>It's a "Africa is an easy continent the only reason it didn't develop was because hurrdurr niggers" thread
Can we get some actual discussion on reasons why it didn't develop, especially in the Jungle? things like soil quality, how the weather affects the growing season, navigable trade routes, diseases, etc.
It didn't believe because it didn't develop. What is this magical concept of mandatory development that you have? Do you not realise that humanity existed for 250,000 years in the stone age? So Africans begin civilisation 2000 years after the Middle East and Europeans, why is this such a shock and horror when it took a quarter of a million years to reach that point to begin with.
>>1164388
Simple, they didn't actually need agriculture.
Because Africa is indeed an easy continent.
>>1164398
>>1164409
I mean there's a reason why South Africa was so popular for colonisation. Colonists tend to be farmers and most of Africa is either total desert, rainforest, or poor savannah where only hardy plants grow.
>>1164417
>Colonists tend to be farmers
Duh.
There is no civilization without agriculture, friend.
>>1164409
>Botswana could become a farming powerhouse in the future
BASED BOTSWANA BEATS THE BAITERS AGAIN
>>1164388
there was a longass fucking time where nothing developed. what in the fuck do you even think you are arguing.
>>1164436
Reading comprehension level: kindergarten
>>1164430
Or they'll just strip-mine it, and spend the cash on leather and metal studs.
>>1164447
the entire line of argument is retarded, not just the /pol/itical version.
there isn't some kind of an expected timeline for civilization. there's some stupidly long time of hunter gatherers not develping shit and then the extremely short part at the end where people actually learn things.
>mfw people treat CURRENT YEAR as the end of history
Who says some Chinese scientists won't just genetically modify the Africans and make a race of superhumans? WHO'S LAUGHING NOW FUCKERS
First off, you and everyone else who makes these threads every single day is operating under a false premise. History is not like a game of Sid Meier's Civilization. Societies don't develop down a linear path with the end point being identical to industrialised western system, so it's entirely pointless to ask why a culture or group of cultures "didn't develop." You can only try to ascertain why the developed the way that they did, and what factors were at play in shaping their historical lifestyles.
there are a variety of reasons as to why much of Africa lives in poverty, and why their societies have perhaps not had the same scale of tangible scientific or cultural output of other regions. One important thing to recall is that wide scale industrialisation in the western world is a relatively recent and rapid process, and that it was occurring at the same time that African nations were being exploited and colonized, something that has hampered the process into the modern day. Agriculture was the major occupation of European people for much of history, as it is in Africa now, and the comparison between the two continents is only more shocking because of frankly revolutionary developments over the last few centuries.
Civilization either grows independently or is introduced from somewhere else. The parts of Africa that weren't isolated from Eurasia did adopt civilization, as in Sudan and Ethiopia, and later on in the Swahili Coast. The isolated parts of Africa, including the West, Central and Southern parts were isolated for most of their history (West Africa only really came into contact with North Africa after camels were introduced in the 1st millennium AD). The only way civilization could emerge in these places was independently.
Civilization only emerged independently in other parts of the world thousands of years after crop agriculture was introduced into those regions. Some developed faster than others, and plenty of places never developed it at all, but nowhere developed it instantly. In sub-Saharan Africa crop agriculture began in the Sahara around 2500 BC, spread across West Africa around 2000 BC, and spread across Central and Southern Africa during the Bantu migrations after 1000 BC. This was a very late emergence of agriculture compared to Eurasia and the Americas. Areas which might have supported civilization like the Great Lakes regions (agriculture after 500 BC) and Zimbabwe (after 200 BC I think) had no time to develop civilizations, though they did have complex chiefdoms like the builders of Great Zimbabwe.
>>1164495
In terms of other developments such as cultural expression, several things are important to note- for one, every culture has different artistic ideals, so asking why African groups never had a artist like Michelangelo or a composer like Bach is pointless. There are various forms of African art, such as dance, that are highly complex and developed.
Secondly, food security has a lot to do with he sheer volume of it. besides arid conditions and dangerous tropical diseases in parts of the country, Tsetse flies have a huge impact on agricultural output. They hugely hamper the ability of harnessing draft animals, and as a result massively reduce agricultural output. Since a surplus of food is one of the chief prerequisites for the development of a devoted artisan class, this greatly hampered the development of urban elites or other groups so vital to the development of European or Asian cultures. No one has time to be a philosopher if everyone is needs to farm.
>>1164500
Only West Africa had enough time to develop civilization, which they did in the Sahel in the late 1st millennium and Nigeria after 1000 AD, both probably encouraged by the growth of trade but not directly derived from North African civilization (only much later did the Sahel adopt Islam). These civilizations were impressive in their own ways but were at a very early and archaic stage in their development, comparable maybe to the Olmecs or Shang China, and didn't have much time to spread or develop like the Eurasian and American civilizations did. Plus, since they built in mud and wood (the most suitable materials in their environment) not much has survived from them, making them often seem unimpressive. But the incredible art of Ife and Benin is easily comparable with that of any other civilization at the same stage in its development, and early accounts of the region attest to a fairly well developed civilization.
There are some things that confuse me though; like why did civilizations emerged in the western Nigerian rainforest but not in the east or in the Congo beyond. Of course, the emergence of civilization isn't an inevitability, but it seems strange that two neighborhood regions with similar climates would develop so differently. Maybe its something to do with the soils or with their relations to the Sahel.
>>1164388
Oh look, it's the 400th edition of this dumb ass thread.
>>1164388
I have a better thread topic. Given the state of Africa today, would a sympathetic or self aware neo-colonialism be the solution?
>Administrators from around the world and technocrats rule africa while teaching a generation of the natives lessons on soft infrastructure and modern governance?
>>1164575
Not only is it the solution, the Chinese are already on it. Fucking nigs just can't catch a break.
>>1164388
>“Education, sir, is the development of that which is. Since the dawn of history the negro has owned the continent of Africa—rich beyond the dream of poet’s fancy, crunching acres of diamonds beneath his bare black feet. Yet he never picked one up from the dust until a white man showed to him its glittering light. His land swarmed with powerful and docile animals, yet he never dreamed a harness, cart, or sled. A hunter by necessity, he never made an axe, spear, or arrowhead worth preserving beyond the moment of its use. He lived as an ox, content to graze for an hour. In a land of stone and timber he never sawed a foot of lumber, carved a block, or built a house save of broken sticks and mud. With league on league of ocean strand and miles of inland seas, for four thousand years he watched their surface ripple under the wind, heard the thunder of the surf on his beach, the howl of the storm over his head, gazed on the dim blue horizon calling him to worlds that lie beyond, and yet he never dreamed a sail! He lived as his fathers lived—stole his food, worked his wife, sold his children, ate his brother, content to drink, sing, dance, and sport as the ape!
