will battlefield 1 be an accurate representation of world war one?
>>1280184
>65 soldiers fought in ww1
>2,000,000 americans fought in ww1
>350,000 of these were black
>most of these were in support roles only
>black americans only made up 0.5% of soldiers during ww1
>an afro american is the character on the box art
>le frenchman despite losing almost all their men during the war continues to be ignored
>is the game an accurate representation of world war one?
no, its a misrepresentation of history that will just make black Americans think they aren't only the kings of egypt but also saved europe in ww1
>>1280205
65 million*
>>1280205
This
No hate for blacks, but he is right
>>1280205
WE WUZ SOLDIERS
>>1280214
>>1280213
>>1280208
>mfw most of the games maps will take place in France but there wont be any french troops in game
>>1280184
I'm just going to enjoy all these rare guns being rendered in high detail.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19hohCtdJ4Y
>>1280246
Nobody wants to play as a coward
>>1280246
Honestly I just want to see British soldiers. I really wish the protag was British and that most of the characters are British. I've gotten tired of all the American action heroes and I think we'd all like to see a bit of moustached, posh accented honourable british soldiers in a game for once.
>>1280261
You are right.
I would love to play as a German soldier as well, they were not as evil as in ww2
>>1280184
>muslim women
>riding a horse
>in arabia
>for bedouin tribe
>in the 1910s
did this actually happen or is ea just trying to shoehorn some women in?
if they were gong for the shoehorning tactic they could of done what cod:finest hour did 15 years ago and made her some sniper.
>>1280275
How historically viable is this?
I've delt with bedouins in the past and they just seemed like any other middle eastern who treated their women like second class "citizens"
>>1280275
Incredibly unlikely. There's no way bedouins would let their women fight in a war.
>>1280269
I wouldn't say they were evil in ww2 either. Most wehrmacht soldiers were just that, soldiers; they did what they were told. It's the ss who were cunts. But yeah, I would like to play as a German as well but considering the current political climate surrounding all forms of entertainment, I doubt EA would bother taking the risk
>>1280184
its going to be ww2 with mustard gas.
>>1280300
>I wouldn't say they were evil in ww2 either. Most wehrmacht soldiers were just that, soldiers; they did what they were told. It's the ss who were cunts. But yeah, I would like to play as a German as well but considering the current political climate surrounding all forms of entertainment, I doubt EA would bother taking the risk
You are right in both points.
This whole overly pc culture we are living in is bothering me t b h.
I talked with my grandfather when I was a child and he told me about a captured wehrmacht soldier.
He was just a afraid 19 years old kid fighting for a ideology he doesn't even understand.
My grandfather was young to tho, so he was in the same situation but on the other side.
>>1280184
>watches Lawrence of Arabia once
Should have followed the Russians.
>get raped by German machine guns for several hours of gameplay
>get sick of this shit
>shoot your CO
>go home
>join the Bolsheviks
>get shot in the revolution
>die
>>1280300
Nazi ideology ran deep in the military. A lot, if not most of these men had spent at least some of their formative years in Nazi-approved education systems. They committed their fair share of war crimes, too.
I'm not saying they were all baby eating monsters, but the Wehrmacht was far from apolitical.
Let's just be happy that ww1 is getting AAA game.
No french units from what I've seen.
So need I say more?
>>1280356
I'm sorry mate, this is the history board, you must obviously have clicked the wrong board.
>>1280414
I think you mean an AAA game is getting a WW1 reskin
It doesn't resemble World War 1 in any way except for asset models.
everyone except snipers gets automatic or semiautomatic weapons
so far no french have been seen or alluded to
these two things alone ought to answer your question
>>1280205
Yes, they're trying too hard
Sweden, btw...
>>1280205
>accurate statistical representation
WHEN WILL WE GET CHINESE LABORER DLCS?
>>1280259
>largest contributor to the allied cause in WW1
>cowards
Please kill yourself before procreating you ignoramus.
![558467-royalrun[1].png](https://i.imgur.com/lEdrDfs.jpg "558467-royalrun[1].png")
>>1280184
It will be about as historical accurate as Battlefield 1942. Anyone bitching about this game being "historically inaccurate" or "disrespectful to history" don't really play video-games but just want to have something to bitch about since they have no idea what kind of franchise Battlefield is.
It's like bitching about the amount of violence in Quentin Tarantino movies.
>>1280800
>don't really play video-games
>implying
>>1280815
>being this afraid of people who have different views than you
The only "agenda" behind this game is EA trying to make money by not making the same WWII/modern warfare/future warfare games that we have gotten since the beginning of time
Of course.
I wonder if they'll manage to remove France from the Napoleonic Wars or maybe the Hundred Years War next.
