Who was objectively the best US president and why was it Andrew Jackson?
>>1121625
-Lincoln Tier-
Lincoln
-GOD TIER-
Jackson
Roosevelt (I Fight Bears)
Roosevelt (Horny Cripple)
Jefferson
Washington
POWER GAP
-Meh Tier-
Everyone else
-A monkey throwing shit tier-
Carter
The Dubya
Harrison (B.)
-Zimbabwe trier-
Regan
Nixon
Bush junior
ETERNAL GOAT, TRUST BUSTER, CONSERVATIONALIST, INTERVENTIONIST: TR
>POWER GAP
2. Jefferson
3. Jackson
4. Lincoln
5. FDR
6. Washington
7. Polk
8. Adams
9. Truman
10. Wilson
> POWER GAP
11. Kennedy
12. Monroe
13. Madison
14. Lyndon "Big" Johnson
15. John Quincy Adams
16a. Bill "Surplus" Clinton
16b. Bill "Stroke Shaft, Presidential Nutsack" Clinton
16c. Bill "Bomb em" Clinton
17. Van Buren
18. H to the Dub
19. Hoover
20. Coolidge
21. Carter
> POWER GAP
22 - onwards: irrelevant
>POWER GAP
9040. James "I accidentally the union" Buchanan
9041. Andrew "JUST" Johnson
9042. Ronald "we promise, the wealth will trickle down" Reagan
9043. Richard "Edgelord" Nixon
9044. George Dubya Bush
> POWER GAP
9000000044. George "I accidentally the economy" Bush
>POWER GAP
900000000000000000044. George "I accidentally the entire nation" Bush
You rang?
>>1121705
Shit list
>ctrl f polk
>1 match
What the fuck is wrong with you people
>>1121730
I approve of this list.
GREAT
Washington
Lincoln
DECENT
Jefferson
Eisenhower
T. Roosevelt
MEH
Grant
Truman
Nixon
MEME SHIT
Reagan
JFK
FDR
LITERALLY WHO
Hayes
Van Buren
Fillmore
SHIT
Hoover
Harding
Bush
Obama
>JUST
Carter
>>1121730
>George HW 'you will literally never have someone as good at foreign policy as me in office again' Bush that low
Disgusting.
″Humanity has often wept over the fate of the aborigines of this country and philanthropy has long been busily employed in devising means to avert it, but its progress has never for a moment been arrested, and one by one have many powerful tribes disappeared from the earth. … But true philanthropy reconciles the mind to these vicissitudes as it does to the extinction of one generation to make room for another. ... Philanthropy could not wish to see this continent restored to the condition in which it was found by our forefathers. What good man would prefer a country covered with forests and ranged by a few thousand savages to our extensive Republic, studded with cities, towns, and prosperous farms, embellished with all the improvements which art can devise or industry execute, occupied by more than 12,000,000 happy people, and filled with all the blessings of liberty, civilization, and religion?″
tl;dr - Fuck Indians
>>1121778
I'd also call him one of the most genuine people in politics. That second grouping is all pretty close
>>1121730
Bush as the worst ever, really? Not a Bush fanboy but there are certainly worse candidates.
>>1121787
This is /his/ not /sf/
>>1121789
I'm sure that if the US miraculously comes back from debt and rebounds FP-wise he'll be viewed more favorably, but as it is right now he fucked up. You can say he inherited a lot of the issues but he completely dropped the ball on the economy, foreign policy, and how the US is perceived worldwide. A smarter leader could've at least negated some of those crises from overwhelming the US. The more I read about him the more obvious it is that he had no idea what the fuck he was doing -- especially in the middle east -- no matter how you justify it.
>>1121787
Trump is basically Andrew Jackson and FDR rolled into one.
>>1121814
Trump has never served in the military, he is not a man of letters and he is not an eloquent speaker. In short, he is nothing like either Andrew Jackson or Franklin Roosevelt.