“And this creature, half child, half animal, the sport of impulse, whim, and conceit, ‘pleased with a rattle, tickled with a straw,’ a being who, left to his will, roams at night and sleeps in the day, whose speech knows no word of love, whose passions, once aroused, are as the fury of the tiger—they have set this thing to rule over the Southern people——”
Thomas Dixon
Mods: I'm merely quoting an author. His views do not necessarily reflect mine!
>>1164388
reminder that only a few regions developed advanced civilizations on their own: Egypt, China, Mesopotamia and the Levant and the Indus Valley. the rest of the world basically learnt civilization from contact with those people. greek civilization started to develop from contact with levantine states and Egypt, South-East-Asia from China and the legacy civilizations of the Indus Valley etc.
really, Africa is more of the norm, not the exception. they were isolated from those civilizations until quite recently, so most of the continent never left the stone age.
>>1164388
>things like soil quality, how the weather affects the growing season
Much of sub-Saharan Africa contains some of the most fertile and resource rich land on the world, so knock those ones off.
If you want the plain truth, Africa didn't develop because of the Sahara, which as the planet's biggest desert is not the most appealing for trade roots. And hey of that desert, isolated tribes and jungles containing only madness.
Europe only developed because it had trade with china and could steal all of China's ideas. Africa was nowhere on the Silk Road.
To the makers and shakers of the ancient world, this didn't sound like that much of a value proposition.
And when you finally got trade to open up in Africa via the Portuguese and others, it was largely manifested in an exploitative relationship rather than a constructive one. That's the way of the world after all.
>>1164615
Sorry for typos
>>1164615
>Europe only developed because it had trade with china and could steal all of China's ideas
It's amateur revisionist hour, only on /his/.
>>1164615
>it was largely manifested in an exploitative relationship rather than a constructive one.
Same in South America. Sad, really, there was and is a great deal of potential in those places, but colonization fucked it up.
>>1164627
original pasta. DO NOT STEAL.
t. Italian
Why do these threads always list every possible reason under the sun except for the lower iqs found in African populations? Seems disingenuous desu
Fuck off kike
I watch animal planet all the time
Africa looks like a comfy jungle with some patches of savanna here and there
>>1164641
Because they're brainwashed with the idea of tabula rasa and the supposed equality of mankind.
>>1164644
Saying Africa is like what it is on TV is like saying Feudal Japan was just like Ninja scroll.
Also, there are flies, disease carrying mosquitoes and parasites fucking everywhere.
>>1164388
The top reason? Lack of interaction with other cultures and people.
Africa is huge. Sub-Saharan alone has more than twice the land mass as all of Europe combined. They were blocked off to the north by the fuck-huge desert, with only ports along the coast being the only place to interact with other people. And even then, it was mostly in the north, and a some in the north east.
East and south Africa didn't have access until ships could circumvent Africa's horn, but even then, it was easier to transport goods over land from Alexandria, over to the red sea, where they could get to India once a year.
Not only that, Sub-Saharan Africa is isolated by it's own terrain. It was difficult for humans to expand in Africa, as Africa is where humans (and other primates) evolved. There are parasits and insects that can ONLY breed using humans as hosts. Meaning it's harder to spread in Africa, because not only the diseases and insects, but the megafauna.
Whereas Asia and Europe had the silk road and the Mediterranean Sea, along with the entire coast along the south side of Asia. This brought the most interaction, and thus more ideas and technology spread throughout that region.
>never invented a wheel
>never developed a writing system
>to this day consistently scores lower on IQ tests
>"HUR DUURR THEYRE NOT DUMB ITS LITERALLY EVERY OTHER REASON"
>>1164615
>sub-Saharan Africa contains some of the most fertile land
sauce? i find it hard to believe, since most of the continent is rainforests, savannas and deserts, not very ideal for farming. sure, tropical Africa has the ideal climate to grow fruits, but to sustain a large civilization, you need some high-calorie grains like wheat or rice.
>>1164675
>A study (1999) by Capron and Duyme of French children adopted between the ages of four and six examined the influence of socioeconomic status (SES). The children's IQs initially averaged 77, putting them near retardation. Most were abused or neglected as infants, then shunted from one foster home or institution to the next. Nine years later after adoption, when they were on average 14 years old, they retook the IQ tests, and all of them did better. The amount they improved was directly related to the adopting family's socioeconomic status. "Children adopted by farmers and laborers had average IQ scores of 85.5; those placed with middle-class families had average scores of 92. The average IQ scores of youngsters placed in well-to-do homes climbed more than 20 points, to 98."
Is it putting the cart before the horse?
All of those play a role in the development of the stupidity of the nigger, or more so the non-development, and at the most stagnation, of their collective intellect and culture.
Just because it isn't their fault that they didn't develop doesn't make them on par with the rest of civilized humanity. They're objectively dumber and violent.
>>1164675
No. Hence why I brought up Meso-America and Latin America. The Native IQ certainly isn't comparable to Europeans or Asians but they still built an advance society because they had a suitable environment to built it on not to mention being smarter than Africans. Africans on the other hand content not only with low IQ but complete lack of contact with Eurasia which if anything could tell you, is where civilization influenced one another.
Why does nobody ask this about Siberians or Amazonians or US Native Americans?
>>1164698
Because Siberians are considered "white" and Amazonians fall under "Mesoamericans" so that's a convenient excuse to dismiss them, saying that they did develop civilization and that black people are just dumb.
Also I think it's more agreed that Native Americans not having beasts of burden or livestock animals really hurt their development.
>>1164692
Twin studies unrelated to race have proven that roughly 60-70% of IQ is inherited. Of course any idiot could have told you that, anyone whose ever been around children can tell you that even prior to schooling not everyone is equally as intelligent. Also there has been plenty of IQ testing, both in the United States and in Africa, and plenty of research done on this subject.
