Why aren't classics taught in school anymore? Why are we not at the same as we teach our children the basics of biology and chemistry also teaching them to speak Latin? Why are we not at the same time giving them original Greek all the way to modern day Philosophical texts to get them to think of problems or the world in a different way?
I'm not claiming any students today are stupid or that the educational requirements are rigorous enough. I'm just asking why they also aren't taught Classics. I think they're extremely meaningful.
They should.
The best thing I ever did in my life was reading the Classics.
If there is anything that would improve the lives of people via education is this.
>>1193807
Because modernity offers an adequate canon?
>>1193845
Learning philosophy and reading classic literature would only enrich their education.
Because education is taught solely with the mindset of getting a "job certificate" instead of what it should be, an education. Instead of learning how to be well rounded, critical thinking individual, you're taught to make other people money and look down on people who don't do certain degrees.
>>1193807
http://www.amazon.com/Western-Canon-Books-School-Ages/dp/1573225142/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1464220729&sr=8-1&keywords=harold+bloom+western+canon
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_of_Resentment
>>1193807
Resentful non-whites and women.
It would make them uncomfortable seeing all this come from Greco-Europian cultures.
Imagine if the teacher said in class "We will not be studying any personas of color or women. None of them made any contributions to philosophy or classical literature worth noting" It would piss a lot of people off but it would be true. The professor does not even need to say it, the kids will figure it from looking at who the professor mentions in class.
>>1193854
Learning anything would only enrich their education. However, schools have a limited amount of time to teach their students. You can't teach them everything , so you have to make priorities. If you want public schools to offer courses in Latin and Greek and study ancient writing, philosophy, etc, you're also going to have to pick some other courses to be removed to make room.
>>1193858
Do you think a combination of the two could be enacted? One where in elementary school the groundwork is laid out while also starting to teach children languages. Then, in jr high and high school the literature and philosophy can progress and become more and more difficult. All while you continue to be taught the basics in multiple fields, and then ADD courses to allow students to learn a marketable trade? Ie: programming, construction, electrician, plumber, mechanic, etc
>>1193807
We have mandatory philosophy classes on our last year of high school in France.
It's not even an introduction but that's at least that.
so Socrate and Plato, mostly, Descartes and Rousseau.
>>1193877
Teaching philosophy to jr high kids would be a disster. Even teaching it to high school kids is a bad idea. It should be a college thing.
Schopenhauer was right. Young kids are stupid and impressionable, if they are fed a bad ideology it becomes much harder sometimes impossible for them to unlearn so it is best to teach them things detached from it such as spelling and math.
>>1193877
not while the job market demands qualifications for jobs that really don't need it. The job market is so competitive nowadays that I don't see why schools or parents would ever see the benefit in teaching the arts.
It's disappointing really, but I understand that it's the most efficient way of churning out wage monkeys.
>>1193863
Harold Bloom sounds like an idiot. Literally none of this has to do with racism or sexism. I'm asking why they don't also add classics to the modern education requirements
>>1193807
Critical thinking inculcated by such an education would likely lead to the overthrow of the current hegemony.
>>1193807
Name?
>>1193908
You said it, B/rother!
>>1193917
Alexis Ren
>>1193898
>Harold Bloom sounds like an idiot
Wow, you sure know how to argue with one of the leading academics in literature
>>1193845
There is nothing modern that compares to the Socratic dialogues or Epictetus.
I'm not OP and I don't think they should be read in the original, but they offer something that nothing else does.
>>1193864
What about Persians, Egyptians, Hindus, and Chinese?
Surely if you wanted diversity you could branch into these.
Of Course, you'd get the WE WUZ with Egyptians in there, which would be endlessly annoying when discussing higher thought
>>1193998
To my knowledge we know pretty much nothing about Egytion philosophy nor do we have any of there classic literature.
