>American protestants think Harry Potter and Pokemon are works of satan.
And people wonder why young people are becoming less religious.
>>1157404
The Harry Potter one is justifiable since it presents witchcraft as something good and attainable maybe
The pokemon's fucking nuts tho
>>1157430
J.K Rowling flat out said her Harry Potter story is a Christian allegory
>>1157430
>taking Witchcraft as seriously
That's how you go in jail by the inquisition, it's not real. It's fiction.
>>1157430
The general idea behind the Pokémon thing is that it promotes evolution, which some people (ie: Retards) believe is an invention of Satan to corrupt the precious minds of good Christian children.
>>1157404
Becoming less like protestants, which is a good thing.
>>1157404
>Pr*ddies not actually acting like Christians
What a shocker
>>1157572
But pokemon evolution has nothing to do with darwin's evolution. Darwin would be super mad if he watched pokemon.
>>1157590
You honestly expect the average Bible-thumping fundie retard to know that?
>>1157572
>promotes evolution
But it doesn't? It's video games.
>>1157596
Tell that to the fundie soccer m9ms that still spout this shit.
>>1157601
I did, shit got heated and I ended up throwing holy water and telling her the devil is inside her.
>>1157622
Because it ain't real, no such thing as magic and spooky shit.
>>1157622
Considering the fact that "witchcraft" in the bible isn't what popular culture defines as witchcraft and is more like being someone who make various types of poisons there's no issues using popular culture's definition of witchcraft in an allegorical way
>>1157404
here in huezil, protestants shat on Yugioh
>>1157677
>protestants in hueland
>>1157404
Bro did you step out of '96?
Evangelicals are much more subtle than they were in the pre-internet times. Now they engage in sophisticated apologetics instead of cultural witch hunts
>>1157684
theres plenty of them.
They're our secret weapon against muslims
>>1157691
>protestants
>good against muslims
>not the paramilitary faggots you got running around in the Amazon that really wants some cred would kill the muslims
>>1157698
think of this way right.
Muslims generally got the down in the luck, in prison, poor bastards that have nothing left to leave.
Our protestants already have firm monopoly on those people.
>>1157705
So they own the jails or are the protestants in jail? I'm not following.
BEHEAD ALL THOSE WHO CARE ABOUT YA
>>1157688
>sophisticated apologetics
Kent Hovind gets shitposted here almost every day
>>1157631
Even at that, the issue is less "magic is part of the book's universe" and more "HOW it's part of the world's universe."
Now if it were set in a pure fantasy world or a world where it's analogous to ours but VERY different, that would probably lessen many qualms (including mine for the general hatred I have for "hidden world" stories like HP, Percy Jackson and MIB) but also when compared to Lewis Magic or Tolkien Magic, Rowling Magic isn't an inherent reality of the world limited in access to very few being's who all happen to be supernatural already (Gandalf isn't a human Wizard like Dumbledore so much as he's an ancient fantasy Angel) and when humans or similar beings try and use magic it ALWAYS backfires and corrupts them because Magic is seen as a divine force not meant for mortals to wield.
Magic isn't bad in fiction, it's presentation is.
http://www.catholic.com/magazine/articles/the-morals-of-magic
>>1157572
Pokemon evolution was more like metamorphosis, not Darwinist evolution
>>1157811
>unironically linking to catholic dot com
I want these /pol/-tier Christcucks to leave
>>1158699
>some cuckold from reddit trying to shitpost
>>1158707
>anyone is disagrees with my religious spam is plebbit lmaooo
>>1158729
>he's still shitposting
/lit/ have sex
>>1158707
>being anti-religious makes you a redditor
Top fucking kek, I bet you can't even remember 4chan before it became the bastion of conservatism and stormcuckery
>>1158793
I do remember, and now it is.
>>1158646
As I've said, fundies don't know anything about evolution, yet whine about it anyways.
>>1158793
It's because /pol/ always has to be contrarian. Because science and social leftism has become somewhat popular in society now, /pol/ has become a bunch of religious faggots. I kinda want a revival of religion just to prove they would go the opposite direction.
Fundies of any generation hate the new incoming generation.
That's how fundies work, have worked since the beginning of fundamentalism, and will do so until the end of fundamentalism.
>>1158834
And honestly I wouldn't mind if they just stayed in their containment board. But they shit up /his/ too.
>>1158809
People who think they are the product of "evolution" don't understand the implications of what they are thinking.
>>1158844
Maybe it's because you got redditors flooding the board and people heading towards here.
>>1157404
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OrX_qrm9XYA
>>1158834
>science
>somewhat popular now
>now
Dumbest post of the year.
>>1158834
I was catholic before i found /pol/
>>1158845
Every living thing is the product of evolution. Evolution is the process in which every living thing diverged due to a multitude of random and non-random factors that changed them biologically to make them either more or less fit for their environment/surroundings. Over time you start to see larger changes because naturally with more time passing more mutations and such can occur. It's a slow, and very long process (usually) but we can easily observe it the natural world. (especially in areas where the color has changed rapidly, you see the more "sneaky" colored organisms survive and become the dominant populace)
>>1158861
I meant in popular culture. That's where /pol/ derives what to do the opposite of.
>>1158877
has it not occurred to you that conservatives are ousted from every other website so the website that will tolerate anything is a natural home for them?
>>1158875
Thank you, I already knew you were an idiot.
>>1158885
Where was this at? The webm, I mean
>>1158877
/pol/ is becoming popular culture.
