuck off, we didn't get lucky, we killed the neanderthals fair and square. We may not be as smart but we're better at surviving, ergo we are superior.
Excluding selected African populations, everyone has Neanderthal gene in their bloods. They didn't disappear.
Homo sapians were more intelligent which allowed them to work together in greater numbers. In a one on one battle a neanderthaler would probably have won, but when the homo sapiens started to outnumber the neanderthalers in combat they were no match.
Who cares, we ate them.
/thread
>>1195533
>/threading yourself
typical Homo Sapien niggardry
HS females were literally MADE for BIG HAIRY NEANDERTHAL dick
>>1195470
This. When it comes down to it, homo sapiens just fucked Neanderthals into extinction.
>>1195567
>Respecting the meta-rules of a korean ancient pottery classification tips exchange forum subsection
WE
WUZ
CAVE BEARS
N SHIT
>>1194295
This idea that Neanderthals were the smart ones and we're the dumb ones is just an extension of liberal politics
If they were so much smarter they wouldn't have died out.
>because today's discovery pre-dates any known human cave exploration, he says, "it is curious to note that it was not Humans (Homo sapiens) who were the first to explore far into caves, or to draw animals."
HOMO SAPIENS BTFO
GIT GUD SKREBS
LRN2 HUMAN
Neanderthals confirmed for jungle fever and fucking themselves out of existence with smoking hot brown homo sapiens chicks from Africa.
>>1194281
>Does this give more weight to the theory that neanderthals were actually more intelligent than homo sapiens?
Yeah everyone needs to give this a fucking rest already.
They were all human. They all had language and culture and shit. Get the fuck over it already you Homo Sapiens racist superiority fucks.
>>1195590
>This idea that Neanderthals were the smart ones and we're the dumb ones is just an extension of liberal politics
No it isn't. It's a fairly plausible but unprovable hypothesis based on their anatomy. And the ones who push it most are not liberals but white supremacists.
>If they were so much smarter they wouldn't have died out.
Well that's certainly not true.
>>1195626
Of course its true. A creature with human like intelligence wouldn't go down so easily.
Animals go extinct because if they aren't suited to the new situation they either evolve, or die. Humans are not the same, we can think and come up with a plan.
>>1195627
You are severely underestimating how lucky we are (climatologically speaking), if the final Neanderthals (& other late Hominids) made it just another 15-20k years, I think race relations today would be a whole lot different..
>>1195627
>need meat to survive
>no more meat
Ok what's your plan?
>>1195654
Migrate
>>1194349
>>1194373
>>1194381
You've obviously never been to /pol/ if you think we allow Christians to proselytise there.
OP you should have posted the article with different question. Could have had interesting conversation instead it's full of retards fling their shit around
>>1195686
>Migrate
Where? There's no suitable territory for thousands of miles.
Neanderthals built the pyramids.
Discuss.
I don't get why it's controversial that they could've been as smart as us or even smarter.
Efficiency is also very important. They were built as fuck manlets who probably required a huge amount of energy compared to us homo sapiens, and this might have been their Achilles heel when homo sapiens showed up and started competing with them for game. Maybe they just starved. Or, after all, maybe they were killed by a virus brought by the homos, who knows.
>>1194281
We are the niggers that chimped out and burned down the homes of the civilised and killed them all
>>1194281
>Evolutionists desperately clinging to their delusions of evolved superiority.
There's a decent documentary on Netflix called Decoding Neanderthals. They made the world's oldest known synthetic material (a birch pitch used as a glue) that we still do not know how to reproduce in the quantities they did. There's also evidence that they used certain materials as pigments and had rudimentary burial rituals.
>>1196088
What does this even mean faggot?
>Muh "all animals are best suited to their environment"
>Could a human survive at the bottom of the ocean?
>Checkmate Teleologists
>>1196088
>misreading it THIS hard
0/10 b8, apply yourself next time
>>1195960
......no
Discussed.
>>1194281
>the theory that neanderthals were actually more intelligent than homo sapiens?
That's not a theory m8. That's a hypothesis, and not a very good one.
>>1195960
I am the Messiah. No discussion needed, just praise me.
>>1195470
Melanesians
>>1194349
>>1194381
>tips fedora
I can see the presumptive anti-science, anti-intellectuals have reared their ugly heads.
Something I find compelling is that most (if they aren't fedora tippers) find any number of crackpot theory acceptable, unless it impedes upon their will to be degenerates.