In the United States for instance, there is a 15 point gap in average IQ between blacks and whites, the existence of which is not in dispute, only the cause.
>>1164688
No. Because as said its not an "either or" on whether its genetics or environmental factors that influence IQ. It is both.
The most likely reality is that Africans not only have a genetically lower IQ, their potential IQs are reduced by their poor environment [which is created by their shitty IQs. Its a vicious cycle. Though even in ideal conditions, they would still be simpletons on average. Note that 'average' part. There are genius Africans, just as their are retarded whites and east-Asians].
>>1164417
yeah it has absolutely nothing to do with the convenient location right in the middle of the most profitable trade route of its time
>>1164692
Easy
Just test a few dozen students from bumfuck nowhere, disregard the higher scoring students to fit the narrative, and then apply those findings to 25 other countries with no questions asked
Bonus points for using insane retards from a foreign asylum
>>1164698
US native americans get attacked all the time for this. it is used as a justification for taking the land from them
>>1164698
Americans may evoke similar arguments to justify early colonization, because right of conquest doesn't hit the right cords nowadays.
Some Brazilians up to this day justify displacement of Amazonian peoples through dehumanization. Their forests are being chopped and will be turned into pastures for cheap beef.
>>1164730
Sure pal. Its a conspiracy. All studies into IQ over the last few decades were forged to make Africans look dumb. Clearly it can't be that the information is correct, and that is why the suck hard at civilization.
>>1164730
There has not been a single study where the mean iq between races has been equal.
>>1164689
You're objectively shitting up this board.
how do you race-realist explain the fact that Ethiopia has some of the lowest IQ-s in the world? aren't they supposed to be not even real niggers? they actually have a lot of caucasian blood and were historically known to be the most advanced civilization black african civilization.
>>1164688
this btw
>>1164484
Already happening.
>>1164543
>afro-chinese hyper race
How horrifying.
>>1164741
Divine fallacy
>>1164759
>How do you explain an African country with very high admixture historically being very successful.
Did you think about this question before you asked it?
>>1164744
What are races?
>>1164767
How the hell is what I said in any way the divine fallacy? The fact is that no study has been done that shows the various races equal in average IQ. In fact, they have consistently shown quite the opposite.
The only way you can ignore this, is to do what you did, namely, to appeal to some form of conspiracy.
>>1164688
>well-to-do homes put more emphasis on schoolwork
>thus, more emphasis on academic testing
>being surprised that people who have done more testing and taken that testing more seriously do better in a test environment
The tests for IQ are all crap because any two individuals react to a testing environment differently from each other, and being in the proper mental space is the most important thing to take and pass tests.
>>1164768
>How do you explain an African country with very high admixture and historically being very successful having extremely low IQs
Can you read?
Sierra Leone currently has an average IQ of 91
Did they magically stumble upon a mini Europe?
>>1164731
What's dumb is there was a native American Civilization, the mississippian civilization. It collapsed, but diseases were hitting natives so hard in the early 1600s by that point there was no way they'd recover.
>>1164768
why do they have such a low IQ if they have a very high admixture?
>>1164774
A race is a sub-species of Homo Sapien, sub-species being defined as
"a category in biological classification that ranks immediately below a species and designates a population of a particular geographic region genetically distinguishable from other such populations of the same species and capable of interbreeding successfully with them where its range overlaps theirs"
There is some debate among realists over exactly how many subspecies should be used as a method of classification.
>>1164674
Observe the increasing loss of composure from the /pol/fag
>>1164774
baby don't hurt me
>>1164741
>Sure pal. Its a conspiracy.
The fact that Richard Lynn manipulated data and generally fucked his international IQ comparisons completely is not a conspiracy, it's not even up for debate.
That there is a strong correlation between IQ and GDP or HDI is not up for debate either.
>>1164781
Except you know, all of them.
>>1164794
He should start spouting US crime statistics and posting in all caps any minute now.
>>1164790
Fuck off kike
It was because they mixed with the most savage niggers of Congo
>>1164790
That I do not know. Is the current population of Ethiopia the same as the population when the country was at its height? That would be where I would start with that.
>>1164786
I saw it, and how you went on to the other idea, I just found it funny that despite the contradiction in them being formerly great at civilization compared to their very low IQs now, that your argument began by basically saying "Yeah one of the few places Africans had civilization is where they were part Caucasoid."
>>1164781
>science hurts my feelings
>>1164793
So you're saying there's 42 races?
>>1164765
More like hyper face.
>>1164794
Observe the smug redditor defending subhuman apes
The only reason we don't have solid evidence is because the Jews will NEVER allow further research into Racial Purity
>>1164822
>mfw racial purity was the accepted science for like a century but nobody ever came up with a shred of evidence for it
>>1164641
Because any mention of iq triggers half a dozen people for and against it, and any discussion of other factors is drowned out.
>>1164814
I'm not sure race should be considered equivalent to "ethnic group". Broader classifications are probably possible, such as the model used in forensic anthropology [Caucasoid, Negroid, Mongoloid], or more recent models based on degrees of admixture with other species of the genus homo.
>>1164810
Ethiopia had contact with Eurasia, resulting in being both genetically related to Eurasians and adopting Eurasian civilization. Being related to Eurasian didn't result in their civilization. Being in contact with them did. You don't seem to understand the difference between causation and correlation.
>>1164808
>they mixed with the most savage niggers of Congo
do you have any source on that, or did you just pull it out of your ass to save face?
>>1164830
Except your theory of it being cultural reasons doesn't accord at all with our new understanding that a significant portion of IQ [roughly 2/3rds] is genetically determined.
What if we just created a virus that killed anyone with an IQ under 100?
It'd rid the world of niggers, poos, mudslimes, greaseballs, debnts, gypsies, spics, injuns, and eastern "Europeans"
>>1164810
>That I do not know. Is the current population of Ethiopia the same as the population when the country was at its height?
No, I don't think you understand. If "Africans" are the stupidest "race" (nevermind that some experts consider Ethiopians and Somalians shouldn't be grouped with Bantu genetically), Ethiopians (and Somalians) should be the smartest Subsaharan populations since they are the least genetically African and have the most admixture with higher IQ races. Instead they are poor and dumb as shit.
The past population doesn't even matter, it's not like ancient Ethiopia did anything more impressive or intellectually challenging than modern Ethiopia does.