>>1121814
>equating Trump to FDR
>>1121839
>like Jackson
- abrasive and aggressive
- oozes masculinity from every orifice
- racist undertones
- his own party hates him and he might end up destroying and outliving it
>like FDR
- comes from a rich and privileged background
- most other rich people absolutely hate him
- he's actually adored by the white working class
>>1121814
No, Trump is basically Franklin Pierce, Warren G Harding, and David Duke rolled into one.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/monkey-cage/wp/2015/02/16/new-ranking-of-u-s-presidents-puts-lincoln-1-obama-18-kennedy-judged-most-over-rated/
Just going to throw this in here.
Tl;dr
>Lincoln, Washington and FDR are the GOATS
>Buchanan is the worst
>Kennedy, Reagan and Jackson are overrated
>HW, Eisenhower and Truman are underrated
>Obama #18
>2/3 of scholars say FDR should be added to Rushmore
>>1121858
>racist undertones
How is any of Jackson's racism subdued? He was no more racist than the vast majority of white gentry in that era. He believed in white exceptionalism and their destiny to rule all the land of the continental United States.
>>1121858
>Their worst qualities
Oh, now I get it
>>1121868
>put a man on the moon
>overrated
LBJ detected.
Remind me again why Jefferson is a "good" president.
His crowning achievement was Napoleon selling him land.
>>1121867
Well memed. Trump is actually nothing like Duke, racists are only flocking to him because he's vaguely pro-white and doesn't buy into the politically correct shit. But he's no klansman or Hitler.
>>1121868
>WaPo
congratulations, you played yourself.
agree with most of that, but Jackson is rated pretty well IMO. the good, is REALLY good (fighting corruption and the banks, being the first president of the people, generally being a great leader), and the bad is just awful.
>>1121882
Commissioned the Louis and Clark expedition, providing valuable geographical and scientific information.
>>1121625
George Washington is the only President who is officially best and will remain there.
Everybody else is subjective.
>>1121882
He's the only US President to actually win a war against Muslim terrorists.
>>1121882
first, manifest destiny is hugely important the the states' success, so don't write it off.
besides being the most intelligent president, Jefferson's dedication to limited government became the essence of the USA. If every president followed Washington & Adams' precedent, then the US would be a lot like a worse version of Britain, or even worse, Canada. All of the founding fathers were brilliant. But Jefferson was surely the most American of them all.
>>1121882
Built the American navy and led the first successful American war abroad. Pretty much single handedly made us relevant on the global stage.
post underrated presidents
>>1121881
Kenneddy died in 63, man was put on the Moon in 69.
>>1121858
>Never in the military
>Dainty business job all his life
>Talks like he's waiting for a dick/pacifier to fly into his mouth at any moment
>Insecure as all holy hell
>Oozes masculinity from every orifice
>>1121992
Because he promised it'd be done within that decade. To say it wasn't JFK's design is just ridiculous. And that's not even getting to the little thing of him saving the world from nuclear annihilation during the Cuban Missile Crisis.
>>1122001
He's the manliest candidate I've seen all my lifetime.
>>1121987
>>1122008
Then you must be 7, because Joe Biden is the manliest candidate in recent years
>>1122031
Irish people are about as manly as a pink tutu.
>>1122008
>trump
>manly
nu-males, everyone.
John McCain is one of the manliest candidates we've ever had, lived through torture and refused preferential treatment. he jumped off a fucking plane as a missile was headed for it. he also fought against torture which I respect an extreme amount.
whatever, there's no point in arguing with Trumposters, this is just for the lurkers.
>>1121839
>not an eloquent speaker
Check out his AIPAC speech and his foreign policy speech, as well as this video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rksd80-FCAw
>>1121625
>Garfield
>>1122077
>get caught
>get tortured
>become a songbird because you can't handle the pain
Some man.
>>1122077
Wasn't he also directly responsible for the forrestral fire that killed dozens of sailors?