>>1280842
>WWII/modern warfare/future warfare game
bf1 is just bf4: mustard gas edition
>>1280246
They showed a couple French soldiers in concept art and apparently they will be in a DLC
http://www.lemonde.fr/pixels/article/2016/06/13/on-a-essaye-battlefield-one-le-jeu-video-qui-fait-revivre-la-premiere-guerre-mondiale_4949081_4408996.html?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter&utm_campaign=Echobox&utm_term=Autofeed#link_time=1465804950
>>1280788
But he's right.
France is universally associated with lameness and cowardice. It would make no commercial sense to include them even if they wanted to, since nobody would want to play as them.
At this point being forgotten completely is the best possible outcome for France, it's that or being remembered as nothing but a joke.
>>1280859
They're fighting in their own country but they're adding them in as paid DLC? Should have expected it from EA
>>1280859
ie the DLC that nobody will buy.
>>1280864
Only by retards and memeshitters
Fair enough though, that's exactly the market for Battlefield
>>1280859
Kind of like adding Germany in DLC.
It's a battlefield game, so no, it wont be historically accurate.
Verdun is quite accurate. I just got 5 kills in a row with my Lee Enfield, felt bad ass as fuck, these Germans kept running through the trench at me but the man minute held them off.
Whereas Battlefield 1 literally does not have any Bolt Action rifles other than with mandatory scopes, making them Snipers. It's a reskin of BF4 with a WW1 Theme.
>>1280269
No one was really evil in ww1. The whole reason why ww1 isn't romanticized as much as 2 is because ww1 was a very grey war morality wise, it started because a man from a country shot an official from another, that country declares war on the country of the offending man's because there was huge tensions all over Europe at the time, and said country thought... Shit, I'm just going to call them what they are, Austria thought the man was hired by the serbian government or something, and they didn't take the chance, and declared war, Serbia had powerful allies, Austria had powerful allies and the war that resulted was politics in a textbook. Do note that I'm going off memory, that it may not have been Serbia that was the initial target, and that Austria was at the time an empire. I need to brush up on my ww1 history, and i may be entirely wrong, and my point is that ww1 was a war caused by politicians being politicians.
>>1280878
mad minute*
>>1280880
I'm probably so wrong on so many things...
>>1280815
If they want to show diversity, why don't they just add the austro-hungarian army?
>>1280859
What the fucks with BF1 and maces.
>>1280880
Yeah no.
Serbia was occupied by Austria, the assassin was a Serbian nationalist. Austria then accused Russia of supporting the Serbians. This would have remained a conflict between Austria and Russia, but then Germany completely chimped the fuck out and went to war with both Russia and France, invading it through neutral Belgium.
In the places they occupied (especially Belgium) the Germans massacred civilians, burned down entire towns, purposefully destroyed monuments and historical artefacts... They also started using illegal chemical weapons and flamethrowers. And yes they already couldn't stop going on about the racial superiority of Germany and its right to enslave the inferior races.
The story about how "nobody was at fault in WW1 because the true culprit was nationalism" is a myth created to aid in post-war reconciliation and European federalism.
>>1280891
They did...
The armies included are
- Britain
- USA
- Italy
- Germany
- Austria-Hungary
- Ottoman Empire
>>1280895
I dont mind it, i like the idea, however it seems a failure. They talk about melee weapons all the time but in all the gameplay ive seen one guy whack someone with an axe and it was an instant kill animation, no actual combat, even quick time combat reactions would be nice.
>>1280783
chink pandering is cancer
Fucking kek no
The game has literaly nothing to do with WW1 except for some assets
so, any colonial troops like the injuns?
>>1280800
I don't care if it's historically inaccurate, but it insults the war and everyone who fought in it.
>>1280864
You're on /his/ not /int/ or /pol/
From what I heard there is no france but there is America
Just mental
>>1280800
The game fails in every single aspect to represent the war
It fails in technology depiction, gameplay and history
It's just a WWII game with WWI assets and retards like you who just said "it's just a game" are only proof that people who play video games are brain dead morons eating up shit just because it's the current shit being eaten
kys
>no M1 Garand
>no MP40
>no nazis
it's not
>>1280943
You've thinking of the wrong injuns. Indians are dot while Injuns are feather
>>1280955
/int/ is cool with us
>>1280246
Excuse me, what? Are you serious? WWI game with no French troops in it must be a fucking joke. Why don't they make a WWII game if they want evil Nazis vs good Anglos,? That would make at least some sense.
>>1280353
kek
>>1280878
I played it in the beta but didn't quite like it. Did the gameplay get better? I found it quite boring back then.