Hinduism and Chinese have some great literature and do occupy an importaint role in philosophy. However it really only makes sense to teach them to the point where they cross over into Western culture. The Upanishads are useful if you want to understand Schopenhauer but they really aren't part of western culture. Teaching them is rather arbitrary since it is not going to relate to anything. The Chinese have even less influence than the Hindus and the parts of the Persian cannon that would be relevent (say Avicenna) are frankly a revising of Aristotle. In contrast someone like Plato you could see their influence in all sorts of other parts of the western world. And frankly class time is always limited. I would much rather teach kids about important, but less mentioned, classics like Heraclitus than spend a week on Confucius.
Another thing is that all the cultures you mentioned draw no distinction between religion and philosophy. So basically to teach Hindu philosophy you have to teach the Hindu religion first. That's already a lot of extra time in class and frankly if you want to teach the Persians, Egyptians, you also need to learn those religions. One of the unique things about Greek philosophy is that it was the first to really seperate itself from religion. That's partly why it was able to so easily spread through other cultures, because it had no theological strings attached. In contrast it's much harder to assimilate Hindu philosophy while not being a Hindu.
Children learn calculus and english, which is far more useful than some pseudo-intellectual posturing - no one has made a single argument in this nostalgic circle jerk thread. I couldn't think of one upside to switching from an international language and advanced science and mathematics to a dead language and postulating nonsense about the 'metaphysical'
>>1193863
Is there anything that critical theory hasn't ruined?
>>1194063
Critical thinking is completny necessary for the progress of humanity.
Doing math in a completly mechanical way doesnt help at all.
>>1193807
This has very little do with with the merits of any individual author or works but rather the politics that surround education.
Education has boiled down to metrics and standardized tests that reward rigid memorization and basic recall skills. Classics and philosophy do not fit into this model so they are put aside in favor of teaching children/teenagers the intricacies of test taking.
>>1194073
Just baselessly accepting previous modes of education as being superior doesn't seem very critical
>>1194093
He gave you the basis.
>tfw quadrivium and trivium will never be taught again in universities
>>1193807
because school is about passing tests
The Odyssey is still taught in American schools. As for stuff like the Aeneid, well, it frankly is not as good as the Iliad and I'm perplexed as to why people in the 19th century held it in such high regard.
>>1193807
Increasingly, since post-ww2 basically, as the economy grew, education is viewed as vocational training to fill the slots of the economy.
The classics might teach the youth what it really means to be human, and that is wisdom which can't be bought, and which can make a prince of a pauper, but all the same, we don't need six million professors of English. We need six million scientists and engineers to stay competitive in the globalized economy and keep our countries at the forefront.
You can't market knowledge of the classics like you can technical knowledge. And we're in a market driven world.
>>1193807
Because we don't need Latin to communicate with other people anymore. Learning a dead language to read a couple books makes no sense for 99.99% of the population. Keep in mind almost every single country in the world has to teach English as a second language, which is a fundamental skill. As for native English speakers, learning Spanish first and then Latin makes a lot more sense
>>1193807
Here in Europe they do teach philosophy.
But why the fuck should students learn dead languages such as Ancient Greek or Latin?
Rigourous training in mathematics and chemistry should suffice the needs of critical thinking.
>>1194103
>Reading kant make up moral imperatives endeavors critical thinking
?
>>1194157
Kant has nothing to do with it. Teaching kids today things mechanically and not to understand what the circumstances behind it is (that's literally the definition of critical thinking) is going to produce weak members of society.
>>1194135
Why can't they teach both though?
>>1193807
No child under the age of fifteen should receive instruction in subjects which may possibly be the vehicle of serious error, such as philosophy, religion, or any other branch of knowledge where it is necessary to take large views; because wrong notions imbibed early can seldom be rooted out, and of all the intellectual faculties, judgment is the last to arrive at maturity. The child should give its attention either to subjects where no error is possible at all, such as mathematics, or to those in which there is no particular danger in making a mistake, such as languages, natural science, history and so on. And in general, the branches of knowledge which are to be studied at any period of life should be such as the mind is equal to at that period and can perfectly understand. Childhood and youth form the time for collecting materials, for getting a special and thorough knowledge of the individual and particular things. In those years it is too early to form views on a large scale; and ultimate explanations must be put off to a later date. The faculty of judgment, which cannot come into play without mature experience, should be left to itself; and care should be taken not to anticipate its action by inculcating prejudice, which will paralyze it for ever.
