Tell me about the Tatars
I know they were Mongolian raiders who swept across Eastern Europe somewhere around the 1400's, but what was their lifestyle like? What equipment did they use, and what dynamics were there between them and other Mongolian and Asian groups at the time?
What did they do when they weren't busy fucking over Russia, Ukraine, and Poland?
>>1147225
>People who use Mongol as a shorthand for Central Asian peoples.
Fucking disgusting.
Also the Tatar were Turkic.
Tartar is more a term for anybody turko-mongolic from the Eurasian steppes to separate them from the euros (like celt ob scyth for the Romans and greek) than one concret group of people.
>>1147261
Actual Tatar =/= Historical usage of Tartar.
Their sauce goes really well with fish sticks.
"Tatars" is a catch-all term for all rather diverse groups and tribes that inhabit Russia, Siberia and Europe united by turkic language which is separate from tribes that eventually formed mongol nation.
Mongols and tatars weren't a nation, more like a confederation of various (warring) tribes, it took Genghiz Khan to unite them all.
They wuz dudes
They aren't a single people.
Kazan Tatars for example are genetically pretty much half Russian, civilized and liberally muslim (many of them even drink alcohol). Crimean Tatars on the other hand are literally Turkish goatfuckers.
Crimean Tatars were mostly descendents of Kipchaks, Cumans, Pechenegs and Khazars (before that Sarmatians and Scythians) heavily mixed with Slav and Greek captives. Not mostly Mongol
As most people in the thread have pointed out from different perspectives, the term "Tatar" is pretty difficult to define.
Originally, the name "Tatar" did refer to a Mongol tribal confederation in the East of the Mongolian Plateau. The Tatars were subjugated by Temujin during his days before uniting the Mongols in a joint operation with the Kereits, enjoying backing from the Jin dynasty who wanted Tatar raids on their lands to end.
The Tatars appear again during Temujins rule as Genghis Khan as one of the united Mongol tribes.
To understand why the term "Tatar" jumped from a relatively small Mongol population to several large, Turkic peoples, you have to realize that the word "Tatar" itself more or less became a meme in Europe. When Europeans heard of the "Tatar" in the Mongol horde, the word conjured up association with "Tartarus", the ancient Greek Hell. As the Mongols were already associated with apocalyptic tales such as those of Gog and Magog and the Red Jews, the term was bastardized to "Tartars" (Tartari) and subsequently applied to all Central Asian invaders in the Mongol polities. It was essentially the Medieval European equivalent of "kebab".
In their conquest of the Western Steppes, the Mongols swept up large population of nomadic raiding peoples that the khans subsumed into their empire. Most of those peoples were Turkics, chief among them the Kipchaks and Cumans, who had established diplomatic relations (sometimes better, sometimes worse) with the Russians, and were known to them as "Polovtsi".
As the western khanates (the Golden Horde of Batu, the White Horde of Shiban, the Nogai Horde of Nogai etc.) were established, they were so on the backs of a overwhelmingly Turkic population of tribes pushed westward by the Mongols and already present in the area before them. The Mongol princes intermarried with local Turkics, and thus the culture and ethnicity of these khanates became more and more a Turko-Mongol mix (really, mostly Turkic).
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>>1153238
The Golden Horde was succeeded by four khanates: the Crimean Khanate, the Nogai Khanate, the Astrakhan Khanate and the Kazan Khanate.
The Crimean Khanate and the Kazan Khanate are the centers of ethnogenesis for the Crimean and Volga Tatars (of which "Kazan Tatar" is a subgroup), respectively.
Astrakhan Tatars also exist to this day, but are largely culturally indistinguishable from Volga Tatars because of historical processes of assimilation and simple cultural diffusion.
I don't know much about the Nogais, but I believe that most of them live around the North Caucasus and some in Kazakhstan. Meanwhile, the longest independent holdout was a successor to the White Horde, known as the Khanate of Sibir, which was eventually conquered by the Russians and gave its name to North Asia as "Siberia" - a remnant population of Siberian Tatars with significant Ugrian admixture also exists.
tl;dr: originally referred to one of the original Mongol confederations pre-Khamag Mongol unification, nowadays refers to Turkic peoples (mostly Kipchak Turkic-speakers) who underwent ethnogenesis and nation-building processes under Mongol rule.
t. Mongol pro
>>1153315
>Nogay horde
Just one thing I gotta know, what was the relationship between the Khanates after Batu's death? Did they get along, did they fight for turf, did they pay homage to the Yuan dynasty?
>>1153348
Everything went to shit when Berke (Golden Horde) converted to Islam around the same time that Hulagu (Ilkhanate) was spliting the Abbasid Caliphate in half with his big horse cock. Hulagu was sympathetic towards Christians, with both his mom (the Lady Sorghaghtani) and his wife the Doquz Khatun being Nestorian Christians, while Berke and his court had converted to Islam.
What followed was a war between Berke and Hulagu, as Berke wished to intervene on behalf of the Muslims in Mesopotamia, and also motivated by long-standing power struggles coming to the forefront. Around the same time, Kublai Khan and Arik Boqe, were fighting the so-called Toluid Civil War for the title of Great Khan, and Hulagu and Berke each supported different branches of the Toluid line. This was essentially the end of Mongol unity and the consequence was the end of a common Mongol imperial agenda or movement.
>>1153384
>>1153315
>>1153238
thank you mongol pro for your in-depth explanation.
