Not all modern art is bad right?
Of course not.
>>1122942
art is neither bad, nor good, it's art.
Sure it's not.
>>1122942
It's a lot of pretentious edginess to me really. I 'get' modern art, I just think it's shit. I don't know how anyone past their 'fuck you dad' stage can appreciate it.
>>1122951
Because you orientalise all modern art as being the sludge of ugly abstraction that you see from a few pseudo-intellectual loudmouthed college dilettantes, when in reality, like every other field in life, there's a huge fucking variety m8
Mark Henson best modern artist btw
>>1122947
>futurism
mah nigga
>>1123463
>futurism
AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
of course not. I like those modern art that the artist has put effort into it. When the artist doesn't do it, I think it is bad.
its ok
I still think most of the (intelligent) criticism is deserved, I don't think photography killed classical art, I think modern celebrity and media did, famous artists get lazy and steal the limelight from other artists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ubTJI_UphPk
>>1122974
Pic related is Mark Henson
Sure he's degenerate, but only if you're a 15 year old /pol/lack with a firm wooden ruler up your ass and an inability to appreciate anything that isn't completely nuance-deprived Baroque highly metrical and overly orderly sniffing-nose upright condescending vibe bullshit
>>1124741
Forgot pic
THE ABSTRACT IS THE NOUMENON
>>1122942
Most modern art movements are great, as is contemporary
>inb4 some butthurt fag shows some shit selling for millions
gangsters need a way to clean their money. not a big deal, if you've ever met an artist you'll know they don't take that shit seriously
OP's pic is facebook-tier though
>>1124745
this is nice. captures the aesthetic of lsd perfectly, A lot of his work is a bit >dudeweedlmao but I like him
>>1122948
>>1124931
>op's pic is Facebook tier
>yours isn't
wew
If you want to view modern art the way it's meant to then you have to look into the Modovan art scene. Moldova has the most catching themes, they have the undisputed magnum opus of all modern art.
>>1122942
Define your meaning of "modern art"
If you mean modern conceptual art ala Mark Rothko, then it always comes off to the public eye as pretentious. If you've read art history, you would have understood that painters slowly deviated from classic painting style because of there was so much of it already.
Search for Dadaism, the artists who started the movement tried to stop the fad from gaining momentum but failed.
Kanye West clips
>>1125091
Which Kanye West clips do you consider to be art? Post some.
>>1122942
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=hyperrealism
>>1125045
>>1124931
What makes something Facebook-tier?
>>1125178
Clear, obvious message, often common sense, trying to hide itself as somehow deep using metaphor imagery
>>1125198
Pretty much. The OP pic needs the caption
"Millions of acres of rainforest are lost to global warming every day. Like this picture to end global warming"
>>1125221
like
>>1122942
Define "art"
>>1125269
It's a medium supposed to communicate to an observer in a way not possible (or more accurate than) with words.
>>1125198
>>1125189
>>1125178
This. Totally annoyed by facebook users, who don't know shit about modern art, speaking about how that deviantart and facebook stuff is continuing the tradition of european arts. Just as annoying as metalheads saying Metal is far more complicated than other Pop-music and has therefore more in common with classical music.
>>1125293
Literature isn't art?
>>1122951
>pretentious
I hate this word, it assumes a lot about the intentions beyond the work, and is quite honestly insulting to artitsts
>>1125269
1) It is a sort of comportment necessary for whoever thinks it and makes it.
2) It is an individual pleroma, a realization.
3) It is a fixing in some medium of imagined virtualities (cosmological, philosophical, . . ., arguments)
4) It is normative, that is, unconsciously it is a model for being or for doing by sympathetic drive.
5) It is catalytic: its mere presence permits internal psychic or mental transformations in the same way as the crystal ball of the hypnotist.
6) It is the gratuitous play of a child.
7) It is a mystical (but atheistic) asceticism. Consequently, expressions of sadness, joy, love and dramatic situations are only very limited particular instances.
fuck.
Alright. Art = metaphors
>>1125293
Hol up, I was at the prada museum last year and one of the artpieces was a plastic cube glued to a wall with a bit of dirt on it (as if someone had taken a shovel and dumped a mound of fresh dirt on top).
You can imagine that the sign next to the piece said a great number of things that weren't "communicated" to the observer by the cube. Was it therefore not art?