Not too manly using your daddy Admiralty to avoid jail time.
>>1121625
>Lincoln
>the union must survive at all costs
>Total war against the Confederates
>frees the slaves
>pushed a quick reconstruction and working with the southerners
>Historians jizz at his very name
>Johnson
>advocated the exact same thing
>Historians call him a racist monster
>>1121987
>>1122077
>>1122171
Picture of Big Daddy Cain being captured
>>1121625
Madison
>authored both the constitution and the bill of rights
>taught the British to fuck off once and for all
This thread is going to be filled with meme presidents though.
Any other answer is objectively wrong
>>1122191
That simply did not happen. What's your source?
>>1121625
Calvin Coolidge.
>>1122077
>he jumped off a fucking plane as a missile was headed for it
Ejection seats have existed since WW2.
>>1121882
Brought macaroni and cheese and the buffet to America.
>>1122077
You're arguing with cultists, honestly. They will never see errors in the cult leader's ways no matter what you say to them, and they will always assume you support another candidate.
It's like trying to reason with a brick wall.
>>1121931
>Built the American navy
Thought this was Adam's work during the Quasi-war.
>>1121924
>first, manifest destiny is hugely important the the states' success, so don't write it off.
My point was that he didn't really DO anything to bring about the Louisiana Purchase except sign on the dotted line (and he had doubts about being able to do even that). Like, if France successfully put down the Haitian Rebellion Napoleon never would have sold his new world holdings. The LP was pure happenstance.
Jefferson's main contributions to America seem to me, not his example as an executive, but his extra-presidential work. His many writings and his work in the Revolution.
>>1121625
James Monroe he delivered on all of his campaign promises
>>1121814
you misspelled Benito Mussolini
>>1121625
I think Grover Cleveland was a pretty cool guy
>>1122050
Don't fuck with ballerinas they have complete control over every whipcord toned muscle in their peak physically perfect bodies and feel no pain.
>>1123177
Anyone with the name Grover is going to be a cool guy
>>1123020
>>1121987
In this thread, at least
>>1123180
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O_zHJqqo9s
not technically a ballerina because he's a guy but this is and example and he isn't even one of the best dancers out there (in fact his technique is actually pretty awful but his athleticism is good for impressing plebs)
>>1123202
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqxHBfTqn1A
here's a video of him where his technique is slightly cleaner and with a girl who is awesome
>>1123227
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ca43Sru0Lh4
Here's another video of two guys who are also super good just messing around. Keep in mind that the studio is too small for them so they can't even go fully. This is them holding back
>>1121750
this
>>1121717
>Nixon
>Not God Tier
Admit it you just hate him because of Watergate.
>>1123244
Not who you're responding to but you have to admit it was pretty awful. Not so much because of what he actually did but because of the trust in the government it destroyed. Also, he did do some pretty awful stuff such as sabotaging the Paris Peace Talks so he could run on a platform of ending the war. I have to admit though he is still pretty underrated imo but Watergate is far from the worst thing he did.
Source: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/nixon-prolonged-vietnam-war-for-political-gainand-johnson-knew-about-it-newly-unclassified-tapes-suggest-3595441/?no-ist
>>1121705
>Harrison (B.)
Never should've been president, he won it through literal fraud. And not in some kind of screwy nebulous fraud like Dubya but straight up "people/ballots brought in from out of state and the like in order to tip New York and Indiana to Harrison".
Really a shame that Garfield was killed. After a rough beginning he was starting to pull things together, develop a vision, asserting himself against people like Conkling and the nation really seemed to love him. Then Guiteau went and ruined it.
Smart guy with good instincts, was able to pick up on things quick, great logistically (he did a great job of getting things running smoothly in the Appropriations Committee while cutting wasteful government spending), very much favored the idea of an educated electorate and especially wanted to educate blacks to keep them from living lives of "peasantry". Could've been a great president.
>>1121625
> All those shit-tier presidents from Jackson to T. Roosevelt, other than Lincoln
What went wrong?