>>1158912
Turkey i think
>>1158886
Why am I an idiot? I mean I dumbed down my explanation quite a bit, but the points are still there. Biology is one of my favorite fields, so it stings a little when I see retards like you go ">EVOLUTION >REAL" unironically when people have worked so hard to oust creationism from schools and such. You retards want to put it back.
>>1158913
I don't want to live on this planet anymore
>>1158936
you're a fucking idiot because you're attacking someone for something they didn't fucking do
idiot
>>1158936
Don't fall for it!
>>1158948
>>1158949
Oh nevermind, I'm an idiot. I misread what he was saying. Carry on lads.
>>1158970
Take that cheeky smily and shove it up your ass.
>>1158988
You sound aggravated.
>>1157404
>tfw offering mormon cucks coffee before telling them I'm a catholic
They still come back. Protestants are literal cancer
>>1157404
I think young people are less religious for other reasons.
>>1159091
You mean the Jews?
>>1158793
4chan has never been anti-religious, not even during the chanology clusterfuck. Reddit/atheism raided us back in 2010-2011 and now again in 2015-2016 when they heard rumors we turned christian. Actual atheists and agnostics on here don't give a shit about others being religious.
>>1158834
>contrarian
Heavens forbid anyone has an opinion that's different from yours. They must be p-p-pretending!
>science
The fuck are you talking about? /pol/ is the most militant "STEM major or nothing" board on 4chan.
>social leftism
Because saying that someone disagreeing with you online is tantamount to physical rape and needing safe spaces is batshit insane and I'm saying that as a democrat. These are often (but not always) valid criticisms of the far left, not mindless contrarianism.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GgkTbQc63G0
For posterity
>>1159091
All young people are religious
they are adepts of consumerism
*tips*
>>1159139
What the fuck am I watching? Why are Jehovah "Witnesses" triggered over a fucking toy? Jesus Christ are they like the faggots who piss on 2d because it's "immoral"
>>1157732
I mean sophisticated the same way people mean "mental gymnastics"
>>1158877
Science has been popular since the 19th century and very popular in 20th century.
>>1159156
Don't spend your money and time on toy, spend it on watch tower and watch tower accessories.
>>1159172
But it's a fucking toy. Also hold up? Do they believe in magic? Because if they get offended by a wizard it means they buy into the magical shit and want to disown it, instead of being blunt and realizing that it's fucking fake. I don't get it, why are they fucking asinine and can't understand if they buy into the magic shit and want to disown it, they become the problem.
>>1157713
Only the scum of the country converts to different kinds of meme protestantism since it's that kind of people who listens to missionaries the most. The rest is catholic because that's the normal thing. It's a thing in all south america.
>>1159196
So it's degenerate protestants fighting degenerate moslems?
>>1159178
They're a nonchristian cult. Of course they're going to be crazy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2k8snj97xY0
>>1159234
Hey, can we be real here? What the fuck is up with JW? When did they start up?
>>1159287
>What the fuck is up with JW? When did they start up?
Watch the video, the history is at 4:17
>>1159497
Why are they fucking idiots? I don't get it.
>>1159556
American education has always been terrible.
>>1159234
Can we please stop this meme of declaring people non-Christian for believing really retarded and distorted version of Christianity, Christianity is the recognizing of Jesus of Nazereth as the Messiah, That is it, one clear exception is Islam.
>>1159707
>That is it
No it isn't
>>1159719
The what is? Not just for my sake, but others, please provide an explanation of your point?
>>1159117
I was gonna say the rise of secularism & skepticism, but whatever.
>>1159707
No, Christianity at the bare minimum is the Apostles' Creed or at the very very least, the unique divinity of Christ.
JWs deny Christ's divinity, claim he was the archangel Michael, and just a man in life. JWs and SDAs also believe in soul sleep which denies the communion of saints. Mormons believe everyone is a god and Jesus is just the eldest sons of Elohim along with Satan. And that Elohim incarnated as Adam and incarnated again for one night stand to fuck Mary and deny the virgin birth. Christian Scientists claim Jesus was just first "Christian Scientist" trailblazer.
JWs, Mormons, and "Christian" ""Scientists"" are in no way Christians beside ripping off Jesus' name and backstory for their proto-new age religions much like Islam.
>>1159857
See was that so hard? You've provided information, see how that's better than "No it isn't"?
>>1157404
found the hedonist
>>1157572
It's the Shinto themes. I'm recalling the one episode with Sabrina, the gym leader of Saffron City.
The problem here isn't religion, it's radicalism
Fundamentalists from every Abrahamic religion have found a problem with modern entertainment.
http://bulbapedia.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_controversy#Religion
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religious_debates_over_the_Harry_Potter_series
>>1160286
>bulbapedia
kys
>>1160286
>Many prominent rabbis have described the Harry Potter books as, in the words of one, "a force for good".[71][72] In 2005, a conference at the University of Reading debated whether Harry Potter had a "yiddishe neshama" (Jewish soul).[73] Sir Jonathan Sacks, the former chief Rabbi of the Commonwealth of Nations, claims that, in "a society in which adolescents are precociously adult, and adults are permanently adolescent", Harry Potter has "reclaimed the kingdom of childhood, proving that you don’t have to betray to enchant".[74]
>>1159127
4chan hasn't been anti religious but neither has it been pro religious like it is now. I liked this place way more when it wasn't all about politics and >muh crusade against sjw's and muslims
it's so easy to debunk religion these days and still you people (talking about /pol/) insist on forcing it down peoples throats because you have a massive hard on for traditionalism and despise anything popular
>>1161075
4chan was pretty anti-religion in general from 06-09. Not actively, it was just the general average user was someone who recognized religion for the artificial social abstraction that it is. This is a place where people who are socially rejected tend to accumulate, and ten years ago being nonreligious was a common factor in not having many friends. A lot has changed in ten years, and now it's the reverse, and religious people are looking for a safe space.