>>1125327
That's one really cool thing about art in that while it necessarily embodies an argument, the argument isn't always supposed to be clear. For example, take this poem:
the faery is rosy
of glow
in fate
we rely
moan more grief
with any loss
any loss
is the achy trick
with him we stay
oh stay
my lyre
we wean
him of any milk
any milk is rosy
What is the poem trying to communicate? Can you tell anything about its author from the work?
After thinking about these questions, check out this blog post that explains the origin of the poem:
https://electropoetic.wordpress.com/2014/02/08/xenotext/
>>1125311
It uses word to describe yet good literature convey emotions not explicitely written, thus making it different from say a report
>>1125327
>>1125342
Just to expand on this, if you want a read on this topic-ish, the first section or so works with another case of difficult to comprehend art:
http://www.bussigel.com/lerdahl/pdf/Cognitive%20Constraints%20on%20Compositional%20Systems.pdf
(here's the piece discussed in the work, btw):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MS82nF85_gA
RIP Boulez
>>1125309
Then get off of facebook you faggot.
>>1125189
>hyperrealism
>facebook-tier
Is pic realted more up your alley then?
Is Giger modern?
>>1122942
>>1122947
>>1123544
>>1124745
>>1124931
>>1125076
>all this faggy bullshit
>>1125401
>muh anatomically retarded painting
>>1125429
>muh retarded self
>>1125401
Nah.
It's great though, I reall wish that Beksinski and Giger would have collaborated on something
>>1125444
Frazetta is God-tier tho
>>1124745
lel, ''''''''''''''''artistis'''''''''''''''''''''''''' and sex amirite
>>1125460
>it's a Frazetta uses micky mouse watercolors episode
>>1125460
>Frazetta is God-tier
can't tell if trolling or /tg/ autist
I don't know if he mass made backgrounds and then slapped figures on afterwards but it sure as shit looks like it.
It just all looks so cheap and tacky, but I guess muh epic broads and barbarians pulp fantasy from when men were men and pc culture didn't rule is the appeal though.
Coming through
>>1122942
no
>>1125088
I've studied art history at university and I understand how 20th century movements developed. However I still think artists like Rothko, Koons, Twombly are total hacks. Luckily, if you have a brain you can find plenty of great art still being produced. If you don't have a brain please continue to see popular gallery and auction art as the only legitimate forms of art and continue to be insensed by the crap that sells for millions.
I used to work at Christie's in London and people often know what's a load of bullshit. It still gets sold of course. If a rich Russian wants to launder some money why not? London is one of the biggest places for art dealership and everyone can see that it's mostly Russians buying.
P.s. Also you would be amazed at the weird letters and terrible 'homemade' art that people send in... So weird.
>>1122942
Not all, but a huge amount of it is either formless with a message, or all form with no message. Your OP image is all form with no message.
Can someone post what they consider good conceptual art? I understand your frustration at buzzfeed kids saying it's all pretentious bullcrap but what do you actually like?
Video somewhat related
https://youtu.be/d7ez-gIt08I
>>1125944
How exactly does it have no message? Its message is really heavy handed and explicit.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IyE78eyFRa8
Sam Hyde is a true modern artist.
>>1125958
"OOH THE CITY IS KILLING NATURE OOOOOO"
I mean something sublime, something higher. not heavy-handed fedora bullshit.
I've seen plenty of art that made me stop in awe, but so much of modern art does nothing for me.
>>1124971
>>1124998
Is school out already?
The leisure class isn't patronizing conservatories and master artisans anymore.
Look at Hitler's art. He could paint better than the majority of the population. Yet not good enough technically to get into a school.
>>1125198
>Cryptic or interpretive message
>People call it "pretentious"
>Clear, obvious message
>People complain it's "Facebook tier"
>>1125985
Those aren't the same people.
>>1123463
Fucking gorgeous.
There is nothing more absurd than artistically-illiterate plebeians claiming art has "gotten objectively worse" or that "realist art is better" or that "modernism has no 'meaning'."
Whatever that means.
<I suggest you read this book.
>>1125973
You tell us ;-)
![Grasscity-Psychedelic-Wallpapers-2560x1600-wallgang.com-1[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/okdz4Ul.jpg "Grasscity-Psychedelic-Wallpapers-2560x1600-wallgang.com-1[1].jpg")
There's a difference between fucking badass modern art like pic related and the kind of shit that's just splashing a dab of red paint on a canvas.