>>1194152
I shouldve further clarified; Those languages as well as modern languages that have a history in Philosophy such as German, Italian, French, etc. would also benefit the students.
>>1193807
honestly it's a good thing
like just look at crash course and EC history, it's ridiculously easy to insert your own biases and ideology without young kids realising it
most high school classics classes would probably be on the same level as those webshows when you think about it, like both of them are written by people who could theoretically become high school history teachers at any time
it's best left for college, when (hopefully) they'll be less susceptible to this shit
>>1193807
Colleges were just 4 year long camps for the elite, who were rich as fuck and did not need a vocation. Teaching them fine but unpractical things in life. Gradually it became a vocational school especially after FDR's GI Bill . Hence the demise of the Classics
t. Classics phdfag
>>1194172
How are you going to accomplish that by teaching latin, mandatory
>>1194227
Do you even know what the term "classics" mean?
>>1194040
>Another thing is that all the cultures you mentioned draw no distinction between religion and philosophy.
Confucianism is only tangentially related to Chinese religious thought, while some Indian philosophical schools were actually atheist.
>>1194130
People in the 19th century could on average read Latin better than Greek. Also, the Aeneid is more refined than the Homeric epics, which are an amalgam of oral traditions full of repetitive formulas.
>>1194432
This is true. You might also add some strands of Buddhism.
But what does this ultimately? The goal was to make the class bearable for resentful minorities and women who will get zero representation in the course. I don't know if mentioning the Chinese will make them feel much better.
With the current PC period I think it would be difficult to even discuss the classical world without triggering some of these people. Plato thought that knowledge was the ultimate measure of man and most men were not capable of grasping the higher learning, there are even slaves in his ideal society. Can you imagine trying to teach this? A proper philosophical education would not have you mindlessly saying "nah" to this but exploring why the ideas behind it, how it shaped society and future thinkers.
It's not just the students too but the teachers. If you've seen school of life's videos the ability to take complex philosophy and boil it down into some feel good, semi-political, message is boundless.
Historically classical educations were not for the commons. I sort of agree with Plato that not everyone should be learning philosophy. The vast majority of people that pass through the education system will be doing, repetitive jobs, which require the opposite of a critical think, they require a complacent machine. That's why schools are designed to churn out complacent machines.
>>1193807
Because only cunts who want to learn that shit should spend time on it.
I dunno if making fancy allegories ought to be a thing among engineers or scientists.
>>1194553
If anything, scientists should be placed far from the classics as possible.
>Hey we found a new space-object!
>Let's uncreatively name it after Greco-Roman shit.
>>1193863
Oh, it does seem like another case of Jewish subversion...
>>1194589
>guy literally attacking "queer theory" "feminism" and all the philosophers that enabled this
>but he's a jew
Don't trust him. He must be trying to trick us when he says feminist feminist deconstructionism is bad for the nation!
/pol/ is pathetic.
>>1193807
Because the point of education nowadays is to produce good workers, and not good people
If a student wishes to learn how to be a good person, they must do so on their own time
>>1194593
it's a meme you dip
>>1193807
I'm not from the US, so I dont know how things are there, but I studied technical middle and highschool, education being STEM focused, and I don't see how replacing math, physics and chemistry for philosophy, or literature could be good, I'm from a developing country thou, so maybe this kind of things are more important to us than people in the US
>>1193807
Because most kids are disinterested and fall back on the "when will i ever use this" meme
Kids are stupid, but apparently the adults running the shit show called "education" are worse; see: common core
>>1193807
They are at Boston Latin
>>1194673
when would they ever use it then?
