Who started it?
>>1152264
Serbia
>>1152264
Austria-Hungary
>>1152264
Russia
France
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Social darwinists in all countries who thought war was healthy for humanity.
Gavrilo Princip
>>1152264
Great Britain
>>1152293
What? How?
>>1152264
Denmark
Gavillo
>>1152264
Germany, they admitted it in the Versailles Treaty.
>>1152302
They made Belgium a thing.
>>1152327
Wasn't Belgium already exploiting the congo for 50+ years when WW1 broke out?
>>1152314
Why have the German people always tried to destroy Europe?
>>1152333
Yeah, they were almost so bad that they've overshadowed Herero and Namaqua genocide.
>>1152314
This.
The Huns were definitely responsible.
Jews
>>1152383
This x6,000,000
>>1152264
This one guy's fursona
God I wish I saved that pic
>>1152383
explain
honestly i understand the huge influence jews had on the outcome but how on earth did they start it
Russia or the Turks. Preferably both.
It is because of Pseudo-Slavic Mongols that Balkanites were free to cause trouble; it is also because of weakness on the part of Kebab-scum that said Mongols were able to liberate their Balkan friends. In the absence of direct Kebab, Austrian, or Russian rule, the Balkanites were always going to piss in everyone's cereal.
>>1152264
The Jacobins
>>1152264
Austria. Have any if you people saying Serbia ever read the ultimatum? It's ridiculous and makes it obvious they wanted war.
>>1152418
Serbia deserved war. Alexander should've listened to best cousin Bill when he was told to back the fuck off. Letting Austria annex, or at least puppet, the Serbs was the right thing to do.
>>1152418
And Germany is partry responsible because they fully backed Austria and invaded belgium, a neutral country. Too be fair I wouldn't be suprised if France had joined the war anyway because of their hatred of Germany
>>1152264
Austria-Hungary started the war, but such a war was inevitable because of Wilhelm's autism.
If Germany continued with Bismarck's policy there would be no world war.
>>1152424
The Russians are responsible. They should´ve never joined the war.
>>1152424
Maybe I need to read into it more, buthe from my understanding Austria was looking for a fight
>>1152432
They had too, they completely supported their Slavic brothers
>>1152424
>Serbia deserved war
Why?
Serbia did everything it could to avoid the war.
The officers who were implemented in the assassination were quietly judged for treason and executed in 1917. The same group of officers was causing trouble for the Serbian government for a while. They killed the Serbian king and queen in 1903.
>>1152459
>Serbia did everything it could to avoid the war.
Except not funding slavic terrorist groups.
>>1152459
>They killed the Serbian king and queen in 1903.
The new King was one of them.
The old monarchs were friendly and compliant with Austria, as had been the agreement with Russia that Serbia was Austria's sphere and Bulgaria was Russia's. But Serbs are Russophilic bastards and wanted to align with Russia; hell, they even floated the idea of becoming a part of Russia after the dissolution of Yugoslavia. That said, their Pan-Slavism doesn't extend beyond their own self-interest, as we saw when they cucked Bulgaria in the Balkan War(s) and swung the Bulgars into the German camp.
>>1152437
Alexander was the Russian Tsar - when Russia began mobilization, which took them a while, Kaiser Wilhelm sent him a telegram telling him to back down and not make things worse. France (and Britain) then reassured him that this was the best course of action.
>>1152275
This.
The Habsburgs have caused every bad thing to happen in Europe ever.
>>1152481
Read my post.
>The officers who were implemented in the assassination were quietly judged for treason and executed in 1917. The same group of officers was causing trouble for the Serbian government for a while. They killed the Serbian king and queen in 1903
>>1152486
No.
Alexander Obrenovic was a manchild who changed his allegiance on a whim.
His father was pro Austrian.
Peter Karadjordjevic had nothing to do with the black hand, but they had way too much influence for him to get rid of them. He was pro French tho.
Serbia was pretty much under Austrian influence between 1878 and 1906, with shit hitting the fan in 1908 because Austria straight up annexed Bosnia.