Of course, that's just my observation, but hey, I'm just another retarded bible thumping conservative.
"The great mythos evolution tells us that we are not to understand it by nature, if it should come to pass that we scientifically verify evolution we in the same stroke philosophically negate it."
>>1194494
He's not as bad as "Hebrew Grammar lesson guy". Although I suppose the Jew equivalent is slightly better insofar as I haven't seen him in a while. But that's probably because he got banned.
>>1196423
Why does the theory of evolution hurt your feelings so? So far, we have no way of knowing if a God exists and the theory of evolution doesn't somehow claim to disprove God.
Nature is a beautiful thing, and in all likelyhood, evolution is it's driving force. No one but nature and the drive of adaptivity can come up with the amazing creatures you can find out there. If you truly believe in a God, open a biology book, and you'll definitely see a hand of God in some of the organisms that live on this Earth.
>>1196210
>all animals are best suited to their environment
that's kinda demonstrably false though
>>1194349
>this board is about actual history.
History is His Story.
>>1194494
Lashing out at unknown Anons.
Yes, you're a great poster. Really contribute quite a bit. I mean, look at that blurry picture you posted. Awesome.
>>1196471
He got BTFO.
You're welcome.
>>1195569
holy shit
>WE WUZ BETTER THAN HOMO SAPIENS AND SHEIT
>Homosexual and Homo sapiens both have homo in them
>We are all Homo sapiens
>OP is a faggot
OP is a neanderthal and wants to make himself feel better
>>1196162
Individual Neanders were probably smart as fuk, but humans only got as far as we have by eventually living in large colonies which would have been very hard for Neanderthals due to large dietary requirements.
>>1196471
Hebrew grammar lesson guy?
>>1194349
>/pol/
>Christian
We don't like them there either.
>>1194287
African detected
>>1196035
Because its mainly based off the belief that larger brain size = greater intelligence. Dinosaurs had larger brains then most modern animals including humans, but their actual cognitive functions were relatively hardwired and had little ability for anything outside of that.
Bigger brains does not correlate to greater intelligence.
>>1194281
Maybe, but there isn't enough evidence for that yet. Biggest example I can think of their intelligence was the manufacture of synthetic glue for use in making spears in large quantities, as of the time of the article written it was still unclear how they managed it.
Personally I think most ancestors and close relatives of homo sapiens were probably a fair bit more intelligent than they are generally given credit for, so I would be hesitant to call Neanderthals more intelligent just because we have found more evidence of their intelligence
Whatever the case they were out-competed/out-bred and driven to extinction.
>>1196079
Their DNA is present in non-African humans so they were assimilated to some extent, although some of it may have been violent.
Even if it were entirely peaceful, hybrid Neanderthal males appear to have been sterile or have had very low fertility. They were pretty much doomed through peace or war.
>>1198846
but it's not just raw size though, it's about encephalization i.e size relative to body size
and moreover, we're talking about a fairly close species, comparing it to distant mammals with a much different brain structure doesn't make much sense
among humans, but possibly closer relatives, I'm fairly sure brain size is partly correlated with IQ for instance
>>1194281
>Neanderthals were stereotyped as morons for hundreds of years
> now they're seen as the Uber race compared to us so-called lowly humans by white nationalists
>>1195470
>selected
There aren't any pure Sapiens left in Africa, except possibly an uncontacted tribe in the Congo, if they still exist. Even the formerly thought to be pure Yoruba now have a little Neanderthal in then.
>>1198882
As far as mammals, elephants and dolphins have much bigger brains than humans.
>>1194281
For some period of time they were
European historian Varg "stab a Sami in the head" Vikernes' research says white people today are 99,7% neanderthal, but jews don't want white people to know this.
https://thuleanperspective.com/tag/neanderthal/
Neanderthals don't actually extinct. They evolved into white race we know today. The whole human is from homo sapiens is a bullshit. Different species of Homos evolved into different kind of race. Well, that is my theory anyway.
>>1200499
And why is it shit? The whole human come from one single homo species from Africa is a lot stupider my theory of that different race archetype come from different homo species.
I'm feeling somber. It's a great loss that such a proud and noble people were to disappear forever. The Neanderthals should have been the ones to reap the benefits of this cruel, unjust world. With our disconsolate women weeping we'd see them leave us behind for the stars, forever thankful for them building a civilization we could only wish admire.