How do you explain this?
>>1164837
not to mention 50% of western Europe.
>>1164837
>Lets kill most of the world's population, thus crashing the planet's economy.
Not a good plan. Instead, we should simply wait till science advances to the point where we can increase the average IQ through genetic engineering.
Well this thread went to shit. See you next thread, where we discuss killing all the /pol/tards.
>>1164388
Blacks have no excuses anon they have been in Africa longer than we white people have even existed on this rock and yet we still beat them by millenia in technology and social structure. Look at the humans in North Africa that formed the first civilizations why couldnt the blacks in sub saharan africa do so for fuck sake Egypt was literally caused by ONE FUCKING RIVER.
>>1164826
Uh, they did
Mountains of it
Aryan studies flourished, phrenology, and eugenics were making great strides
>>1164698
Siberians live in a giant snowstorm so I think it's understandable
>>1164832
READ THE FUCKING THREAD YOU NIGGERLOVER
>>1164839
Actually the past population matters extremely. If I am arguing that genetics plays a large role in IQ [and I am, and that is what the science seems to support], then the question of whether ancient Ethiopia and modern Ethiopia are of the same 'stock' is of paramount importance. I can't even begin to attempt to interpret your argument until I know how the population has drifted, genetically speaking, since antiquity.
>>1164842
>Not a good plan
But why? Morality isnt a logical argument btw.
>>1164836
What are you fucking trying to say? Ethiopians have low IQs, but they had civilization because they were intermixed with Caucasians, but being mixed with Caucasians didn't give them high IQs, but high IQ is the only reason they could have had civilization, even though they didn't have high IQs? You aren't making any sense.
>>1164836
it does though. for one, it doesn't automatcally mean that races have vastly different iq. also, 2/3 is a lot: it still means that other factors can add or take away 33%, which is less then the different between the avarages of most African and European countries.
>>1164848
Because Egyptians were copper-skinned middle easterners, not black Africans. Of course, that answer is too obvious for some in this thread, so clearly the answer is systematic oppression.
>>1164839
Bantu is not a synonym for all africans
>>1164474
>implying that a lack of contact amongst civilisations gives you time to develop
You forget, the celts were still running around naked in the forests and had limited contact with other civilisations.
You forget south east asians/ East Asians were still using swords and bamboo while western civilisation was developing greater forms of weaponry.
Notice a pattern?
>IQ tests
Yes IQ tests are a clear indicator of intelligence that's why this girl is so much smarter than Hawkins or Einstein plz buy our test goy
>>1164842
>muh feelings
Anyone less intelligent than 100 IQ deserves death
They serve no purpose but to consume and make life harder for smarter races
>>1164850
>phrenology
I'm past the point I can tell irony from genuine opinions.
>>1164863
>it doesn't automatcally mean that races have vastly different iq
Africa constantly have IQ scores below 74 since the the 1940s the black IQ has not yet increased at all that should tell us that blacks are idiots on average which explains everything about them.
>>1164851
Snow makes you super intelligent
That's why whites, asians, and jews are superior
Eskimos have highest IQs on earth
>>1164871
The meaning of 100 IQ in absolute terms is constantly changing.
>>1164868
If there were a social IQ I'm sure many of MENSA would do poorly. It doesn't matter how smart you are if you keep spilling spaghetti.
>>1164868
IQ test are made to find tards anon meaning if you score as a tard the test is CORRECT ALL THE FUCKING TIME.
>>1164861
Because crashing the world economy by getting rid of what is effectively our slave caste is dumb. Did you even read Brave New World?
>>1164862
I am saying that IQ is 60-70% genetic, and that there is an observed gap in the average IQs of the various races, worldwide. How that information pertains to Ethiopia, I have no idea, since I know very little about the past and present genetic makeup of Ethiopia. If they currently have high admixture, but have very very low IQs, then they are either a flaw in my theory, or at the very least an enigma to be explained.
>>1164863
The idea that the observed gap in racial IQs has nothing to do with genetics, when we now know that intra-group differences in IQ are highly genetic, I find very unlikely.
Though I will grant that the 30-40% of IQ that is NOT genetic is a very large factor to take into account.
>>1164839
>The past population doesn't even matter, it's not like ancient Ethiopia did anything more impressive or intellectually challenging than modern Ethiopia does.
How do you explain this?
Past populations do matter as Ethiopia was previously inhabited only by Habesha people who are responsible for al of Ethiopia's achievements. Somali invasions in the middle ages fucked the empire up and allowed Oromos to move in who aren't genetically the same as the Habesha, and guess what? The Oromo are the biggest ethnic group in Ethiopia. Add in the Nilo Saharans who also aren't Habesha, Somalis in the west and a fucked educational system due to shitty infustructure and you can see why Ethiopia has such a low IQ
>it's not like ancient Ethiopia did anything more impressive or intellectually challenging than modern Ethiopia does.
How do you explain this?
This could be applied to any nation
>>1164883
It takes IQs around 125 and above to have genetic social awkwardness due to being too rational all the time, most college graduates are below this and very social idiot.
>>1164880
This also lead to the original Finnish and Korean empires, both are very snowy.
>>1164873
Are you implying skull size and shape don't determine the mental powers of a person?
Guess mice are smarter than people
>>1164856
Are you retarded? We know modern Ethiopian genetics. We can determine their ancestry. We know their modern IQ.
Do you need to know if the ancient Kongo and modern Congolese are of the same stock before you conclude that the Congolese have low IQ because of genetics? Drop the bullshit.
>>1164855
>no proof at all in the thread of the Ethiopian population mixing with the Congolese
yep, you are full of shit.
>>1164674
T. Uneducated stormfag
The fuck are you doing on /his/?
>>1164887
Just make robots do the labor idiot.
>>1164878
But that's wrong m8
Try again
Bonus points if you don't post refuted charts by eugenicists from the 70's
>>1164889
So basically most of humanity would be below average except the serial killers?
How horrifying.
>>1164865
No shit.
>>1164884
Then they should just make it the tard test and not go above 100.
I think Andy Warhol had like an 85 IQ despite the fact he skipped a couple of grades in school and did extremely well
>>1164894
Who gives a damn about african kingdoms we know nothing about the social order in those kingdoms considering how backwards modern Africa is today in the congo, the congo 500 years ago was probably hell on earth but with spears.