The biggest religious posters here are pretending, some for trolls others for sport. It's challenging to defend something logically that's impossible to base in logic, and people try anyway as a sort of debate hobby.
>>1157404
I remember my friend's fundie Baptist dad burned his D&D books back in the 80's.
He converted to Catholicism because of it.
>>1157572
If anything, Pokemon promotes games animal fights.
Which, being from the Philippines where we fight Cocks and Spiders, isn't really that offensive to me.
Or to other Asians really. Chinks fight crickets, fish, & quails, Japs beetles and fish.
>>1157404
stretched his legs
>>1161075
4chan was better when people didn't give a fuck about /pol/ Sure, go ahead and call Mussies goatfuckers and sandniggers but hearing about how they're the spawn of satan and that jews niggas are the root of all evil gets really old real quick.
>>1161075
>it's so easy to debunk religion these days
Nice try rebbit
>>1159139
What do these niggas do with bronys?
>>1157677
Here in America, it's just the Magic players and anime fans with taste who shit on Yugioh. And rightly so.
>>1161147
This desu
>>1161188
lmao you show him christfriend
>>1161180
The thing is that if you ignore /pol/ these days they'll just infiltrate every single board. You have to call them up on their bullshit or they'll spread like cancer. Of course then they'll start using the victim card but it's better than having every thread turn into a discussion about the inferiority of black people and the fight against sjws
>>1157430
It's not. This is why protestantism is retarded
>>1157688
Evangelicals are morons and degenerates
>>1159857
Nowhere in the Scriptures does anyone pray to the dead
>>1161481
Illegitimate morons have no right to speak until they can explain this
>>1161423
I always can't tell if these types of posts are thinly veiled bait. Probably is.
Crossposters have always crossposted. There's nothing new about that.
I think people have this habit of attributing classical "guaranteed replies" trolling to a some sort of subversive, organised campaign by individuals or groups trying to push something. Who knows, there very well might be.
But ask yourself, universally across all boards, what guarantees a thread derailment? Anything remotely /pol/ish or political. A political thread caters to pretty much everyone. To those that have genuine opinions, those that have "meme" opinions -- regurgitating the popular (factually incorrect) opinion from either the board itself or their home board, trolls who wish to troll former two and trolls who wish to troll the trolls.
I say this as someone who has been warned and banned for posting /pol/ish or thinly veiled political content for the sake of getting guaranteed replies.
Just my two cent.
>>1161743
>But ask yourself, universally across all boards, what guarantees a thread derailment? Anything remotely /pol/ish or political. A political thread caters to pretty much everyone. To those that have genuine opinions, those that have "meme" opinions -- regurgitating the popular (factually incorrect) opinion from either the board itself or their home board, trolls who wish to troll former two and trolls who wish to troll the trolls.
This was not always the case and you know it and even if it was, political discussions of the past on 4chan weren't almost totally centered around complaining about refugees, sjw's, liberals or leftwingers and the site had far wider political spectrum than it does these days.
Every "left winger" and their opinions are suppressed right off the bat even though 4chan used to have a large amount of very liberal people in the past (not saying they were neo-liberals)
>>1161786
The diehard leftists on 4chan retreated to /lit/ or Reddit where their arguments don't get blown to smithereens. Even today, left-wingers get blown out just by pointing out that the Soviet Union's member states lagged 1000% behind NATO member states in GDP per capita
>>1161795
I'm glad the diehard leftists are gone but they were replaced by an ever growing group of far rightists and national socialists who are almost as retarded and even though they get argued to oblivion all the time, they don't seem to disperse
Anyway, my point is that over the top political discussion including pseudo science about hablo-groups and hate of everything that is associated with middle-east and Africa should be contained within /pol/ and /b/ but this is not the case. /pol/ wants to turn 4chan into a "fortress of contrarian political opinions" by forcing themselves upon every board and thread if left
unchecked.
This site was created to be a discussion board for people who like anime and video games, not for people who can't write a single non political post
>>1161831
>/pol/ wants to turn 4chan into a "fortress of contrarian political opinions" by forcing themselves upon every board and thread if left unchecked.
Either disprove their arguments or put them on ignore.
>This site was created to be a discussion board for people who like anime and video games, not for people who can't write a single non political post
And yet, /b/ was ridiculously political back in 2005. Things change, including the purposes of things.
>>1161848
Those people will unironically claim poland was day from invading Germany and was massacring Germans in the thousands citing German propaganda or people who cite German propaganda then call you a cuck or shill if you argue against them, how are you supposed to argue with that?
My fifth grade teacher refused to read Harry Potter in class because "the devil takes many forms", her words. This was a Lutheran elementary school, mind you. But all the other teachers recognized that anything that got kids reading was good.
>>1161848
>Either disprove their arguments or put them on ignore.
every time you start arguing with them succesfully, they will go full damage control and start shouting buzzwords like shill, cuck, sjw, redditor, leftist, jidf etc. and because there are so many of them they'll just gang up on any a person challenging them. /pol/ is an echo chamber
>>1161786
I agree with you on the first point.
But opinions being suppressed and legitimate oppression political sects (excluding mismanaged and poorly executed shitposting control) on 4chan? Besides individual cases of mods or janitors going rogue? I certainly don't think that is a thing.