>>1122026
Don't know if you're joking or not but if you haven't read Peskin's biography. It'll give you a great appreciation for him.
Remember friends, no matter how bad a president is they can't be any worse than Buchanan.
>>1121625
What is the big appeal of Jackson? I sorta just get annoyed with him the more I read about him, and the more I'm just not seeing the appeal. He stands to me as a person I wouldn't particularly like to be around, but didn't make up with extreme panache or skill or accomplishments in office.
He was brought in office because people wanted a fiery striking rebel in office. He has made huge off the wall gambles his whole career and they usually paid off so the people wanted some of that.
But in office he was surprisingly even keel on most things and the more extreme things he's done such as the infamous "trail of tears" seem like outliers. He just seems pretty good. But I don't see anything that makes me go wow, this is a stellar president.
Him making sure the states couldn't nullify the constitution was a good move and changed the course of the USA. But its not something any other president wouldn't have done.
I prefer his out-of-office life desu.
>>1123310
> Google Buchanan
> Secession is illegal, but that going to war to stop secession is also illegal
Haha, oh wow
Taft. No doubt about it
>Mr President, the French are attacking!
>*sends picture of how big Taft is to blockade coast*
>France surrenders like always
My rankings
1. Teddy
2. Washington
3. Lincoln
4. Eisenhower
5. FDR
6. Kennedy
7. Polk
8. Jefferson
9. Jackson
10. Coolidge
>>1123430
Out of curiosity, what is so popular about Washington? I've never felt as strongly towards him as other presidents like the Roosevelts
>>1123491
I guess it's the mythology around him that always made me interested in him. The whole demigod-like aura that historians give him is oddly mesmerizing.
>>1123310
I'd consider Pierce worse. The country was fucked at that point and Buchanan just watched it all burn. Pierce was a guy who was way out of his league, didn't have the mental fortitude needed to be President in that time period due to his alcoholism/having to watch his son get crushed to death,
>>1123491
Everybody loves a Cincinnatus.
Honestly he set a lot of precedents that prevented the nation from going to shit, in a period where it could have easily gone to shit.
>>1123580
Yeah, Washington is one of the main reasons the US did not turn out like every nation in South America.
>>1123491
A combination of not knowing a whole lot about his personal life and his larger-than-life feats as a war hero and leader. As a president he mostly just followed the lead of others in his cabinet and wasn't as dynamic as he could have been. What people up to in awe is his humility and nobility despite being given the reins of power, all but crowned king of a new nation. And he humbly steps aside.
You have that, and then you look at his diaries and he's so taciturn you get scarcely more of his personality from them than historical records. It turns him into this living myth, a person we know was real but whose humanity is obscured by his legendary accomplishments.
>>1125211
I haven't read it myself, but Ron Chernow wrote a Washington biography a few years back that won the Pulitzer prize.
>>1121625
Trump
>>1121625
>Andrew Jackson
>best anything
>>1121625
>DELIBRATELY disobeying the Supreme Law of the Land by disregarding the Supreme Court's decision to let the Natives have their land
>More executive orders than any other modern day president
>His economic policies caused a recession greater than the 2008 one
>good
INTO THE TRASH JACKSON GOES
>>1121730
>LBJ not bottom
>Eisenhower not higher
>Hoover that high
Shit list
>any POTUS before FDR is relevant to today's world
Post-WWII POTUS Power Rankings:
1. Clinton
2. Ike
3. Truman
4. Obama
5. Nixon
6. Carter
7. Reagan
8. JFK
9. Bush I
10. Ford
9001. LBJ
900000001. Bush II
>>1123317
>survived an assassination attempt against all odds
>coined the icon of the democratic party
>killed the indians
>killed the banks
what more do you want?
>>1125555
>Obama and Carter that high
>Reagan in the top 10
You sure are a complicate person
>>1125597
Post-WWII bruh. Carter was way ahead of his time, he shouldn't be discounted for that.
