ITT: The greatest generals.
> Now, surviving for 40 years of constant warfare in the 15th century is a big enough deal by itself, but this guy went above and beyond – his biographer credits him with personally killing 3,000 men on the battlefield during his career.
>>1162223
If he was taking a selfie his phone wouldn't be in the picture. Fake as fuck.
The only correct answer is Subotai
>>1162260
He is using mirror retard.
>>1162201
That makes him a great fighter, not necessarily a great general, even assuming it's true.
I'm going to have to second Subotai myself.
Jan zizka
>>1162279
didn't he murder someone with a knife or something in civilian life? I might be thinking of command post kills when overrun on the eastern front though
>>1162280
Admiral Yi
>>1162201
>>1162285
Just look at this blessed sword. God knows how many T*rkish heads were sliced.
Anyone involved in the Reconquista
https://youtu.be/p_5yt5IX38I
>>1162305
My dick gets rock hard thinking of the butthurt this causes Muslims and sjws to this day
>>1162305
>>1162269
Except that his phone doesn't have a lens on that side moron
>>1162373
Those are some helms deep/300 odds for real senpai
>>1162325
I once saw a tumblr post complaining about how spaniards took arabs territory for no reason right after the reconquista
>>1162201
How would the great kebab remover Skanderbeg react to knowing that Albanians spend most of their existance sucking off Turkish dicks while the rest of the Balkan nations actually fought against them?
He was a murderous thug who couldn't administer his conquests properly, but his military record is impressive. Timur was badass. He defeated the Golden Horde, Delhi Sultans, Chagatai Khans, the Ottomans, the Mamluks.
>>1162408
Except its completely mythologized. In reality the arabs probably only outnumbered them by a few hundred
>>1162418
Kek. Muslims still buthurt about the 1:500 KD ratio. Get rekt Mohamed,Pelayo was enlighted by God himself against the hordes of muzhitz
>>1162418
That one may be true, but this one tho
The spark of white glory
>>1162426
I'm not Muslim man. But you have to be fucktarded to believe in those numbers. The entire caliphate couldn't even muster that many men at once especially given early medieval logistics.
>>1162432
2:1 odds are impressive but not THAT impressive. The English routinely beat the French when outnumbered 3:1 or 2:1 during the hundred years war
>>1162442
>t. I am not muslim Salam alehkum.
>>1162415
Its a matter of perspective you could say that albanians and bosnians were loyal to their country while the rest was chimping out.
>>1162442
Consider the forces. A bunch of volunteers, wretched spaniards from across the northern with little to nothing in common other than their skin color and religion against an organized army of military superior moors. That is impressive and not Crecy.
>>1162460
>little to nothing in common other than their skin color and religion
What about language? What about historical ties between the nobility? Also, the Christians weren't as helpless as you make them out to be. They took hundreds of years to reconquer the territory because of their incessant internal squabbles.
>>1162467
People there spoke: Castillian, Galaic, catalán, french, portuguese and gods knows what romance deviant langauge. And the true union with the nobility came with Isabel and Fernando, before that they were resiliant to get together.
>>1162593
>Little difference between those languages
You obviously don't know shit about what you are talking about. They are so different from each other that is silly to think we are all spanish.
>>1162415
Why would he give a shit? He was muslim once himself, you know. Besides, the Orthodox Christians were just Cannon Fodder. Even the muslim Albanians almost completely demolished the Ottoman Empire (pic related). Too bad the western cucks didn't let him.
>>1162201
>personally killing 3,000 men
You would have to be pretty profoundly retarded to believe that.
>>1162664
No they aren't you stupid fuck. Portuguese, Castilian, Galician, aragonese, is basically all the same shit
Harald Hardada
Abū Sulaymān Khālid ibn al-Walīd ibn al-Mughīrah al-Makhzūmī
>>1162285
Glorious balkan days before mudslim corruption.
>>1162593
Various "French" languages were spoken in Iberia,mont notably Occitan and Gascon in Navarre.
>>1162460
What kind of meme is this bullshit?
The Spanish kingdoms were militarized as fuck by their very nature
They were able to muster far more soldiers given their size than you would expect and they were always well equipped
>muh skin color
Yeah they would not have given a shit
If a moorish mercenary would help then they would pay for him
>>1162467
You forget than they taxed the moors, specially granada survived for nearly three hundred years thanks to paying tribute to castile.
>>1162928
Have you ever heard a portuguese and a spaniard speak? The difference is clearly audible
>>1162263
>The Battle of the Kalka River
>another butthurt balkan thread
Turks fucked you pretty hard, aren't they?
>>1162201
He was highly aggrandized.
>>1162305
Is there any good documentaries/series on this?
>>1164042
I dont know in english, there are tons in spanish, obviously
>>1164090
si por favor senor
>>1163897
buthurt t*rko-kiro
The GOAT.
True general and friend
>>1162467
>What about language?
Even today's Spain is very diverse linguistically. Imagine before. It's not that different realms had different languages, it's that and even inside each realm there were different languages.