>>1126103
Idk, they both sounds like decent t shirt designs.
>>1126103
Tacky.v
>>1122942
No, but the popular stuff is.
>>1126103
that is some seriously fedora tier shit
>muh fucking dragon companion fantasy
>muh fucking technofuturism
>muh completely unsubtle reference to the buddha
>muh dragon holding a flask because le *so scientific*
pic related is art with humanity in it, not sterile, emotionless autism
>>1125178
>muh fucking abstract jesus
>muh fucking common ideology painted into a picture
>christianity is deep look i have a painting to prove it
>>1126051
There's truckloads of shitty modern art.
you are appreciating old art in a modern view
>>1126103
why is the dragon holding a bong?
>>1125687
oh god
>>1122942
think of all the millions of different artists with multiple different styles all over the world. Not all of it is the modern art you are picturing
I've always liked this painting
I've always liked this painting
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Adi_Holzer_Werksverzeichnis_835_Abrahams_Opfer.jpg
>>1126253
that pic is incredibly fedora as well
> There are still people who hate modern art
>>1126561
idiots who think all "modern art" is the sort of rubbish that grad students out of art school shovel out
>>1122942
no but your image is
>>1126253
>complains about fedorism
>posts the most fedora pic imaginable.
lel. Only pic related is worse
>>1126664
>romanticism
>fedora
What are you smoking?
>>1126253
>>1126516
Well Repin has become a /his/-meme (muh beady eyes) lately, but nonetheless his work is great. Look at the textures of the crinkling carpets, at the clothings and the composition of the colours and at the light, it's just a great painting.
On the other hand you've got that dragon painting. Well if you like it, you like it, but it lacks composition, soul and emotions and it's just cluttered up - just totally different from the traditions of european aesthetics found in the art we know and love.
>>1126664
I see this fucking picture on every forum, blog or book that could be considered "autistic".
Neoreactionary stuff, philosophy blogs, blogs about depression and suicide, PUA blogs, websites and books about existentialism, libertarian sites, pages about art and spirituality, sites about atheism...
It's become the go to picture to use on your site or your book cover for any young guy wanting to write something about a pretentious, nerdy autistic topic.
>>1126253
Never seen this painting before, it's beautiful. Who did it/What's it called?
>>1126768
>>1126664
Just because it's easy to get, it isn't any worse. Same for Debussy or Satie in music: it is very popular and there are endless playlists on youtube made by 14 year olds describing how "clair de lune is describing their soul" or whatever, but that doesn't harm the beauty of the object.
>>1126805
> that doesn't harm the beauty of the object
It arguably does because of autistic associations.
>>1126805
i want to fug debussy :-DDD
>>1126802
> What's it called
Ivan the Terrible killing his son.
>>1126805
Yeah, I'm not saying it's not a great picture and I'm not even saying that the young guys who love this kind of art are bad for being pretentious, I like pretentious.
It's just a funny observation about this particular painting.
>>1126737
check out shit done by the russians. they love their geometric shapes
>>1126737
Islamic art since they can't draw physical things.
>>1126838
googled "russian geometric modern art", and it showed pieces of art that are made in a style called suprematism. I kind of don't like it. any other ones?
>>1126853
Geometric abstraction maybe
>>1126853
Does MC Escher counts?
>>1126561
I like it
>>1126853
constructivism is sort of an offshoot of suprematism so check that out. else check out de stijl/neoplasticism (it includes mondrian who was the one i posted)
>>1122947
>>1123463
>>1123544
>>1125076
>>1125178
>>1126561
Best modern art ITT.
I like that screaming cardinal one.
Is modern art still considered modern art if it's in a traditional art style but made in the 21st century?
If that stuff is still considered modern art, then modern art is a pretty weird term. We have this idea that one can say "I love modern art" and people will understand that you basically mean abstract art or art with humans in an abstract setting. But no one insists that "17th century art" has any meaning that's that specific.
Instead of saying, I like modern art, maybe we should say, "I like abstract art", or, I like constructivism/pop art/conceptual art/digital art"
>>1126260
Oh, you liked it? Here, have another.
I like his crucifixions because they break down the tropes in older crucifixion paintings and separate and accentuate them. To me (a non-religious person), I don't really care about the religious meaning that the painting has for the painter, but as someone who has seen A LOT of crucifixions, I think that his are informed and thought-provoking.