>>1193807
Because people are stupid /thread
>>1193807
>I think they're extremely meaningful.
Tell us why.
I would personally cut out most shit in education and reform the rest so people would end their childhood faster(but be not any less competent), while you want to prolong it. Why?
>>1193807
I'd teach her the classics if you know what I mean
Because universal education was a mistake
Education nowadays teaches us to make money and not teaching us the tools for finding the truths
>>1193807
You made me remember this TV show for teenagers (probably the best thing done here in a long time) about a philosophy teacher:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDniUfQMb8M
>>1195156
saw a few episodes
very cringey and liberal
>>1195166
>cringey
Explain yourself, please.
I do not like this "I think it is meaningful thus everyone should think it is meaingful stuff". And I have other objections to this proposal.
there are more and more classics being made every day, teaching the same stuff that was taught decades ago would be stupid
>>1195231
This person knows what's up, yo
>>1193807
Not trying to get all /pol/ here, but...
Because that would require raising the bar for primary education and whenever that happens accusations of racism/white privilege/etc. inevitably follow, schools get punished and then the grind resumes as before. Speaking frankly, most minority students just don't give a shit because of a combination of lousy parenting and home lives, lower IQs and cultures that disdain education.
>t. Went to a school that was ~30% white and witnessed all of this firsthand
>>1194179
If we follow schopenhauer, maturity is but a question of age, it may have been closer to the truth in his century but i seem to disagree nowadays. A lot of children given adult like responsabilities at the age of 13/14 seem to act more mature than 30 year old graduates who are completely out of this world and unprepared for the job market. Maturity as a question of age was teared appart in the late 20th century by the gradual disappearance of a strong parenthood (parents let their child do everything and nothing).
I do believe that Maturity, which is holding responsabilities and making thoughful choices is not a question of age but a question of environment and 'training'. A sad fact is the 90's kids were the last to truly experience the traditional kind of childhood. Nowadays, you need to mature fast to successfully enter life.
Teaching philosophy (at least it's bases) and such courses can help children grow mature where a lack of parenthod and an unadapted school system cannot.
>>1195262
>Teaching philosophy (at least it's bases) and such courses can help children grow mature where a lack of parenthod and an unadapted school system cannot.
Are you pulling this out of yer butthole or do you have some science to back this up?
>>1195251
>Not trying to get all /pol/
then gets all /pol/cat
smelled that one a mile away
go back to /pol/
I've done latin since middle school and the only thing I know is how to cheat on translations.
Also we did philosophy in high school, we had a great teacher and my former classmates remember Kant and Plato more than how to solve equations
Whats the point exactly to learn the classics exactly? If someone wants to be cultured they can just take them as voluntary classes.
>Learning latin
Jesus fuck why the fuck would you force people to learn a dead meme language? Because muh rome?
>>1193807
In France they teach most of this things in highschool
>>1193807
>Why are we not at the same as
>>1195358
i suspect you are french, causei am and it looks very much like my own experience on those two subjects
>>1195358
>remember Kant and Plato more than how to solve equations
>people will believe this is good
>>1195404
supposedly learning Latin makes it easier to learn Romance languages like Spanish or French later on
still completely stupid though, I feel like it's still around because that this like they just can't come up with a different way to teach Roman history
>>1195437
It is if you never find yourself in a profession that requires anything beyond basic mathematics.
The application of philosophy is more flexible and generally relevant to a person in every day life than the application of math (beyond basic stuff). Which isn't to say that the use of mathematics hasn't created things people need and use daily, just that they don't need to understand the math to use them.
>>1195666
Wouldn't valid psychology or sociology be better as philosophy? I never understood why there was no psychology or sociology at all during high school. When I say psychology I am not talking abut Freud and such which are no longer valid.