>>1280864
>France is universally associated with lameness and cowardice
>Universally
LITERALLY only in America. Most other countries in the world know better, often through first hand experience. Not that Americans aren't in a position to know how wrong they are, but America's historical conciousness doesn't go back any further than living memory.
>>1281089
Wanna know what's worse? That black protagonist you see plastered everywhere? A Harlem Hellfighter. You know, that unit that was under direct orders of the French military because the Americans refused to fight side by side with an all black unit? Technically making them a French unit for the duration of the war? Even though France isn't in the fucking game?
>>1280961
>fails in gameplay
what was the gameplay like in ww1?
>>1280955
And historiography belongs on /his/.
>>1281097
>LITERALLY only in America. Most other countries in the world know better
Nah he's right. By now I've heard this from Poles, Russians, Croats, Hungarians, Brits, Italians, Germans, Swedes, Finns, Latin Americans... you name it.
t. French
>>1281142
On /int/ I imagine? I doubt they'd have this attitude in real life, other than maybe the Brits but they made Francophobia into their national sport.
>>1281148
All over the internet, any imageboard, any forum, any Youtube or newspaper comment section... anywhere really.
Of course in real life foreigners never say what they really think, I assume because they don't want to get punched in the face.
Nope.
WW1 for ratkids.
>>1281133
Aye, and american made memes are not historiography.
>>1281146
Yes it's confirmed to be DLC. They were lucky, Russia is not even confirmed as DLC.
>>1281172
Of course they are. They're what everyone in the future will remember. Just like everything we believe about Mesopotamians, Persians etc comes from ancient Greek memes.
1000 years from now France will be remembered as either that cowardly irrelevant joke country, or not at all. That's a historically interesting fact.
>>1281173
Other way around. Russia is confirmed DLC, France isn't.
>>1281179
French newspaper confirmed France as DLC. I guess both are DLC then. Funny considering the battle fought at E3 was a Franco German battle in which the Brits weren't involved.
>>1281185
A quick mention in the vidya section of Le Monde doesn't seem very reliable. But there was a leaked EA memo and it showed plans for future DLCs, which included Russia but no mention of France.
>>1280184
>Console shooter
>EA/Dice
>""""historical Accuracy""""
More like Cancerfield 1
>>1281191
The French DLC may come after the Russian DLC, the marketing people may have just told LeMonde's reporter about the DLC now to avoid a controversy.
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>>1281176
Except actual historians with actual credentials, American and non-American alike, constantly combat this idea of France as a cowardly country. It's entirely popularly pushed, to justify ignoring France's valid concerns in 2003.
It'll end up much like the term "frog", which was originally applied to the Dutch. But everyone has forgotten about that. Or how prior to Bismarck the Germans were considered lazy and alcoholics.
This is literally nothing new.
>>1281217
You know how Germans stopped being considered lazy and alcoholic? They became the most powerful country in Europe, number one in the world in science and industry, waged two world wars, and killed 6 million Jews.
That's about the scale of accomplishment it would take for France to shake off its reputation. And it will never happen because France, like all European countries, barely even exists anymore.
The time of European nations is over, and whatever reputation they have now is what they'll be remembered as forever.
>>1281176
you're very retarded
>>1281271
Keep up the denial Pierre.
>>1281276
Not even French, mein Freund.
You're just obectively retarded, Go back to /b/
>>1281094
Yeah its definitely better now. They do have a lot of the unique guns like the MP18 SMG and the Trench Shotgun, but theyre restricted to certain classes, the majority still have rifles. The back and forth trench fighting is very intense and great. It's a game where it feels like you can get lots of kills, but you never feel like you're being killed too much either.
>>1281289
If you paid any attention you'd know it's true.
Look at literally any American online article in any way related to France, and in particular to French military. The comment section will be absolutely covered in nothing but surrender jokes. That's the one thing everyone thinks about when thinking of France. A handful of historians don't matter, it's popular opinions that shape the culture. And this game will teach a whole generation that WW1 was Britain vs Germany, but it's just one of many many such examples.
Unless France goes full Nazi and does something truly unforgettable, that's the image it's stuck with forever. The best it can hope for is being forgotten altogether, because the only alternative is being remembered as a pathetic joke.
>>1280418
not the same guy but you are wrong! The clean Wehrmacht myth is a myth. Certainly it was as a fighting force nowhere as bad as the SS and other paramilitaries but the there is plenty of blood on the hands of the regular army.
>>1280356
> Nazi ideology ran deep in the military
And how this make germans soldiers 'evil'?
>>1280878
good taste man
>>1281142
Pls stop brownsing 4chan
>>1280961
>The game fails in every single aspect to represent the war
As oppose to what, Battlefield 1942 and its expansions? Vietnam? 2? You're as thick as the dick your mom's gargling on if you're expecting a battlefield game to be historically accurate.
