What are the differences between the Eastern Catholics and the western Catholics?
What is the history that wedged the two apart (if there is any)?
What theological differences are there?
Is Eastern Catholicism just orthodox Christianity under the Pope?
>>1152841
Eastern isn't in Latin, meaning it isn't western.
>>1152851
And what of the theological differences? Whilst the Orthodox have the concept of theosis do the eastern Catholics have the same views?m
>>1152877
It's just the same Catholic Church with some difference.
>>1152893
What are the differences then? I heard that Eastern Catholics reject Original sin for example.
>>1152935
Well Eastern let's priests get married, Western can't. It's pretty much some of the Orthodox Church slithering back to Catholics.
>>1152935
What are the differences between two legs on the same statue?
>>1152950
One's left and the other is right.
>>1152956
Bad example then.
Neither one of these two institutions is "right" and they're both going to get "left".
>>1152950
They're nonsuperimposable.
>>1152841
Basically they are eastern churches in full communion with Rome, which means they except all Roman dogmas, but their liturgy is more like Orthodox liturgy.
>>1152841
There are none. Babylon Paganism is Babylon Paganism.
>>1153257
>shitposting
Eastern Catholics, for one thing, don't believe in Purgatory.
Nothing wedges them apart, they're in full communion.
>>1152935
they accept Catholic dogma on its own terms, but some (Melkites for example, which are the most byzantine of the East) prefer their own theology and terms. But they dont go as far as to deny the doctrine
>>1152841
If you go to an Eastern Catholic church they'll look like an Eastern orthodox one and follow the Orthodox rite of Divine Liturgy
Theologically they're exactly the same as western rite Catholics
Eastern Catholics are simply Orthodox who accept the authority of the Pope.
There'll be of course some Latinization here and there amongst them despite their theological closeness to the East.
>>1153401
>Eastern Catholics, for one thing, don't believe in Purgatory.
>Nothing wedges them apart, they're in full communion.
Yet they don't believe in Purgatory apparently?
Touching the kids! Touching the kids!!!
Lol you fucking catholic scum suckers.
90% of all child rape cases since 1948 have been by the catholic clergy you sick fucks.
>>1152841
Eastern Catholics and Western (Or Latin) Catholics are all in communion with the Pope in Rome
There are 23 Eastern Catholic Churches, some are older than others. They follow various Eastern rite liturgies (For instance, Ukranian Greek or Ruthenian Catholics follow the Eastern Orthodox Byzantine rite, Coptic Catholics follow the same rite as regular Copts, Ethiopian Catholics follow the same rite as Ethiopian Orthodox, Armenian Catholics follow the same rite as Armenian Orthodox, etc.) however some (like the Maronite Church) are more heavily influenced by Latin traditions.
Some of them have their own Patriarchs (Major Archbishops like in the case of the Ukrainian Greek Catholic Church for instance are Patriarchs, but they're called Major Archbishops to avoid bad relations with the Eastern Orthodox Patriarch)
Theologically they tend to use more Eastern Orthodox language. For instance you aren't going to hear about Eastern Catholics talking about Purgatory or venial vs. mortal sins or things like that.
>>1153885
Catholics and Orthodox both believe praying for the dead who are in an intermediate state, that's all that's really "required" when it comes to Purgatory. Latins use purgatorial language while Eastern Christians have a variety of opinions.
>>1152841
Eastern Catholics are angry, depressed alcoholics.
Western Catholics are basically atheists who do a lot of fucking, commit and accept adultery, and occasionally go to church.
>>1153928
Go drink antifreeze.
>>1153885
They RCC is ecumenicist, having different dogmas doesn't matter to them so long as you accept the Pope's authority.
>>1154082
They're still in communion and they don't throw a fuss so it doesn't really matter.
>>1154082
Its not heresy unless a dogma is being violated, and the church gives theologians a good deal of leeway in terms of interpretation
>>1154082
Yes, well while the Orthodox considered "hetrodoxoy" just another term for "heresy", the RCC see hetrodoxy as no worse than the Orthodox see theologoumena. Vatican II, especially Unitatis redintegratio, Lumen gentium and Nostra aetate. Although in fact the situation existed long before then, but to give you an idea of the drastic changes of Vatican II
>The Church regards with esteem also the Moslems. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in Himself; merciful and all- powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth,(5) who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even His inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. Though they do not acknowledge Jesus as God, they revere Him as a prophet. They also honor Mary, His virgin Mother; at times they even call on her with devotion. In addition, they await the day of judgment when God will render their deserts to all those who have been raised up from the dead. Finally, they value the moral life and worship God especially through prayer, almsgiving and fasting.
