What can /his/ tell me about the Papal States?
>>1153398
The official land of the Papacy.
>>1153402
Any other questions, kiddo?
The Papacy literally conned its way into becoming a state
>>1153415
*tips*
Byzantines gave them the land
>>1153415
>Donation
>of
>Constantine
>>1153415
You mean rightfully fucked over the Byzantines.
>>1153468
And the pope being an exarch unjustly took it for himself
>>1153479
Where did Peter die again?
>>1153398
Why didn't they expand more?
>>1153471
You do realize that was a false document, right?
>>1153492
Oh they tried but in the end just kind of couldn't expand anymore because of the political situation
>>1153492
The other Italian states plus the HRE, France and later Spain
The last thing you want to give the person with the highest religious authority is political power
>>1153499
And what was Byzantium suppose to do?
>>1153516
Bitch a bit and be miserable about their lost empire
>>1153520
So do nothing? What a pathetic state, be glad there was no blood over the land.
>>1153485
Mexico?
>>1153534
No you idiot, Rome. He died in Rome.
>>1153485
He dropped dead at the hospital's door, visiting his hospitalised godchild
RIP, still don't know what really happened there
>>1153539
pretty sure Peter founded Mexico city after he saw an eagle with Jesus's face land on a rock
>>1153565
No that was just a mexican.
>>1153565
Yeah jesus finally chased down the snake of Eden and bit his head off
>>1153569
Peter isn't mexican you idiot, he was Venetian
>>1153575
We aren't talking about Peter though.
>>1153590
What's a Cephas?
>>1153597
That's Peter, Peter died in Rome. What the hell is going on in this thread?
>>1153609
Memes
>>1153609
why are Romaboos trying to steal from Mexican history?
>>1153615
>Mexican
>History
>>1153609
>Peter died in Rome.
Pretty sure he died in Russia...
>>1153616
>history
>his-story
>neglecting her-story
sexist
>>1153619
yeah, a province of Mexico
>>1153627
No gf for you
>>1153638
>wanting a gf
>not having a 2d waifu
>>1153616
Romaboos have been butthurt ever since we destroyed them at the Alamo
>>1153646
What?
>>1153652
>knowing nothing about the Punic Wars
>>1153671
Rome only won because they stole Santa Anna's leg
>>1153681
But Rome isn't America though, it's in Italy.
>>1153687
neither is mexico, retard
>>1153687
US has a Syracuse, a Paris, a "New" York pretty sure they have a Rome somewhere
>>1153694
There's an Athens near me actually. Americans are terrible at naming
>>1153700
not my fault you are geographically illiterate
>>1153700
Yeah, it's actually kinda neat, this city was called this way because it too was settled on seven hills
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rome,_Georgia
>>1153707
I know Mexico is in Mexico, why the fuck are we even having this discussion? Peter died in Rome, and ergo that is the spot for the Vicar of Christ. Ergo with that the Vicar of Christ sits there and can do whatever.
>>1153713
But what the fuck does that have to do with Mexico pal?
>>1153713
what? the Vicar of Christ is in Port du Prince
>>1153734
>search mexico
>11 results
We clearly were, stop trying to twist this around
>>1153734
Yep, Peter died of syphilis in Port du Prince
>>1153749
Mexico is the Papal State!
>>1153749
Whatever, I'm going to sleep
>>1153753
No it isn't!
>>1153754
sweet dreams, sweet Prince du Port
>>1153755
Are you literally retarded? take a class in basic world history for christ's sake
>>1153762
Are you? Am I being rused? All I wanted to do was have a nice conversation about why Byzantium sucks.
>>1153765
No fuck off back to Mexico
>>1153780
But I'm white.
>>1153783
Sure José
>>1153765
>Am I being rused?
Ironic given that you are clearly pretending to be retarded.
>>1153792
>said the Mexican trying to bring up Mexico in a thread that's not about Mexico
>>1153798
no one in the modern era is mexican, retard. Mexico hasn't been a state for 400 years
>>1153810
I. Goddammit I just wanted to talk about the Papal States.
>>1153816
but we are. Mexico is the Papal State. what don't you understand?
>>1153816
Then stop bringing up Mexico
>>1153831
just look at OP's pic. that's Mexico
>>1153835
No it's not.
>>1153838
Proof?
>>1153847
Mexico is thicker.
>>1153848
Mexico is thicker than the Papal State? But Mexico is the Papal State
>>1153857
Proof
>>1153859
I already told you. Look at OP's pic. it clearly says "Papal States". that's Mexico
>>1153869
But that land connected to it is right next to Swiss alps.
>>1153872
Yeah. Mexico is close to the Alps
>>1153879
No it's not!
>>1153881
Proof?
>>1153884
Mexico is in North America, right under the US.
