ITT: people who died just at the right time because they were going to fuck things up
>>1120978
Tamerlane was set to invade China actually. But he thankfully died.
Dunno if he'd be successful. Because if he did he'd be facing Yongle, who was a military genius in his own right and was actually wrecking the shit out of the Mongs.
>>1120995
To be fair Tamrlane fucked a lot of things up before dying.
>>1120978
What was he close to fucking up?
>>1121140
He was going to BTFO of Christianity and set Rome back on the proper path before he forget to wear his fucking armor.
>>1121153
Funny, so did Caesar.
>>1121169
"What are you going to do, stab me?" - Julius Caesar
>>1120995
Tamerlane was based and he would have won. Fucker killed 5% of the world's population and conquered a territory almost as big as Rome (at the time of Theodosius) completely single-handedly. And he did it without Subutai.
>>1121268
"What are you gonna do, throw us out a window"-anonymous Hasburg bureaucrats
>>1120995
He almost revived the Mongol Empire the absolute madman
>>1121284
And Yongle just destroyed the Mongols. In their own yard. Inner Mongolia was lost to the Mongols forever because of him.
Just because Dear old Yongles didn't act like a tremendous steppenigger and made mountains of heads doesn't mean he isn't a good general.
>>1120978
>be Julian
>forget to wear your armor
>christfag successors do literally everything he was afraid they would do and destroy all of europe's ancient traditions
>entire western empire falls to fucking pieces and east barely given a lease on life by bribing huns and krauts with all of its remaining wealth
>julian for last of the romans 363
julian was right
Only a man of his caliber could have ruled his empire. Maybe.
Or
Maybe he died too early and could have shaped his son into something tolerable.
>>1120978
But Ammianus Marcellinus makes clear just how awesome Julian was, although maybe a bit petty. Guy was a ten out of ten military emperor. He could have been the next Trajan.
>>1121333
Timur started as a son of a simple noble. He was highly intelligent, spoke at least three languages. Despite getting crippled in his youth (hence “Timur the Lame”), he became a military leader at the head of a small army. Through military and political acumen he distinguished himself and he ended up getting crowned in Balkh. And thus it begins.
He started his conquests by subjugating the area corresponding to modern-day Afghanistan, not the easiest place on earth to begin if you’re an aspiring conqueror. He followed this up by going into modern-day Iran, slaughtering every city that put up resistance and sparing the cities that surrendered, in the same vein as his hero Genghis. People who were of value were shipped off to his beloved Samarkand. He paused his Persian campaign to retreat to the gorgeous Georgian mountains, where he proclaimed Jihad against the infidel Christians and decimated them. He went back to Persia, killed some more and finished the job.
Afterwards Timur got into trouble with a guy called Tokhtamysh, a competent Mongol khan who burned down Moscow once. As you’d expect, Timur thoroughly beat him and burned down cities all over Russia. Have you ever wondered how the infamous Golden Horde who ruled massive parts of Russia met its demise? Timur.
He then decided to follow in Alexander's footsteps and move eastward towards the Indus river. Again, he thoroughly beat everyone he met, crossed the Indus river and marched on Delhi, thus outdoing Alexander the Great himself. There he faced war elephants for the first time, and like Scipio Africanus he conceived of a successful strategy to defeat them. He succeeded and sacked Delhi, something Genghis and his sons (and grandsons) failed to do. He celebrated this grand achievement by going back to the Caucasus and slaughtering some more infidel Armenians and Georgians.
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>>1121333
Timur followed this up by going to the Levant and sacking cities such as Damascus and Aleppo for vague religiously motivated reasons, thus outdoing even ISIS. Speaking of things ISIS failed to do, Timur then decided to capture Baghdad, where he ordered every single soldier of his to bring him 24 severed heads. Of course there weren’t enough heads to go around, so soldiers resorted to beheading everything in sight, including their own wives apparently.
Meanwhile in Anatolia, a dynasty you might have heard of were on a meteoric rise. The Ottoman emperor Bayezid I managed to get on Timur’s bad side because he apparently liked to talk trash through letters. Talk shit, get hit, and damn did Bayezid I get hit (picture related). Timur destroyed the Ottoman forces at Ankara and was the only one to capture an Ottoman Sultan in battle. Remnants of the Ottoman army were saved by the Genoese and Venetians, because they were scared shitless by Timur and would rather have the Ottomans as a buffer state between them and Timur. This pissed Timur off, but he consoled himself by BTFO’ing the Crusaders at Izmir, thus officially becoming a ghazi.