>>1125965
Oh look, it's that guy again.
>>1126906
The thing is that "modern" doesn't really refer to a time frame, but instead to "modernism," a wide-reaching movement of art during the early 20th century. It was focused on obtaining higher levels of abstraction, coming up with new approaches to art creation, and making things that were seen as strictly non-traditional.
So really no art that's made in the 21st century would be called "modern art," you'd have to call it "contemporary art"
>>1126561
Yeah, it's partly because of money launderers reputation, though.
Negative version
>>1126805
This should be obvious. Just because a ton of 6 year old girls like ballet doesn't mean that ballet is for 6 year old girls.
Everyone should just evaluate their opinions based on what they like and what they don't, not whether or not little kids like something.
Except for Satie. Satie is shit.
>>1126946
Modern art can be pretty dark.
>>1126270
That's because there's truckloads of modern art in general, and as a symptom of that there's also truckloads of brilliant modern art.
whenever an edgy STEM/reddit teen declares that modern art is dead/bad/silly/etc, ask them who their favourite Renaissance artist is
"uhh, Da Vinci..?"
in their answer (or lack of) you will realise this 'disdain' for modern art is actually just a crutch for their intellectual and cultural insecurity, and that they have absolutely no idea what they're talking about
>>1126051
>implying they would read anything outside of internet forums
these people are illiterate in practically every sense
>>1126957
Indeed.
Modern art is bad, they said.
(It's so fucking broad, it makes no sense at all.)
C I N E M A
I
N
E
M
A
Do you know the answer, /his/?
>>1127037
I have no idea but I know that brecht told some commie thugs to leave Ernst Jünger alone
Who Leyendecker here?
>>1127144
I think /ic/ could be your speed. Full of Deviantart commission artists that want to hit the 'digital sketch concept art for EA Molvania' big leagues.
>>1122942
Get educated:
http://insomnia.ac/commentary/on_the_genealogy_of_art_games/
Read the entire bibliography of Nietzsche and at least 90% of HIS sources prior if you want the full length of his supporting argument in detail.
>>1127184
>unironically citing Alex Kierkegaard
these threads are almost more redundant than creationism vs. evolution threads
I've literally never seen one person's opinion in these changed, one way or the other
>>1127278
that's because you view debates and opinions as binary, which is really rather naive
no one 'wins' or 'loses' arguments, and likewise no one changes their argument because of a few comments arguing something contrary to their viewpoint. It all happens slower than that, and in a good debate both sides gain something in virtue of having an ever so slightly more refined perspective of the subject
>>1122942
That art in particular is unoriginal, uninspiring trash. But it is not like in previous years people always painted perfect masterpieces.
>>1127278
I don't look at much "modern art", and what I have seen is at local galleries, and were mostly kinda lame like OP's image.
However, some of the stuff in this thread is quite beautiful. My opinion has changed.
>>1126516
>Ivan IV holding his dead son's body after killing him in a fit of rage
>Fedora tier
I don't understand new fags to understand all memes when they post, but fuck, your retarded.
>>1126768
Your browsing history is awful, anon.
>>1126826
>I can't enjoy a thing because of associations I make with obscure internet subcultures
I think you're the autist, anon.
>>1122942
Wow, what a powerful message! Let's stop evil capatalism from ruining the enviroment.
>>1127469
Sorry man, I've never had an incredible deep connection with visual art. Music and Lit have both provided more complex experiences for me, but paintings have been just pretty.
It's surely my fault; I haven't actively pursued it. I'll check out that book, thanks.
>>1124931
>putting a bayonet on a revolver
Probably made by a hippie
>>1126805
I'm not saying it's bad, but it's funny that he was posting the most fedora'd picture in existence while complaining about someone else. It'd be like complaining about someone's hat being fedora-tier while wearing a literal fedora.
>inb4 autism about fedoras and trilbys
>>1126768
>Neoreactionary stuff
>autistic
Can't wait until all you reds ind yourselves at the wrong end of a rifle.