There's no downvote here and people typically catch on very quickly when the mods cross a certain line. We're all by default equal here in anonymity. The further that a post is disagreed with, the more highlighted it becomes, disagreement floats to the top on 4chan, not agreement.
>>1161831
>/pol/ wants to turn 4chan into a "fortress of contrarian political opinions" by forcing themselves upon every board and thread if left unchecked.
A board is not a single person. Really, there's nothing in the way of proof that /pol/, as a board, is trying to "takeover" other boards.
Regardless, 4chan has always been a "fortress of contrarians", at the minimum has sat on the outskirts of what is "typical".
And making case for confining certain opinions to certain areas of the site is comical for someone who was talking about oppression of political opinions.
>>1161872
>Those people will unironically claim poland was day from invading Germany and was massacring Germans in the thousands citing German propaganda or people who cite German propaganda then call you a cuck or shill if you argue against them, how are you supposed to argue with that?
Demand proof. Don't argue the point or anything else the bring up, just ask for the proof and if they can't provide it or shitpost in defence, they are trolling. So they don't reflect those that do legitimately hold that opinion. You can mentally discard them and anyone else reading the thread or discussion, with at least modicum of intelligence will also discard them.
>>1157404
>less religious
nice meme, the only regions which have little to no religious followers is eastern asia and euro countries, christianity is rising in china and nippon, europe will slowly be taken over by a higher birthrate of muslims
>>1159127
Not that guy and I'm actually Christian, but 4chan /b/ was getting downright SPAMMED by all the "lol sky daddy", "lol Jewish zombie", "lol talking snake" maymays before say, 2011. Christianity was openly mocked daily and even agnostics were just called fence sitters and trolled to all fuck. Some Christian guy even made a Christian imageboard (forgot its name) that was supposed to be free of vulgarity and porn and /b/tards raided it every single day posting atheist maymays and gore.
Only after /pol/ got created and people started getting fed up by atheism being too mainstream and pushed by the media, they all magically "converted" to Christianity. When these new 4chan "Christians" post fedora memes they are actually making fun of their former selves.
>>1157568
Thought I might as well say, since witchcraft is an Old Testament sin, it's a sin in Judaism too, however Orthodox Jews consider it to have been something that existed thousands of years ago but died out long before the Witch Trials even happened.
>>1159127
4chan has never been anti-religious
>>1161984
it's not a meme, it's true.
most people i know that say to be religious don't do anything "religious" like their parents and grandparents did.
they don't go to church, they don't care about getting married by the church, they never read their bible, they know very little about their own religion fucking lore
so yeah, people today pick religion like most women pick a football team, to be part of something and have an answer to give when someone asks you where you stand, but they couldn't care less about it
>>1162157
So what? They believe in God in greater numbers, and believe in the gospel in greater numbers, and believe in the afterlife in greater numbers.
The days of going to a decorated building and pretending it's "church" are coming to an end.
>>1162198
they don't believe in god, they never stopped to know what's there to believe... but their parents were religious, they molded them to follow their religion by introducing them to catechism and similar shit at a young age, so since they never stopped to think about it, they never had a choice to pick anything different.
and that's why in my opinion religion should never be teached until the child has the maturity to think by himself but to most people religion and the basic values are the same thing when they aren't
>>1158988
cuck
fr*cking proddies when will they learn
>>1162238
and how exactly does this harm anyone? also what you are proposing is impossible to enforce. parents are going to teach children their religion no matter what unless you ban sunday school and place cameras in every home
>>1162012
>Only after /pol/ got created and people started getting fed up by atheism being too mainstream and pushed by the media, they all magically "converted" to Christianity
fucking this, and it's not just /pol/. I've seen dozens of people suddenly convert to christianity because it's hip to go against the atheist movement
/pol/ wants you to believe everybody hates christianity and christians but the truth is it's becoming more and more fashionable to be religious
>>1163028
>but the truth is it's becoming more and more fashionable to be religious
Because shit is getting fucked anon, you should realize that.
>>1163049
so to make things unfucked we have to rely on lies and keep on pretending there's some "bigger meaning"?
>>1163205
No, it's called "society is burning I wanna go home why the hell didn't I listen."
None of us have the fucking power to do anything, and people are trying to take comfort in the Church and trying to weather this storm.
>>1157404
Christianity distorts the minds of many people. Although I agree that if people where to live according to correct biblical doctrine then it's true, they wouldn't be allowed to have their kids watch Harry Potter or Pokemon. And I say this as a former Christian. Christianity itself is a remarkably well devised lie, the bible has multiple layers of manipulation which will imprison a person.
>>1163306
>And I say this as a former Christian
See this shit, this is why protestantism doesn't work.
>>1161145
This. Harry Potter doesn’t promote witchcraft and Pokemon doesn’t promote evolution, but Pokemon could be seen as promoting animal cage fights. I don’t believe that either but it's far more logical than the other shit.
>>1157430
>and attainable maybe
They're works of fantasy, if anything they're Satanic because they present witchcraft and magic as fictional.
>>1163430
If you treat it like it's fictional it dissuade kids from doing Satanic shit because to them, it's fictional.
>>1163430
From a Christian standpoint magic the way Harry Potter presents it is fiction
The way it operates according to various laws in a similar manner to gravity, and the way people can't actually acquire it (you're either born a wizard or not) is far removed from the idea of the occult and consorting with demons to increase one's own power
>>1163028
>I've seen dozens of people suddenly convert to christianity because it's hip to go against the atheist movement
Or because people on 4chan are getting older, graduating college, and finally getting around to looking into religion motivated from being fed up with their complete lack of knowledge about religion.