>>1195666
This is true. The average person is going to have no use for any math any more complicated than basic algebra, entry level probability, or the geometry necessary for building a fence.
Only people that actually go into certain jobs need to go beyond the 8th grade level.
>>1195678
Psychology and sociology are best left for college for the same reason philosophy is. 16 years old is still way to young and dumb and it will just turn into ideological watering holes for whatever agenda the staff wants to push.
>>1195693
But there actually is some philosophy during high school in the Netherlands. But in my time only in the highest educational level.
I otherwise think what you've said is valid and agree.
>>1194673
>common core
literally states decide what to teach which is garbage
>its another "picture of cute girl + nutjob conspiracy theory" thread
>>1195678
Both should be taught
>>1195703
They literally go into Hegel and Kant now in the literature textbooks of Dutch. I've seen it in my brother's book.
>>1196041
Can agree with that.
>>1194175
limited time and funds, ad like half of a class not even knowing what that teaching persin is on about anyway.
>>1195693
I don't know I think Descartes and Hume are within the range of a high school senior. And even some basic introduction to critical thinking would do a hell of a lot of good for those who bother to pay attention.
>>1194567
>the sonic hedgehog gene
>Raichu factor
scientists can be a pretty cringey bunch
>>1196356
What do you think of biologists:
>Scaptia beyonceae
>Anophthalmus hitleri
>Agathidium cheneyi
>Agathidium bushi
>Aptostichus barackobamai
>Litarachna lopezae
And so on and so on.
>>1193807
Fuck you. Why should I learn langaugaes that have no connection to our culture or history(or even destroyed it) and which is also useless and only a source of snobbery. A better question would be why arent we learning old versions of our language? Why should old english, a language concerning the ethnogenesis of your ownn people, be more unworthy than learning latin or greek.
INb4 "classic superior civilisation" there were plenty of other civilisations during those times that also had an equally crucial role. Why not also learn old Persian, Assyrian, Egyptian or Pheonician?
I personally rather have other people learn old languages and translate it for me. It requires quite a bit of time investement to learn a new language.
I rather use that time I would spend to learn an old language reading a diverse range of philosophers (among other sciences).
>>1196408
I am one tbqhwyf, the cell-biology/physiology type though.
I even do the same kind of shit
Why doesn't everyone study what I'm interested in? Why should they study things that I'm not interested in?
>>1196434
Because people who spoke old english contributed nothing, without romans you were the equal of sandniggers of modern era.
>>1196672
They contributed to english culture and its further development. Romans didnt exist by the 6-7th centuries. This isnt about contribution, this is about learning your people's history.
If we're gonna talk about contribution, why shouldnt you learn old french since it was spoken when england was strongest in medieval times?
Im so thankful my nation isnt full of roman worshipping bitchcucks and we actually take pride in our national cultural history, with many people in Bulgaria choosing to learn old church slavonic( old bulgarian) rather than greek or latin.
>>1196354
Epistemology and basic logic is probably the only thing I think high schoolers should study.
It's the type of thing that's "hard" like physics or math so there isn't a real risk of them fucking it up. The teacher can objectivily show them where they are wrong in their thinking if they make a mistake. In contrast something like Nietzsche or Hegel would be something where it would be nightmarish to have general-ed high school teachers giving it to kids that havn't even mastered critical thinking.
because you don't have a receptive stock. Schools stopped being boy's clubs and that has to be acknowledged in the race to bottom.
>>1193807
The classics were taught so that students could read the bible in its original language(s). Now schools ban the bible.
>>1196880
>The classics were taught so that students could read the bible in its original language
A classical education involves philosophy and the Greek epics.
> Now schools ban the bible
This is objectively false.
>>1196880
as they should when the government is paying for it
because the STEMlords in charge think it's a useless byproduct of le brave engineers and scientists. essentially creating a generation of mindless redditor sheep who think programming e-sports video games is the greatest thing in life
>>1195694
Are you retarded? Bloom's the one ATTACKING the people who are trying to tear down western literature and western canon by pozzing it up with all their critical theory nonsense.