>who just said "it's just a game"
That's not even close to what I said.
>>1280184
>video games
>accurate.
>>1280951
Why?
Also, what is there to praise about going to war? Shits terrible.
>>1280901
>USA and Italy are in
>France is out
>>1281369
Don't worry dear customer, just buy this 40 dollar day 1 DLC and you can play as France too :^)
>>1281374
Does it include a zombie mode where you play a Belgian fighting endless Germans?
>>1281301
lmao. you're helpless
>>1281380
oy vey are we some kind of charity? Pay 30 more dollars and you can have your zombie mode too
>>1280184
hell no
>>1281353
Has just been confirmed again in LeMonde.fr, their source is cited as the strategic director of Dice.
He says "France has had such an important role in WW1 that this faction deserved a special treatment, which requires more work." And that they will be playable in an expac.
In other words "You'll be DLC, we need more cash"
Woah, so this is what WWI look like.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MkRcvtGE90Q
>>1281414
I saw a black British soldier in that video
were there many black British soldiers in ww1?
>will battlefield 1 be an accurate representation of world war one?
Not in the slightest.
>will I still buy it and have a good as fuck time playing it?
You bet your ass.
>>1281456
Not just British.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mizPP-wYJCM
>>1281456
Yes, but they mainly served in Africa. The British were a lot more hesitant to use its colonial soldiers in non-support roles in Europe (apart from Canada and the ANZACs). Statistically, until the US entry into the war most black Entente troops in combat roles would have been French Colonial troops.
But some blacks (some from America, some from Canada) did manage to find their way to the front lines of the Canadian army, ~2,000 according to the Canadian department of Veteran Affairs.
>http://www.veterans.gc.ca/eng/remembrance/those-who-served/black-canadians-in-uniform/history#first
So it wouldn't be impossible for there to be black British Empire soldiers.
>>1281456
Yes there were British and French colonial troops on the western Front, as well as a select few afro-americans fighting under the French.
These were few in number, but they did fight on the frontlines.
What is inaccurate is Afro-Germans on the western front (their numbers if they did exist would have been far inferior to the thousands of French colonial tirailleurs, as the German colonies were cut off from Germany. The German colonials did perform well in the African theater though).
But why even bother about accuracy it's an EA game and a travesty of history as a whole.
>>1281502
>Black man with a German helmet and an M1911.
That man is really, really lost.
>>1281519
It's DICE, they threw away factions long ago ever since BF3 where you can equip any weapon on any side.
>>1280184
no frenchman holy kek this game is a fucking joke
Most "accurate impressions" of WW1 aren't even accurate depictions of WW1.
>>1280878
Verdun sucks dick and has a shit max player count. I asked the developers and they said it's not being raised because people already can't comprehend 16 vs 16 so it's fucking boring as shit.
>>1281217
What is this picture?
>>1281456
A few black UK citizens, but no blacks from the colonies.
>>1281673
Some XVII Century Austrian sterotypes, most likely.
>>1281722
XVIII*
>>1281722
Pretty interesting, thanks!
Anyone else actually glad they're including the Italian Army? I'd love to play as The Bersaglieri.
>>1280205
the harlem hellfighters were based as fuck tho, its good they atleast get some recognition even if it makes more WE WUZ KANGS people appear
I'm hyped for this game.
What about Bedouin woman warrior?
>GamesBeat: You’re talking about revealing sides of the war that people don’t necessarily know about. A lot of people have made note of the fact that your cover character is black, even though obviously black people fought in World War One. For you guys, was that a conscious decision, an opportunity to show that there was more breadth to this war than people know about?
>Berlin: That’s the thing. People don’t know that this was the case. We want to show diversity in the game. That’s been a key goal. You can see in the trailer that there’s a Bedouin woman warrior on a horse. She’s a playable character in the single-player campaign.
>>1281789
'sup Mussolini?
>>1280205
I don't even mind them having black soldiers if they draw attention to it being exceptional, but there's all sorts of shit from the trailer I saw that makes me certain EA is gonna go full retard.
>>1280901
>no France or Russia
>the two empires that were first declared war
Why
>>1280901
Why fucking ITALY over France or Russia?
I can get over the US, I get it. Americans need to be in everything. But Italy?
>>1282182
I think it's because they need maps with mountainous terrain and a allied counterpart to Austria-Hungary.
>>1282277
I mean, I'm a Canadian born in Wales and I still think it'd be more acceptable to cut the bongs in favor of the Frogs considering most of the western front was fought in fucking France by the French.
Cutting Italy still makes the most sense regardless of a good alternative. If you wanted mountains you could have the Ruskies versus the Turks, they had plenty of mountain warfare.