>>1164902
Serial killers are actually pretty stupid compared to gen pop
>>1164893
Then why aren't blue whales smarter than people.
>>1164894
Its not bullshit. Ethiopia was one of the most successful kingdoms in ancient Africa, yet now they have very very low IQs. I also know for a fact that current research suggests that 2/3rds of IQ is inherited.
So based on those two facts, I have no other option but to ask whether there has been any new admixture or change in Ethiopian genetics since antiquity. Note however that this is assuming my two premises are correct. If Ethiopia was less advanced in the past than I have been led to believe, or if IQ is less genetically inheritable, that opens up room for alternative explanations.
>>1164908
According to the medieval Portuguese, that's wrong
>>1164912
Because they aren't the same species.
>>1164912
Get off my board you fucking cultural marxist
Once again making absurd allegories to escape logic
>>1164878
Bullshit.
if that was the case then why is the iq gap closing between White and Black Americans?
Also read https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
And try not to get your information from the 70s
>>1164893
I don't think you actually picked up a book on phrenology.
>>1164912
We have no clue how intelligent cetaceans are compared to us. Also that is cetacean neurophysiology, while blacks are homo sapien neurophysiology and in our species the more sloped your forehead the more you are a fucking moron.
>>1164911
The ones that get caught are stupid, the ones who can run to multiple states are very intelligent.
>>1164920
You compared mice to people. How was his example different?
And this isn't your safe-space.
>>1164920
>cultural marxist
jokes aside, what is this supposed to mean? That the person want a culture in which everyone is equal aka egalitarianism?
>>1164921
White women are all addicted to nigger cock thanks to the Jewish media
Thus lowering the average white IQ population
>>1164759
>how do you race-realist explain the fact that Ethiopia has some of the lowest IQ-s in the world? aren't they supposed to be not even real niggers? they actually have a lot of caucasian blood and were historically known to be the most advanced civilization black african civilization.
Not /pol/ but the best sub Saharan African civilization is still light years behind the worst Western European civilization. Portugal, being the small, moorish country it was, conquered brazil, zimbabwe, angola, trade posts in arabia, india, china and japan.
>>1164924
>dude, serial killers lmao
Just like Elliot Rodger then?
>>1164928
Explain the Flynn effect
>>1164933
A fluke liberals use
Just like lee newtons fallacy
>>1164922
Did these charts help spur research into what parts of the brain did what later on? Such as the language center or the hypothalamus.
>>1164921
>if that was the case then why is the iq gap closing between White and Black Americans?
The IQ gap isnt closing because black americans still score horrendous SAT scores compared to whites and asians. I know what you are thinking you see niggers on college campuses and suddenly think they are equal to us but in reality the majority of blacks in America are ghetto uncivilized beast that should be caged far away from society. those are the real blacks not the monkeys imitating whitey in the colleges, the behavior you see blacks do in the hood is their REAL BEHAVIOR THEIR TRUE GENETIC BEHAVIOR, its the shit that our ancestors witnessed that made us deem them violent subhumans in the first place.
ITT: Dindus BTFO
>>1164928
>White women are all addicted to nigger cock thanks to the Jewish media
what
are you even basing any of this off hard evidence at this point. At the very least link us to some studies to back you up.
>>1164932
Rodger wasnt a serial killer he was a mass murderer, a serial killer is someone who kill multiple people at a single time in an unpredictable pattern over the years.
Can I share a third opinion?
Why not take into account both geography and genetics when explaining the failure of sub Saharan Africa?
I think both are very important, and one does not rule out the existence of the other.
To all the subhuman niggerlovers in this thread
I invite you all to visit Africa and come back alive
>>1164878
IQ is a relative score. the global IQ is always 100, no matter how smarter or dumber people get. 100 represents the avarage, IQ-test results shift based on that.
the bar has been moving up in the last 80 years, the avarage person was better educated, including the avarage african. so the fact that they had similar scores means that their performance was improving along with the global avarage.
>Since the early 20th century, raw scores on IQ tests have increased in most parts of the world.[45][46][47] When a new version of an IQ test is normed, the standard scoring is set so performance at the population median results in a score of IQ 100. The phenomenon of rising raw score performance means if test-takers are scored by a constant standard scoring rule, IQ test scores have been rising at an average rate of around three IQ points per decade.
>>1164938
The only reason you arent raping a woman right now is because of your frontal lobe fool, blacks have defective frontal lobes compared to us white people making them basically wild animals in human bodies thats why they are so impulsive, violent, and thoughtless they have no impulse control they are animals.
>>1164939
Can you cite a paper that identifies the nigger behavior gene?
IQ tests are pretty fucking stupid, though. They only make sense if you've grown up in a developed country. If you're some African bushman, you won't even have the concept of taking a written test like that.
It's like if an alien race came to Earth and administered their own IQ tests for intelligence and we had no idea what the fuck was going on and they automatically deemed us retards for not knowing their special snowflake bullshit.
>>1164948
Kike
>>1164928
Seriously?
That's the best you've got? Conspiracy theories of Jews controlling everything to kill off the white race?
Though I suppose it doesn't surprise me that racists have low IQs themselves
http://www.livescience.com/18132-intelligence-social-conservatism-racism.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2095549/Right-wingers-intelligent-left-wingers-says-controversial-study--conservative-politics-lead-people-racist.html
http://m.liveleak.com/view?i=ce0_1396155879
Though I suppose as you stormfags like to say there are """"outliers""""
And I suppose there are smart right wingers out there as well...
>>1164937
So, anything that disagrees with your worldview is a Jew lie? Seems convenient desu
>>1164952
MAOA-2
>>1164950
Black IQs have not improved at all because the morons in black countries and setllements have actually became larger than they were in the past. Furthermore the jews may have lied to us about black americans in the first place their real IQ is 78 but they changed it to 84 because every black would have been institutionalized.
>>1164946
No, a serial killer kills several people but has cool down periods between killings.
>>1164948
Not even genetics, but malnutrition and diseases can play a factor. It's why North Koreans are so short. Also why blacks have a higher chance of developing sickle cell anemia, it helped combat malaria.
>>1164949
>Free ticket to go on an African safari in Botswana, play with monkeys in madagascar, and eat in Ethiopia
sign me the fuck up mate
>>1164959
Cant you tell when someone is meming you retard?