Anyone else here a Eurocentrist or Western supremacist?
>>1193807
In Greece we are taught Ancient Greek from the age of 13 and we also study the Odyssey and Iliad. Then, from the age of 16, we all have philosophy lessons, mostly Greek philosophers, and Latin lessons, while studying ancient texts like Herodotus and others
Latin is still taught in Germany and it's a huge waste of time and public funding.
They are taught in school. Your country just has a shit education system. My school taught Latin and Classics
Our english teacher taught us some classics so we would have a better understanding of literature. He was a good guy
>>1199017
Right here buddy.
I still think teaching students the classics would be a disaster unless we completely replace all none physics and math classes with it (sorry bio and check, someone has to take the hit). We would also have to heavily screen teachers because 90% of them today are just bored, dissatisfied propagandists. We would also have to hire more teachers as even 20 student classrooms would devolve into bickering.
In sweden we have gender science. It has infiltrated the physics, history, linguistics and much more. I fucking hate this country.
Linguistics needs to be thought badly. I'm tired of hearing the "language is deteriorating" meme.
Language changes, man.
I learnt it for two years at a grammar school and it was fucking pointless, as soon as it was no longer compulsory I chose ICT
I learnt French and German, thought that maybe Latin would help but it didn't one bit
>>1193864
>it would be true
>>1196523
Education is not about learning 'what you're interested in'; it's about being educated in things you are not interested in.
>>1200865
>learnt
>>1201318
Maybe he didn't learn English
>>1201020
So we should learn about dust, the different types of spoons, and the mating strategies of grasses? Or does that actually interest you?
>>1193863
>Paglia further argued that the introduction of politics into literary criticism (e.g., the view that no book which demeans women can be great literature) can enable a dangerous and Stalinistview of art wherein all art is "subordinate to a prefab political agenda."[4]
Triggered
>>1196728
Church Slavonic can be considered an extension of the greco-roman culture tbqh.
>education system trying to turn me into a Greco-Romanaboo
Nice try Mario
>>1193807
Learning the original languages aren't necessary at a public school level, that is reserved for college. Books such as the Odyssey are read in high school.
But yeah ever since the early 20th century education has become primarily about science and math when they used to teach literature and rights.
>>1203529
>the early 20th century education has become primarily about science and math
now it's about liberalism and environmentalism cuz math and science is racist
Because education is for everybody. Teaching the classics would require familiarizing the students with the vernacular of the day (as anyone who has read a classic in a public high school knows). Not every student has the patience for that. So, schools tend to opt for contemporary works, as the language is easier for less interested students to understand and modern stories tend to resonate well with contemporary youth, at least more so than classics. (For obvious reasons)
TL;dr most kids don't give a shit and schools probably find it easier not to explain the evolution of language alongside reading comprehension
Also remember that schools are meant to educate, and being familiar with the classical literary canon is honestly only necessary for a liberal arts education (That's not to say it isn't beneficial). That's why you get the opportunity to study this shit in college, because now you're paying for it.
>>1193845
I don't dispute this in theory, enough great books have been written over the past 150 years or so to communicate the ideas about humanity the classics are used to teach.
That said, the classics are also taught partly to teach the roots of western civilization, which can't be replaced by Dickens or Orwell. And a lot of modern books chosen for school reading really are shit.
>>1193858
Honestly, we're in an awkward mix of the two, at least here in the US.
American schools are ceaselessly fixated on making students competitive in a global marketplace (or they claim to be), so you have shit like cutting recess/art/gym/kindergarten pageants, but there are also constant demands to teach "life skills" nonsense, so you have "health" classes that are basically extended anti-drug lectures and vehicles for vapid easily-breakable metaphors (at least I lucked out in "character ed" and got a bro teacher who taught us blackjack).