>>1126768
>libertarian
>autistic
Fucking wew lad
>>1126768
>PUA blogs
>autistic
literally the exact opposite of you beta autistic fucks
>>1127472
>http://lmgtfy.com/?q=How+retarded+am+I
This should help
![PBF209-Now_Showing[1].jpg](https://i.imgur.com/3UvY1Nz.jpg "PBF209-Now_Showing[1].jpg")
>>1125985
>>1126038
what about cartoons, can they be considered art if the gag is complex enough to be considered deep?
>>1125309
>Just as annoying as metalheads saying Metal is far more complicated than other Pop-music and has therefore more in common with classical music.
Well metal IS more motif-based. While Pop music tends to start with harmony/chord changes and put a melody over top. Build a strong hook leading into your singalong chorus. Stick to AB format for the most part. While it's fairly common for metal to have a more complex/asymmetric/winding story time composition lasting 6 minutes or so, with the instrumentation designed to create an atmosphere/mood and mimic other things like forces of nature or dramatic scenes, not unlike what the romantic classical dudes were trying to do. So I can see their point, Anon.
>>1127576
I'm pretty liberal, but libertarians are autists
>>1127634
>I'm all in favor of the government being up my ass all the time, but I think people who want the government to fuck off are nuts.
No shit?
>>1127576
>>1126802
Ilya Repin
>>1127446
>implying the very subject matter isn't fedora tier and that Repin wasn't an edgy self flagellating liberal
I cannot count the paintings about the Wolga guys looking beat up and sad while pulling boats along the river
If you don't see the fedoraness in the picture you must be an actual autist
>>1127163
Not modern art
>>1126996
Haha haha, KYS my man, photo copying, edgy subject matter and a terrible composition, I don't understand how someone can think that this is deep or dark or sad or prophetic or any of the other worse plebeians like you use to describe something like this
>>1127579
Lol, I don't know if trolling but PUA is what neckbeards move on to after they dropped their atheism and videogaymes phase.
>>1127688
Im not denying there is a correlation but most of these are just attack pieces
>>1127579
Poe's law?
Modern art is god tier, OP.
>le illuminati engine
>>1122948
Get a load of this guy
>>1128295
>it doesn't get any more pretentious
I agree
>>1124745
The sky is ribbed for their pleasure
>>1122942
No. Based Wayne Barlowe
>>1127209
There's nothing wrong with Kierkegaard
>>1128420
Holbein is literally human-photocopier tier. His subjects always look stiff and imo he failed to capture any personality in most of his sitters. I'm not saying he wasn't talented, but his paintings do not interest me.
Impressionism isn't really a movement I feel. The painters diverge so much in style that you could only really say that they generally liked using the influence of photograph and plein air painting, although only monet was really consistent in this. Monet and Manet were so different in style and intention that I don't really know what impressionism is.
Also, yes. Michaelangelo was a true master (although I think Rodin supassed him as a sculptor and that some of his sculptures are totally overrated e.g. the dying slave) however to say that Da Vinci and Rubens are mediocre sounds like baiting to me. Both were masters of their craft, although Da Vinci is annoyingly inconsistent and has finished a tiny amount of works, his style is immediately recognisable for his subtle, soft touch and his superb mastery of value and tone.
Rubens was a fantastic craftsman. His paintings reveal an absolutely bewildering mastery of composition that they're sometimes difficult to comprehend. I would recommend visiting the Catherine Medici hall in The Louvre for what I consider a tour de force in monumental painting with countless twisting, stretching, fighting figures all of which seem to merge harmoniously with no awkwardness. The way he composed his paintings was flawless. I don't think his art is sublime, but he was a superb craftsman and to say his art is mediocre seems a bit much.
>>1126981
You know what
You just made me realize I'm a hypocrite
Your right I have no knowledge of art
And can't really judge
I just know what I like and what I don't
>>1128501
>Of course you'll always get this stuff too.
but alas, not as often as I would like
>>1128498
everything is wrong with Anthony "Kierkegaard" Zyrbas
>>1127530
>>1122948
Go back to your grave Wilde.
>>1125425
>he thinks Futurism is "faggy" while posting over the top, cheesy old D&D art
kill yourself
>>>/tg/
>>1123463
>>1123544
>>1122947
Russo-Italian Futurism and Soviet-German Constructivism were the best artistic movements ever.
>tfw you'll never libe in the 1920's
>tfw the reactionary elements prevented Futurism from being the face of the facist movement
Fuck Hitler and his idyllic Romanticism. Fuck him.