It's hard to comprehend, but sometimes you need to judge the POTUS by what he didn't do.
>>1125607
So what did Carter not do that impress you so much?
>>1121625
TRUMP 2017-2025
>>1125555
>1. clinton
>4. obama
>Ike not number one
>nixon not 4th
>>1121625
Best:
Lincoln
Jefferson
Washington
Roosevelts
Absolute shit tier:
Reagan, Bushes, Nixon
>>1121812
"muh us debt" is a myth propagated by conservatives to attack social welfare.
>>1125889
>myth
http://www.usdebtclock.org/
>>1125892
I wasn't saying "the fact we have debt" is a myth you idiot.
>>1125894
So then what were you saying?
>>1125892
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Portal:Fix_the_Debt
>2016
>being caught up still in propaganda fronts by billionaires
that's so tea party of you
>>1125896
That the only people who think it's a serious problem were led to believe so by propaganda.
Anyone who goes "muh us debt" almost assuredly is a cryptoconservative who unironically gets news from right wing sources
>>1121625
How was Cripple Roosevelt president for 12 years?
>>1125896
Right now the interest rates are so low that our GDP is growing much faster than interests rates are pegged at. So overall we're making money on the debt or at least making things with it without not losing losing money.
>>1125902
>debt per taxpayer: 160,000 $
>not a serious problem
>>1125910
>citing dubious statistics with no nuance or detailed information
>treating national debt like household debt
>not even paying attention to who holds the debt
Exactly, anyone who goes off has no idea what's going on in even the slightest nuance, you just spout numbers as though that's somehow supposed to be a problem.
Read http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Portal:Fix_the_Debt
Read that shit, and side links. Billionaires simply want to cut away all social spending. They do it by finding the smallest soundbites and repeating it, soundbites exactly like the one you linked that in no way reflects what serious analysis would suggest is happening
>>1125922
Whether or not some greedy fat cat wants to manipulate the situation so he can pay less taxes doesn't meant there isn't a problem.
Or do you think debt being 96% of GDP is perfectly fine?
>>1125934
There are some long term issues but they're really insignificant and hysterical cutting of programs isn't warranted.
>Or do you think debt being 96% of GDP is perfectly fine?
Most corporations run 3-5 times more debt than they have in assets, the US has virtually no debt, 96% of GDP is pretty small.
>>1125947
Never said I was for cutting off social programs, I was just pointing out that we shouldn't just stick our heads in the sand
>>1125950
There's nothing to be alarmed about. Really the only problems involving the debt are so remote and unimportant that there's no reason to worry about it.
>>1123169
>>>/huffpo/
>>1125957
That is the thinking that originally got us straddled with this mess; leaving all of our problems with our children and their children is not a good idea
>>1123244
And the massively failed Drug War.
>>1121868
Pretty reasonable list, actually.
>>1122248
It was merely for strategic voting purposes, he did it to seize black votes.
>people thinking TR was good
Distinguish the character and the politics
He was a neocon, through and through. All of the shitty bush invasion methods were initially done by TR
>>1121750
This. Hands down the best.
Jackson gets a lot of shit, but balancing the budget and having the government making a profit is fucking great. And he killed the bank. He was like an edgy Ron Paul.
FDR was trash. Jefferson had excellent intentions, but he wasn't really good as a leader. Adams was probably the worst. Alien and Sedition Acts were the worst things in American history.
>>1123491
He was awesome because he intentionally did very little. He was president, but he didn't want to be a King and decide things with an iron fist. He kept it to two terms and tried not to intervene. He was great because he wanted the executive to only do what was wholly necessary, and he deemed it more important to not let the power get to his head.
>>1123491
When asked by an English visitor if America would have a King, Washington allegedly responded,
"I did not fight George III to become George I."
As other anons have said, that's primarily why Washington is so popular. Not necessarily because of what he did, but what he didn't do.