Of the various reasons people have stated that they are becoming religious, none of them is to cut against the grain. Even the christian atheists who are supporting christian morals are doing so because they genuinely find them good for society and not just to separate themselves from autistic atheists/anti-theists of reddit. If they were just trying to be different they would be Wicca/Neo-Pagan (like /lit/ hipsters) or just fighting SJWs/degenerates they would be Muhammadans (there's a thread on /pol/ or /int/ every week urging people to join to fight degeneracy).
>>1161118
>It's challenging to defend something logically that's impossible to base in logic
There's nothing illogical about religion. If programmer can fuck with their executing programs, God can do the same. If gamers can self insert into a digital world, God can incarnate into this one.
>4chan was pretty anti-religion in general from 06-09
Having fun at religion's expense isn't the same as being anti-religion.
>>1163587
what's illogical about religion isn't the basic idea of a god but the lack of any compelling logical reason to believe in such a thing and the mountains of evidence showing that specific religions are bullshit
>>1163636
Except none of that is true
>>1163636
>being a degenerate that wants the west to fall
>>1163489
This. This a hundred times.
>>1163651
the west does not depend upon me believing absurd things. If I have a problem with certain christian groups shoving their absurdities down everyone's throats why would I be ok with Muslims doing it to a much more extreme degree?
>>1163687
>the west does not depend upon me believing absurd things
So you want Godlessness and the fall of the west? Because all I see from atheists are hedonists and degenerates.
>>1163639
There isn't any compelling logical reason to believe in any deity or group of deities and there certainly is evidence that shows specific religions to be bullshit. Mormonism is basically bible fanfiction, Scientology is a religion Ron Hubbard made up for various reasons, Judaism didn't start out as a monotheist faith, etc.
>>1163701
Hedonism and Degeneracy are memes and not actually responsible for the downfall of civilizations.
>>1163728
>Hedonism and Degeneracy are memes and not actually responsible for the downfall of civilizations.
It's a byproduct that I don't want to be near.
>>1163708
Nah
>>1163701
>he thinks Western civilization doesn't predate Christianity by more than half a millennium
Christianity is going the way of the Greek and Roman pantheons.
Don't feel bad, it had a pretty good run.
>>1159127
>The fuck are you talking about? /pol/ is the most militant "STEM major or nothing" board on 4chan.
Except when science disagrees with their views on race, lgbt stuff, etc. Then it's just "jewish lies".
Were you not here for that thread a day or two ago where /pol/acks were seriously denying the out-of-Africa theory?
>Catholics fuck little boys
This is what you are doing with that statement
>>1161743
>Crossposters have always crossposted. There's nothing new about that.
>But ask yourself, universally across all boards, what guarantees a thread derailment? Anything remotely /pol/ish or political. A political thread caters to pretty much everyone. To those that have genuine opinions, those that have "meme" opinions -- regurgitating the popular (factually incorrect) opinion from either the board itself or their home board, trolls who wish to troll former two and trolls who wish to troll the trolls.
It's almost like there's literally a "keep /pol in /pol/" rule or something.
>>1163740
>Christianity is going the way of the Greek and Roman pantheons.
But it won't, it'll survive by the South Americans and the Africans.
>>1163701
>So you want Godlessness and the fall of the west?
In a way yes to the first but I'm not really concerned about what other people believe and to the second I just said that I didn't want the fall of the west. I may think there is no objective morality, but also think morality is neccisary for society to function. the very fact that you are concerned about godlessness because of a possible fall of the west shows that it is not godlessness itself that is bad, but instead the negative effects you attribute to godlessness
>>1163765
So in other words, it'll become an irrelevant phenomena limited to people and places that couldn't compete in the modern world.
>>1163489
>Or because people on 4chan are getting older, graduating college, and finally getting around to looking into religion motivated from being fed up with their complete lack of knowledge about religion.
Are you implying 4chan doesn't get new users? If anything the average age of the 4chan userbase is probably lower today than it was 6+ years ago.
>>1163636
>mountains of evidence showing that specific religions are bullshit
There are mountains of evidence showing that specific drugs are bullshit but that doesn't disprove other drugs don't work.
>>1163636
>being this fedora
>>1163794
>So in other words, it'll become an irrelevant phenomena limited to people and places that couldn't compete in the modern world.
So Spain, Poland, Italy, Russia is irrelevant, no I don't give a shit about the fact I'm moving goalposts, but you know those places are religious as hell.
>>1163796
I agree, but I still have yet to find a religion that can be shown to be legitimate
>>1163819
Look, it's countries that are infested with fail.
Actually, Spain isn't that religious any more.
Italy is going the same direction.
And Russia sucks.
>>1163796
What the fuck does that have to do with religion?
>>1163832
>Actually, Spain isn't that religious any more.
Because godlessness and the liberals who want to ruin the west.
Italy is the same.
>>1163858
You realize there were Roman moralists around 400 AD who thought the same thing about Christianity.
Just let it happen bb
>>1163870
>Just let it happen bb
And let my religion die?
>>1163882
You might have noticed that there aren't a lot Egyptian or Sumerian gods being worshiped these days.
As human societies change, their gods do to. During the Axial age, you saw tribal polytheism replaced with more uniform, widely distributed belief systems such as the Abrahamic religions or Buddhism, as fractious tribal polities unified into nations.
During the Information Age, the trend seems to be away from organized religion to more private spirituality.