>>1164888
>Past populations do matter as Ethiopia was previously inhabited only by Habesha people who are responsible for al of Ethiopia's achievements. Somali invasions in the middle ages fucked the empire up and allowed Oromos to move in who aren't genetically the same as the Habesha, and guess what? The Oromo are the biggest ethnic group in Ethiopia. Add in the Nilo Saharans who also aren't Habesha, Somalis in the west and a fucked educational system due to shitty infustructure and you can see why Ethiopia has such a low IQ
No, none of this explains why Ethiopia is literally the stupidest country in Africa except for Equatorial Guinea (and the latter is because Lynn mistook retarded children in a spanish orphanage for Guineans somehow.)
Every African country has its rough childhood story. The Oromo people only make up 40% of the population anyway (Habesha are also around 40%) and clearly have heavy non-African admixture, just like the other groups. It's not even like there's a striking achievement gap between Habesha and Oromo in modern Ethiopia. Even if you argue that the innate qualities of the Habesha were responsible for ancient Ethiopia's success, whatever genetic advantage they had in that environment clearly did not translate into the modern era.
>>1164928
White Genocide
The only genocide involving lots of fun sex with chocolate women
>>1164971
And as malnourished as Koreans can get not one single population in Korea has Africa tier IQs on average yet there are entire towns full of violent retards in Africa.
>>1164938
>Did these charts help spur research into what parts of the brain did what later on?
No, new imagionology techniques and studies on brain-trauma victims did.
>>1164939
Do you professional citations for that, and not information that comes from /pol/?
Or maybe I can give you articles that disprove your bullshit """"facts""""
http://www.unz.com/article/the-iq-gap-is-no-longer-a-black-and-white-issue/
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/black-and-white-in-americ_b_160704.html
http://www.africaresource.com/sci-tech-a-business/genetics/528-race-intelligence-and-iq-are-blacks-smarter-than-whites
>>1164972
low IQ right winger detected
>>1164959
So iq matters when it comes to right wingers but not when it comes to Africans. Ok.
>>1164976
North Korea is literally violent retards:the country. Even their best fed Kim jong un is batshit insane.
>>1164972
>I was just pretending to be retarded
Should have thought about that before you came on /his/ you low IQ right winger.
>>1164963
>MAOA-2
So, that potentially explains some criminal behavior in less than 5% of blacks. Doesn't seem like a comprehensive argument.
>>1164985
You haven't linked us to a single study backing up your IQ claims. he has.
>>1164982
Your reports dont mean shit, reality proves blacks are fucking stupid compared to us whites, these animals have been in our country for 500 fucking years and instead of they get off their asses and improve themselves NOOOOOOOOOOOO THEY FUCK UP ALL OF THEIR COMMUNITIES THEN WANT US WHITE PEOPLE TO POLICE THEM BECAUSE THEY ARE SCARED OF GETTING ROBBED OR RAPED OR KILLED EVEN THOUGH ITS THEIR FUCKING FAULT THEIR COMMUNITY IS SHIT.
I fucking get mad everytime black people show hate to the police, half of these niggers right now wouldnt even fucking exist without the cops ensuring their daddy didnt get drivesby when he was 14 in the hood.
Do any of you liberals have any fucking idea HOW MANY HUMANS DIE IN AFRICAN COUNTRIES EVERY YEAR COMPARED TO EVEN THE POOREST EUROPEAN STATES?
>>1164973
>No, none of this explains why Ethiopia is literally the stupidest country in Africa
There has to be another reason then. We can agree that African genes are regressive to IQ and Ethiopians are heavily mixed people. I point towards the Oromo/minorities and infrastructure as a reason.
>The Oromo people only make up 40% of the population anyway (Habesha are also around 40%) and clearly have heavy non-African admixture,
It's important to take other demographics into consideration.
>It's not even like there's a striking achievement gap between Habesha and Oromo in modern Ethiopia.
Modern? Sure. Back then? Definitely.
>whatever genetic advantage they had in that environment clearly did not translate into the modern era.
Because of all the fucking foreigners in Ethiopia. The Habesha are the same as their ancient counterparts genetically and I see no other reason.
>>1164987
NK is anything but violent their leader might be nuts but their population is very civilized, notice South Korea is civilized, and Japan as well ever notice HOW COUNTRIES THAT DONT HAVE BLACKS IN THEM ARE PEACEFUL ON AVERAGE?
>>1164994
Observe the /pol/fag when presented with facts.
>>1164992
No one has linked a single study that demonstrates iq parity between the races.
>>1164939
Wait
So my family, friends, and I have all been pretending to be normal?
When do I get my du rag?
>>1165004
>very civilised
>peaceful
Ok lad
http://www.ohchr.org/EN/HRBodies/HRC/CoIDPRK/Pages/CommissionInquiryonHRinDPRK.aspx
>>1164997
The average black american is basically a genius compared to the average african, africans are so fucking stupid they make black americans look civilized in comparison you have no idea what an actual african is because all of you have met is the 0.01% of african blacks with 100 IQs, but if you live in Germany you may have once met an actual african black a violent wild animal that should be killed on sight. Go on look at every area of London filled with africans its chaos and bloodshed wherever these beast go.
>>1164976
Last I checked my home village was pretty sleepy and calm desu
Albeit Muslims like to stir things up sometimes up north
>>1164985
Would you not be guilty of the same double standard?
>>1164994
I remember this anon. When he gets really pissed he starts ranting in all caps. Why do you keep doing this, anon?
The other supposed "reasons" for African failure are banal in detail that are made up by apologetic liberals. The more /pol/esque posts are far more nuance in reasoning.
>>1165016
Buddy
Are you...okay?
I only ask because I'm pretty sure the last time I visited home there weren't people running around everywhere screaming with everything on fire performing cannibalism
It seemed more like bitching about taxes and laughing at country people
>>1165029
It doesnt matter if we did it you fucking nigger, you nigger shits have never done anything comparable to us whites, the asians, or the middle eastern people. You blacks are sewage of homo sapiens complete animalistic shit that should have gone extinct already.
We whites are the only reason you monkeys can read or have any ideas of the concept of:
morality
empathy
altrusim
law
justice
rules
family
honor
kindess
politeness
manners
future
past
numbers
math
This is also not a meme these concepts cant be found in any african native dictionary you people are subhumans.
