Tell me about the Huns.
>>1145159
Why do they invade the west?
>>1145159
How come they stopped going south into the balkanswhen they reached the Bulgars?
>>1145159
>Look at all this.....nothing.....that we conquered!
>>1145172
Lotta loyalty for a steppe nomad
What happened to them after Attila? Did they just vanish? Did some other group conquer them or incorporate them into their own central asian confederacy? Where did they go?
>>1145159
If the Romans backed them off, would they collapse?
>>1145222
they became Hungarian folk heroes
>>1145295
Is there an ancestral link between Huns and Magyars or is it more like WE WUZ HUNZ or something?
>>1145178
stop this meme
>>1145349
They both originate from Siberian turkics.
>>1145355
he's right you know
>>1145361
wow so the magyars really were khanz n shiiiet
awesome
The bulgars moved east from central Asia to the Pontic Steppes. They did ok for themselves integrating and all that - they formed a small state known as Old Great Bulgaria, which grew to encompass the Pontic lands north of the black sea (as far north as the Volga). The kingdom eventually split after the King died, went to his four sons, and the Pontic part was conquered by the Turkic Khaganate in the 7th century. The Northern part near the Volga stayed there for ages. The two other bits to it went west and south - one settled in modern-day Hungary and made whoopee with glorious Magyar women, and the other went to the northeast balkans.
The guys in the Northeast balkans - mostly modern day Romania/Bulgaria - were lead by a guy named Asparukh. Where they settled was part of Scythia, a province of the Byzantine Empire, so Justinian the not-sure-which-number sent his army to kick them out, to which the Bulgars smashed them, possibly with the help of Slavs.
They then proceeded to enjoy a hot-cold relationship with Byzantium. They fight several wars against eachother, and then a few as allies - the second siege of constantinople by the Arabs ends when the Bulgars rock up and kick their asses, too, blocking the invasion of Europe by arabs for a few hundred years. They take land off of the Magyars and a bit more from Turkics in the north, as far as Chernigrad and Khust over to Pest. They eventually eat shit in one of their wars against the Byzantines in the 11th century, and pretend not to exist for a hundred and fifty years until the second bulgarian empire rolls around, which enjoys a few hundred years of prosperity and owning everything in the Balkans that isn't Serbia before being eaten by the Ottomans in the 15th century.
Strangely enough, it's the Hungarians who claim lineage from Atilla, and not the Bulgarians. There's not much to say about the other descendants of the Huns, I think, unless you include them.
>>1145159
They made France and Germany into what they're now. Without the huns, those frankish and german barbarians would be roman-tier sooner.
>>1145409
Sorry, I forgot to preface it all by saying that the existing Hunnic people integrated fairly well with the Bulgars in the first place, thus creating Old Great Bulgaria.
>>1145421
You also skipped about 100 years of history where Atilla's dumbfuck sons fought amongst eachother and got rekt by the goths, namely Gepids. Then the Huns collapsed; and then the Bulgars moved in.
>>1145159
LET'S GET DOWN TO BUSINESS
>>1145443
THEY WEREN'T HUNS DISNEY WHY DID YOU FALL FOR THAT OUTDATED MEME REEEEEEEEEEE
>>1145159
>Posting fake maps
We all know the huns went all the way to the northern tip off jutland
>>1145187
Or perhaps he's wondering why someone would try to save an empire that's already on it's way out the door.
>>1145222
Atilla's successor Ellac got smashed by the Goths at the Battle of Nedao. After that they moved east and attacked the ERE, and disappear from history after being defeated by them.
>>1145174
>5th century
>Bulgars south of the Danube
>>1146327
Most maps of "Hunnic empire" make me cringe, they barely controlled Pannonia and some irrelevant Germanic tribes acknowledged them for a while. "Hunnic Empire" must be the memiest empire out there.
>>1145178
Germania was highly populated
>>1145462
Another thing I found funny is how Disney named their leader "Shanyu." IIRC, I think that was literally just a title to refer to Xiongnu chieftains.
>>1146680
This. Also it was barely an empire since it was barely a state to begin with. Attila's horde was closer to a cartel.
>>1145462
Because literally nobody in the west knows what the fuck a xiongnu is.
>>1146738
yeah but it's self-perpetuating misinformation.
>>1146680
>>1146327
>>1145159
No one agrees to how big the Hunnic Empire of Atilla was. I think it probably didn't get much farther than the Carpathian mountains and some black sea real-estate, but people have made arguments it reached as ludicrously far as Gothland Sweden do to hunnic genetic presence among the dirty Swedes.
>>1145361
Magyars were never turkic and we cannot prove the huns ever were without turk meme science.