>>1282110
>single-player campaign
Nobody's gonna play that shit anyway.
>>1281217
every time I see this picture I imagine a 16th century shitposter pulling random shit out of his ass. Like "their land: well made". That doesn't even describe the land.
[spoiler]that's why it's good[/spoilersdontworkonhis]
>>1282464
It sometimes badly translated, I assume "wohl gearbeiteth" means more something like "well cultivated"
>>1282512
Tu n'as pas pû entrevoir sa cérémonie à Verdun et la honte que ça a été sur la France? Clairement Hollande rit à la figure du calvaire de la France et se masturbe à l'idée qu'on perde notre prestance internationale.
>>1281789
Bersaglieri Bestsaglieri
>>1280184
no and it should not be it is a video game. I am glad that I will be able to use obscure weapons from the period though because it makes my gun boner cum
Will you be able to choose if you wish to be a black? Because I believe most players will play as whites and piss off Dice.
>>1280184
they should have made it a 20's/30's pulp adventure setting, then you can have early automatics and whatever race you want. But I suppose that doesn't sound as good as WW1 battlefield
>no Frenchmen which implies no Verdun
W H Y
It's like they treating WWI as if it's been done before. ITS BARELY BEEN DONE NOW GIVE ME MY VERDUN/SOMME/GALLIPOLI GAME
>>1282615
probably going to be dlc brev, niggas gotta make that paper you feel me?
>>1282617
I hope not, it's just disgraceful to make a WWI game and leave the Frenchies out. This is really the only exposure to WWI most teenagers will ever have and they're going to fuck this up.
>>1280213
>No hate for blacks
Why do you even have to mention that you cucktard?
>>1280842
Well theres a theme, WWl and dice makes it PC because muh agenda
>>1282652
/his/ is full of retard SJW's.
>>1282519
C'était une bonne idée pourtant de faire courir des jeunes en vagues successives, ça avait un parfum de reconstitution historique. La suite était plutôt craignos par contre.
>>1282702
Courir sur des tombes reste un acte très moyen. Mais le reste était encore plus affligeant en effet.
Ce monde vit tellement au pain et aux jeux que même le recueillement doit désormais passer par de "l'entertainement"
>>1280184
>it's a video game
No
>>1281414
>third-person view for the vehicles
REEEEEEEEE
>>1283220
You can change the view.
>>1282695
Unfortunatly its full of pol cucks too
Austria-Hungary is playable, right?
>>1283541
Yes
>>1280184
Pic related
>>1283563
France?
>>1283574
Sadly no. Although I think it's going to be in dlc.
>>1283589
France didn't do much anyway.
>>1283594
Give welfare to this mad brute!
>>1283596
This is a history board you know
>>1283596
>people are actually this retarded
>there are people who really believe this
>there are people who conflate France's performance in WWII with their performance of every other war in history
Has there been a single trench in any of these gameplay vids?
>>1283504
I prefer the pol cucks.
Atleast they're entertaining
>can't play as the ANZACs
>tfw your cunt is always shafted in war games
>>1283875
We were pretty minor frankly. Wouldnt mind some gallipoli dlc, even though we were even less relevant there than on the western front
>>1283903
We might not have been particularly relevant but this game clearly isn't going for the historical accuracy angle and for an event that's as important to the national consciousness as ANZAC contribution, it doesn't appear much in anything. It would have been nice.
>Gallipoli DLC
>play as the Americans storming the beaches
>ANZAC troops are minorities, but African instead of Abbo or Maori
I wouldn't put it past them
>>1283911
I would piss myself laughing if they had black kiwis and australians supporting american heroes storming gallipoli
Really though there are dozens of countries who fought in ww1 that never get recognised outside of homegrown media, you kinda just have to accept it
>>1280259
They were never cowards. Stubborn and proud? Definitely. But not cowards.
>>1280815
>WENT TO UNIVERSITY THAT TEACHES MARXISM
I'm pretty sure most universities teach Marxism to some extent, even if it's part of a sociology or political science class.
>>1284277
Oh, and that thesis wasn't even written by Daniel Berlin, so what the fuck is the point of even mentioning it?
It's a video game. No. An accurate representation would be boring/terrifying.
>>1284277
>I'm pretty sure most universities teach Marxism to some extent, even if it's part of a sociology or political science class.
Interesting. I remember taking a course in sociology at a community college and we were given an assignment about racist propaganga. We were then shown a short segment from "The Eternal Juden".
Who could be behind this?
You know i normally dont even give a shit about video games. However ww1 is already so far removed from the conscience of modern times that i feel like this game will take away from what really happened.
ww1 was mostly brutal trench fighting with 70% of casualties from artillery.