>>1194300
>scientific consensus
>>1200527
genetics says otherwise. all humans are rediculously closely related. plus we know that europeans only have about 6% neaderthal DNA
>>1198882
Except once again, its a fallacy because there's no actual correlation with greater brain size or cranial sizes equating with greater cognitive abilities or functions.
>>1194281
To add to this, East Asians have the most neanderthal DNA out of any race. About 20% more than Caucasians.
https://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/2015/02/23/why-do-asians-have-twenty-percent-more-neandrathal-dna-than-europeans/
>>1201151
Actually, larger cranium size in humans correlates positively with higher IQ
https://neuroscience.stanford.edu/news/ask-neuroscientist-does-bigger-brain-make-you-smarter
Not only that, but cranium size is also unevenly distribruted geographically. Pic related.
>>1194360
Nice false equivalency. Shame it isn't relevant.
>>1194298
Well the evidence points towards that, so yes WE WUZ
Just like the Egyptians however, Niggers weren't.
>>1200311
>99,7%
>,
>997%
>997/100
>99.7/1
I am a Man with 99.7 Neanderthals
This is a pretty accurate description actually
t.britfag
>>1201517
9.97
my god am I an arse
>>1200966
its much less averages about 2%
I'm 4% myself, not sure how to feel. I do have a weirdly large chest like a barrel
What's so great about cave rings?
The neanderthal cave paintings are more impressive
>>1201213
>The relationship between brain size and intelligence, both amongst humans and between different species, has never been particularly well-defined. Humans like to believe that our exceptional cognitive abilities must indicate that we are the kings of the animal kingdom in terms of brain size, or at least that we have the largest brains relative to our body size. As nature would have it, both of these common assumptions are incorrect. Whales and elephants have much bigger brains than humans, and we have about the same brain-to-body mass ratio as mice. Since it would be against human nature to admit defeat, scientists have crafted a third measure of brain size called the encephalization quotient, which is the ratio of actual brain mass relative to the predicted brain mass for an animal’s size (based off the assumption that larger animals require slightly less brain matter relative to their size compared to very small animals).
My point is proven in your own link.
>>1194472
>skinnny fat
Nigger what? Try "some of the most effective endurance hunters to ever live". Ancient Homo sapiens literally chased down their prey until it was too tired to run. It's the same hunting strategy used by dogs, which is why H.Sapiens and dogs become so close, as they had complimentary lifestyles. A Hunter Gatherer at peak physical could chase down a horse, cheetah, or deer, given a large enough of a range, and once they got close enough they used an Atlatl to attack their query from a safe distance. They weren't muscular because they didn't need to be.
Neanderthals hid in underbrush and ambushed their prey with heavy spears. They were stocky manlets with squeaky, high pitched voices who were dependent upon a single biome: primeval black forests. When the climate changed, Neanderthals were stranded without their hunting grounds and were out-competed by the H. sapiens, who had no such trouble adapting to a temperate biome, or any other biome, for that matter.
>>1202744
>manlets
Nigger, you do know if Neanderthals survived they likely would've evolved to attain taller statures. You know what the earliest Homo Sapiens i.e. our ancestors were in terms of height at the same time? Just as short ranging between 5'4 and 5'6 in height, which is about the same as the modern Chinese average height for a male today.
>squeaky high pitched voices
Citation required.
Also Neanderthals had superior vision and could carry meat from a carcass of an animal they killed over 30 miles with no stamina problems, stronger barrel shaped rib-cage, way WAY superior upper body and arm strength too boot.
>>1203464
>Citation required
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o589CAu73UM
>>1203483
>theory
>no hard evidence
>video "documentary"
Into the trash it goes.
>>1203464
>you do know if Neanderthals survived they likely would've evolved to attain taller statures
Why would they need height in the underbrush of the black forest where instinct taught them to dwell for the entire span of their existence?
>Also Neanderthals had superior vision and could carry meat from a carcass of an animal they killed over 30 miles with no stamina problems, stronger barrel shaped rib-cage, way WAY superior upper body and arm strength too boot.
30 miles was peanuts by the standards of hunter gatherers, who were endurance hunters verses ambush hunters. And all that extra strength didn't mean diddly squat when their biome disappeared.
>Into the trash it goes.
Oh please. Where's your evidence for Neanderthal being baritones? Like everything else about Neaderthals, H.Sapiens were simply more adaptable, more versatile, and capable of working together in far larger groups. The Neanderthals were cucked by H.Sapiens.
If the Neanderthals were so great.
Where are they now?