>>1165041
All niggers must die I am sorry but your race has got to go.
>>1164388
What are some of the known parasites/diseases that affect livestock? Are there any severe plant diseases/blights/fungi that would inhibit cash crop development? I know peanuts, which are not native to Africa, are popular there, probably because they wouldn't be affected by them.
>>1165021
But why?
I merely wish to continue my humble existence of watching shounen, corny Nigerian films, and K-dramas by bookkeeping at a high school
>>1165021
Or you can just admit that humanity as a whole is savage.
Case and point the rape of Nanking.
You're a dumb, poorly educated and blue pulled underage.
For someone who can deconstruct the gender wage gap, you react like a feminist who makes the ridiculous assumption that women are paid less then men without taking into account the factors that make it so.
See >>1164982
>>1164959
And remember, if you disagree with any of these articles, you're retarded.
Kill all niggers and their apologists
They are inhuman monsters who will destroy us all if we let them breed
>>1165049
>watching shounen anime instead of the far superior manga it's based on
there's your problem, you have shit taste.
This is starting to read like a deep-south Grandmother's facebook wall.
>>1165049
You are a black you are the container of backwards primitive DNA that should not exist in this world, you are living fossils that got lucky African predators can long distance hunt most of the time unlike in Asia where wolves will chase you down for days.
>>1165052
Epic bait
>>1165000
You are just grasping at straws.
>I point towards the Oromo/minorities
The Oromo have heavy Caucasoid/Semitic admixture. Maybe less than the average """white""" Ethiopian but much more than Western Africans or whoever. Non-Oromo/Habesha Minorities in Ethiopia are 20% and largely feature other East Africans and Arabs, not exactly the most IQ-depressed ethnic groups you can find on the continent.
>and infrastructure
Like half of Africa.
>The Habesha are the same as their ancient counterparts genetically
So why are they so stupid? Or if they aren't, why are the Oromo so spectacularly retarded that they would bring up the average down to "worse-than-Congo" levels despite the supposedly smarter Habesha making up 40% of the population?
>>1165052
>>1165054
>grandma please, stop acting retarded
>HURR DURR BLACKS THE SOUTH SHALL RISE AGAIN
sounds uncomfortable close
>>1165043
Again, you are triggered by facts and logic, something that makes you compatible with SJWs and black lives matter.
Have you read the entire thread? Ever consider that just for the slightest moment within your frustrated ranting you might be wrong?
God forbid, that must scare you.
Also nice list of spooks.
Now kindly off yourself, you retard, you got BTFO.
>>1165045
Same goes to you too.
>>1165048
Tsetse Flies spread Trypanosomiasis, which harms humans and especially livestock. Malaria from mosquitoes is another issue for humans.
>>1165048
>What are some of the known parasites/diseases that affect livestock?
They have a special tiny breed of goat that is resistant to tsetse flies.
>>1165052
CRAWWLLLLIIIIINNNGGGG
>>1165059
>Relax around blacks
That is what your post implies, its bad to be nervous or on guard around niggers, blacks are violent stupid psychopaths they can go haywire on a whim and start stabbing you or trying to shoot you, dont believe me look at all those youtube prank videos involving blacks then look at how every single black mindlessly reacts with violence, or look at knock out game, or look at jamaican school fights involving knives.
>>1165078
You're a weirdo.
Not really sure the exact variety of livestock a early society needs, but they didn't have horses or goats. Doesn't sound like much but I believe that made acquiring a surplus to allow for the division of labor just enough more difficult to cast a shadow forever
>>1165078
Wait, you're saying that I can't even relax around myself?
>>1165072
how tiny? This is important.
Only Europe, Asia, and South Asia developed a class of literate bureacrats who lasted over centuries.. Of these countries, only Europe went beyond scholatisicism/confucionism to experimental science. And only Western Europe translated theoretical science into technological achievement between 1700 and 1850.
Africans got unlucky at every step of civilization building. They are impossibly behind and for purely sociological reasons are culturally more backwards than all other countries.
>>1165078
>still blaming blacks
Yeah because Slavs aren't violent at all.
>>1165070
Thanks. I also know of guinea worm affecting humans, does it affect animals as well?
>>1165083
You are a fool for relaxing around blacks, many white people in the USA have been raped, killed, beaten horribly, and tortured for relaxing around blacks. If you want what I mean go on any court filled with blacks then ask one to spar you playfully then watch as not 1 not 2 but all of them start trying to beat the shit out of you.
Walk past a group of blacks without one of them trying to antagonize you.
>>1165100
Compared to africans slavs are civilized.
>>1165089
>not seeing the irony in his posts
And that is why you fail? Do you happen to look like this?
>>1165094
Not that tiny.
>>1165102
>Walk past a group of blacks without one of them trying to antagonize you.
I do this every day.
You're a weirdo.
>>1165058
>The Oromo have heavy Caucasoid/Semitic admixture.
Genetic study for this claim? I'm pretty sure the Oromo as well as Somalis have significantly less admixture than Habesha, if their appearances are to go by.
>but much more than Western Africans
Didn't the Oromo mix with the Habesha as well as originating in East Africa rather than from Arabia like the Habesha?
>Non-Oromo/Habesha Minorities in Ethiopia are 20% and largely feature other East Africans and Arabs, not exactly the most IQ-depressed ethnic groups you can find on the continent.
Those other east African people have far less admixture that Habesha.
>Like half of Africa.
Still an effect. Add in the Oromo (unless you can pull up a study to prove your claim) and other "caucasian" east Africans and you have a country with a lower IQ than it should have.
>So why are they so stupid?
That's what I'm wondering too and I believe the previous reasons explain it.
>why are the Oromo so spectacularly retarded that they would bring up the average down to "worse-than-Congo" levels
Because they have less admixture
>>1165081
I bet you like Jojo then, you [spoiler]person of adequate taste
>>1165102
>still getting triggered
Wouldn't be surprised considering that America is a violent country with obscene numbers of deaths compared to other western countries (which also have black people in them)
Again, dumb socially inept alt-right winger who must use outdated facts and info graphs to justify his bigotry.
>>1165117
>[spoiler]
kill me.
>>1165122
Spoilers don't work on /his/
[spoiler] Beware the ides of March [/spoiler]
>>1165113
You are lucky anon thats all VERY FUCKING LUCKY, if you had any how many white men or women were beaten to near death by a group of blacks they walked past who didnt even fucking know them you would scream.