It honestly makes me mad what this game is shaping up to be
>>1281414
>airships
>firing on ground troops
Oh boy
>>1281266
Literally no one except Americans and edgy internet kids think the French are cowards
>>1280891
because the only ones who know that the AH armed forces were mostly non-Germans would be not historically aware aka "target audience".
>>1280205
The campaign character is always on the box art of the Battlefield games. The campaign will revolve around the Harlem Hell Fighters. Atleast research the shit before complaining that Dice are just throwing in blacks for muh diversity.
>>1280275
>wanting to have female soldiers in a ww1 game
>not using someone from the 1st Russian Women's Battalion of Death or another Russian female batallion
Americans should be banned from making content based on history.
>>1284720
Dice are Swedish.
>>1280895
German stormtroopers carried clubs, knives, axes, grenades, and guns.
>>1281146
Might as well not have a Western Front at all.
>>1284737
No one uses bolt actions except snipers. Might as well not be WW1 at all
I don't know why everyone is so surprised.
Every pop culture depiction of WW1 I've ever seen was always Germans vs Brits, or Germans vs Americans. In the minds of most people France was already irrelevant, I could have told you it would play a minor role or none at all in this game.
>>1284723
It never ends, does it?
>>1284758
I wasn't really either, what I will tell people still playing attention and who like vidya is what I said in one of the /v/ threads and that is to check out Verdun. It's pretty much trench simulator 1916 and it's pretty damn fun if history is your kick, 1 shot kills and pretty much everyone is using a bolt action. No bullshit except artillery is really really strong. (makes the NCO class a little more powerful than the average rifleman as it should)
>>1284774
>No bullshit except artillery is really really strong.
Its historically accurate bullshit. Also gas is useless which is also historically accurate
>>1284777
it basically just makes everyone stop for a second and put on their mask so they can't see shit, so it has some purpose. Lasts a long longer then the NCO smoke rounds that's for sure.
>>1284758
Well, that must be the Anglo way because here in Germany it's mostly Germany vs France and Germany vs Russia
Here's a good German documentary on what we consider to be the most horrific battle of WW1 (no, it's not the Somme)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3b9Wu-WgB04
>>1280184
Why is there a 1796 light cavalry sabre in freaking WW1 ?
>>1284793
She's a strong female Bedouin warrior, which I'm afraid to were inexistent in that era.
Meanwhile, the memories of the 8 million french soldiers are discarded, and dare I say, pissed on. That's how I feel about my great grandfathers' anyways.
And yes we know. Now shhh back to sleep and forget the pain.
>>1284803
>>1284793
Games are made to be accessible, so that more games can be made.
Not to cater to your specific embittered historical glorification.
Though france as DLC? Please, would be way cooler if the countries that entered later were DLC, adding chronologically sound missions, tactics, tech, and soldiers in a trick to inspire more people to look that shit up.
That's the fucking thing. The game can be anything(though you'll just whine either way), but it can't stand on its own as a piece of historical merit without sacrificing standards of play. But if it inspires you to look for yourself and form your own opinions(instead of getting your history from a fucking video game) there, you have a work that transcends the medium.
>>1284787
Yeah smoke screen is its only use. What I reckon they should do is make phosgene really deadly, like real life, but make mustard barely deadly at all, but slowly damage you like barbed wire, again like real life
>>1284823
the anon who was saying france will only be remembered as surrender monkeys has a point though, for a huge amount of people this will be their first exposure to WW1 in any meaningful fashion. As people who know about care about history that should be on the scale of really really bad considering how many myths and legends we see and hear purported as fact.
>>1284803
A small light: apparantly french will be featured a lot in the main campaign, which makes sense given it focuses on the hellfighters who were under french command
>>1284836
So France will be the useless, cowardly NPC you have to save and fight for their cause, got it.
Guys spare me this pain please.
I'm litterally crying ;-;.
Is this how Americans conceive our war effort. What do we have to do next time other than endure hellish conditions, fight off waves after waves, to be commemorated decently ;-;.
Why are Americans so rude?
>>1284845
Yeah probably. Fucking DICE
>>1284856
That image is physically painful to look at, but I already knew americans were ignorant
>>1284869
More than the "Americans won!" opinion voiced by this many of them, it's the "I don't know" opinion that frightens.
That was probably the opinion that people saying "erm what's a WW1? what's a France?" were ranked under. Are americans really like this?
>>1284856
>>1282693
>the guy who believes that the only thing is history that matters was when whites were involved accuses someone else of having an agenda
>>1284873
They have a very self-centred view of history, which is not surprising considering they dominate the world, but still. Anything that isnt about them isnt important, and if they were involved in something then that thing was ALL about them
>>1284877
>Americans in Berlin in 1945
Hmm loving the accuracy.