M O V E M E N T
>>1126737
Constructivism was that until Stalin killed it because "muh soc-realism"
>>1126051
>There is nothing more absurd
I think you mean entertaining.
>>1131606
I concur
>>1131722
>>1131725
>>1131729
>>1131735
>>1131740
>>1131747
>>1131751
>>1131042
>tfw Rodchenko et al were forced into making shit-tier "Socialist Realism"
>>1126103
bait?
>>1131747
>>1128300
>applying buzzwords like "fedora" and "edgy" on classic works of art
You might want to consider offing yourself this very instant.
>>1126952
>Except for Satie. Satie is shit.
Satie is the grandfather to ambient music and western minimalism. It wouldn't be too far to call him one of the greater musical visionaries of the late 19th and early 20th century.
>huehue but minimalism and ambient are shit
Nice edgy onions kiddo.
>>1131042
>>1131771
Lissitzky did some good constructivist with social realist elements works. It helps that he was a student of Malevich
My friend says art died with the invention of the camera. I say it died with monarchy.
>>1132552
Here's a fedora for that post
This thread is very informative and has lots of nice pictures.
>>1132805
Aww thank you. I lost my last one.
>>1130772
It really was more bait than anything but I honestly dont think that they are that great, they are certainly overrated in a lot of aspects IMO and composition alone doesnt make a good artist for me, people like Sorolla, Sargent, Zorn and the like are the best artists in the classical sense in that they are masters of composition, light and dark, values, contrasting colors, simplification, impressionism, realism and in embuing a feeling of a sculpted work.
>>1122942
Fucking Kratos going to kill Gaia again
no go to a fucking museum/exhibit for once dipshit
>>1130903
That is more of a knife with a revolver on it, No barrel so the idea is to stab someone then shoot.
>>1126940
Really wish this explanation of "modern" vs contemporary came right out the gate, because it seems like half the thread doesn't know the difference.
>>1131606
>>1131686
what's avant-garde about this?
>>1130891
Everything's "wrong" with him for you because he's 100% right about you and everyone else being completely retarded without showing a hint of mercy when he states this.
Also, these stupid threads wouldn't happen so often if more people actually read his book. Everyone is a fucking uneducated retard, parroting words like "art" without so much as a clue as to what it means philosophically or historically.
>>1127037
Brecht valued free thought and impression over forced narrative.
For instance, the one with Galileo and the Church where Galileo was representing God/religion and the Church humanism.
>>1135924
>Against forced narrative.
>Forces the narrative that Galileo was a brave humanist standing up against superstition.
Galileo's first critics were secular scientists who argued that Aristotle had "proved" earth was the center of the universe by pointing out there was no observable stellar parallax. As there was no way to measure stellar parallax at the time, there was no scientific evidence for a heliocentric model. Even worse, because Galileo's model assumed perfect circular orbits, it was less accurate than the Ptolemaic model which had epicenters and equaints to account for observed planetary motion.
As for heliocentrism being heretical? Nobody put Copernicus on trial because he didn't go around pissing people off. Most accusations of witchcraft and heresy were just pretext for getting rid of your political rivals. The pope gave Galileo permission to publish his theory as long as he included arguments for and against, galileo did this, but wrote the book in the form of a dialogue where the guy arguing in favor of geocentrism was an obvious straw-man named Simplicio. Basically the Renasanse equivalent of pic related.
His punishment for blowing the pope off like that? House arrest. As far as being tried for heresy was concerned. That's very generous.
The narrative of the brave humanist vs the church was invented latter as anti-catholic propaganda, much like the idea that the people of Columbus's time thought the world was flat.
I'm not religious or anything, but i'm sick and tired of seeing fedoras regurgitate this shit.
>>1127583
no
it's all just gags in the end
facebook tier is better termed "sunday strip tier"
>>1128501
this shit is everywhere at uni
every other kid thinks his gonads are the most thought provoking mechanism since ever
go figure, right?
>>1131725
>Gotta go fast
Everything poste dhere is awful and souless
old realistic paintings made a much better job at conveying what all of these are trying to achieve
Its like anakin in EP3 saying from my point of view jedis are evil
>>1134003
Fair enough. Thanks for admitting it was mostly bait. And you're right, composition isn't everything. But for me, Zorn and Sorolla and many of the academy painters of the 19th century, their art is technically masterly (and of course it better be, considering that they were benefiting from centuries of improvement in the craft as well as in materials) but lacking in drama. Perhaps its a personal thing but composition is really important in telling a story, which Is what art should do. I mean just look at this shit, this is pure drama. That Rubens was able to make this clusterfuck into something legible is a testament to his skill. He was like the actually competent Michael Bay of his time. Zorn and Sorolla played it safe, their art bores me with its domesticity and shallowness.