In the same way that areas that weren't touched by nation-states didn't adopt Axial age universalist religion as quickly, areas that haven't been touched as much by the information age won't reject it as quickly.
If you want your religion to survive, it must change, because the world is changing.
I'd honestly go with the Episcopalian approach. Don't get involved in politics too much, and keep the spiritual part of the religion confined to the actual congregation rather than trying to change society as a whole.
>>1163932
>If you want your religion to survive, it must change, because the world is changing.
The only thing that will change is the people who go, the people who are willing to die and fight for God.
>>1163943
The Old Testament and New Testament have a shitload of stuff in them.
Unless you're willing to commit to never mixing cotton and wool, there's no reason you should commit to gays or abortion past the point where it becomes a political liability.
I think the best strategy to survive in industrialized countries would be to emphasize the "render unto Caesar what is Caesars" and only attempt to change the behavior of your own congregation.
Nobody likes having some old guy in a funny hat try and make their life decisions for them, and that's something that turns a lot of people to atheism and agnosticism.
>>1163587
They were pretty anti region, they were certainly anti-Christianity and pro-atheist.
pick related, they use to have rage threads about stuff like this
>>1163980
I remember those kinda of rage threads against fundies, and now they sound like fundies themselves. Kek.
>>1163972
>there's no reason you should commit to gays or abortion past the point where it becomes a political liability.
>supporting homosexuals
>supporting women being whores who willingly corrupt there own bodies
>>1164014
>there
*their
>>1163972
>Unless you're willing to commit to never mixing cotton and wool,
I'll never get tired of seeing biblical illiterates post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBTpsVFhPPw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDQQ0U8FHAE&list=PLeXS0cAkuTPpJ6j3eH59WudJhJ4q1tpwH&index=30
>>1163980
That's trolling dude.
>>1164014
Support and oppose aren't the only options.
You could simply ignore the issue entirely and concentrate on drawing people to your own congregation and helping them once they get there.
That's what the successful churches seem to do.
Also, there's no real reason to take the biblical injunction against gays any more seriously than the biblical injunction against cotton/wool blends or the part where you take women captive and then marry them.
And there literally isn't any biblical injunction against abortion. The Catholic Church was fine with it for centuries.
It just isn't as important as the big question of whether people live Christian lives or not.
>>1164068
>And there literally isn't any biblical injunction against abortion. The Catholic Church was fine with it for centuries.
And now it isn't. Dogma changes and willingly killing a child is immoral.
>>1163453
Um, okay? You really didn't need to link me to that comment.
>>1164068
>That's what the successful churches seem to do.
Actually those churches are hemorrhaging numbers, while more traditional ones don't
>>1164077
>Dogma changes
You might want to continue to change along with it.
>willingly killing a child is immoral
A clump of cells with no neural activity doesn't have any more inherent rights than a sperm cell.
After all, both of them are capable of becoming a sentient being, if they're given a suitable host. Do you think every woman who has more than one period is a murderer?
>>1164068
>post with nothing of substance
>smug sense of superiority lace throughout
Go shitpost on leddit
>>1164098
>A clump of cells with no neural activity doesn't have any more inherent rights than a sperm cell.
You fucking listen and you fucking listen good, if you willingly support the murder of an unbaptized child and want his/her soul to go to Limbo, a place where the child will never meet God, then you're a sick fuck.
>Do you think every woman who has more than one period is a murderer?
No, because it's nature, and they aren't doing it for pleasure.
>>1164118
In all seriousness, why do you think that a fetus has a soul?
I can't find any biblical justification for this.
The position of the Catholic Church for a long time was that life began at the "quickening" when the little fucker started to kick, which is exactly where the Supreme Court put the line in Roe v. Wade.
>>1164098
Reminder that yes it does
http://www.secularprolife.org/
>>1164134
>In all seriousness, why do you think that a fetus has a soul?
Because it has one. I don't need to give you a fucking reason, it just has one.
>I can't find any biblical justification for this.
>Sola
>Scriptura
>Lmao
>>1164171
Why?
I understand that third trimester abortion is immoral, but I genuinely can't see a moral difference between a fertilized and unfertilized egg.
Neither of them can think or feel and neither of them can survive as an independent organism.
>>1164175
>Neither of them can think or feel and neither of them can survive as an independent organism.
Wholly irrelevant
At conception a fully unique individual human being is created
Any embryologist will affirm this
“Human life begins at fertilization, the process during which a male gamete or sperm (spermatozoo developmentn) unites with a female gamete or oocyte (ovum) to form a single cell called a zygote. This highly specialized, totipotent cell marked the beginning of each of us as a unique individual.” “A zygote is the beginning of a new human being (i.e., an embryo).”
Keith L. Moore, The Developing Human: Clinically Oriented Embryology, 7th edition. Philadelphia, PA: Saunders, 2003. pp. 16, 2.
>>1164173
>I don't need to give you a fucking reason, it just has one.
But why.
Why wouldn't, say, the food that the mother ate before conceiving have a soul?
After all, that's the same matter that would form the living human being.
The only difference is time, and organization.
And as long as women have more ovarian cycles than children, carrying one child to term will probably prevent another one from being born.
Why have a child when the mother doesn't want it if it prevents you from having a child that is born into a loving family and comfortably integrates into society.
In a related note, what if the abortion isn't for pleasure. There are still quite a few places in the world that don't allow abortion in the case of rape, or in the case of medical issues.
I'm not trying to troll, or even argue. I'm just a curious atheist.