>>1284880
>Anything that isnt about them isnt important, and if they were involved in something then that thing was ALL about them
Ouch, I am quite lucky not to have been born as one of them then. Though, their blindness towards history is to be nuanced with their patriotism: at least they've remained patriotic, which is more than can be said for the country I live in.
>>1284873
>>1284869
I can tell you like any country with a population over 100 million, statistically there are bound to be a good number of stupid people and a good number of smart people. Strange thing is, no matter where you go there is a tendency for stupid people to make their stupidity known.
source: t. American that works a service job dealing with stupid people every day
>>1284891
Perhaps, but decent collected statistics account for things like. Its a fair point though, america is so big and loud the stupid voices drown everything out
>>1284856
>>1284869
>>1284873
>>1284876
Come on, if you didn't know that Germany had the upper hand on the allies between Russia dropping out of the war and the Doughboys joining the war, you know fuck all about WWI. You fought most of the war, but you wouldn't have won it in 1918 if it wasn't for the American push and supplies they pumped into the allies even when they weren't fighting the war.
>>1284898
No thats literally not true. American troops shortened things a bit at best, germany had no hope even after the russians pulled out. In fact americas greatest contribution was convincing germany that they wouldn't be so harsh on them when they finally surrendered
>>1284894
there are plenty of smart people here, the problem is the way the culture is set up makes ideas and lifestyles tend to go in a few directions, outside of that is relatively rare and it promotes a sort of "intellectual laziness" I would call it, where even smart people can say and do some pretty stupid things due to it.
>>1284898
Oh God... Those aren't lies they say about Americans.
>>1284904
Yeah thats pretty much the impression I have of america. Interesting that even americans sometimes see it that way
>>1284898
That's... just not true. You know who didn't have supplies? Germany. They were literally starving. Their last offensives in 1918 were a desperate gamble - that failed. That actually failed before more than a handful of American soldiers reached the frontlines.
>>1280261
Then make some more decent games you dumb nigger.
>>1284873
Yeah. It's bad. Half-truths are a thing in history classes, and for most people, that's where their exposure to history begins and ends.
To be fair though, Euros are still taught that Alexander turned around because of the grief from his horse dying, and let's not get into WWII shifting of blame and pointing fingers.
>>1284992
We do after all get a brit. But I am sure we're gonna be playing a bunch as either a Hellfighter nigger or forced to be a roach as this games was made by Swedes. And as they invited a bunch of nigger celebs and probs dont have anything to do with the game. Unless they voice act some of the niggers.
>>1280184
As many answers before me. I am truly heart broken that one of my favourite franchises fall to such bullshitery as this, thanks to some Swedes.
>Niggers didnt save europe stop plz
With such a fucking crap load built up by white guilt by a bunch of cucks
>Bedouin women warriors that look white for that matter. PFPFSFSHSHH NO
Aslong the nigger ain't no annoying nigger, aslong I won't be playing as a bedouin woman, aslong I wont be a turk. Aslong the majority of the game is experiencing the horrors of it as the brits, germans, serbs, russkies whatever and do some grimmy badass shit. But hopefully not all badass shit, WW1 was fucking shit and I want to experience that without having to sit around LARPing in a muddy cold hole in the ground irl.
>>1284877
Americunts army in Europe was 99% if not a few more whites. Don't encourage bullshit cuck.
>>1285056
>Euros are still taught that Alexander turned around because of the grief from his horse dying
No.
>>1285170
About 95% actually, but same diff
>>1285101
Snoop Dogg 420 blazing it on screen was dank tho.
This thread is pretty ahistorical for a history board.
>>1284915
>Their last offensives in 1918 were a desperate gamble - that failed.
>That actually failed before more than a handful of American soldiers reached the frontlines.
Interesting timing. Why do you think the Germans threw their hail mary while knowing the Americans were coming?
>>1284902
>American troops shortened things a bit at best
Nope.
>germany had no hope even after the russians pulled out.
I see you're still chugging that Allied war propaganda.
If they wanted to put African characters in for diversity they could have done it in an actually interesting fashion and have it be between German and British Empire colonial armies in East Africa.
Indian colonial soldiers, Brits, South Africans and Germans would even feature and the small scale of Battlefield would actually fit.
>>1280184
>a black man on the box art
>on a game about ww1
>>1285292
I agree with this, there were plenty of african askari in ww1 in the british and french armies, no need to revise history to force diversity down our throats this time.
yes
>>1285309
Did Indians fight in Europe a lot? I know that a lot of British Indian troops fough in Mesopotamia be this look's like European terrain.
>>1285313
they fought in Europe a bit, yeah
The campaign is going to be hilarious without France or Russia.
The Schlieffen plan, the Battle of the Frontiers, the Marne, Tannenberg all in 1914.