Still, I won't deny that Sargent was a true master, able to create feeling with just a few brush strokes. I could look at his stuff all day.
Goatest? y/n
>>1122948
>>1128447
Top level bants.
>>1122948
yeah, but some art is more appealing to the mayority than other art
and some art takes more effort to do it
also some art is fucking shit, no matter what are your standards
>>1122942
Yes
but this pic is awful
>>1125985
protip: anyone who uses pretentious as criticism is a lazy or just plainly bad critic
>>1127583
Yes, look at Lichtenstein.
But most are considered lowbrow by the art snobs.
>>1126664
nigga I'll fite u
>>1136854
I bet you that image was dream by an autist who thinks posting smug anime girls wins arguments. Your probably on the same level of retardation
>>1126957
I actually quite like this.
Its not particularly impressive, but I don't know, something about it is aesthetically pleasing.
>>1137671
Lichtenstein just repurposed other peoples art. Was reading an article about a comic artist who Lichenstein lifted one of his paintings from. Basically talked about how much money the painting sold for and how the comic artist was dead broke and about die due to not having enough money to cover his medical bills.
>>1124909
LOL
>>1122942
Modern Art is a result of photography. With photography, we have three schools of modern art: meaningless shit, digital art, and photographs/videos. Despite what many say, photography and film is an art.
Here is a good example of the artistry of film: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tt7gP_IW-1w
To answer OP's question, modern art can be good and bad.
>>1127688
>letting people live how they want, keep their earned money, and not bombing kids in far away countries
> "HURR DUR DAS AUTISM!!11! RESPEK AUTORITA!!"
Look, I'm not extremely "educated" in modern art and for the most part I extremely dislike it for the various images that have been posted (i.e. the dude drugs lmao that were posted in the beginning, the pseudo-spiritual technocentric cancer like this>>1126103
, and just the random mixing of geometric shapes to create an incoherent and schizophrenic mess or just this god awful shit >>1126996
)
However I have seen a few that I've actually legitimately enjoyed like the following.
>>1130977
>>1131735
>>1131756
>>1131751
>>1131725
>>1130991
While I definitely enjoy the more "classical" side of art where pure technical skill was the main focus and not so much on variety. I can definitely appreciate some of the art that is being mad today. However most of it is just complete and utter garbage tbqh.
Do you guys know of anymore art like the ones I mentioned that I enjoyed? Any help would be appreciated.
I thought this was pretty kool
>>1142062
I don't really like metal but I didn't mind this album that much.
>>1142055
>Do you guys know of anymore art like the ones I mentioned that I enjoyed?
Futurism.
Although your opinions are pretty plebby
>>1127037
Easy shit.
Brecht creates distance and wants the actor and the role he plays to be seperate units, even for the audience.
Stani is all about immersion and actors becoming the figures they play. Method acting is based on his ideas
>>1128295
>This looks like a 15 year old wanna be artist painted it, symbol drawing, lack of depth, no sense of light and dark, doesn't read well at all
All of your complaints are pretty irrelevant. That's what lsd looks like
>>1141956
>not bombing kids in far away countries
Anon, when you say things like this it just makes people think your'e a naive 18 yr old faggot.
>>1122947
>Futurism
You beautiful mother fuckers.
>>1126942
What a beautiful work of art. Who is the artist?