Best way to put it was that Russia was expanding, wanted to protect their slav brethren and also secure ports in the black sea. This totally pissed off the ottomns, who allied with Germany and Autsria-hungary. Germany totally underestimated how big an issue this war was, and the Kaiser wrote a blank check to austria, then went on vacation for a few weeks. France and Britain and Russia were all scared shitless of Germany and Germanic imperialism so they had formed the triple entente prior to this.
Basically it was Europe looking for an excuse to put Germany down before they became the new superpower. Which, man, were they ever gonna be. It was basically "dogpile on the new kid so he knows his place", and Germany *still* did very well. If it wasn't for the Americans there probably could have been white peace.
>>1152486
>Alexander was the Russian Tsar - when Russia began mobilization, which took them a while
>Alexander was the Russian Tsar
No. Just... fucking no.
>>1152780
>disregarding the perfidious albion
>>1152264
Franz-Joseph and Conrad Von Hotzendörf.
>>1152264
The french revolution
>>1152314
They were forced to sign a lie
As a German, I cant help but to feel that it was our fault.
Without us backing them, Austria would have never started a war with Serbia
>>1152264
Germany had delusions of empire and got too big for it's britches
Everyone wanted it, France, Germany, Austro-Hungary and Russia in particular. They were just waiting for some dumb excuse.
>>1152264
>Who started it?
Germany for violating the 1839 London treaty, Belgium didn't invade itself.
>>1152914
I don't think any of the people whiteknighting Germany on 4chan are actual Germans.
>>1152933
Whats wrong with becoming an empire? Are France and England evil because they were ones at the time?
>>1152264
Jew Bankers.
>>1152327
>Why are you arresting me for trespassing? You should arrest the owner of the property instead!
The reason for the whole thing was that it was just too much effort not to have a war.
You see Baldrick in order to prevent war in europe two superblocks developed. Us, the russians and the french on one side and the germans and austrians on the other.
The idea was to have two vast opposing armies, each acting as the others deterrent.
That way there could never be a war.
You see, there was a tiny flaw in the plan.
It was bollocks.
>>1153104
War's a horrid thing
So I sing, sing, sing
Ding-a-ling-a-ling
>>1153023
True.
>>1152264
Germany, Austria-Hungary, Russia and France.
>>1152335
Its the only way to prevent them from destroying themselves.
>>1152264
Austria-Hungary thought it would be cool and edgy to fuck with the Slavs. Russia said don't keep fucking with the Slavs. Germany said yo we got your back son but best not fuck with those Slavs. Austria then fucked with the Slavs. Following this everybody thought it best to have a big fist fight for 5 years to resolve what was clearly Austria-Hungary clearly wanting to just, finally commit suicide.
>>1152266
Russia
>>1152314
nice bait
Daily reminder that Russia and Serbia had no treaty with each other and Russia joining the war was completely uncalled for and is absolutely the reason it became a world war.
If Russia hadn't joined it would have been confined to being a minor squabble in some tiny balkan backwater that ended in Serbia's annexation and best empire would still exist.
>>1153995
Austria-Hungary was mostly Slavs.
>>1154068
t. vladislav mijlovic
>>1152264
Satan.
Crazy to think that Austria and Hungary were once relevant.
How hilarious is it that Austria-Hungary dragged Germany into the war, were generally incompetent during the war forcing the Germans to do the heavy lifting, and tried to negotiate a separate peace with the Allies behind Germany's back.
The Kaiser should have just laughed in the Austro-Hungarian ambassador's face when he heard the news that Franz Ferdinand got his ass murked.
>>1154467
Considering the fact that there wouldn't have been a war if Germany hadn't pushed Austria-Hungary to demand as much as it wanted, and actively desired the war to happen then so Russia couldn't get any more modernized? Not funny at all since you present a false view of the actual history
>>1154467
>Austria-Hungary dragged Germany into the war
You have literally no idea what you're talking about. Get the fuck off /his/ and read a fucking book.
>>1154475
>implying Austria-Hungary had to be pushed
>implying everyone didn't want war
>>1154068
Why Falkenhayn?