>>1146755
more retarded speculative Hunpire maps
>>1146764
>>1146758
But anon, every "horse people" were mongol manlets.
>>1146766
My favorite.
>>1146791
>northern roman empire
ayyyy
I'm surprised the Russcucks are not using this shit.
>>1146778
Yup. Specially scythians.
>>1146791
That looks like a althistory map. Although the Huns were major Gothophiles, they still destroyed the Gothic realm in Ukraine.
>>1146818
Rather than being gothophiles, they just accepted that the goths were more sophisticated, numerous and culturally related to most of their other subjects. Nomadic conquerors tend to be pragmatic in their use of subjugated cultures.
>>1146818
>>1145159
They started to rapidly migrate and encouner Iranic and Germanic peoples in Central Asia and across the Danube, Attila father began starting a pattern of conquest and integration to build a new Hunnic society; after he passes on, Attila and his brother continue their expansion and encounters. Twice attempts to attack Persia via the Caucaus, fails utterly, they then focus on the Eastern Roman Empire which is far more easy prey. After awhile of failing to siege or break the walls of Constantinople, the Huns are payed off, civil war shortly ensues and Attila's brother is dead, Attila takes over the Hunnic Empire and ravages through Central Europe to Western Europe, eventually checked and stopped by Western Roman Empire.
Then Attila dies a few years later, his sons squabble, the Huns fragment, and return to Central Asia and the Steppes.
>>1146817
You mean the Scythians, the Iranic/Caucasian nomadic horsemen who Greek and Roman writers have specifically told us were particularly tall?
>>1146879
Senpai please look at the picture of my comment, it's literally the statue of an scythian who looks nothing like a manlet mongol. I know sometimes sarcasm is hard to grasp on the internet, but this time there is no excuse.
>>1146896
Not giving borders to confederations that probably didn't use the concept of border, and for sure not the modern one.
How accurate is the eastern expanse?
>>1146896
I would bet on the under. You don't need much land for nomadic warbands who mostly pasture for food and raid for gold.
>>1146817
That's a Trojan
>>1145287
it would be very painful
>>1146925
The "model" is an stereotypical iranic archer, no matter what's supposed to represent.
>>1146901
>sarcasm
>typed out
Maybe you should've included parenthesis mate.
>>1146925
Retard
>>1147012
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/7e/NAMABG_Aphaia_Trojan_archer.JPG
>Trojan archer
Who's the retard now?
>>1147023
You still
>>1146935
VVVV
>>1145349
>>1145400
This originates from the French actually. Germans called us "Ungarn", french noticed its similar to "Hun" so they called us Hungary, and it stuck.
We are called "magyars", and not "huns", hungary is just the international name.
Besides Attila being a common name, no one really believes that we are from the Huns, besides some folklore stories.
History books don't say shit like this either, our history officially starts around 700-800, not before.
>>1147244
I thought Bulgarians and Hungarians identified with Turkics as well?
>>1146680
Shill we all know the huns where one of the most powerfull Turan empires
>>1147305
There is the turan meme yes, because magyars originate from the Urals like other turkics.
But the "Attila the Hun's people = today Hungarians" has no historical backing up.
What I find interesting is that the other Ugric languages/people are all the way in the Urals and then you have Hungary all the way in Pannonian Plain
>>1147305
In the 19th century where humanities were less developed. But it's literally the same meme science that makes finns be mongols, and apart from the 19th century it only has place in turkish autistic political movements.
P.S. Bulgars, despite being slavs today, actually were a turkic people in the past. English call those old bulgars "bolghars" but in most languages I know there's not really a different word for both.
>>1147393
The steppe that stretches from Hungary to the Pacific ocean is basically a highway that has had thousands of ethnic groups pass through it
Any connection between Turks and Huns? Were Huns a Turkic people?
>>1145159
Unfairly credited as the people responsible for destroying Rome rather than the Visigoths, when all they did was rape, loot and pillage before getting told to fuck off by the Pope.
>>1147653
Maybe, probably. We don't really know what the huns were.
>>1147660
Romans destroyed Rome, to be honest.
>>1147660
feels good that it was swedes destroying Rome instead of dirty turks/mongols/hungarians
>>1146623
If I give you gold, will you go away?
>>1147653
there are a lot of linguistic connections between hungarian and turkic languages
cultures are also kinda similar, with horse worship/eating that is commoon between central asian nations and hungary
>>1146680
Fucking this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywaKV8su94U
>>1145159
I don't remember them getting as far as the Netherlands. If they did, my countrymen would be like: "we wuz huns!" all the time.
