>Oh why, YES of course a squad of heroic American soldiers could have hold off an assaulting company-sized Waffen-SS unit supported by Tiger tanks and Panzerjagers
>t. Steven Spielberg
>>1131802
Make a movie about a battle that goes exactly how it everyone thought it would or make a movie about a battle where a miracle upset happened leading to and underdog victory......... t. every director ever
>>1131802
but they didn't.
they were being buttfucked until the miraculous timing of American air support and allied troop reinforcements.
>>1131802
Stay mad
Now Fury was unrealistic. 300 Waffen-SS losing against a immobile Sherman is bullshit. Even if it was May 1945 and the entire battalion was made up of teenagers it was unrealistic. Did the Germans think that bullets would go through the vision slits and kill the crew or something. They had panzerfausts for crying out loud.
>>1131824
And if the underdog gets raped, make sure to present them as oppressed heroes and the guys who killed them as tyrannical assholes.
You can see how the Jews have shifted tactics, there's no token minorities in pre 2001 Jewish made movies
>>1131896
IIRC, they killed most of the attackers and then a mustang wiped off the remains
>>1132030
They were literally preparing for a last stand situation before reinforcements arrived.
Don't you remember that part where Tom Hanks pulls a 1911 on a Tiger?
>>1131983
You're obviously too young.
>>1132030
They were getting their shit pushed in and a Tiger was advancing on them. They were about to blow the bridge because they were losing and THEN the reinforcements arrived.
>>1131802
Didn't they like, all die?
>>1132030
Defending is easier than attacking and a 3:1 advantage is advised for any attacking force.
>>1131802
>>1131802
Could be worse.
In Wind Talkers Nic Cage single handedly defeats damn near the entire Japanese army
>>1132401
.45 ACP strong
9mm Para Faggum queers blown the fuck out
>>1131802
Aww is the wittle germanboo upset? Gonna cwy naziboo?
>>1131802
there were a lot of problems with that last scene, but a mixed 1/3 platoon-strength unit of american soldiers holding off a SS-Waffen infantry company and heavy panzer kampfgruppe was not one of them.
the town's urban landscape created chokepoints that funneled the infantry and vehicles into killzones, reducing the Axis forces' effectiveness. this is exactly what happened on the eastern front in soviet urban areas.
the real problem was the SS Waffen unit's lack of infantry tactics, but that's stereotypical of so many american ww2 films.
>>1131977
Fury was a steaming pile of Wehraboo shit. I hated every second of that movie. Good art direction, though.
>>1133410
yeah, whoever was in charge of wardrobe deserves an industry award
>>1133404
To be fair, for late war Waffen SS, having no grasp of tactics and just rushing forward is kind of a 50-50 proposition
>>1133424
I've heard of the Waffen-SS' stubborn idiotic tendency towards frontal attacks.
but the thing about SPR is that the German infantry didn't have any of their distinguishing characteristics, e.g.
>squad based around the MG
>no use of suppression, fire-and-maneuver, room-clearing
>no use of heavy weapons beyond the panzerschrek, little use of grenades
i mean, they're not fucking volkssturm, but that's the way they were portrayed
>>1132473
The whole last stand portion of the film was just gratuitous action for the audience. If you really want to be realistic they should've just blown the bridge immediately and left.
Not to mention they wouldn't have sent anyone to specifically get Ryan in the first place.
It was stupid for several reasons. Like Hanks putting his Thompson through the eye slit in the Tiger. Or the Germans dricing open top armor through an enemy town for no apparent reason. Or the Germans having ahaved heads even though they on general had longer hair than the allied soldiers.
Fuck Spielberg.
>>1133467
>expecting the movie going public to notice or give a shit about infantry tactics.
Even if they were to get an expert to train the actors to look like they know what they're doing, nobody would notice except for the .01% of people who are autistic to notice. Film making is not conducive to accurate portrayals of combat.
>>1132030
Tom hanks was dying sat by himself shooting a tank with his sidearm
yeah they were winning
>>1132401
That Tiger looks ghastly.
I've not seen this film since it was released, is it worth another go? I can't remember much about it.
>implying the germans won the war
>waffen SS
>good
>squad
Well there was Tom Hanks men were a squad. With the other men already holding the bridge you had something more like a platoon.
>could hold off a company
Yes. They were prepared and well dug into defensive positions. A platoon holding off a company in such a manner is no issue. The defenders in fact were being routed until reinforcements and air support showed up. But the idea of a smaller unit holding off a larger one is fine, and it happened all the time. In fact the Germans were really good at it, they had to be, given they were so regularly outnumbered.
And if there's anything unrealistic about the battle, it's that. The U.S. are the underdogs and they have to hold off a mass of assaulting troops. It was almost always the other way around. I guess since it's a Hollywood film, the Americans always have to look like the underdogs.
>>1133467
>no use of heavy weapons beyond the panzerschrek
What? They use a 20 mm flak 38 gun in an anti-infantry role and the Tiger's main gun to take out sniper positions.
There's no drama if the bad guys are outnumbered by the good.
>>1135797
>fat italian takes 5 bullets and runs around fine
>texan super-sniper knocks off 50 germans within a minute
>air support arrives a second before Tom Hanks is crushed by the panzer
The whole movie was terrible, desu. After the first scene, it just went downhill really fast.
>>1133967
>Not to mention they wouldn't have sent anyone to specifically get Ryan in the first place
Except... they did. In real life.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niland_brothers
>>1131802
He got it right in the end; the air force shows up and wins the battle for the amerisoldiers.
>>1132463
That was not uncommon, the japs were soviet teir, have you never read anything about Pacific theater MoH winners?
>>1131802
Stay mad pleb
>>1135199
Yes
>>1137484
>Several days following D-Day, Fritz had gone to the 82nd Airborne Division to see his brother, Bob. Once he arrived at division, he was informed that Bob had been killed on D-Day. Fritz was shipped back to England, and, finally, to the U.S. where he served as an MP in New York until the completion of the war.
Sounds like he was just told his brother were dead and got sent home. No one went out and specifically looked for him.
>>1131802
To be fair that wasn't even a real Tiger tank.
>>1135637
The Waffen SS was hit and miss, just like all military units. It had some units that performed extremely well, notably its Panzer divisions.
The infantry units were hit and miss, and by the end of the war lots of them were basically untrained teenagers.
But still, the movie didn't portray them accurately.
>>1133410
>Fury was ... Wehraboo
Why? How?