Artois, 2nd Ypres, Champagne in 1915.
Verdun and the Brusilov Offensive in 1916.
The Nivelle Offensive in early 1917.
How the heck are they going to make a campaign without all of the above...
>>1285299
>no need to revise history to force diversity down our throats this time.
God I hate this. If they actually took the time to do some research they could have found perfectly good scenarios that are rarely ever touched on by popular media.
Instead they invent scenarios based on almost nothing to get the job done.
For instance a story where you're an Askari in German colonial service under von Lettow-Vorbeck in East Africa would score so many points on the diversity chart, not just in characters but also setting and it's portrayal of WW1 as a mobile war and from the Central Powers perspective.
You're in a Guerrilla army that lasted the entire war, going up and down East Africa, hitting Entente infrastructure and soundly thrashing them several times.
Bad shit happens a lot. Ammo runs short as does food and medicine. The terrain is dimal. Many officers are less than sympathetic to their African soldiers, though von Lettow-Vorbeck showed a paternalistic sympathy for them.
And you're serving under a man who went undefeated.
What's not to like?
>>1281313
>The clean soldier myth is a myth.
FTFY
All soldiers kill. Get the fuck over it already.
>>1284823
Nobody who plays this is going to then go do research. All it means is that an entire generation will now know WW1 as a war between Anglos and Germany. Same as how France has been erased from every historical event in popular perception.
And this historical inaccuracy has absolutely nothing to do with "standards of play". How the fuck would the game be worse if you could play as France instead of America or Italy? The only thing that factors in is commercial considerations, and knowing that America sells while France doesn't.
>>1281913
>harlem hellfighters
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/369th_Infantry_Regiment_(United_States)
REAL FUCKING HISTORY
Thanks anon.
>was known for being the first African American regiment to serve with the American Expeditionary Forces during World War I
MURRRRICAAAAA
>>1285331
Just replace France with Britain everywhere, problem solved.
Even the battle they showcased during the gameplay demo yesterday was against France in real life.
TRUE SONS OF FREEDOM
We all won the Croix de Guerre from the French Government for our service in WWI.
Our own government made us sit in the back of the bus.
>>1285594
>we
>The nickname "Hell Fighters" was given to them by the Germans due to their toughness and that they never lost a man through capture, lost a trench or a foot of ground to the enemy.
>>1285596
>them
>A first-person narrative is a story from the first-person perspective: the viewpoint of a character writing or speaking directly about themselves.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-person_narrative
>>1281635
Your probably just bad and died the whole time
>>1285587
But that's wrong you retard.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Michael#Battle_of_St._Quentin.2C_21.E2.80.9323_March
I can barely wait for my historically iliterate friends to tell me all about the amazing WW1 knowledge they get from this game.
>>1280898
is this
>american education
at work?
>>1285668
You are both right
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_St._Quentin_(1914)
>>1285674
>anon did you know literally everybody had a submachine gun in WW1 and the lewis gun was a portable for one man?
>main protag in campaign is a German soldier working as a mailman during WW1
>start off with you leaving to war, excited and super happy with the lads, shows you leaving the platform and waving to the ladies
>you get awarded an iron cross and the officer who awards you the cross asks your name
>"Private Adolf Hitler sir!"
this would be the best plot twist desu
>>1284845
just like in real life
>>1285688
Considering the tanks, trenches, and completely destroyed landscape, it's fairly obviously the 1918 one.
>>1285710
Great
>>1285710
Hitler was in the Bavarian Army, not the German one.
>>1285313
yes. They were one of the few standing troops that got rushed out because they were actually a sort of standing army.
>>1284873
>More than the "Americans won!" opinion voiced by this many of them, it's the "I don't know" opinion that frightens.
Why the fuck would you say that? It's good to say that you don't know something when you don't actually know it.
>>1284723
>>1284773
EA is pushing DICE around.
Blame the Americans
>>1285760
fun fact, everyone in that photo apart from the french kid died horribly, and so did a lot of their families.
>>1285282
>Why do you think the Germans threw their hail mary while knowing the Americans were coming?
Because about 20% of their food had to be imported pre-war. They were literally starving despite the rationing and had to end the war as quick as they can to avoid a major famine.
>>1285292
They don't want interesting diversity. They want to pander to the african-american consumer and they believe he's dumb.
Germany was on its last legs as America joined, but so was France.
>>1285282
>Why do you think the Germans threw their hail mary while knowing the Americans were coming?
Yes, the timing of the attack was so that they commenced before even more Americans arrived.
And you also know why? Because with every passing month the German homefront was desperate.
Had the Americans not been pouring in, then yes, certainly, the Germans could have waited.
And then died of hunger.
