Are there any plausible pre-Columbian trans-oceanic contact theories?
Or are they all conspiratard garbage?
>>1143256
Nice homework question.
Well, the Vikings are documented to have done it.
That's academically accepted fact.
It's probable that the Polynesians had contact with the peoples of South America. There is linguistic and genetic evidence to suggest this.
Other than that, it's mostly pseudoarchaeology
>>1143256
Vikings.
>>1143256
The Vikings and probably the Japanese around the same time period making contact with what is now the American West. No evidence that the Chinese did it like is theorized in that meme book or the Romans.
>>1143256
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The Songhi? Or is africa just irrelevant?
>>1143256
From "Lies my Teacher Told Me," p. 39:
Although seafarers from Africa and Asia may also have made it to the
Americas, they never make it into history textbooks. The best known are the
voyages of the Afro-Phoenicians, probably launched from Morocco but ultimately
from Egypt, that are said to have reached the Atlantic coast of Mexico in
about 750 B.C. Organic material associated with colossal heads of basalt that
stand along the eastern coast of Mexico stand has been dated to around 750
B.C. The stone heads are realistic portraits of West Africans, according to the
anthropologist Ivan Van Sertima, who has done much to bring these images into
popular consciousness.
http://cjohnson-shs.weebly.com/uploads/1/6/6/1/16615480/1493-the_true_importance_of_christopher_columbus-lies_my_teacher_told_me_ch1.pdf
>>1143527
>according to the anthropologist Ivan Van Sertima
>>1143256
Vikings aside, the only credible possibility would be with the Polynesians.
Hans Giffhorn wrote a book about how Celts and Carthagians might have made it to Brazil and sailed up the amazon and reached Peru.
http://www.amazon.de/Wurde-Amerika-Antike-entdeckt-Chachapoya/dp/3406645208
Sounds quite convincing to me, but im no historian.
>>1143256
The Vikings and the Chinese (coincidentally shortly before Columbus) made it to America. Also, it's pretty likely that some polynesian groups ended up ocassionally in the southamerican coasts.
That's pretty much it.
Then there's a multitude of stories about a number of other people somehow getting there too, from phoenicians to egyptians to irish monks, but all that belongs to the same storyboard of ayyliens and lizard people theories.
>>1143523
Africa is just irrelevant. Songhai and the other African "empires" are anthropology memes to feed egalitarianism. City states with dubious control over events around them.
>>1143527
>that are said to have reached the atlantic coast of mexico in around 750 bc.
Said by whom? Ivan van Sertima?
>>1143608
The trouble is that many, many things are "possible", but without real proof it's very hard to know.
I read that someone found amphoras at the bottom of Guanabara bay.
There is genetic evidence that Cro-Magnon Caucasoids got to north America some time in the ice age.
>>1143646
the chinese theory is bogus.
>>1144219
Pretty sure that's populations from russia going both east and west, not an oceanic voyage.
>>1143646
>Chinese
Menzies gtfo.
>>1143256
It's almost universally accepted that vikings reached Greenland, Baffin Island and Easter Canada.
There's strong evidence of Polynesian contact around the south-western coast of South America.
I think Basques ocassionally reaching Newfoundland chasing whales it's also kinda plausible.
>>1143256
Well, apparently polynesians gave south americans a weird looking chicken breed, so there's that:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Araucana
>>1144101
>City states with dubious control over events around them
By this definition the Puritans weren't part of the British Empire. Pretty shitty 2bh.
>>1143256
http://news.discovery.com/history/archaeology/evidence-of-pre-columbus-trade-found-in-alaska-house-15042.htm
Alaskan natives getting their hands on Asian manufactured bronze.
>>1144428
>chasing whales thousands of miles across the Atlantic ocean.
>plausible
The fuck am I reading?
>>1144732
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Basque_whaling
>>1143256
Plausible as in they possessed boats that could do it or plausible as in they probably did it?
>>1143256
Vinland.
Basically what everyone else itt said.
We know FOR SURE of at least 1 viking settlement with 1-2 others extremely likely.
Polynesian contact with SA is also extremely likely but not conclusive.
Chinese theory is a meme - they had the technology but not the desire.
I would honestly be pretty surprised if nobody else did it but definitive proofs for such small scale contact would be hard to come by. When you think about such time scales the idea that at least 1 other boat didn't make a 1 way trip I find harder to believe than the alternative. We'll likely never know though.