>>1162593
>french volunteers didn't speak french
>>1163632
Moors in Spain looked exactly like christian spaniards, the only difference being religion and sometimes clothes (but not always, see king Lobo). The only exception to this are a a small number amongst the elites and a small number of slaves.
>>1164119
You gotta start learning the language of the place if you're interested in it's history.
>>1164155
>implying
>>1164583
>serbs
why you cheating cockroach
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Graham,_1st_Marquess_of_Montrose
This fellow is severely underrated
>>1164583
How the fuck did that happen?
>>1166431
800. GOOD. MEN.
>>1166442
It's ser 800 from the house GOODMEN.
>>1162684
>Why would he give a shit? He was muslim once himself, you know
That's exactly why he would care very much. He was forced to convert, but realized that Islam is against European heritage and so he fought it to the death. Nowadays so called "European Muslims" would disgust him.
He would personally cut off the head of every Albanian Muslim if he could today.
>>1162263
He's the Motherfuckin' Ice General.
>>1162452
no you couldn't say that
sucking Turkish dick =/= loyal to your country
>>1166486
If he was so in love with European heritage, why wasn't he a pagan?
>>1166483
>Turks are like fucking Zergs.
>They kept killing them in the ten thousands, but every time they came back with another 100.000 man army.
Yet when Romans do it they're masters of logistics.
>>1166504
Because paganism had long been dead by the 15th century. Since people had no concept of nationality, they associated with religion, all Europeans associated with Christianity, and all Arabs/Turks with Islam.
>>1166534
>Because paganism had long been dead by the 15th century.
Not that long since last pagans, the Lithuanians, were converted in 1300s and there were plenty of hidden pagan communities (pretending or just hiding) even in central fucking Italy during the renaissance.
>>1166537
Christianity was European heritage by the time of the 15h century, as opposed to the Turkish/Arab heritage of Islam.
>>1162285
I think Turkish numbers are exaggerated. Ottoman Army was not that big in that years.
>>1162201
>his biographer
hardly unbiased
>John Hunyadi
>born a peasant, rose to general and statesman
>BTFO Turks for 60+ years
>had an armor faceplate with space for his badass 'stache
it's like you're not even trying, /his/.
>>1166930
>Crusade of Varna
>Venice
>Poland
>Hungary
>Croatia
>Bohemia
>Lithuania
>Serbia
>Wallachia
>Moldavia
>Bulgaria
>Holy >Roman >Empire
>Papal States and whoever served under them
>Teutonic Order
vs
>Ottoman Empire
>Result: Decisive Ottoman victory, Ottoman domination in the balkan,
he's shit tier
>>1162201
Gaius Marius, Sulla, Pompey, Lucullus. All great generals - their lives are intense - they all lived around the same time - and they were all put in the shade by the incredible Ceasar.
>>1166547
Don't worry, Islam will be European heritage next century.
>>1166486
>That's exactly why he would care very much.
You're making no sense.
>He was forced to convert, but realized that Islam is against European heritage and so he fought it to the death.
Skanderbeg was more of a "muh peeople" guy more than a "muh europe". I sincerely doubt Skanderbeg really had much respect for anyway, do you remember how most europeans treated him?
>He would personally cut off the head of every Albanian Muslim if he could today.
The dude had muslim Albanians fighting for him, why didn't he cut their heads off?
>>1166708
Skanderbeg didn't even know who Martin Barleti was, really. I suppose he had the most information around Skanderbeg so I suppose it isn't completely wrong, but he definitely wasn't his personal biographer.
>>1162287
God that movie was shit. Not even including a battle where he uses the turtle ships, what a joke.
>>1162223
>phone has no camera
What is this wizardry?
>>1167050
I'm not really into Roman history, but is it just me, or was Ceasar's success more based on his diplomatic skill, than his strategy skills? (not saying they were shit, but afaik, most of his battles were won thanks to the Roman spirit, not some amazing tactics he made up on the spot)
>>1162281
If anything it was based Prokop
>>1167363
Caesar's most impressive wins were against other Romans. Hell, most of his Gallic commanders sided with Pompey. By all rights he should have been crushed before Pharsalus. According to Plutarch he expected to lose.
>>1167400
Well but even so, in Phrasalus he won because he had veteran soldiers while optimates had shitty young new recruits who started fleeing at first sight of loss.
>>1166930
>didn't rescue Constantinople
>>1166504
Because he was a 15th century lord, not a 21st century NEET LARPer
>>1168399
>Hannibal
>Berber
wat
![158[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/UVExcaY.jpg "158[1].jpg")
>>1164640
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Hungary
>Ottoman Hungary was the territory of Medieval Hungary which was ruled by the Ottoman Empire from 1541 to 1699
158 years mate.
>>1168399
>Selim
>Mehmed
Bayezid is better than these two combined, too bad he clashed with timur
>>1162201
bump
>>1166533
that's pretty much how they won the 2nd punic war. They were absolutely rekt time and time again but it didn't matter in the end.