>>1126768
Every blog and forum is autistic. Didn't you get the memo that "having an interest = autism"
>>1124745
benis in bagina :DDDDDD
>>1126561
dang that breddy gud
What do you folks think about Roger Scruton's view on Modern Art?
https://vimeo.com/128428182
>>1137229
but the difference between this over the top kitsch fest and sorolla is that his stuff actually reads well, there are so many highlights in this piece that you dont know where to look at if it wouldnt be obvious as fuck that the guy in the midde (cheap as fuck composition) is the "important" guy signified by the tragedy of being killed right the moment and his head being an LED.
if you look at this in thumbnail size you cant make out anything in sorolla's paintings its so clear what he wants to show even when its just 50x50 pxls wide
or take this hirschl for example, its really filled to the brim with characters but there is a clear hierarchy and the eye is led immediately to this figure of light and you slowly pick out detail after detail, in the rubens its just a complete overload of detail, like the horse for example, where its painfully obvious that every "person" in his painting was a rigorously studied and painstakingly developed copy (more or less) of a model and the horse just looks like shit because a horse doesnt pose this way, nor does it look like he showed us. the perspective is off because its just pastiche, the figures are all laid ontop of one another and they literally are, like he started with the guy upfront and then worked his way backwards.
look at the hirschl again, we have a very clear sense of whats going on without any action, here its just chaos for chaos sake, a forced sense of movement just to embue a sense of motion in the spectator but its shallow, its only for the looks because none of the people actually moved, they kept still for days, brought the exhaustion every single time, near the brink of unconsciousness
The rubens is tragic and the tragedy is actually sensible but you know whats the best part about it? The guy getting strangled under the horse, and I actually dont feel like it was inteded to be the highlight here.
>>1137232
velazquez is great indeed
>>1122942
your pic is but no there is a lot of good modern (and contemporary) art
>>1122947
futurism is rubbish
>>1122948
true
>>1122951
poor conceptualisation of modern art
>>1125269
lol
>>1125687
devoid of anything that makes academic art any good
>>1125954
there are a lot of 'art' photography series that are good
>>1125965
goya is overrated
>>1126103
top tier irony
>>1126253
shit painting. 19th c academicism is sterile, emotionless trash
>>1126561
this is good if it's a painting
>>1126664
lol yes
>>1126704
that just means someone's good at a craft. doesn't mean it's good art
>>1126876
farturism
>>1126902
good description
>>1126940
early modern art wasn't so abstract (nor did it want to be) and surrealism wasn't abstract at all, jsyk
>>1126981
anti-moderns tend to like 19th c photorealism and no other traditional art
>>1127184
this sucks
>>1127278
yep
>>1127583
cartoons are overrated as a medium right now. everyone's like "they don't have to be for children!"
>>1128295
this guy a shit. impressionism is overrated and is for art n00bs
>>1130772
if only more people posted like this
>>1131027
also true
>>1131258
>is
>>1132552
lol there is actually an argument to be made here
>>1134003
no idea what these terms mean in your context
>>1134225
it's not academic
>>1134508
read more art lit than one book son
>>1137229
you're right about the academy but not in what art 'should do'
>>1142055
>he likes futurism
>>1143750
a hack
>>1144948
such an uninteresting painting
>>1122947
Garbage
>>1122951
Agreed, it's all overwrought
>>1127017
my favorite form of modern art
>>1126832
"Pretentious" comes off as an attack, whatever you intend. You have to qualify it if you want it to be non-aggressive.
>>1122942
Anyone want to talk about sculpture?
Modern art includes movies. Don't forget that.
>>1146453
And all your favorite songs, videos, all your comic books and animays, all the memes
Just because the paintings are trying too hard doesn't mean art in general is dead, open your eyes
>>1146489
And of course the video games
(sorry for the triple samefag)
fauvism is pretty cool
>>1131825
kek
>>1122942
Bad and Good are descriptors that don't really apply to art. They appeal to an impulse to rank things, but not everything exists on a "bad/good" dichotomy or even a sliding scale between the two.
>>1131725
VERY fast dog running at incredible hihg speed
>>1146819
My brother from another mother. Fauvism is the shit.
Some modern art is meaningful...
>M0nK3Y wants two banana's for this post.
>>1122942
I like pixel art. It's like what poetry is to language.
the original pixel art on a 16x16 tile was impressive in its day, because it conveyed a sense of rhyme and rhythm. Video game artists were limited in that sense, because they couldn't go beyond a certain size, and they couldn't do too much that was beyond 16x16; most of it was repetitive tiling, and it made the game look good, because the tiles were seamless and didn't have that unattractive modern ambiguity that most hipsters put into their art.
>>1150862
While I don't agree that pixel art is better than regular art, I do think modern video game artists are spoiled with modern graphics hardware and could do a lot better with less.
>>1125438
Everyone says Belsinski had a fun touch to his works and I kind of have to agree. Can't put my finger on it
>>1126822
Too detailed