Check mate
>>1204108
They evolved in arians or jews, depending on your theory.
>>1194321
An unsubstantiated account does not trump empirical evidence.
>>1195611
TFW you're a Neandercuck and your hairy woman is burning coal
>extinct when
>>1203594
Where is your evidence for Neanderthal's being squeaky considering their vocal cords were the exact same in both design and genetic construction as Homo Sapiens?
I bet you are one of the retards who think they didn't have a culture or language as well.
>>1196423
Stop throwing the fedora meme literally every time you get butthurt
>>1205197
But Anon, it's the only way I know how to argue!!!
>>1196423
>>1203594
>Why would they need height
The same reason we evolved height.
>30 miles was peanuts
It was to Neanderthals as well. Its incontestable fact that our cousins back then had superior, far superior in fact upper body strength in their chests and shoulders over us.
>evidence for Neanderthal being baritones
Same as the other guy said: their vocal cords and throat evolved and developed exactly the same way homo sapiens i.e. ours did, so why would they be more likely "squeakier" then us? The only thing we know anyway about their language is that it was likely more "melodic" but certainly either way far far and away from being guttural grunts.
>Neanderthal
>blond and red hair
>blue eyes
>likely pale-skined
>European range of habitation
>bigger brain
>stronger
>high caloric requirement
>Homo Sapiens
>African origin
>weaker
>dumber
>wider habitation
>more economic energy use
>interbred with Neanderthal
It sucks but the evidence is there. Homo Sapiens came up from Africa, hogging resources, and since they could survive on less they out-bred Neanderthals into non-existence. Even 20,000 years ago, /pol/ was right.
>>1209392
Where's the evidence for blond hair, blue eyes, and pale skin?
I know that they had their own mutation for red hair, but I've never read anything about blondness, and blue eyes seems to have been very recent and human-specific.
Ancestral hominids supposedly had lightly pigmented skin, like chimpanzees, but I thought the current consensus was that by the time of Homo erectus we'd adapted to be darker – so unless there was a parallel adaptation in Neanderthals to the depigmentation of humans in the north, they would have been darkish skinned. I guess that wouldn't be too unlikely, since neanderthals were up there for so long.
>>1206870
>their vocal cords and throat evolved and developed exactly the same way homo sapiens i.e. ours did, so why would they be more likely "squeakier" then us?
Their vocal cords were more compressed than ours, therefore they had much higher pitched voices. They would be physically incapable of vocalizing in the "baritone" range.
>>1209392
>It sucks but the evidence is there. Homo Sapiens came up from Africa, hogging resources, and since they could survive on less they out-bred Neanderthals into non-existence.
This would mean that Homo Sapiens is more biologically fit, and therefore, superior.
>>1194281
>
> Most successful ethnic group
> Europeans
> Ethnic group with most Neanderthal DNA
> Europeans
> Least successful ethnic group
> Africans
> Ethnic group with the least Neanderthal DNA
> Africans
>>1210760
Actualy east asians have more neanderthal dna than europeans.
Which actually supports op's hypothesis since ee have higher iqs than europeans.
>>1194349
>this mad
>>1210227
Wrong. Only evidence we have is that they had slightly "shorter" vocal chords, and its only theorized it would possibly relate but nothing DEFINITIVELY proving they had higher pitched voices which there is no scientific consensus on either way.
So stop pushing it as fact.
>>1196770
They originate from two different languages.
>>1194321
Just once - fucking once - I'd like to have a thread where Christfags resist Christposting
>>1206870
Is it not true that the Neanderthal's throat was straight, and didn't narrow, limiting the ability to form syllables and form specific sounds?
>>1194281
AYO
*fucks dog*
AYO HOL UP
*eats mayonnaise*
HOL UP
*tries to dance, fails miserably*
SO
*cuts crust off a sandwich*
U BE
*gets braces*
U BE SAYIN
*circumcises child for no reason*
WE
*watches NCIS*
WE WUZ
*celebrates St. Patrick's Day*
NEEEEAAAANDERTHALS N SHIEEEEEET!?!
>>1200351
Yeah no.
They have the Neanderthal genome. They have homo sap genomes. Homo saps in Europe and Asia have small genetic component from interbreeding, which is lacking in African lineages.
Your DNA is primarily pure Homo sap.
>>1194471
>Stop identifying /pol/ with christfaggotry.
Christfaggotry came from /pol/
>>1212251
I might be wrong in asking an obvious shitposter, but:
What are you talking about?