>>1153499
Forged wasn't taken to mean false in medieval understanding. Many legitimate documents were forged, having basis in truth. It was the subject that mattered, not the credibility of the "author". According to the legend, Constantine had contracted a severe case of leprosy that was miraculously cured by the intercession of Pope Sylvester I and decided to reward the pontiff with half the empire.
>>1153886
Lies. the Holy Spirit allows me to decern between truth and lies. everything you post reeks of demonic influences
>>1153893
Stop bullying me
>>1153889
>legitimizing a legend by forging a document that proves it
yeah that's still lying
>>1153904
Okay then wise ass, what's the "Byzantine" empire gonna do about it?
>>1153913
nothing. I don't give a shit about your doctrinal disputes. I just can't believe you tried so hard to justify the forging of a document. is this the same logic you apply to the Pseudo-Pauline epistles? does it not matter that Paul didn't write them?
>>1153921
If you don't care, why bitch about it? What's done is done and you should wash your hands from the situation.
Who gives a fuck about the papalcy.
What a bunch of fucking faggots.
Touching the kids! Touching the kids!!!
Lol you fucking catholic scum suckers.
90% of all child rape cases since 1948 have been by the catholic clergy you sick fucks.
Sure is plebbit in here
>>1153933
>protestant namefaggery
>>1153929
I'm interested in church history, not in who is "correct". I'm bitching about it because you actually tried to justify someone forging a document just because the content of it came from a legend. I mean my god, I am just amazed the lengths you went to to defend such a thing
>>1153904
If the legend were true or not, who knows? The forger believed it, and the donation was accepted. It may seem deceptive in the modern age, but forgeries were not always so scandalous.
>>1153933
>fafa
faggot faggot?
>>1153821
Wtf is happening and why have I followed the conversation this far? Are you mentally deficient sir?
>>1153948
>It may seem deceptive in the modern age
but it literally was deceptive. the forger probably did believe it but that isn't what matters. the document was forged to convince others that this was true and to delegitimize the Orthodox Church. He was trying to make his case stronger than it actually was. that is deception. just because I think someone is a murderer doesn't mean I should plant a bloodied knife on them
>>1153944
Okay, let me put it in layman terms. Would you rather have the Church say: "Fuck off I'm taking your land" or "Hey you sold me it technically so I'm just reaping what you gave me."
>>1153982
if they think the second is true then go ahead and say that. I have no issue there. the issue is when they actually fucking lie by forging a document to strengthen their case
>>1153989
It's not lying if it's based off of half-truths.
>>1153998
the act of forging a document is lying in and of itself
>>1154000
They still had the document of saying that they could own it.
It's still not lying.
>>1153989
If the lie is in that they are forging a document written by someone who isn't the actual author, I will say again the fact that it was a forged document troubled few people (the forgery was exposed at the end of the tenth century, but had been suspected from the start).
>>1154007
then use that document. forging another document to strengthen their case is still lying
>>1154017
Then fuck it, it's lying and they prospered. They were forgiven.
>>1154010
why should I care what people's opinions about it were? how exactly is that relevant at all?
>this is lying
>nah nah, nobody really cared
the fuck?
>>1154020
was that so hard? why did you have to try to squirm out of it being a lie?
>>1154023
To create a false document was perfectly acceptable, so long as it was done to promote a legitimate claim. Few people cared.
>>1154027
No, because I'm not in the mood to get bullied again.
>>1154031
ah, so the ends justify the means. so long as people believe something is true it is ok for them to try to convince others of that claim by producing false evidence. and this is how we get Deuteronomy, Enoch, 2/3's of Isaiah, the Gospel of John and the Pseudo-Pauline epistles
>>1154034
you're the same person who got baited so long about Mexico? I have a hard time believing you are over 18
>>1154052
>you're the same person who got baited so long about Mexico
No, I'm the one that kept the thread alive until actual discussion happened.
>>1154044
I'm not saying you can't have your own moral objections to the Donation. I'm just telling you it was common practice to forge documents. The Pseudo-Isidorian decretals were forgeries, and they were the driving force for Church reforms in the high-Medieval age.
>>1154061
>implying the argument over Mexico wasn't real discussion
>>1154071
>implying it was
>>1154066
>I'm just telling you it was common practice to forge documents.
yeah, I'm well aware of this due to the documents I've mentioned. but it is a scummy thing to do, especially if you believe your god has set moral absolutes that include lying. I believe there's a saying that a good tree bears good fruit? surely the Truth shouldn't need to rely on lies. don't the muslims have some thing saying it's ok to lie to outsiders in order to convert them which they get attacked on all the time? isn't this hypocrisy then?
what the fuck happened this is such a good topic for a thread and everyone just shat on it.
>119 replies
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>>1153398
Fucking papal faggots. There is a historical record that over 90% of all child rape cases since 1948 have been perpetrated by the catholics. You fucking sick fucks!