>>1164199
>Why wouldn't, say, the food that the mother ate before conceiving have a soul?
An animal doesn't have a soul.
The point, atheist man, is that sex shouldn't be for pleasure, and killing a child just so you can skank it up is wrong.
>>1164210
Why would god create a creature with sexual impulses if he didn't want it to follow them.
I understand that Christianity tends to blame Satan for this, but humans literally can't reproduce without sex.
What if you have a South Pacific islander that has no idea what the bible is, but knows that getting his dick sucked improves his general outlook on life? Is that a sin? Who is harmed?
>>1164196
yeah, it's the beginning of the process of making a human being. no embryologist thinks that conception is when a soul is created, most probably don't believe in souls
>>1164222
>What if you have a South Pacific islander that has no idea what the bible is, but knows that getting his dick sucked improves his general outlook on life? Is that a sin? Who is harmed?
No one, because he's naive and never learned about Christ, he'll go to Limbo too, well that also depends if he was a good person. And it sounds like he was a degenerate.
>>1164228
Why is sexual activity outside of reproduction inherently sinful?
After all, most human environments have a finite carrying capacity. There is a physical limit to the number of children that can be born and survive to have children of their own.
I'd understand that it would be a sin if you were the tribe of Israel, and you desperately needed more little Juden to avoid getting wiped out, but if anything, the sexual mores seem to be reducing the net number of Christians, either by driving them away from the faith, or killing them with AIDS because lol no contraception and humans tend to break the rules sometimes.
>>1163764
I really don't know what you are trying to dispute here.
>>1164224
Nice try
That's the beginning of a human being
And I never mentioned souls
>>1164241
>Why is sexual activity outside of reproduction inherently sinful?
Because sex isn't for pleasure. If you think it is, then it's an immoral thought.
>>1164271
your premise that it is the beginning of a human being only matters if there is a soul and you implied it by saying that aborting a zygote would cause it to be in limbo. a soul being made is the only way you can justify there being a difference morally between killing a sperm and killing a zygote. it's nothing more than a clump of cells. it is fundamentally different from killing a baby
>>1164283
>Because sex isn't for pleasure.
the nerve endings on my dick say otherwise
>>1164283
That seems to be some circular reasoning.
Who is hurt?
The best explanation I can find here is "if Christians can only sex to make more babies, there will be more Christians."
Which was well and good in the early days of Christianity.
But these days, people in the industrialized world are more likely to simply leave the faith than abide by its sexual morality.
You might want to work on that if you want there to still be Christians 500 years from now.
>>1164329
>But these days, people in the industrialized world are more likely to simply leave the faith than abide by its sexual morality
Or it could turn out to be like Mexico, God-fearing people but the women are mostly trash.
>>1164337
Mexico is undergoing the same demographic patterns, just later because their economy is shit.
>>1164340
It isn't though.
>>1164347
>>1164357
I thought you meant religion wise.
>>1160105
Well, that episode did give me a fetish so maybe the christfags were right for once, for the wrong reasons
>>1157572
The method of "evolution" isn't related to the actual process at all either. It's more like metamorphosis.
>>1158913
Oh god, the day /pol/ takes over the minds of all white people is the day humanity goes fucking extinct.
>>1164405
What do you mean?
>>1163831
Look into Catholicism or the Orthodoxy
>>1164405
Welcome to the Trump presidency
>>1165313
>literally not wanting to make money and remove illegals
Protestants hate anything that shows any semblance of creativity or artfulness. Why do you think the most famous Protestant author is Joel Osteen? The only thing they enjoy is usury and praying 5 times a day while facing their beloved state of Israel in their MegaMcdonalds churches.
>>1165403
There are probably just as many protestants who think Joel Osteen's prosperity gospel is satanic as there are people that love him.
His books and preaching appeal to cafeteria christians who often don't go to church anyway.
>>1162361
or not... my mother is what you can call a " non-practicing catholic" her mother was very devout, just like father's mother and yet neither my mother nor my father - an edgy atheist - forced their points of view on my at any point of my life.
and at this point, given the option to find the "answers" by myself, i stand in the middle - neither a believer nor a non-believer - just someone humble enough to say i have no fucking idea. (even though i always loved to read and learn about religion, but not as a path to follow)
>>1157553
JK Rowling will say literally anything about her books if it gets more people on her dick
>>1165992
Of course, but they've become a minority among Obnoxius Moron crowd.
>>1165417
The Prosperity Gospel is not Biblical to begin with.
However, he does have a point regarding not using hell and brimstone preaching. You're basically threatening people with that kind of talk.
>>1164405
>The day white people actually grow some balls and stop taking shit from other races is the day humanity goes extinct.
No it's the day you go extinct you fucking race-traitor cuckold
>>1159875
don't cuck me Victoria
>>1165211
the foundations of christianity are dubious at best. No exodus, no United Monarchy under King David, and yet Jesus believed the stories of Moses and David, in fact we are to believe he was a descendant of David. and if we have no David or only David the tribal chieftan with only control over Judah or parts of it, how could the Messianic prophecies of restoring Israel to its former glory even be coherent?
>>1166023
>No exodus
>no United Monarchy under King David
Says who?
>>1161138
>He converted to Catholicism because of it.
KEK. Fundie dad must have thought that was worst than atheism or downright satanism.
>>1166044
Says absolute lack of evidence other than the bible.
>>1166023
>Jesus believed the stories of Moses and David, in fact we are to believe he was a descendant of David
This is little bit of misunderstanding.