We aren't quite at the "solely for certificates" stage because we still have too much extraneous crap to keep kids occupied. Just putting kids in trade school would probably be a step up in many cases.
>>1193807
I studied classics at school from when I was 13. Greek and Latin too. But the only Greek I remember is "ep'heirei se outon" (badly transliterated), which means "wake up" (literally "lift yourself")
>>1193807
Because the focus on Greek and Latin is a hangover from the days when education was only for the aristocracy, and hence was more of a programme of cultural and personal refinement then an actual necessity.
These days, education is very much focused on what's vocational, what employers and university courses are looking for, and no one cares if you have a knowledge of Latin or Ancient Greek. Even if you're applying for a course in the Classics, you need to at least have As or at least Bs in English and Maths.
>>1193807
my HS is one of the few on the planet that teach how translate both Latin and Ancient Greek
>>1203667
I always played hookey on health day. To this day, I have never seen a video of a live birth, and I never will.
Men who aren't doctors should not have to look at a head coming out of a vagina. That's just wrong.
>>1204567
>A moron
What he said is true. Nowadays education is just getting a degree.
>>1204281
Math isn't plural britbong
>>1193892
Plato says almost exactly in book 2 of the republic
>>1204611
And that's not a bad thing
Latin and Greek as languages are ultimately useless besides naming things in traditional fields of the sciences. Also, you pick up the vocab definitions passively already anyway.
Some schools overdo reading not just classics, but as a whole. My elementary, middle, junior high, and high school all had three days a week after lunch where you HAD to read, one of which you had to read a designated "classic". You couldn't even work on homework.
>>1193807
Because placing elevated importance on one set of cultural precepts is seen as an extension of the hegemony that contemporary scholars are attempting to undo. Sort of like posting skinny, light-skinned, scantily-clad ladies and assuming everyone will respond positively so such an image.
>>1205390
You judge thinking by its source instead of its contents?
>>1205390
I feel like this is an excuse, as it's not like it's being replaced by a more diverse humanities education of similar quality. Humanities have stopped making inroads into mass culture since like the 70s, so now all scholars can do is pat themselves on the back by saying that at least people arn't reading the bad books that bad people wrote.
>>1205408
Quite the opposite. The ideas and concepts one finds in the "classics" are found in many different cultures. If we were really interested in teaching the ideas, we would be using as many varieties and instantiations of them as we can without regard to their source.
>>1205476
I agree. We should absolutely replace it with a more diverse humanities education, and one that blends the study of art and language with that of science and math. Literally everything, after all, is a Humanity, when it comes right down to it.
>>1193807
Most of them cant understand it.
>>1203529
Latin would unironically be more useful than Spanish in the American education system.
>>1193807
Because science is actually important and useful you dumb shit.
>>1193981
>Hurr durr it's so amazing because it's old
>Let's forget how they got most of their shit wrong and is child play by todays standards
>>1204567
Are you always a retard, or do you just play one on the internet?
>>1193981
cut the hipster shit
>Hurr durr music was better in the 60's, modern music sucks
>I was born in the wrong philosophical era
>>1193858
t. butthurt liberal arts major
>>1193864
>no women or non-whites ever made any contribution to philosophy or classical literature
Holy FUCK
>>1206833
Most of what they teach about science to kids is not really useful at all for day to day life.
>>1195678
Both Psych (at least AP Psychology) and Sociology are taught at even the shittiest american high schools. Granted, they're shitty forms of psych and sociology with shitty teachers (why would someone ever want to teach high school psychology). I remember the Psychology teacher taught some of the students Iridology as a valid method of diagnoses.
>>1193858
The "educating how to be critical... yadda yadda" shit always boils down to unemployable people screaming ideology at their students.
>>1209154
Yep, that "we don't teach our students what to think, but how to think" meme is total fucking bullshit and literal support of brainwashing
We don't need more bullshit. We need to teach them more science, math, and history.
In all seriousness, children should be introduced to all subjects and then helped pursue whatever they want.
