Isn't actually Brezhnev the one who destroyed CCCP?
>>1180341
How the fuck this incompetence fucktard manage to become a premier?
>>1180341
No, the beginning of the end was Khrushchev.
>>1180364
They were afraid of another Stalin so they opted for dull idiots.
>>1180364
a coup within politburo
Brezhnev and his GRU fraction got mad at Khruschev for losing Philosopher's legacy
>>1180388
Except Brezhnev was just a puppet. And he was a puppet for reason.
>>1180367
As you say, he was the beginning of the end, but maybe not the finality of the situation
>>1180519
Why we don't just say Lenin was the beginning of the end while we are at it?
>>1180519
Stalin in terms of the downfall of the revolution was simply the end.
However he was if anything the beginning of massive USSR success.
>Blaming one man for everything
I thought /his/ was supposed to be better than this.
>>1180523
In truth, c'est la faute à Voltaire.
>>1180388
KUWABARA
KUWABARA
>>1180367
Khrushchev killed Stalin
he led the coup and doomed ussr to failure
>>1180587
It's Beria who killed Stalin, you dolt. And then he got btfo by Kruschev and crew.
>>1180341
Yes and No. Surely it wasn´t his fault alone but he was the perfect embodiment of the stagnation that plagued the soviet establishment. Under his leadership the median age of the politbureau raised to over 70. He wasn´t even able to properly profit from the vietnam war. His only achievement was a period of internal peace for the SU witch in the long run damaged them even more.
The guy literally was a living soviet meme and he didn´t even play in the same league as stalin or krushev.
Oh and also of Afghanistan my dudes.
>>1180364
He was incompetent in economics, political theory and things like that, but he was good friend for like everybody in the party so they chose him because it would be comfy.
>>1180341
His attack on the Kosygin reforms damaged an attempt to reform the economy, and also a man who genuinely seemed like a person who wanted to reform the USSR.
>>1180341
If Kosygin had been General Secretary instead of Brezhnev, then the USSR very well may have received the economics reforms that it needed to adapt and persevere, not entirely unlike Xiaoping's reforms. Even better had he been followed up by someone like Ryzhkov.
In terms of domestic policy, its impossible to say how he would have managed, but I do believe that the USSR would exist today (in a modified state) had they listened to Kosygin.
>>1180672
What about Beria? He also tried to turn USSR into more western friendly.
>>1180593
>kruschev dindu nuffin, he a good boy
>we caught dat beria badass good dis time
oh no not kruschev, it was beria. kruschev and the gang caught the bad guy and saved ussr
being this gullible
>>1180709
I never said that I support Kruschev, you fucking retard. If I have to say, I actually leaning toward Beria rather than Kruschev.
>>1180696
Beria did some really fucked up shit as chief of police, he was hated by everyone and it was only logical they got rid of him
I don't think he would have the best interests of the nation in mind if he came to power, he was a ruthless sociopath just like Stalin
>>1180718
> he was a ruthless sociopath just like Stalin
Actually, he was more like Hitler. Different kind of ruthless sociopath.
>>1180749
>like Hitler
How? What do they have in common?
>>1180749
Nah. I would disagree there. Just look at his rapes. The man had different motives than hitler.
>>1180696
By most accounts Beria was a rapist and a monster, who died like a bitch at the end. That being said, I have heard some people suggest that much of his reputation was the result of posthumous slander rather than being based on real events. I haven't looked into that yet.
Regardless, he was disliked by a lot of the Soviet leadership, hence his demise. During his temporary co-leadership of the USSR, he made a number of moves towards liberalization. He very well may have been an excellent statesman (in spite of his personal failings), but we will never know.
I don't think he was particularly dedicated to Communism as an ideology, not in the way other high ranking party members were. I think that he would have been absolutely ruthless and perhaps overzealous in dealing with dissent. Had he the chance to solidify a powerbase (which I don't think was possible, he was disliked too much) then he probably would have ruled with initial promise before becoming a stereotypical dictator looking out for his own personal interests; I doubt he would have continued sharing power with Malenkov, Molotov, or anyone else for long.
>>1180388
basically every premier after stalin was a coup.