-Nostra aetate
>But the plan of salvation also includes those who acknowledge the Creator. In the first place amongst these there are the Muslims, who, professing to hold the faith of Abraham, along with us adore the one and merciful God, who on the last day will judge mankind.
-Lumen gentium
>>1154102
Indeed, the Church says she understands dogma better today than the Church Fathers did
>>1154116
>Roman Catholicism is monolithic
Pope Emeritus Benedict decried Vatican II, so I don't think it's right of you to represent Jesuit theology as speaking for your entire Church
>>1154119
Vatican II has no dogma change you idiot.
>>1154119
I left the church, I just understand Catholic legalize. "There is no salvation outside the church": is still Catholic dogma. They let theologians debate exactly what it means to be "outside" the church.Some theologians hold to things like the secret Christian doctrine. But to actually deny the dogma would carry an automatic excommunication
But for instance the statement you gave about Muslims cannot be read as saying Muslims are saved, because they do not state that plainly.
>>1154082
Ignore what he says
Constantine only speaks bullshit about Catholicism
His cherry picking garbage isn't something worth acknowledging, and he's better off filtered
>>1154149
>not attacking him for doing it
>>1154140
>the terms are still the same, they can just change their meaning to whatever they want
Isn't this a very Jewish way of doing things? The idea that just the letter of the law is immutable, but the substance is mutable?
>>1153928
Reminder:
>Sue Widemark A Penn State historian, Philip Jenkins, has done in-depth research of pedophilia and sexual abuse among the clergy and has come up with some rather eye opening facts (Pedophiles and Priests, Anatomy of a Crisis, Oxford University Press, 1996, Paperback edition, 2001). It seems that while .2 to 1.7 percent of Catholic clergy have been guilty of pedophilia (or sexual abuse particularly of boys, p. 80-82), a whopping 10 percent of Protestant ministers have been found guilty of sexual misconduct with a 2 or 3 percent pedophilia rate (p. 50-52).
>This is all the more interesting, notes Jenkins, since there has been NO media term "Pastor Pedophilia" coined at all! Jenkins theorizes that the media, proving the 'point' of the 'necessity' of sexual promiscuity, overemphasizes any instance of pedophilia found among the Catholic clergy since it can use this to criticize the entire idea of celibacy. But it is interesting that the NON Celibate Protestant ministers have a MUCH GREATER problem with it than the celibate Catholic priests!
>Jenkins' research was based on several highly respected studies and statistics. He points out that whereas sexual misconduct has always been a problem, among Catholic and non-Catholic clergy as well as among the general populace, what is new now is that the 'problem' of priest sexual abuse, constructed by the media as a result of a 'moral panic' occurring in the mid-1980's.
http://www.catholic-convert.com/wp-content/uploads/SexInProtestantChurches.pdf
>>1154202
I'm pretty sure it wasn't the abuse that scandalized everyone, it was the cover ups and musical chairs with the priests, as well as Pope John Paul II being close buddies with one of the top offenders, and refusing to have him investigated despite Ratzinger pressuring him to. And all sorts of priests being known pedophiles and abusers, and people in the church saying they need to not be priests, but the church saying, "No, we've reformed them, they're good to go now."
The real evil of the media here is crucifying Pope Benedict, who easily did more than anyone else in the Church to investigate and root out the problem. But he took the blame because he's conservative, and so he had to resign.
>>1154217
I know, but when proddies bring this stuff up it's pure hypocrisy.
>>1154234
They have damnable sexual conduct, but their faith is stronger so they got it where it counts :^)
>>1152935
Melkites use Greek while Maronites use Arabic in their rites no matter where they are
>>1154202
>A Penn State historian
hue
>>1154240
...too bad their faith without works is dead.
You sick motherfuckers. Over 90% of all child rape cases since 1948 have been perpetrated by the catholics. You sick fucks! Execute all catholic faggots.
>>1154809
Alarmist fucks, throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
>>1152967
>Proddyposting
>>1154809
>pulling percentages out of your ass
>>1152841
>Is Eastern Catholicism just orthodox Christianity under the Pope?
I think yes. They believe what EE believe but recognize the pope and he accepts them.
So basically the pope recognizes EE theology and any arguments catholics have against EE can go straight to the trash.
>>1156930
No they except all Catholic dogma, at least nominally.
>>1156930
>I think yes
This is wrong
Theologically they're the same as western Catholicism
They just adhere to Eastern rite cultural traditions (priests being allowed to marry before entering the priesthood, which has always been a matter of discipline rather than faith, the eastern divine liturgy, etc.)
How many Eastern Rite churches are there in the US?