Austria started it
It's Germany's fault it got so big
>>1152264
I started it
>>1152264
Nobody
that's why its called the Great War
It was the accumulation of 500 years of European rivalries
>>1154068
imo should include Franz Ferdinand in tried to stop it
and Von Hindenburg should be included in dindu-tier for completeness's sake
>>1154733
>>1154068
Kaiser Wilhelm also shouldn't been in that tier.....In his memoirs, he makes it perfectly clear how Bismark deserves a lot of blame.
It was Bismark who promoted the idea that Germans need to expand on the continent, and re-unify with Poland and Austria; versus Wilhelm who insisted on naval expansion (but the British navy would not let him)
In fact, during the Wilhelmine Period, it was customary for boys to dress as sailors and were impressed at an early age with the Navy’s aura and prestige.
It was also Bismark who loved to "juggle" alliances.
Take with that what you will.
>>1152314
>they admitted it in the Versailles Treaty.
they (or rather the treaty) did no such thing
As for who started the war, that is a question of semantics and definitions - is the A-H shelling of Belgrade the start of the war? Then obviously A-H started it.
The question of responsibility for escalating the crisis into a war is a more interesting one. Germany then comes into play quite heavily, but also the lesser but still important role of Russia cannot be ignored.
>>1153023
>France
>wanting war during the July Crisis
uh huh
>>1154475
>the Germany wanted war meme
Germany did everything in his power to avoid WW1, a two front war was the biggest fear for the empire since its unification, backing Austria in an almost domestic issue had nothing to do with Russia going nuts and dragging the whole world to war.
>>1154880
>Germany did everything in his power to avoid WW1
why did they give the blank check to austria then?
why did they fuck up when responding to the Russian reply to their ultimatum by handing over two sets of responses - BOTH of which meant war (as in regardless of the russian reply)?
why did they invade neutral belgium then?
why did they attack france despite her overt attempts at non escalation?
why did they arrive at the conclusion that a war with russia was in their best interest sooner or later already in 1912?
why did their chief leaders actively call for war with russia during the july crisis?
>>1152292
My nigger
>>1152481
Political allegiance of officers doesn't mean governmental compliance. Saying this through, the definite link between Narodna Odbrana and later Ujedinjenje ili smrt and The New Radical party introduced in the post '03 constitutional era should be mentioned more. It was The New Radicals who became the modern Radical Party who caused so much shit in Yugoslavia.
Austria who happen to be German.
>>1152264
Kaiser Wilhelm II
Just him, not even Germany as a whole. His moronic and childish dreams of granduer set his nation on all the paths to failure. Had he paid more attention to Bismark instead of feeling threatened by his success, Germany would have been able to keep the Entente from forming and the empire would have kept on a track to peace. The relationship between his country and England was effectively demolished by the construction of a fleet that fought one indecisive battle and was then skuttled. In addition he was a huge cuck that the rest of Europe's royalty disliked because he was a whiny bitch. He could have been an upstanding representative of his subjects that promoted peace in the face to face meetings of Europe's leadership but insted left a bad taste in all their mouths about Germany.
Seriously fuck this guy
>>1154867
French general staff at the time was obsessed with offensive doctrine, soldiers weren't even equipped with basic "defensive" tools like trenching spades. The very word "defense" was litterary banned. All they wanted was revenge for 1870.
>>1157300
Pretty much this actually.
/thread.
Aside from techinality, it's pretty simplistic to say that one single person or nation started the war.
With Germany and Italy trying to compete with the larger colonists Britain and France, Russia trying to get a hold of the balkans by fucking it up as best as they can, Ottomans trying to bring back their glory days by the conquerer mindset that was out of date 4 centuries ago, "minorities" claiming indepence left and righ and many more old rivalries coming up to a boiling point...
It's safe to say that the world just collapsed in on itself. You looking for a definition of the phrase "utter madness", you look up the great war.
At least WW2 had a direction. It's the allies or Germany. (Though that got thrown out the window as well with Soviets and Allies racing to Berlin).
WW1, it's more like everyone's trying to stab each other in the back while profiting the maximum they can.
Serbia.
>>1154733
What the fuck is this map supposed to be?
Anime
>>1157541
>All they wanted was revenge for 1870.
No. You can start by reading the July Crisis article on wikipedia to give yourself a basic overview of the issue.
>>1158156
16th century Europe. Ottoman map. Get better at history, senpai.
>>1158345