>>1180519
>Solidification of Lenin's work, USSR's rise from peasant country to become a global superpower
>Beginning of the end
>>1180808
Every beginning is the beginning of the end. Stalin was responsible for rise of the bureaucracy and of others bad practices. Certainly it wasn't the death sentence, but still it created its share of problems in the end.
i think gorby did it
>>1180558
>Union
>of
>Soviet
>Socialist
>Republics
>>1180715
I never said that u support Kruschev, you fucking retard.
kv was the coup guy and then imposed destalinization. he set himself up as a hero who caught da bad guy, to fool idiots like you
>>1180798
>slander and destalization
well that was part of kruschka's coup
>>1180954
BASED
>>1180954
If only Molotov took power instead of Krushchev.
Molotov was described as a competent statesman and diplomat and a firm Stalinist. If he took power instead, there would be no destalinization and likely no major ideological divide within the commie bloc.
>>1180341
>the one who destroyed CCCP
Are you idiots seariously implying the Soviet Union was a working functioning thing before some guy (bein Brezhnev or Gorbachev or whatever) appeared and single-handedly ruined it? What a bunch of simpletons.
>After a speech, Brezhnev confronts his speechwriter. "I asked for a 15-minute speech, but the one you gave me lasted 45 minutes!" The speechwriter replies: "I gave you three copies..."
>>1181714
It worked fine, not perfectly, but worked. Then evil mastermind Gorbachev ruined everything for pizza.
>>1181881
> At the 1980 Olympics, Brezhnev begins his speech. “O!” – applause. “O!” – more applause. “O!” – yet more applause. “O!” – an ovation. “O!!!” – the whole audience stands up and applauds. An aide comes running to the podium and whispers, “Leonid Ilyich, that’s the Olympic rings, you don’t need to read it!”
>>1181885
>Then evil mastermind Gorbachev ruined everything for pizza.
kek
>>1181881
kek
>>1181685
true, but krusxhevs gang forcibly removef stalin from power
>>1180341
I don't know much, but conventional wisdom says that it's Brezhnev who completely ossified the structures of the SU, thwarted every attempt at economic reform and decided to make military spending the SU's n°1 priority.
When Gorbachev became premier, there wasn't much he could do to save the crippled bureaucracy Brezhnev left.
>>1181714
Well look at China, even though they fucked up several times, the Communist Party is still in power, unlike Russia.
Also why do people here despise Khurschev? Is it a stalinist meme or do people have legitimate concerns?
>>1182311
He fucked everything up.
Ruined relations with China
Almost started a Nuclear War
Was so obsessed with space race that left his people to starve and his own agricultural reforms failed miserably
>>1182311
The Communist Party is still in charge of China because they abandoned communism in favor of crony capitalism.
>>1180367
>>1180504
>>1180519
>>1180523
>>1180539
>>1180808
>>1180830
"...gar lustig fand´s der Leonid, als man an seinem Breschnew zieht."
>>1183095
preddy much
My university professor had told us that USSR was in crisis since Khrushchev's coup. Khrushchev idiotic reforms stopped soviet economy from evolving,
>>1183095
fixed
>>1183095
>>1185905
>>1186142
1991 coup =! 1993 crisis
>>1186142
But Gorbachev's attempts at reform were political, not economic, so it doesn't really make sense for him to kick out the hammer and sickle.
>>1185905
>>1186142
Why was he so based, bros?
>>1186142
needs to end with gorbachev's pizza hut advert
>>1186424
Yeltsin's regime was the first time the Russians were truly free, free from communism and tzarism alike.
He tried his best to make Russia into a prosperous power but the corruption and selfish, twisted mentality of the new Russian peoples were too much for him to handle. Which is why he abandoned his post in favor of the young and ambitious Putin, too tired to notice and become aware of the beast hiding behind those innocent eyes of blue.
>>1186403
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-z9wfueMAw
>>1186481
The first time russians had real poverty, unemployment and homelessness in half a century.
>>1181885
>>1186454
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fgm14D1jHUw
It's like they made an advert just to spit on the dead Soviet empire. Gorbachev acts completely indifferent to it is more surprisisng. However I doubt he knew it would look like this in the end result. Might've been a 'yeah why not' moment on his side when he recieved the request to be there to begin with.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jG0o9RJEbY
He's very down to earth. All he really wanted to do was to fix the situation.
>>1186543
Don't blame him but blame having a centrally planned economy for 70 years that is doomed to fail under a free market.
>>1186627
Now that's quality black humor right there.
>>1180367
The beginning of the end was when the revolution failed in Germany, setting the commies on course to be at war and thus require a powerful centralized state to make war. Barring a miracle worker getting in charge the problems that led to the USSR's collapse were inevitable, inherent to the system.
