A Christian woman converts to Judaism for personal reasons. If she gives birth post-conversion, are the children considered jewish since jewish-ness is passed matrilineally even though she's not a genetic jew?
>>1186223
Yes, but whether or not other communities or Israel would recognize their Jewishness is another matter altogether.
Jews allow people to convert?
>>1186232
Mary Doria Russell, author of The Sparrow, converted to Judaism
>>1186223
You should ask the folks in >>>/int/ or >>>/pol/. You are certain to get an animated response from around the globe.
>>1186223
Yes, of course, Judaism is not a biological race.
However only strict orthodox conversions count universally.
>4chan is so mired in /pol/-type demented propaganda it literally adopted the Hitlerite understanding of what is a Jew
>>1186301
>getting this triggered by someone daring to ask a question about Jews
>>>>/leftypol/
>>1186232
umm yes
>>1186223
Yes. Judaism is not a race, they're a religion and ethnic group.
>>1186223
What the fuck is a "genetic jew"? If you're going to live in the 19th century, can you please leave computers alone?
>>1186223
It depends on which kind of Judaism she converted into.
For the purposes of this question, it's important to distinguish between religious and ethnic Jews.
"Ethnic Jews" consist of multiple different, but similar, ethnic groups. You have your Ashkenazim, your Sephardim, your Mizrahim, et cetera. They each function in exactly the same manner as any other ethnic group, although they're grouped together both because they're genetically relatively similar to one another and, of course, because of their association with Judaism.
Religious Judaism is, well, the religion of Judaism. It's notable among Abrahamic faiths for not being easy to convert into - you're actually discouraged from doing so, and even if you're allowed to convert you're generally required to learn the rules and traditions of Jewish religion and culture before being allowed to fully convert. However, once you do convert, you are the same as any other Jew for religious purposes - you can marry any other Jew freely (except for Kohanim) and, if you're a woman, all of your children will be considered Jewish.
Now that we're done with that, we can move onto the issue of the different branches of Judaism, and how this may affect this question.
Yes. That's how Ashkenazim were created essentially, European women intermarrying and converting to Judaism. Converts are to be treated 100% as a born Jew.
>>1186232
Duh?
Read the fucking Torah, goy
Specifically the book of Ruth
>>1186368
>Commanding a gentile to read the Torah
Smh
>>1186368
The book of Rut is not in the Torah.
No, Anon, you are the goy.
>>1186359
>>1186223
There's three main branches of Judaism - Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform. (I'm including Reconstructionist Judaism as a subset of Reform Judaism.) They differ mostly in terms of how closely their adherents follow Jewish law - Orthodox Jews follow everything to the letter, Conservative Jews take some liberties for convenience's sake, and Reform Jews are the least strict adherents. Note that these are not strictly defined categories; rather, they're general groupings used to approximate the beliefs of certain parts of the Jewish population. Although many synagogues self-identify as Orthodox, Conservative, and Reform and although national and international organisations exist to represent all three, a Jew's personal beliefs are, well, highly personal, and may not fit neatly into any of the categories presented above - For example, a Jew may go to a Reform synagogue even though their beliefs actually fall somewhere in between Reform and Conservative, or vice versa.
Similarly, one doesn't really convert into "Orthodox" or "Reform" Judaism - one converts under the auspices of an individual rabbi who may just so happen to identify themselves as belonging to one of these groups.
If this theoretical covert converted under the auspices of an Orthodox rabbi, all mainstream Jews would accept her as one of them. If she converted into Conservative Judaism, she would only be seen as Jewish by Conservative and Reform Jews. If she converted into Reform Judaism, she would only be accepted by other Reform Jews.
The reason some converts may not be considered "Jewish" by certain parts of the population is due to the doctrinal differences between the groups - an Orthodox rabbi, for example, is unlikely to view a Reform convert as "Jewish", because she was taught Judaism the wrong way by someone who they may not even considered to be an actual rabbi. However, most Reform rabbis consider Orthodox Judaism and their converts to be entirely valid.
>>1186379
To make this situation even more confusing, all branches of Judaism are equally recognised by the secular Israeli government, and thus all converts have the Right of Return to Israel. However, Israel also has religious courts for nearly every religion represented in the country (Jewish, Catholic, Orthodox, and Sharia, to name a few. Yes, Israel has fully recognised Sharia courts whose decisions are respected by the secular government). They deal with what is broadly known as "family law" - marriage, divorce, inheritance, burial, et cetera. Seqular equivalents don't exist in Israel, by the way. It's a holdover from the days of the Ottoman Empire, and is about as fucked as everything else they ever did.
There's only one Jewish religious court. Remember, all the "branches" are unofficial groupings - there's really only one Judaism. The Jewish courts in Israel are comprised entirely of Orthodox Jews, who, as mentioned above, don't recognise other branches as valid. This means that one can convert to Judaism, move to Israel, and not be allowed to marry a Jewish woman or be buried in a Jewish grave because they converted to a non-Orthodox branch. You would have to convert *again*, this time to Orthodox Judaism, to get around this.
Two tangential notes - the religious nature of Israeli family court is why interfaith marriages are relatively rare, not because the Israeli government is apartheid. Neither a Jewish nor a Sharia court would approve of intermarriage. However, because foreign marriages are recognised, most people simply go to Cyprus to get married, if they have the means to do so.
Second, the Right of Return laws in Judaism deliberately mirror the Nuremburg laws - anyone with a Jewish grandparent has the right of return. This was done to allow all Jewish Holocaust survivors to return, but someone who immigrates under the right of return but doesn't have a Jewish mother faces a similar problem to the convert in the above scenario.
Any questions?
>>1186398
>all branches of Judaism are equally recognised by the secular Israeli government, and thus all converts have the Right of Return to Israel
Even Humanistic Judaism?
>>1186470
I mean, there's a limit. For example, Messianic Judaism can fuck right off. Just convert to Orthodox Christianity if you're that autistic
>>1186470
To answer your question more specifically, Humanistic Judaism isn't s religion, ergo by "converting" to it you haven't actually converted into the Jewish faith.
>>1186488
I have never understood if they really want to be Jews or act like that to convert all Jews to Christianity
>>1186503
I'm guessing there's a 50/50 split between them
>>1186398
>all branches of Judaism are equally recognised by the secular Israeli government, and thus all converts have the Right of Return to Israel
This is due to an extremely recent court ruling (like, a couple of months old) which I'm pretty sure is not going to last for much longer. Once Arie Deri is indicted and the Ministry of Interior goes to someone from Shas with less qualms about those kind of things, they'll either turn it around or find a way to weasel around it.
>>1186301
>Matrilineal passing of Jewness
>Hitleric understanding of what is a Jew
You have absolutely no knowledge of either Jews or Hitler
>>1186223
Dumb goyim can never be one of the chosen
>>1188048
Under the Nuremberg Laws I would have legally passed as a goy and escaped state perseecution, despite having a Jewish grandmother. Under Israel's Right of Return, I am Jewish enough to qualify for Jewish citizenship.
So yes and no.
>>1189492
If you have a Jewish grandma you'd be counted as mischling at the very best. Whether or not you'd be #ovened depends on a lot of other variables though.447
>>1189919
>implying anyone were "ovened"
>>1190069
>asks legitimate and actually kind of interesting question
>wow le rayciss ebil nazi! go back 2 r/pol/ lmao xD
>>1190091
He's right though. Ever since GG this website is becoming "/pol/ and friends".