When they say that Jesus was descendant of David, it means that he's Judean, you know, hebrew tribalism. The tribes had sort of "founding fathers", descendants of Abraham and the "X son of <"founding father">" was the way of identification somebody's tribal identity.
I mean if he had a legit claim to be legendary king's descendant, he wouldn't be the ~ middle class guy he was.
>>1162029
>witchcraft
>an Old Testament sin
Shiggy diggy
>>1166416
>When they say that Jesus was descendant of David, it means that he's Judean, you know, hebrew tribalism. The tribes had sort of "founding fathers", descendants of Abraham and the "X son of <"founding father">" was the way of identification somebody's tribal identity.
Just in case - David is claimed to be Judean too.
>>1166416
>Says absolute lack of evidence other than the bible.
3,000 years is a long time back and there's is evidence of a monarchy around the time of David and Solomon.
>>1166423
>3,000 years is a long time back and there's is evidence of a monarchy around the time of David and Solomon.
Check your sources again.
There is no evidence of monarchy around the time of David and Solomon. The conquest of Canaan is dated close to the Bronze age collapse and what supposedly succeed it - was their monarchy except there's no single archeological evidence of an organised monarchic state in Levant in this period.
If it ever existed it was like the African monarchies - they claimed to rule quite extensive territory but irl. their administration's reach ended on the area in nearest proximity of the capital.
I thought /pol/ isn't actually Christian in the true believer sense. They're just doing it for the social virtues and benefits or organized religion. Because people are morons who can't be controlled morally by anything else than omnipotent police.
>>1166428
>There is no evidence of monarchy around the time of David and Solomon
http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Rare-3000-year-old-King-David-era-seal-discovered-by-Temple-Mount-Sifting-Project-419024
>>1166443
Did you even read your own article? It's a seal. And it's the first of its kind ever found, so may not even be that. The only """"""connection"""""" is that it's from the supposed time of that monarchy, it's not proof of a monarchy, or if so, that the monarchs were those from the Bible, which was written long after X people lived and would no doubt be biased and exaggerated over time. Much like any folklore in history.
>>1157553
The fact that the celebrate Christmas always got me, every year.
>not being a Muslim
>>1164118
is Limbo back again? I thought they got rid of that.
>>1164316
>your premise that it is the beginning of a human being only matters if there is a soul
No because that wasn't me
>it's nothing more than a clump of cells
Retard. Every living organism from a blade of grass to you is just a clump of cells
>it is fundamentally different from killing a baby
It is not, because that is a fucking baby
>>1168346
It's either Limbo or Purgatory.
>>1168363
I'm not sure if I'm talking to a Catholic or not but...
Recent Catholic theological speculation tends to stress the hope, though not the certainty, that these infants may attain heaven instead of the supposed state of Limbo [of the Infants.]
http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/cti_documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20070419_un-baptised-infants_en.html#*
>>1164175
Do you fully grasp that if we had killed you as a fertilized egg, you would not exist?
Do you further understand that right now, you are a clump of cells?
>>1168381
If it's not certainty then I'm gonna roll with Limbo because it makes a better case for telling proddies who support abortion that the children will never meet God.
>Pokemon and Harry Potter are satanic.
>Capitalism is great and so are imperialist wars.
Americans, not even once.
>>1168346
Limbo has never been condemned
It has always been something you were allowed to believe in, but was never officially endorsed by the Church magesterium
>>1168363
Purgatory is fundamentally different than Limbo
Limbo, as conceived of by various Catholic theologians, was a place of perfect earthly pleasure, but still apart from God that would be given to those who it was thought couldn't enter into heaven (such as unbaptized babies for still having the stain of Original Sin)
Purgatory is a temporal intermediate place for those who are going to heaven, but still have the stain of sin on their soul (as per Revelation where it says nothing unclean can enter into heaven). In purgatory the people's souls are cleansed and those on earth pray for them, because it's most commonalty thought of as being rather unpleasant.
>>1168381
Well there's nothing really wrong in this post to correct
>>1157404
When's the last time this happened?
I literally haven't heard about them calling either satanic since they each came out, and that was in the late '90s.
>>1168410
>implying there's anything wrong with imperialism
>>1168417
No, I know what both places are. I'm just saying that it's either the dead children go to Heaven viva Purgatory or go to Limbo.
>>1168420
If you're Christian there's a lot of things wrong with imperialism.
>>1168439
>literally shitting on spreading the word of Christ to the unwashed savages
>>1168418
OP just woke up from a coma
> Harry Potter
> not a marxist agenda
Eh. The problem with protestants is they see all the shit they don't like and find stuff in the Bible to agree with their views.
Except when the Bible talks about wealth and usury being bad... Well they ignore that shit.
To be fair, Catholics sort of too except the Pope points out that its bad every now and then.
Orthodox are more based about it having setup their own financial systems to fit their faith.
>>1169188
>when people with no idea what they're talking about post
>>1169188
>wealth and usury being bad.
Go ahead and show us those verses champ.
>>1169188
>Orthodox
>good
>literally has no fruit to bear witness to God
Slavs and Greek. Just Slavs and Greeks.
>>1169207
Water and Oil. Salvation and Sanctification due to Water and Oil.
How they're not more ridiculed than the catholics is kind of ponderous.
>>1169213
You double-spacing idiot, if they're the "true" Church, why hasn't it spread as far as the Catholic Church?
>>1169219
Is spread the measure of holiness?
>>1169222
It's the measure of how many are saved. One spread by dealing with pagans (humble people) and the other dealt with moslems (snakes who bite venom)