>>1165120
Im gonna laugh so hard when you european faggots get slaughtered by your muslim cocks you love so much, I hope all of you fucking die enjoy your desset liberal shit.
>>1165120
America has way more black people as a percentage of a population than virtually all other Western countries.
England 2%
France 4%
America 13%
>>1165128
Spoiler alert: I'm a white woman.
>>1165136
Get out of here only humans with logical thought processes allowed.
>>1165128
anon what do you do when you see a black person in real life? How do you interact with them, what do you say?
>>1165140
That won't rid us of the /pol/tard, unfortunately.
>>1165162
act normal but alert.
>>1165168
You probably act like a deer in the headlights, which is why they josh around with you.
People who think like you do shouldn't be allowed to own weapons for self defense.
>>1165102
>spar you playfully
wat
what kind of autist does this?
>>1165175
im not letting niggers kill me anon i must be alert around the apes at all times.
>>1165114
>I'm pretty sure the Oromo as well as Somalis have significantly less admixture than Habesha
I said as much in my previous post. They still have heavy Caucasoid/Semitic admixture, unlike properly black Africans.
>Didn't the Oromo mix with the Habesha
Is this a trick question? Of course they did. Maybe they even got all their Caucasoid genes from them, it doesn't even matter. The point is that both Habesha and Oromo have significant Caucasoid/Semitic admixture today. Those are the populations taking IQ tests in Ethiopia today.
>Those other east African people have far less admixture that Habesha.
Obviously. They still have less IQ-regressive alleles than any black Africans (except Yoruba IIRC), and it shows. They only make up a fraction of the population anyway.
>Still an effect
Yes, on half of Africa.
>That's what I'm wondering too and I believe the previous reasons explain it.
How do you take a group that's >30% Caucasoid and a group that's about 20% Caucasoid, add a third group that should be, at any rate, less stupid than Bantu, and end up with a lower IQ average than any black African country?
>[...] and you have a country with a lower IQ than it should have.
I just can't seem to get into your head that THEY HAVE THE LOWEST IQ IN THE WORLD
It's not a "why would the US have lower IQ than European countries" type of question, it's a "why would the US have lower IQ than African countries" type of question. You can't explain it away by invoking black admixture or infrastructure.
The worst any Ethiopian population can have is some black African admixture, but they have rather little of that, and it still doesn't explain why they have lower IQ than EVERY SINGLE 99.99% BLACK COUNTRY.
>>1165185
I said put up your dukes anon.
>>1165187
You must be the biggest pussy I've ever met on the internet.
>>1164388
It's always a combination of genetic and environmental influence. The two influence each other, as well.
Africa: weather is hot, jungle full of monstrous animals and insects. Result: people spend most of the time cooling down, and surviving.
People spend most of the time cooling down and surviving. Result: they don't spend any time learning more, and continue being primitive fucktards.
They continue being primitive fucktards. Result: no significant progress compared to many other countries.
>>1165212
>pussy
Thats niggers speak for not condoning their uncivilized behavior, I will not let you shame me into letting your kind beat the shit out of me I wont I swear to fucking Jesus and Allah.
>>1165214
Of course, we're forgetting something. Many of them could have, you know, left and traveled to somewhere else over time, somewhere with better living conditions. But many of them didn't. Conclusion: genetically, they were always primitive fucktards.
>>1165215
It's normal person speak for "person who lives in fear of members of their own community"
>>1165200
And before we waste any more time discussing how black the various East African groups are, please check these graphs.
>>1165128
I'm not even European or American.
Again, you are acting butthurt and juvenile when presented with Facts like a whiny SJW.
>>1165208
>Excuse me, but you look like a fine couple of negroes. Pray tell, why did you move to the city when you could clearly earn more than your share of pennies as a field hand?
>Oh, excuse me, I didn't mean to intrude. The reason why I approached you was to ask if you would favor a sporting engagement of fisticuffs. I'm aware that negroes, mulattoes and quadroons such as yourself take a great deal of pleasure in violence, so I thought why not introduce you urban fellows to a gentleman's fighting sport?
>>1165223
You saw that asian girl that got killed by A NIGGER IN UNIVERSITY. The girl was raped then beaten with a hammer by a nigger in college and you expect me to remain calm around these monkeys if even their college boys cant act civilized at all? Dont get me started on the hordes of niggers that are cancer to university students because they rob people all the fucking time.
>>1165220
Does the Bantu expansion not cover that?
>>1165236
Nah bro, didn't you know that all of human history is uniquely contingent on genetics, and geography, economics, and all other possible factors commonly explored by Jewish Marxist intellectual academia contribute negligibly?
It's true because I read it on stormfront. I can cite blogs if you want me to.
>>1165236
None of that matters because blacks are still behind, as we have said before they have no excuses if sandniggers made more advanced civilizations than them 5000 years ago around the Nile River.
>>1165239
>niggers
Jesus Christ, it's bad enough that you got BTFO, but you just resort to outdated facts and don't take into account socio economic factors, geography and culture.
I take it you get most of your info from /pol/. Seriously just leave.
>>1165236
>lack of interaction with other civilisations
Partly due to environment, but again, partly due to themselves for not traveling.
>closing iq gap
Don't care much about this, because I don't find IQ to be much more than an autism test. It's useful to an extent, but it doesn't detect real genius at any depth. Also, there has been a lot of race mixing the past couple centuries, and I never said genetics make up the whole picture anyway.
>socio economic factors
All established by themselves in their own country. Their "economy" was overwritten by the greater ones long ago.
>>1165252
>Nah bro, didn't you know that all of human history is uniquely contingent on genetics
I never said that genetics were the only factor. Get better reading comprehension, fucking bandwagoning moron.
I hate blacks so fucking much
Yesterday I saw a niglet fly from a swing and cut himself
His tears made me laugh my ass off
>>1165239
It's ironic hearing complaints about blacks murdering one girl or robbing people in universities when asians make the news for spree-killing or fucking cannibalizing their fellow students.
>>1164850
>>1165256
You hate reality when it doesnt agree with you hence you calling proven science from the 70s outdated when in reality black lower IQs have yet to be debunked, for some reason scientist just wont try to research more on black lower IQs because its racist and shit.