The Ming emperor, clearly not having heard what happened to Bayezid, also talked shit to Timur, which incited his wrath. Timur started his military campaign and set off in winter, which is the last thing he ever did. He died in modern-day Kazakhstan before reaching Ming territory.
5% of the world’s population killed. Over 4.4 million square kilometers of territory captured in give or take 40 years. Nigga please, what do you think would have happened?
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>>1121826
He was a Turkified Mongol from what I know. You could basically call him Turco-Mongol.
>>1121846
It's not like central asian turks and mongols are so different culturally. Specially in the middle ages. More to the west they have more persian influence and more to the east they have more chinese influence, that's the sole big difference.
>>1120978
OP here, forgot to mention pic unrelated
>>1120995
Tamerlane could take anything he could set his eyes on if he really tried.
>>1120978
Ogedai would have slapped the shit out of the rest of Eastern Europe, and been at least a major threat to Western Europe.
>inb4 muh forests and castles
The mongols would have impressed locals into their armies like they did every time they faced someone new, and fight Europeans the way Europeans fight. With the resources of the largest empire of all time behind that fist.
>>1122314
Kurultai system was fucked up and it literally saved two continents from the Mongol wrath
>>1121347
I think biopic of Julian the Apostate could go well if written correctly.
>>1122314
You're historically illiterate if you believe that the Mongols could have conquered Western Europe.
Nearly everytime they've fought someone on non flat ground they've been rekt
>>1120978
And by "fuck things up" I mean "fuck everybody who opposed him up".
>>1122398
>Muh forests and hills
>Muh pope and Western European unity
What is Afghanistan. What is Southern Song China. What is the Northern Jin. What is Korea. What is Turkey. What is Persia. What is Georgia.
This meme has been proven false every time. What was their limiting factor was lack of pastures to graze their horses and livestock, like what happened in Syria. The Mongols were extremely adaptable and they don't need flat ground to utilize their horses. Hit-and-run tactics are hardly their only tactics.
>>1121911
Actual OP here. Julian a shit, good thing he died when he died.
>>1121761
>5% of the world’s population killed. Over 4.4 million square kilometers of territory captured in give or take 40 years. Nigga please, what do you think would have happened?
>Usual opponents: petty muslim princedoms, tiny states, and the most formidable being the babby Ottoman Sultanate. Which at the time was small. Yeah, thanks for the tl;dr, but I knew what Timur did thank you very much and never had he fought an empire.
Aaaand this compares to Ming China. Solidly unified? At it's peak? Which just wrecked the people that fought similarly like Timur? In their own yard? Doubt.jpg.
>The Ming emperor, clearly not having heard what happened to Bayezid, also talked shit to Timur, which incited his wrath. Timur started his military campaign and set off in winter, which is the last thing he ever did. He died in modern-day Kazakhstan before reaching Ming territory.
More like the Ming's typical policy of "we're sick of Steppe Nomads and their shit." The early Ming emperors like Yongle had a tough stance towards Central Asians. Seeing as how they hated the shit out of the Yuan.
>>1121755
>>1121761
When you're from Uzbekistan and have seen his statue in Tashkent.
>>1120995
me on the right
>>1123765
you're a clueless fucker. timur fought and beat the ottomans, mamluks, mongols, the persian and indian kingdoms.
chinks would have been smashed like they always are
>>1121285
Fortunately, angels helped the righteous to survive the cowardly attack of the satanic bohemian peasants.
>>1124251
>ottomans, mamluks, mongols, the persian and indian kingdoms.
Precisely where I was at. There was no "Persia" at the time, seeing as how the Il-Khanate just fell and was replaced by warring Mongol Khans and Iranian princes, same goes for India.
His only serious opponents were the Ottomans who at this time was a small anatolian state. And the Mamluks...of whom he only attacked Syria and not their main power in the levant/egypt
Like I said: tiny states. Not Empires. If anything you're the clueless one here about the Ming.
